Apple River stabbing trial: Miu's 'best friend' testifies
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- Опубликовано: 4 апр 2024
- Ernesto Torres Chaguez testified in the Apple River stabbing trial of Nicolae Miu.
Ernesto was tubing with the Miu group on July 30, 2022, and has known Miu for over 10 years, calling Miu his best friend. He considers Miu a handyman, noting he has used a pocket knife to fix things. He called Miu the day they went tubing to bring his pocket knife so they could cut the ropes that tie the tubes together once they got done tubing. Ernesto said he didn't have one, so he asked Miu to bring one because he knew he had one.
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GOOD GRIEF!! As an avid, life-long river runner, who often ran some river somewhere for up to 20 weekends a year for over 35 years so far, and did it in every craft imaginable from innertubes to 8-man rafts, and who owns 4 river tubes, 6 kayaks, and a small flat bottomed boat right now, I can tell you that serious river runners would NEVER go down a river without a knife. I have 4 river running life jackets right now that were made with a tab specifically for attaching a knife just like the one Mr. Miu possessed. CAN WE PLEASE GET OVER THE BENIGN FACT THAT HE WAS IN POSSESSION OF A RIVER KNIFE WHILE ON THE RIVER??
Having the knife is so irrelevant it's not funny! I don't know many who go out of doors with a knife, etc! It's what he chose to do with his knife that is the problem! He was the aggressor from start to finish!
As an EXPERIENCED river runner you would have a knife yes. He wasn’t an EXPERIENCED river runner. I’m a white water kayaker for thirty years. I’ve never seen a tourist on the river who needed a knife for any other purpose than lunch.
@@cboyd5568 The fact that he, me or any other man had a knife on a river is completely irrelevant. Men have knives. I have a knife in my pocket AT ALL TIMES.
@@ralphcantrell3214if you were being yelled at by two young women would you pull it out?
Difference is you didn't stab 5 kids with your "river knife" for getting slapped.
I know plenty of people who carry a pocket knife. Especially, if they are “outdoorsy”.
plenty of people dont use it for stabbing multiple people though :(
@@M4Nt4INAdumb comment
@M4Nt4INA not many people with pocket knife going outdoors get bully, punch and surrounded.
@@M4Nt4INA. Don’t defend those little sh!ts. It’s about time someone stand up to these teens thinking they own the world and the people in it.
When I go hiking I carry a pocket knife in my pocket
what is so special with carrying a pocketknive? almost everybody i know carries one everyday
You better be a handyman or dont use your EDC to defend yourself.
Although i can say ,once upon a time i was asked if i had any weapons.
I said no..
He pats me down, and says, whats this?
I said, my pocket knife!
To which, he said.
I just asked you if you had any weapons!
Then i said.
Thats not a weapon, as a boy scout ,it is the best tool in the world. I had a knife on me since i was 5 or 6 years old. As a matter of fact, i really told you the truth. Im not looking too use my knife on a anything living.....
Every mexican i know can speak english a little bit. But i know they understand english. And he is nick best friend. Working in that state for over a year. Niks attourney. Sounds really weird, talking to buddy like he is speaking to a five year old. And all the knife questions seemed rehearsed. That one question, were he answers and then remembers, and says," and he uses his knife to fix things,
Id say self defense. But he couldve gotten out of that, without having to gut them. But when you F' around, you always gonna find out. 100% of the time! Choices seem to hide ,or rather step aside once your mind is made. Its funny what happens to people in groups. Creepy is a better word. Yeah..
Sorry or thanks, you can only get one ,not both.
Love, is knowing better. 🤓🌑🌚🌒
I carried a pocket knife for many years and I know lots of dudes who still do.
@@AllRightsReservedNoSurndrI’m a mom, I carry multiple in my backpack in case I need one to get something off my kids in an emergency or something like that. What if I have to cut a seatbelt?. I cannot believe how uneducated some of you people are lol
@@rockstarofredondo
What? Your comment doesnt make any sense. Im not against carrying a knife,nor does my response ,i left to a differant comment..you might double check before you go head first.. very silly. Have a great day. What a lovely day.
@@rockstarofredondoneed to re read because the person you're tagging actually agrees with you
VILE old man stabs five people because he got his feelings hurt.
It is hard to believe not one person in snorkel guys group didn’t ask what was happening. That is not normal human behavior, especially amongst friends. There is always curiosity.
I would say it’s more common for people not to act, due to the bystander effect
I have to wonder if there was a language barrier amongst the party that day? This whole thing is just bizarre. Do Nic and ex wife speak Spanish?
@@passatdreammsomeone earlier said Nic speaks multiple languages
*I am of this opinion THEY DID KNOW SOMETHING WAS UP, but were afraid to ask or confirm.*
It all happened very fast
I'm so impressed with the coverage of this trial. Excellent.
Every handyman and tradesmen carry pocket knives
False
@@Beastmode42not false my friend and by friend I mean never my friend idiot 😂
@@Beastmode42😂😂😂😂😂
I never did and also he was not at work. I think this was premeditated and I think he didn't like young people partying like that. Where is the phantom phone he claimed he was looking for? Why did he hide the knife if it was just a pocket knife? It was also NOT a pocket knife. Now it's a murder weapon.
