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I finally lose it at anime fans @ 31:11
Been holding this for a while..
REEEEEE
Nah but fr you spit facts. Zoomers punching the air rn
My only guess is that it is "Monkey Brain". They want dopamine injected into their brains.
@@Jason-to5cs pretty sure they are zoomers as well
Technically yes, but I think the point still stands
@@nnightkingj zoomers can criticize their generation too as well as other gens. It's been done since the dawn of humanity, probably. It's how it starts to for things to potentially get better. Otherwise culture and behaviour would remain static all the damn time.
I don't think I've ever watched anything so cathartic as this episode of Vinland Saga. The entire episode left me emotional, but happy and hopeful too. Absolutely amazing and beautiful stuff this show is.
I love it thr king is ok his simle is sweet
@Saurav Raj Catharsis is a type of relaxed that usually implies you were previously very tense or stressed. It's like a relaxing payoff.
Shit's therapeutic af
Cathartic is the perfect word. There's so many great anime out there, but Vinland Saga is cathartic. It just pulls you into the characters' despair and misery, but then the payoff makes all that worth it.
Season 1, episode 1 titled "Somewhere no here"
Pater in Season 2, Ep 23 "Someplace that is not here."
Coming full circle.
In Japanese version, they are exact same words: "ここではないどこか"
thats one of the best things about this show. everything always comes full circle. one of my favorite moments is arnheids death, and how it perfectly mirrors thors with the slave in episode 1.
We had so many great call-backs to the beginning of the season and the beginning of S1, I loved it.
Thorkell: where will you go? you don't know anything except fighting
Thors: somewhere not here
Canute: where will you go to escape war?
Thorfinn: somewhere other than here
The recontexualization of the viking passage that was at the beginning of the season at the end of this episode really got to me and gave me chills. Extremely clever writing, I love this show so much
recontexualization, idk i thought my eng is very good
@@raghavkhulbe4493 many natives don't know that word you gotta read literary analysis to encounter it usually.
@@peterstedman6140 well im not a native, im an Indian
@@peterstedman6140It’s a large word, but I wouldn’t call it complex. It’s very simple to piece together. Re-contextual-ization, “the act of changing the meaning of”.
“So a story about Vikings is capable of producing an episode like you. You are a beautiful episode.” - my thoughts when watching this today. Just in awe of how that wrapped up.
same with naruto .
Story of shinobis , and there's one shinobi who can talk about peace into the enemies via words. beautiful
This is, indisputably, the best MAPPA adaptation :")
Emotional Damage Saga
That's the most accurate alt title tbh.
In my opinion mappa does not deserve the credit, the staff that carried over deserves the credit. It's just published under Mappa's name but it's the same people from season 1 working on it. Not to mention Mappa treats its animators horribly
@@irecordwithaphone1856 yeah u can see it on jjk right now. Lets hope they take their time like 2 or 3 years to make vinland s3. I rather wait for a few years and have a great adaption like this instead of rushing it and treating animators like they are doing rn.
Bro Thorgill showed up expecting a shonen but turned out it's a seinen syke
😂😂😂
Thorgil was literally everyone who dropped this show. 😂
Thorkell too
@@AidanS99 god dammit he was wasn´t it😂
I felt absolute chills when the choir started playing and overall the music this episode was so satisfying this felt like the season finale such a wonderful episode and reaction.
So nice too good man
One more episode to go
Incredible episode. They really did the most with this adaptation. I hope we get a s3!
100% getting s3. This story has just begun. S3 and on will continue the peak
@@maskarcade sure hope so! I heard it was difficult to get s2.
@Jason-to5cs yeah having to switch studios probably made it a little tough. And this is def a 180 from s1,but I think once they see how popular it still is, we should get it. Fingers crossed bc after this arc, it just keeps getting better and better
@@maskarcade they already confirmed we are getting a season 3 in a past interview
@@jadenxii from what ive seen, nothing has been confirmed. but in the trailer a few weeks ago, we saw thorfinn with short hair and im not sure if thats next episode. im sure itll get renewed though.
I'm so happy there are people like you two that truly appreciate Vinland Saga. I'm a manga reader and it was heartbreaking to see people drop the series when it got to the farm when as you see this is where it gets REALLY good. It's so satisfying to see this arc given a fantastic adaption and to see people truly embrace it.