I can’t believe how many comments that are asking why he had a knife lmao
Who gave alcohol to under age kids... alcohol heavily influences negative, bullyish mentality. No alcohol, maybe no problems.🤔
they were college grads.....they were over 21
a dad of one of the original gang of six
@@tntcyclespdx640no they weren’t but kids drink : facts
@@tntcyclespdx640Hilarious! These “people” are not college material by any stretch of the imagination! These 17 year old “geniuses” will be lucky to get into a community college!
@@tntcyclespdx640 I seriously doubt they are college grads. Any of them
Nick had nobody on his side in all this. A fifty some year old all by himself. It's sad what happened
50 year old men post triple bypass surgery should know not to instigate with teenagers. The saddest part of this whole thing is that someone can wall fifty years on this earth and be this stupid.
He should have kept away and not start snything. He totally is not an old man. He knew he had a knife, all his fault. He rushed them kids first. He should have stayed away. He wasn't afraid at all.!!
@@BigNickEnerGI think in that moment Nic had a mid life crisis and realized that he was the creepy old man.
Adults on a river tubing and drinking is disturbing and add to that parents drinking on the river with minors and young adults. One family (busy body-family) had had issues on another river. I feel bad for Miu that he had to encounter these animals and he had every reason to fear for his safety. Rabid pack animals is how the teens were acting.
The male translator gets a C minus ……. Translators should always score an A, this is a court proceeding.
It's a state appointed translator.
@@fatee5069doesn’t matter who appointed although I believe your statement to be incorrect
Kangaroo Court.😢😢😢
I'm glad I am not the only one that noticed.
I agree
I saw the video on Reddit, it’s probably gone by now but the kids were acting like a bunch of chihuahuas hopped up on white claws.
Therefore, in order to revenge the teenagers’ ridicule, Mad-man Miu should have merely reported their under-age drunken behaviours to the police! ⚖️
maybe so, but the old man punched the blonde girl with the sunglasses and that's why they attacked him. He threw the first punch and then pulled out a knife so he's 100% guilty.
@@themartdog Absolutely - a monstrous, disproportionate and calculated act. The only slight (non-legal) ‘mitigation’ could be that he was drunk.
If he did say ‘something about little girls’, which I don’t disbelieve, he was probably irritated by being questioned about what he was doing in the shallows with a snorkel. Such a response would also be passive aggressive.
ruclips.net/video/UTUQy4vlsvU/видео.htmlsi=_vkUEl6M33F09J-R it’s on RUclips
@@themartdogyea that’s not how self defense works. He was surrounded by a group of drunk people who were getting increasingly offensive and belligerent. There also isn’t strong evidence she was even punched. She had no fucking clue what was going on and she walks up and joins in the ridicule and gets in the man’s face. The teens should have just let the man walk away, but they didn’t do that and it got their friend killed.
Some of these people attacking this man were in their twenties. Gangs are allowed to run wild in this country today and attack people. They started it. He was in the river looking for a cell phone that had been dropped. They came up and started calling him names and then attacked him . They were holding his head under water, punching and kicking him while screeching like the drunken mob they were. He has a right to defend himself.
Jawan and his “for the culture” comment shows the intention ! They wanted to jump that old white man for views
FACTS
You're wrong. The testimony and the frame-by-frame video corroborate the witnesses. He punched the blonde girl with the sunglasses first, that's what started the fight. He has no claim to self-defense, he's guilty.
lol gangs are allowed to run wild? WTF does that even mean? 😂
Drunk groups of teenagers being assholes isn’t a new phenomenon.
@@themartdogyes he does, he was being crowded by a mob of drunk people who were getting increasingly threatening. They were blocking his escape as well. He didn’t have to wait for them to throw the first punch and it’s still not even 100% confirmed he punched the woman. He most likely tried to aggressively push her to get her out of his fucking face.
He was trying to find his phone and the teenagers were obnoxious. It’s just a sad situation for everyone. Bless everyone and involved.
Obnoxious doesn't equal dying
@@KimVerhaaffno but putting thier hands on this man first opened the door and they swiftly discovered they cudnt handle the heat. Bet they won't do that dumb shit again 💯💯
@@KimVerhaaffthey were more than obnoxious. They got violent like some scene in Lord of the Flies. Aww, poor psychos got what they were looking for.
@@KimVerhaaff Until you start assaulting people and surround them with a large group of drunken, hostile, aggressive people. He didn't use the knife when they were being obnoxious. It was only after the drunken mob started assaulting him. You left that part out.
@KimVerhaaff you're a fool
I would love to hear some of the parents views of these thugs who want to bully and humiliate people who are minding there own business , like seriously , these kids think they are privileged, this man was knocked into the water and surround by 13 yobs , i would be terrified.
Privileged kids aren’t charged in the crime that they committed. The kids and mom assaulted Miu, kicked him, choked him, held him underneath the water. The mob got away with several crimes and because Miu defended himself he is charged.?He easily could have been drowned by these drunken thugs who always get away with the crap they start. The lovely kids harassed others on the River that day. Would Miu be charged if they stabbed him? Fighting isn’t fair.
I also would have been terrified.
Miu is guilty as sin. Lock him up and throw away the fucking key. He will be dodging a lot of things in prison.
I will tell you. My kids have the biggest hearts. They would never hurt a fly.
I think its unbelievable this man is on trial. I dont think he would be if this happened in Texas. It is so obvious this was self defense. Tragic but self defense.
I'm not an American citizen.. but you guys all are. I highly suggest that you take this to your legislature.. dear future president.. the laws in your country need to be changed. Those young adults who were drunk and high should be also held accountable.
No, that isn't justice, you people need to actually learn how to analyze cases like this and actually break down the evidence in this case the video, second by second. Mui ran after them grabbing their tubes grabbing near their legs. The teens had everyright to defend themselves. But you you people are so sick in the head, acting like this 50 year old man was defenseless, clearly the outcome says different. Stop blaming the teens who were minding their own business, and acting like a 50 year old man is some innocent child just playing in the water.
@@absolutelyfookinnobody2843they held up a phone to indicate to him that they had what he was looking for.... that is why he went to their tubes. Important part you missed 😅
@@abbyknapkinsbecause he’s a racist and assumed the black man stole the phone.
Nick was smiling because he was ready inflict deadly harm to the teenagers.
One man and a bunch of drunk kids ganging up and making fun of him yelling, punching him down in the water. Does seem fair. This is a weird unprofessional of questions
Nik went to help out his friend and was attacked by a drunken drugged frenzy. His reaction is warranted. I think he was in shock afterwards.
Nothing warrents disemboweling people, or stabbing a 120 pound woman. I believe he thought he was defending himself, but he went wayy too far.
He never thought he was in fear for his life. He didn’t like how a bunch of loud mouth teenagers talked to him and he wanted to teach them a lesson. He came back toward them and grabbed their tubes trying to flip it over. He didn’t have to go back towards them. He chose to be down there and was hoping for confrontation
He went to help out his friend that was over 200 feet away. Makes sense. "Looking for a phone" that fell over 200 feet away.. makes sense...
@@nicolewagner6549funny how it’s the women here who don’t understand self defense. Probably because you’ll have men rushing to your aid if something goes awry. For the rest of us men, there is the silent agreement even between strangers that things should be kept as mellow as possible because if things escalate, they can get violent, and if things get violent, people can die. So yeah, of course your opinion on self defense if flawed, because your idea of self defense is calling another man to come help you. They rest of us are on our own, so it’s best to keep things cordial.
@@randyjames4718 You forgot, the young guys keep asking him to leave them alone, to go away, but he’s a bully and felt the need to keep bothering them.
18:01 this is a mess! Whoever thought having two people to translate was a good idea. Should get fired!
The translation has a some inaccuracy, particularly at 13:29 where Ernesto’s final words to Nick were not “No, don’t go”. At 13:14, what Ernesto actually said to Nick was “forget about the phone”. While this may seem like a minor detail, the phrase “No, don’t go” conveys a strong command, whereas “forget about the phone” comes across as a casual suggestion.
Teens were high on drugs and alcohol, with lots of energy to spare, bullying got them quickly involved with verbal and physical. To me it was legitimate case of a self defense action driven by frustration, embarrassment and above all fear.
Man , all of his friends are very loyal to him
Exactly. The types of people you want in your life. It does say something about his character.
It says a lot about his character.
🫶🫶🫶
But they can’t speak English!
@@tammyslade1375 Who cares lowlife?
These lawyers are TRASH
Could not agree with you more! Both prosecutor & defense attorneys are idiots. They refuse to acknowledge and deal with the language barrier. They get po’d when there’s obvious misunderstanding.
Trash as you may think them to be, they made quick trash out of those young men on the witness stand. My word! Their testimonies were positively awful.
@@gregj831 well they are young and VERY dumb. Easy work
My personal experience with shock is unbelievable
I worked for a propane company halling bottled gas
I was rearended by a police officer on a blood run to another hospital omplete white out
I was sent 100 yards into a cornfield
I broke my back
I crawled out of mytruck and stood up all the tanks tipped over and leaking
I then strapped the leaking tanls back to the bed of my truck
I got back in my destroyed vehicle and put my seat belt back on
With a broken back
It took 6 emts and firefighters to get me oit and to the ambulamce
My point is shock will make you do things you cant even explain
To saythat everyone in shock responds normal or the same is not true
Medically there are signs tjst can be observed every thing being witnesses are sayimg is shock
just cant believe witnesses
@@krustymadrid4953I know they don't care if they purger themselves.They're not afraid.Perjury is a joke
Very true sir!
Ernesto: Correcto
Procecution: So, you ...
...
Translator: Correct
They have to get everything on the record, the prosecutor should slow his roll 😂
@@MathewWoodardhe clearly didn’t say yelling, he said hitting multiple times and interpreter was saying “yelling”.
So many leading questions from both sides.
@@MaggieMay757there are times when they can lead and I think this was one of them.