This really lives up to the hype. Part of me is actually happy I waited on reading the manga until I finish the anime
season 2 is a kid filter. it seperates the ones who really wants to learn a lesson.
Dude I dropped it after 5 eps,then becoz of reels I came to watch it again.Nowmy perspective towards the world is changed😢,what a peak writing.👏🏽👏🏽
Masterful adaptation that moved me to tears. I can't form the words to convey how incredible this episode was. Sometimes, certain things can only truly be understood in the mind and heart.
They are good mans ❤😢
Something the anime didn't mention. Olmar become the next master of the farm after Ketil became so depressed when he realised he lost Arnheid and wasn't able to manage the farm and Olmar sold half of the farm. I really like that detail.
Little detail: When Thorfinn wakes up in the shed this episode u can see he wakes up peacefully rather than from having a nightmare like he always does
Why Canute left. Canute realized that Thorfinn has the same aspiration - to bring salvation to the people who were abandoned by god. Thorfinn is taking the alternate path, one that will plug the holes in his own grand scheme of things. Canute was using violence only because he thought it was unavoidable to create the greater good. Now that he understood and appreciated what Thorfinn will do, he treats him like an ally. An ally who also builds paradise on earth and against the wishes of god. That was why he said this was the hardest negotiation that he had.
Vinland Saga is genuinely one of the best stories ever! The fact that Thorfinn complimented Olmar in finding his resolve that much faster than him... Just wow!
The feels I got from this episode were just amazing. Seeing just how much of a positive impact Thorfinn made on everyone he met on the farm from Olmar, Snake, Old Master, Pater and even on Canute, it's no wonder they all think of him as a one of a kind incredible man. The scene of Thorfinn and Einar by Arnheid's grave is one of the best scenes I've ever witnessed in any show given the deep context behind it. Also that special poem at the end of the episode was just beautiful. Perfect way to wrap up the farmland arc for every character we saw in S2.
I love how thorfinn said he'll run to where there's no war. If i recall correctly, Leif in S1 told a story to thorfinn, of how the Norsemen fled to iceland to avoid war. Thors was also another man who fled war for his family
I've just watched this masterpiece. I'm a 32 year grown ass man. I've been watching anime since I've been a todler as my mom loved Dragon Ball, Candy Candy, Heidi. So I've seen everything.
It's been a decade or more since I started to watch less and less anime until a point where I only watch one or two new releases per year. And some years I don't if I think nothing its "worthy". I used to consume more indiscriminatelly but I also love other media like cinema and literature. If ones reads tons of books, watches tons of films and TV shows, at some point your tastebuds just gets more refined, which I'm aware sounds elitistic but its the damn truth.
And at level its difficult to watch most anime. Anime hasn't never been about quality to be honest. But as the industry has grown and as we live in the "algorithm era" the industry has been outputing TONS of garbage. Miyazaki once criticized the very worrisome trend of new authors of the industry to create based on the parody and self-referencing without living too much in the real world. And I've noticing this too and it coincides with the decadence of the content produced.
I won't delve too much into this as this is not the place. But I'm glad Vinland exists. As I loved that Heike Monogatari and Ousama Ranking in 2021 were released. And Keep Your Hands Off Eizouken in 2020. And I'm really grateful for the little gems that still gets green-lit nowadays. Very risky business wise, it's all done for the love of art honestly and fewer studios remain like that. They are eveything right now. Like a single candle in the middle of a winterstorm.
I was very critical of the attitudes and consumer behaviour of my generation, but I've only seen the same trends get worse with Gen Z, and I suppose its gonna be aggravated as time goes on. Bigger boobs, more stupid waifus, lots of epic senseless braindead fights for the sake of empty epicness, zero regard for consistency and internal logic withing the script. Isekais, harems and waifus everywhere. Asshole Creepy Main characters with weird ass conceptions about how the world and people work because the authors are the same way too, which is a sad state of affairs in Japan.
Well I'll stop myself from screaming at the clouds. But damn I still watch new anime for works like Vinland.
Flashy stuff like Kimetsu no Yaiba or Jujutsu Kaisen its just to pass the time. They are good entertainment but it's something I'll forget eventually while this story I will not. The former is the type of anime that serves as the perfect example of lost potential.