Not a good interpreter wow
As a Mexican who speaks spanish and english I'm very dissapointed with the translators... the woman is giving the answers and completing the questions and the man didn't translate everything, so the lawyer had to modify the questions or ask again to get the full answer.. that's why I think the jury can't get the whole story he's trying to convey
I can hear her completing the sentence. I wonder where they hired her. Definitely, I won't want her interpreting for me
100% Justified ! It was 10 against 1 and the man acted in self defense.
100 percent wrong. It was 5 unarmed people and he could have just walked away which he did but not before stabbing 5 killing 1. Then he casually walked away and said nothing to his group. Yeah that's normal. Don't you think if ten young athletic men wanted to harm this asshole that he would have been able to walk away? Or do you believe that he and his "pocket" knife defeated the gang of ten? Which is it?
They F’d around any found out
@@jayns69 Hah hah.
Why should he walk away in a public area. Sounds like you are in favor of abuse of the elderly.
@@jayns69did they attack him first?
Many folks keep a pocket knife on them for various tasks...especially laborers and someone like me when taking care of a 62 acre property. Very common in rural areas for sure.
So they see that their friend get in an altercation, people are hurt and no one in his group thought is was a good idea to give a statement to the police 🤨
Only the black guy in nic party who called the police
Approximately 40 years ago on the Apple River, as a 18 year old with 3 other friends, we confronted a guy and did actually antagonize him for maybe 2 minutes. We had no plans on attacking the guy - just verbal. He pulled out a knife - maybe 5" - 6" inches. We backed off and incident stopped. I think if we would have kept at it, we probably would have took the knife and stabbed him. Either way, it would have been an incident that would have affected our lives forever by death or prison. Thank god we backed off. It's a no win situation.
Situational awareness is the key!
Creatures on this planet engage in all kinds of exchanges. Survival of the fittest. Charles Darwin explained all of this.
Such a hard ass lmao
Do you see how your actions vs intention spoke louder than words?
And how that led to someone feeling threatened?
Thank God you got to leave uninjured.
Very wise. I have a close friend who got involved in a fight to protect another friend inside an amusement park . One of his opponents stabbed him in the back with a knife. He actually was military man. He got no prison punishment because he's a military man and was waiting for a newborn daughter coming. My friend was taught a lesson and luckily got out alive.
So let me get this straight… he chose to claim self defense and went for the smallest in the ENTIRE GROUP? A 115 lb female to start and ended the life of a 140 pound teenager? This has got to be a joke. 🤦♀️
Threw out the knife and lied to the police also. And wouldn’t leave the kids it’s on video
You need to watch the whole thing. The girl was a different group and chose to involve herself by going over there yelling and getting physical first.
@@sniper.308we didn’t see what happened before filming either
@@pulidoleslie4673 that guy wouldn’t leave them alone that’s why those other kids even came and the other four adults came and told the guy to leave so don’t tell me that BS the people would’ve never came over to them other people and wasn’t for the guy that wouldn’t leave
She and her friend went looking for trouble and found it. They intentionally walked out to the man and got directly in his face and even placed hands on him and you cannot do that. They were drunk and we wanting to be all ghetto for their friends and in doing it, were major instigators of this tragedy.
- The prosecutor has brain damage.
- KOREKTO !
He is quite dreadful, isn’t he? Obviously finished last in his law school class.
@@TheOtherBoleynGirl336omg some of the time his questions are so ridiculous as if he is working for the defense not for the state.
I don’t think it’s appropriate to say people have “brain damage “ in a derogatory way. It’s rude and insensitive.
Pushing an over 50 year old down in fast flowing water could be argued as attempted murder.
It's ancle deep water are you mentally challenged
50?? Lol cmon
That water was practically stagnant
Going around lunging at minors... They should add a charge of SA against a minor
@@pantherinparadise9686do you think several hundred people a day tube in stagnant water? They float several miles. It can be 5 ft deep in an area and 2 feet deep a few steps over.
I cannot stand either attorney. Both are ill prepared, asking leading and obscure questions.
I could spit! Prosecutor just asked Ernesto Chaguez why he’d prefer spanish over english when he needed to tell of something important. What the hell does he think?
Umm. Language barrier perhaps
How old do you have to be to be called an adult in this comment section? Calling these people Kids is ridiculous. They are all capable of serving active military service and some have receding hair lines.... Give me a break. I seen another RUclips video where the officer asked the guys age and he said Im 22, Im just a kid. The lack of accountability and responsibility for ones own actions must be being taught in these liberal colleges. Grow the F up already.
Our society is lacking in empathy, the way these grow inebriated hooligans behaved towards this man is abhorring! 22 year old man address self as a kid all the while being drunk and fornicating. Yes just a kid… no repercussions.
But are they of age to buy alcohol? Are they of age for a full grown man in the prime of his life, to thrust his knife into them? Kill a child, injury several others ? Are they of age to know better? Mr. Miu was in his 50’s older than these kids fathers … YES! They are not 18, they can not vote, they can not legally buy alcohol, they cannot serve their country in the military yet, they are still children under the law… I think you’re just mad because you couldn’t do something like this. It seems you are ready and willing to out a teenager because they have mouthed off to you… you are angry.. and your heart is black…I hope you never have children, but if you do, maybe you will understand!
I'll be the first one to tell you that you never know how someone is outside of work. My gf set me up with a so called great guy from work who turned out to be a stalking alcoholic who l had to call the police on. People can show one side at work and be a completely different person outside of work.
They can also show 1 side to their "best" friend's & be a completely abusive psycho when the doors close!
Yep. We had family friends that we grew up with. Spent 20 years of going on family holidays. Bbqs, the whole shebang. The dad was a chill easy going guy, the mum was a total sweetheart. So kind and warm. One day he just bashed her to a pulp and strangled her to death...He was a cop. It was revealed he had a history of bashing people in custody and other racist and violence problems his whole career. To say we were all shocked was an understatement...
Everything that shines isn't gold .
He’s known him for ten years outside of work.
I’m sorry to read that! I’m sure she felt horrible about it. Hope y’all both are doing better now
IF this isn't self defense then what is
Walking BACK to your group. Walking through a supposed "mob" and staying in the trajectory of their tubes is not fear. Striking a member of said mob isn't fear. Common sense ain't common.
Murder, that’s the charges . Did you miss that part? He is not being charged when self defense.
@@fatee5069you are a 🤡
you do understand most jurisdictions trying to criminalize any self defense. You have to take your beating and your widow can wail when the killers aren't even charged.
RIGHT
SELF DEFENSE.. NOT GUILTY
Nah…. He used unnecessary force. There was no reason to use a weapon in that situation.
@@aloradawn4874there was every reason to use a weapon in that situation.
Surrounded by 13 thugs who are threatening you, laughing at you trying to intimidate you.
Pushes you in the water smack you in the head.
Someone could have easily knocked him out and he would have drowned in the water.
It was 100% self-defense and they got what they deserved. Hopefully they will learn to keep their hands off of people now.
WRONG.
GUILTY NO SELF CONTROL COULD HAVE WALKED AWAY, HE INSTIGATED CONFRONTATION BIG MAN WITH A KNIFE IN HIS HAND HES GONA GET RAILED IN THE PEN.
It was self defense for probably about two minutes. That’s why he’s going to jail.
One of the witnesses that was filming.
Even admitted to yelling at other people as they were tubing down the river. They were out of control teenagers . This is a tragedy all around.
So
YES ATTACKING SOMEONE 13 on 1 is MORE Than out of control
No excuse to kill the kid. In fact, what kind of an example was the creepy old dude setting? Guilty of murder
Reasonable doubt is established. It's just waiting for a well deserved acquittal now. This is the result of Tiktok raising kids, not parents.
@@christinawadsworth501
When I first started looking into this story, I was guilty of thinking right off the bat that this older man was a creep and a pedophile because of the nonsense and lies Cockfield made up and had everyone else believing just because the guy had goggles. Now as I watch the trial, the only thing the older guy was guilty of was looking for his phone while carrying goggles walking through or past a group of immature ego maniac dumb teenagers. If Cockfield would have had some sense of control over his football brain ego, his best friend would still be alive. That's where it started. The older guy was outnumbered 12 to 1 by drunk teenagers and he could see the situation was escalating. I'm sure he thought in his mind which was consumed with fear, that next he was going to be drowned. How else was he to protect himself. Where were the other adults who would hopefully have half a brain and see what was going on and stop it. People, especially young drunk teenagers, will always follow and join in to which they might think as fun at first but turns into a mob, a gang up on, a group of bullies, where one individual will try and one up the other idiot. The outcome is usually deadly. What a sad sad situation. If the older man doesn't speak or understand English very good, then that can throw more gas on the fire because there is a communication gap and therefore misunderstandings. I'll bet when the older man ran up to the tubes and put his hand on Cockfields leg, that was his way of trying to diffuse the situation in his mind. It's like when playing with 5-10 year olds, you chase them or rush up. And maybe he's a grandfather and that's how he plays with his grand kids. Could be a cultural thing where that was his way of joking and break the ice. I think it was self defense and he shouldn't be punished and those kids learned a mighty hard lesson, unfortunately, for the rest of their lives!!
If you have any medical condition, the most minor problem can be major..believe me. I have a heart condition
Please understand I don’t think a young man deserved to die on the river., nor the young lad having his intestines exposed. Mr. Mui didn’t deserve the treatment he got from the kids either. The kids hassled others on the River by their own admission.
The situation is tragic all the way around.
Well said Dawn, my thoughts exactly.
P.S If a policeman was attacked like this I'm sure he would of used deadly force. So there must be a difference between and officer and ordinary person.
A police man wouldn’t attack first
Lmao ok bro@@BlackSilverTreasure
officers have guns. and also a cop isnt going to walk up to a group of kids in a river, and provoke a fight. then once he starts to lose that fight, pull a weapon. thats not self defense in any way. when you're losing a fight you started.. you dont have a right to use deadly force. its interesting how stupid people are.
@@Varro88 They'll find out the hard way.
@@BlackSilverTreasurethat's fucking hilarious dude
It isn’t uncommon at all to see individuals snorkeling or doing their own thing along these float trips. It’s also very common to have groups of drunk people come along and start a conversation and ask you what you’re doing, if you’re catching any fish, offer you a beer, etc. Most people are very friendly. Nik was looking for a lost phone. If he grabbed one of their tubes, it was to answer their questions before the current carried them downstream. The water can be loud and swift.