Anyways, this is the best anime reaction channel from what I know.
Sverkel is one of those lovable grumpy old people that everyone thinks and accepts is gonna die any day... and then stays the same for an extra 20 years
you guys are 100% the best reactors to this show. Truly the only ones that see it the way I do and even as a reaction channel its greatness makes you silently watch. TRULY, WHAT AN AMAMZING PIECE OF ART. It has changed my perspective on life truly, and I think it will change millions of peoples' hearts.
From: running away is lame my ancestors never did that
to: as long as there is a place to run I will run, I won’t fight
In all honesty, this season may top AoT S3 Part 2 for me. I have never seen so much peak packed into 24 episodes in my life
Vinland Saga is better than aot. Literally all 47 episodes have been top tier
@@dot98 I'd put AoT S3 Part 2 and S4 Part 2 over Vinland Saga Season 1. That's just me though
@@dot98 aot is way better my guy
This season in terms of writing quality matches or beats any season of aot currently (in some cases narrowly, but I’d still give this season the edge) but if we’re talking other factors of an adaptation, most notably animation, I’d put season 1 of AOT above this.
They’re close for sure though
The difference will be more apartment in future season of this. If it goes to 4 or 5 seasons, we’ll have a better comparison.
@@aarontsafack16 I prefer Vinland but if you like Aot more
then there's no problem with that
Vinland Saga really might the Greatest Anime of all Time when its all said and done
Exactly! I think the same✊🤜🤛🤝
I wish I didn't read the manga. I wish I experienced this with you all. This is something else, with the music and voice acting and directing, and everything... Holy shit man
I'm happy I read the manga. I love seeing all things being adapted into the anime, and there are points I preffer more in the manga but both of them are good.
even knowing the plot, it still hits so damn hard since they breathe new life into the pages with the anime / voice acting / OST
I know. Even knowing the manga, it still hits so damn hard. Also, the anticipation of what each episode will bring next is part of the fun. But man, I always visualize myself in an alternate timeline consuming this in anime form blind. I felt like that would be a very different experience
Im glad i read the manga before the anime. I preferred it more. Remember reading it all in one sitting.
@@melonmusk8924 without spoiling are we done with Canute's story here?
I completely agree with you, Carson. I'm a manga reader who started reading after I watched season 1 and I KNEW that this season is what would separate the kids from the adults. And I'm actually ok with it, because every reaction that I've watched that had people who genuinely appreciated this story and it's themes has had the most deep and interesting pre and post-discussions I've ever come across since I started watching reactions during the pandemic.
I love me some fast-paced action sequences, but if I had to choose between that and this high-level character writing... it's an INCREDIBLY easy choice. So excited for next week's episode!!
The elitist view from most of the people who enjoy the season without complaint is tiring already. Just because someone doesn't like something that you do doesn't make them children, in fact you guys love to talk about how mature you are but then immediately resort to insults when talking about anyone who dislikes the show. Really showing how "grown up" you fans are.
There are indeed 24 episodes to season 2 so one more episode to go and the season is over. It's making me sad to think we won't be able to get the rest of this story for a while but given this kind of quality, I'm happy to wait for a couple of years for a third season.
My heart quivered when Snake told Thorfinn his real name. Keeping in mind why Snake and his troops used pseudonyms, it's more than heartwarming that he chose to show such incredible trust and respect to this one man.
This was undoubtedly Mappa's best season of anime so far.....this episode was so good and so motivational.... I felt good when watching...like Canute felt
The start of the Season: Carve Hate into your flesh, Carve Hate into the land, Carve Hate into your spoils, Carve Hate into your enemies
The end of the Season: Carve Love into your flesh, Carve Love into the land, Carve Love into your spoils, Carve Love into your enemies.
Truly peak anime this season
18:40 - I'm gonna need that same energy when Isagi says the Blue Lock is the friends we made along the way before declaring war on the world cup
Chad Thorfinn VS Virgin Eren
stop comparing Thorfinn with eren bruh. Erens a literal joke 😂 eren is on the same level as the dude from rent a girlfriend
This is one of the best anime you can watch in your otaku life. Is just amaizing. The manga is also a must read. 🔥👏
My favorite part is that poem it’s said at the beginning of the season and now it has a new beautiful meaning
Great story is very needed in today's day and age. People are too quick to resort to violence or conflict to resolve problems. Often, the solution is simpler and easier, but people are too proud to consider alternatives. I don't think I can think of a better anime in the last few years. Granted, I haven't watched everything that is out there, but at least from what I've seen, this was the best.
Don't you just feel so damn proud of our boy thorfin!
I didn't think I'd ever feel this happy about a fictional character as I did with thorfin, I just want to hug him and tell him how much everyone' proud of him.
In the manga, they show Canute's face before he bursts out laughing and he looks very agitated.
The expressions were more defined and you see a lot more of Canute's old, immature expressions from season 1.
I think the anime elevated these chapters to a whole other level, but I wish we got to see more of that because it's a reminder that the old Canute is still in there.
I forgot it too when I first saw this because of how hard it hit, but if you watch the season again, it opens with the bible quote of "carve it". Its the perfect end cap for what they set up at the first moments of the season. These last few episodes are the most powerful moments in anime since the Berserk Eclipse back in the 90s. And this probably surpasses it because of how its ties 2 seasons of pain together to something truly hopeful.
I really loved the carve it poem cause the first time we heard it they were making Swords to fight the war so it was about killing
But now its about farming and making life
I mean Canute's still going to do this kind of stuff, just not as much, and he'll handle it better and find cleaner ways to do it. People will die, and suffer, unjustly or not. The England army thing was just his current problem because he needed much more money going forward and didn't want a bunch of tax raises, no standing force in England frees up a lot of that to put towards other things, like taking over more of the North Sea, and gathering more people under him, this isn't some happy love ending, he's got his plan and it's still happening, he just wants to make it mesh with Thorfinn's a little better out of respect for someone who feels the way he does.
This episode was so masterfully done. I love it. I'm a manga reader (read 200 chapters) and i can say that Mappa took some creative liberties into really carving the story that fits into a cinematic experience.
For example, they removed the part in the manga that shows thorfinn's face all swolen up. It was hilarious to see him talking to Olmar and Snake like that. Maybe they did that because that comedic scene wouldn't fit the dramatic tone of the episode. They also added that scene of thorfinn walking up the mountain. Pater's monlogue was also never part of the manga (but i like it). They also removed some lines in the manga which reveals Ketil missing Arnheid, and the guests complain why they had to work from now on. Thorgil's departure was also not explained. In the manga it was said he left the farm and was never seen again. Over-all despite all these changes and additional scenes, I love the episode. Truely peakland saga.
Honestly idk if I can wait for season 3, this episode was so good I rlly wanna start reading the manga now
it really is insane that some people dropped it early on bc of the lack of action, just insane
Episode was amazing, and your reaction was perfect as well haha, I've never seen you guys so quiet and focused, guess this is what PEAK causes
I was moved to tears by Olmar's arc
when i watched 31:11 of the video, i was satisfied and happy that someone finally said this, since i have seen reactions of clannad afterstory on this channel, i knew y'all had some really good taste. thank you for that rant , it was much needed.
When i watched this episode, it feels like an hour long. It’s so satisfying but you wouldn’t complain watching all day it feels like looking forward to something genuinely for the first time
Canute wasn't really inspired by Thorfinn though. ? They simply met halfway. Canute is not abandoning his ways. The methods keeps the same. What happened now was that it seems there are more ways to reach peace, so he is gonna work together with Thorfinn, each in their own way and methods. Two different paths that reach the same place. Thats the name of the episode. Canute is not gonna become the ultimate pacifist like Thorffin. As he said, he gained an ally.
And Canute never oppressed the english people either...Come one guys you are better then that.
seriously lmao. vinland saga really is peak but it isn't for the reasons they think it is.
He was inspired (influenced) by him enough to not be as extreme as he previously intended to be with taking over the farms.
@@raec5426 he wasn't really inspired per say unless you're talking about the part where he acknowledges how someone like thorfinn was born from vikingkind, but that wasn't what factored into canute's decision to leave the farm. Vinland saga isn't a romance lmao he left because their goals aligned and them working towards their goal together worked perfectly with canute's desire to gain power as peacefully as possible.
@Deadsec Thorfinn influenced Canute's decision making when Thorfinn really didn't convince him much through any arguments to change plans. Thorfinn was literally on the way out and Canute kept seeking interaction because he was interested enough to hear from Thorfinn instead of him just leaving.