Nik has no previous record of violence or predatory behavior. These young people taunted and scared him. He was outnumbered. This was self-defense, IMO. Mob mentality. It’s sad and I don’t think anyone deserved to die over it. But they scared him and he happened to have had a knife in his pocket. Everyone needs to watch the videos. These kids (young adults) were way out of line.
100 percent
@@wisconsinite202 Exactly
The more than just scared him, they physically laid into him, well and truly.
Not sure why they aren't getting charged for assault, tbh.
He pulled out the knife before he got touched he could have just kept walking. People that are scared get away from what they are scared of they don't casually walk around it he was not surrounded when he pulled the knife out.
@@briancosgrove3261incorrect
Why are the lawyers allowed to tell witnesses what they were thinking?
That was my point ☝️
Right? There seems to excessive "leading the witness" behavior. Just ask your question.
You’re allowed to lead on cross
Yeah, this is weird, the defense is always leading and putting words in proples mouths.
Thanks. I didn’t know that.
So the defense can ask his wife and friends about Nic’s character but Issac’s mother wasn’t allowed to speak about her dead son’s, his sentence was death by one.
I feel so sad how that was handled. Bless her and her family.
Why didn’t she? I thought that was pathetic that they asked her no questions about HIM really.
There were no questions to ask. Any questions would have made it seem like they were attacking a grieving mom.
Issachar was death because of his own actions and being drunk. Isacc made his choice when he choked and. Mui. Actions have consequences and perhaps Isacc would be alive today if he wasn’t drunk and was with a mob and participating in mob violence and behavior. The kids and adults aren’t innocent. Mr. Miu was allowed to defend himself from this unruly drunk mob.
Nic is the one being prosecuted. His character is relevant for the sentencing. That’s not the case for the young man that died
I have a pocket knife on me right now while watching this video
BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE YOU GUTTED STANDING THERE WITH A BEER IN THERE HANDS
Me too and am female
Don't you guys understand it was done for the culture?
The male translator is not accurate to the witness comments… witness saying problem and translator saying trouble.. different meaning!!
He is not a translator, he is an interpreter and yes ! He is not doing a good job!
The translator for Ernesto is definitely not translating word for word from the witness.
I speak fluent Spanish. Yes, he is. It would be a crime if he changed the witness’s wording and the meaning of his word in the court of law.
I do speak fluent Spanish as well, listen to the video & you will know there’s terminology being left out and not translated word for word as stated by the witness.
Example when he talks about Nic having the knife to cut the rope, when they’re finished tubing the tubes are too heavy to carry if you don’t cut the ropes. Where in the translation did he mention “too heavy”? Or when Ernesto talks about Nic helping him with his pool using the pocket knife to open things? There’s a lot more examples.
Video ref 19:15 he clearly states when Nic was in the water someone was hitting him.. the translator says someone was yelling when Nic was in the water not hitting him.
Interpreter, not translator, and their job isn’t to do a direct translation
SEIF DEFENSE. NOT GUILTY
WRONG. prosecutor and witnesses outlined in the frame-by-frame of the video that the old man clearly punched the blonde girl with the sunglasses and that's why the boys knocked him down and punched him. He has no claim to self-defense because he 1) attacked a teen girl 2) pulled out a deadly weapon AFTER starting a physical fight
@@themartdogshe was not a teen girl but I agree with your comment otherwise
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You’re being dishonest. You can’t see in the video that she was punched. Why lie when you have no skin in the game
The old sief defense. Wins every time
@@themartdog Good thing your not dolling out Justice in Merica. Maybe in a third world country, in a Kangaroo court and in a Travesty of Justice. Give up.
He's a old man pushed to his limits. What he did wasn't right but they were kids and he was defending himself
They were not kids. They all d enough to go into military. And clearly old enough to drink and get high publicly buying liquor etc. Some with previous records and I believe no one under 17. Allowed to do rentals on water without parents consent drinking and drugging now you want to act like defenseless innocent young children. Pure garbage
Watch the testimony where they do a frame-by-frame of the video. The prosecutor shows and all witnesses say that the old man punched the blonde girl with the sunglasses and that's what triggered the boys to attack him. He can't claim self-defense after starting a physical fight and then pulling out a deadly weapon.
Defending against boisterous young people!? So killing is permitted in this situation and wounding with intent, right? WTH! SMH! Don't be dumb now!
Guilty!
He though would have been killed. They only stopped when 3-4 had been stabbed.
HES 56 YEARS OLD THATS NOT OLD THE 100 LB. GIRL STANDING THERE WITH A BEER IN HER HAND DID NOT LOOK LIKE SHE COULD DO MUCH
I watched the three-minute video…those kids and the women were wilding on him. I mean, they were looking to cripple him at the least. Playing armchair analysis, the reason he didn't walk away is the fear of what was happening prompted him to stay put for a redemption that wasn't needed. This has happened to all of us. As far as I can tell, he defended himself.
If you listen to the witness testimony and watch the frame-by-frame, it shows that the old man punched the blonde girl with the sunglasses and that's what triggered the boys to attack him. He started the conflict, he started the violence, he started the stabbing. He's 100% guilty.
@@themartdog She instigated the whole mess from the beginning.
@@echospaw899people are allowed to confront others. Being confronted and insulted doesn't make it ok to hit a teen girl in the face
The teenage girl should have stayed out of it. I'm a woman and I know not to get up in a drunken man's face who I don't know and scream at him to get the f out of here. She has no idea what was going on. They took the black guys word that the man was looking for little girls. None of the mob cared to even ask the man his side of what was going on. The mob and especially the black guy calling the man names should be brought up charges.
He was walking away and they came after him. He turned around and the taunting got worse and he got hit. The adA and defense attorney keep playing the video frame by frame when all of this happened in seconds and the blonde girl was in his face . It all appears differently when the video is played slowly. The kids went off and Mr. Min defended himself. What did the kids expect him to do? The kids hit him repeatedly.
Why do they keep asking people if he uses a knife to "fix things"? Yeah we know it has other uses besides disemboweling kids. That's not what is being debated.
Because these are low budget lawyers who know they are now being watching in thousands of homes, and they need to sensationalize it a bit. Basically, they are just trying to point out that Miu didn't see the kids on the river, run to the store really quick, and buy a knife JUST to intentionally filet a few kids that are talking mean to him.
@@amydavis4945 the defense attorney is one of the best. Do your homework then talk. Pathetic!
BTW... in addition to my first comment.... To be more serious, the Defense is just trying to show that Miu did not have the knife with the INTENT to kill/injure someone. Considering the charges against him are INTENTIONAL Homicide and INTENTIONAL Attempted Homicide... their making a point that he always carried that knife for myriad reasons is a good point to make. I'm not saying that the way he USED the knife on both Issac and Antonio (AJ) wasn't pretty clearly trying to kill them, but it IS effective in showing he didn't TAKE the knife with the intent to kill/injure. Hope that makes sense.
He was carrying a knife to cut the string on the tubes. His friends phoned him & asked him to bring it
The Jury are meant to pretend that they don't know anything other than what is established by evidence and presented in the court. The defense is trying to establish that it was normal for the defendant to have a pocket knife, and he didn't have it because he wanted to go stabbing people. The defense lawyer isn't allowed to testify or lead the witness so he can't just say "It's a completely normal tool to have in this circumstance isn't it?"
Have you mistaken the defense for the prosecutor, because this is a really strange question?
So many times I see these tuff guys starting stuff and then cry and call police it's a dam shame....bottom line is if those guys would of never attack him this would of never happened
A bunch of kids heckling an old man is tough to you? No wonder you live life online. 😂
Fatee you must be stupid ,
Except for the fact that he made the first contact with the group by grabbing their tubes and stopping them. He should have been the adult and walked away. He could have. They could have as well. He deserves some kind of punishment but the prosecution over-charged him.
The way he used the knife on that drunk young man looked like murder, not self defense. He gave zero warning, just slipped it out of his pocket, held it low while maintaining eye contact before striking viciously. He looked like he's had a lot of practice, knew exactly how to kill, and I don't think he ever showed one scintilla of remorse. He also stabbed the young woman, why? There was nothing to prevent him from removing himself from the situation if he felt threatened. He could have reported them to law enforcement. I think he just wanted revenge and the upper hand.
He was offended and acted out of ANGER instead of this imaginary fear. Not once did he take a defensive position.
THIS. Is why his bail was set so high. When it is written in plain words, emotions aside, he is a dangerous liability and used excessive force. Even the fact it was 1 or 2 slices per person then on to the next, 5 seconds per person. A brutal 25 second attack. It sounds like Rambo and looked like a warzone on that river bank.
So let me get this straight, you've got like 8 guys attacking you, they already threw you on the ground and then hit you in the face and they call more ppl over to where there's probably 15 ppl now and they're surrounding you and they throw you to the ground again and all the sudden the old man is the victim not the 15 young ppl stalking him?
He had the knife in his hands when the drunk disgusting woman screamed in his face. The lady that got stabbed first, also drunk at the time, said she might have hit him, when she joined her drunk friend screaming in Nic's face. The first drunk woman probably slapped/hit Nic that's why the second lady joined in hitting/slapping. Too bad the part before Nic slapped the blond was not caught in the recording.
I would also probably try to in fear run and hide after such a traumatic event. Nic's other friend said he looked pale and scared.
This was self defence, period.
Maybe, but he was outnumbered 15 to 1, punched, kicked, slapped & shoved before any stabbing took place.
Also, an attempt was made to force him under the water.
Pretty clear case of self defence in my personal opinion.
How would they not see him holding a knife walking back with blood dripping off be fr his “group” is a joke
While his wife just floats & "watches the sky & trees"? 😂😂
@@cristineconnell7803 right 😂with screaming nothing was totally going on n not adding up his wife says he had the gear to look for jewelry the rest said it was for a phone definitely weird and he had no business near the teenagers in the first place
He ditched the knife before he walked backed. I think only his hand was bloody so he probably washed it off in the water.