He was inspired to some degree because Thorfinn gave him more hope as how he turned out despite viking lifestyle. Doesn't mean he changed his whole ideals but he eased up on the intensity of some of his methods (not being so paranoid about having so much control). Then he gained more respect by people as a leader instead of just ruling as much with fear tactics (like his father suggested).
Thorfinn was a light to him against the darkness of his father, as it is supported visually too in the episode. Not sure why you brought up romance to begin with though. lol
"what if I just dont oppress people?"
All the world leaders: >:(
31:11 this part was so good . I like it , you just said all I want to say man. I do agree with you and thanks a lot.
While other shows are exciting and have great characters and stories, Vinland really gets to a deeper core of humanity and can change a life or mindset. Those shows make an impact to wider audiences but I feel like Vinland makes such an impact to individual levels.
That's the other option beside taking the farms wealth, disbanded some of his soldiers thus reduce the English people tax
兄弟 って言葉の重みが正に本物だね。
この瞬間、みんなが一番反応してるよね。
It baffles me that some people rather wanna watch below mid like Hells Paradise over this greatness
This season sucked and was boring, get over it
@@nbanker You need better taste
Wasn't really inspired he gained new allies aka he got help from Einar and thorfinn so he didn't need to be so cold anymore
Canute really felt like the only option he had was the one he was doing (influence by his fathers teachings lets remember that). Thorfinn really gave him a new hope
He feels good for the first time in this whole season.
This show really know how to hit me
i love how your expressions changed at the same time at 13:09 😭😭😭😭😭😭
I don’t like using the word peak, but man do I love this show. It’s strange watching shonen battle and action shows now, for sure.
I've been saying for years that my favorite scene in VS is a handshake, and now anime only viewers understand why 😂
14:35 that little look melted my heart
I believe absurdism is the essence of the show. The dream of Vinland and Thorfinn's pacifism seems absurd, and that's the point.
Human without any choice is thrown into an absurd situation called life. Instead of suicide, Camus argue that the correct way is to embrace and admit the absurd, but then rebel against it. Einar lost his family, his freedom. He was a slave. Living seems pointless, yet he hold his mother advice in his heart and continue on living. The best revenge against a hopeless life is to live with hope.
What I like about the show is that sometimes, the character seems to talk to us. When arnheid dies, she didn't only ask Thorfinn if there is a place without war, but to us in the future. Can we promise a place where there is no war? Thorfinn's ideal and the dream of vinland seems absurd, yet the author is telling us to seek it.
I see a lot of absurdist theme in Vinland Saga and when I discuss in reddit, I realize even Thorfinn's ideal is similar to Camus radical pacifism
"We'll call it Arnheidica" AKSHUALEE!!!!!!! 😁
Truly full of goosebumps this episode
Indeed peak emerges.
In a film known as Crimson tide, the protagonist Vice commander Hunter mentioned about war like this,
"A true war are not coming from political matter, but it's coming from the fear and untrusting each other."
Canute disbanded his stationed troops, then the fear and untrusting were lifted from the people of England.
Most kings will never consider this bold move because every kings fear to get stabbed from behind to end his reign instantly.
35:00 I STRONGLY AGREE WITH U
I think the promise at the grave happened before the talk with canute in the manga. Thorfinns face was comically swollen after the punching. It wouldn't have been appropriate for this scene since they did it later here.
I WAS WAITING FOR THIS. Bro.. I cried so much and it just didn't stop...
Thorfinn's face swelled up like a balloon in the manga. |:
your sister is supportive to you that's nice to see .
There are definitely a few battle shonen that I like more than Vinland Saga, but most of the critiques were straight up AOT campfire episode level petty lmao
I want nothing more in vinland saga than what it has to offer. Ive never watched anything more moving and philosophical.
15:17 this man's body experienced physical rest for the first time and was like: "holy shit, maybe I should live a little longer, it feels nice"
Brother come with me😭. Why did I cry at that scene
I'm going to cry next week when I know the seasons over 😭 I really hope season 3 comes sooner than later but it's probably gonna be another 3 years or so,
My biggest complaint is that stuff feels alot more spelled out in the anime and less implied. Several episodes back in the anime Thorfinn flat out tells Leif that hes proud of his ancestors for running away from war. Meanwhile Thorfinn never says that to Leif in the manga. So it was very satisfying to go back to those first couple episodes and realize the parallel between Thorfinn saying he will run and how he reacted to Leif telling him about how his ancestors ran from war is season 1.
Shows his development perfectly, without holding the readers hand IMO.
I think for most people who watch anime don’t really take it so seriously or care about every detail all the time. For me all care about is if a series can hook me/ I can get invested into characters, story, or world, if that happens most of the time I will like/love a series. As long the ending is not god awful. And 90 percent of the time I use “peak” just casual and not taking seriously it’s just hype level for me personally but when it’s genuine awesome I then mean it. Getting arguments into anime takes fun out of watching a show for me just let me enjoy what I like. But yeah Vinland saga has been amazing
"Ernest Hemingway once wrote, "The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part" - Quoted from Seven.
I'm not trying to be rude i just find it weird so i wanted to say it
He did say that but in the end he killed himself how sad is that
What a top tier episode to wrap up this arc. Am I the only one who thinks this would've been a better ending to this season instead of next episode?? And not just that, next epsiode could work perfectly as a start of a new season
I would say this is a 10/10 season but its only better than season 3 part 2 of AOT
Carve good things everyone. It's a good night. Love all of you fuckers.
AMAZING SERIES
13:31 little does he know....
Really good adaptation I'd give it a 9/10 and this arc in the manga an 11/10
I'm voting for Vinland Saga season 2 to win anime of the year. It should have won in 2019. I hope it doesn't get robbed again. Unfortunatly popularity wins and not what's actually the best but if Cyberpunk won last anime awards beating AOT and Demon Slayer then I have hope Vinland Saga can pull through. This is year we had a lot of good shows. Oshino ko is also in the running but it's not quite there yet to win Anime of the year. Most of the peak stuff will happen in future seasons I'm sure it will win then. It definitly will win in one of the future Years but this year has got to be Vinland Saga's year. If a story so well written, beautful and emotionally impactful doesn't win that would be a crime. Demon Slayer this year was fun but it's not Anime of The Year material. It definity deserves best animation and best fight scene for sure. AOT won in 2021 deservingly but 1 movie in 2023 does not top a complete masterclass of a season by Vinland Saga. I hope people that only have watched popular anime like AOT, Demon Slayer, Oshi No Ko, My hero academia etc give Vinland Saga a chance and watch it. You got to be mature and patient to understand and appreciate how beautuful this story is. Don't be that type of person that wants action or something to happen every 5 minutes and can't sit through it to appreciate it's slow but steady beautiful journey. If you're that type of person then my only hope is that you will slowly change when you grow up in age because you're missing out on Peak fiction and storytelling by being a simple person like that and you will never evolve from that childish shell.
I’m guessing before watching season 2 he heard all the critiques from ppl saying this season was garbage. Then for him to wait until episode 23 to call them all Zoomers and completely go off on them shows how awesome this channel is. I’m stealing ‘zoomerism syndrome’ from him 😂😂😂. This is why I will be on their patreon.
in my opinion fights are good because 1] they look good 2] its a turning point in a story. While the 2nd season brought a lot of quality and things to think about it also used like 16 episodes for plot/character development which is in my opinion too many. When for a character such as askeladd 1 episode of a backstory is enough its hard to argue that 16/24 episodes of backstory is justified because it doesnt really move the story forward. I enjoyed this season a lot and its the only anime I watch this season but I can imagine getting more in those 24 episodes
I like this arc in the manga more than just about anything, but as far as on a recent anime basis, I prefer S1 of CSM, I was really surprised by how different that was.
I just noticed, she got different coloured eyes
31:11 LET HIM COOOOOOOOOOOK
'join me, brother' 🗿🤝🗿
My AOTY right there.
We are half way through the manga now
11:12 in the manga Thorfinn's face is swollen and he's speech is barely discernable during the farewell scene.
The score in this anime is much!
"Arnheidca"
Close.. 😅
"Money's no good where they're goin"
Well.....
Best anime season ever
Don’t just assume we like canute for nothing lmao.
I finished peakland saga In 2 days my god this anime is so good this is easily my anime of the season if you disagree with me that fine we have enemies here