@@user-pg8gj5gs9uIt was both. The teens stole the snorkle that Mr. Miu borrowed from his friend. He was minding his own business. One of the group started filming and called Mr. Miu a perv and that he was looking for little girls. His drugged and drunk friends joined in. Miu was trying to leave and the name calling and taunting got worse. He went back and got the snorkle from the guy filming. He was trying to leave again, and got surrounded by the six young adults. He dropped his phone in the water. He was scared to bend down to pick it up. He went to the other side of the tubes in hopes of getting it, and they followed him. The group of six were taunting him. Then a group of four men from another group joined in with the first group. They were lunging at him, hitting him, pushing him down in the water. At one point they pushed his head into the water.
Prosecutor: How close are you with the defendant
Ernesto: is my besfren
Translator: He is my best friend.
How could they hear any yells for help from Nic with all that screaming, yelling, laughing splashing from those maniacs, from the distance they were?
Because Nick never asked for help when he was in front of Maddie and pulled his blade out for the very first time, you can see him smile and look up River and wave at his group. He was never in fear he was never uncomfortable that was his second time going down to the teens when you see the video of him with a snorkel in his mouth running towards a teenagers that was the second time he came because before that he was down there and that's when they asked him what he was doing, and that's when they started heckling him as he walked away back to his group. Then he came back down towards them and that's when you see the video of him running towards him and dropping his snorkel on purpose. He planned the whole thing out go watch the video, he purposely drops the snorkel and it starts jumping around the tubes acting weird because he was trying to make it look like there's an altercation going on because when Maddie walks up he says they took my snorkel. So he was going to use that as a reason to attack the teens and then claimed they attacked him and took his snorkel. Because everybody's wondering why he was acting weird when he walked over and was jumping around and grabbing their tubes and after I thought about it yesterday I realized he dropped a snorkel on purpose and then says they took the snorkel and then him jumping around the tubes was him trying to make it look like from far away from people standing from far away make it look like there was an altercation going on with him being attacked and then taking a snorkel. He knows the self-defense laws cuz he's a second amendment advocate so he knew exactly what he was doing
exactly...the group that was "scared" of him....yelling and laughing at him, they knew what they were doing, it was feeding off of each others bullying on the guy, what they didn't account for was the two drunk karen's taking it literally what they were calling him and getting involved, and then those karen's friends assaulting the guy, and the guy fighting back. there hasn't been one credible witness about the "punch" including rhiley who was standing right there...."I have a picture in my mind of it happening, but I can't give you any details about that picture". What we do have is her standing right in front of maddy who supposedly got hit but is still standing upright and turned to the right yelling, and in that frame rhiley is leaning toward miu, and miu is falling backwards in the water, which tells me SHE was the aggressor first.
They missed the screaming of the diemboweled kid too. Frankly mr no hable english here, all the other buddies, and the now ex wife should all be charged for aiding and abetting
@@sjastramthose kids were bastards, fuck around and find out. Bullies that got taken out.
Do you know the difference between waveing at someone and waveing someone to you? Clear as day in the video.
Why doesn't anyone ask if he has a temper at times.
Because the Prosecutors are probably the worst I've seen in years. Didn't even ask the last witness WHEN he put his hat and coat on and if Nic mentioned why. Just basic questions, left completely unanswered
THEY ASKED THE WIFE !
They're afraid to get stabbed.
@@MsSandi777why are you yelling?
@@anthony212459spot on
Self defense. Not guilty 💯
WRONG
Actually the jury said Guilty.
@@gunbolt99 - Ah well, the jury can't be right all the time. At least those kids won't be harassing strangers anymore, lesson learned, I guess.
@@MorpheusASmith awful take lmao clearly he was the aggressor, moron. I’m sure they learned a lesson yes, I’m sure nic will learn what the rest of his life in prison is like
@@MorpheusASmithyes, at least a psycho will be off the streets and teach people (like most of the commenters here) that they can’t murder people because someone called them a name!
It is crucial to carefully select court translators to avoid any mistranslations that could have serious consequences. The current (male) translator is doing a poor job. Terrible job in my opinion.
All he had to do was walk away towards his group, none of these kids touched him with anything but words. He made the first physical contact. Most men I know would do the same thing if a woman got punched by another man.
Um, no. The video clearly shows one of the females from the group pushed Miu. This was the first physical contact between the group and Miu.
The punch didn’t happen. It’s not the words. The lies caused the ESCALATION among the six young thugs which attracted the similarly drunk & stoned Carlson party to approach with 4 young women and three more men. Mr. Miu said nothing which is one reason this delinquent videographer started the “he’s a creep” narrative.
he did walk away, they (now standing according to jowahn) could have also walked away....they chose to continue towards him. the river didn't carry them towards him, they were standing in two feet of water out of their tubes, but continued to harass and bully him, and the names they were calling him caused another group to come over and get involved with bullying the man who walked away. They came to him and told him to leave....it's no on him only to deescalate, it's on both sides of an altercation. they NEVER stopped calling him names, surrounding him, and they were laughing the entire time so not a single one of them was afraid of him. They were so scared of him that they allowed two women and again pointing out the fact that nic was bigger than either woman..well so was jowahn the instigator MUCH bigger than either woman, but he allowed them to get in the mans face....doesn't sound like he was scared of nic at all. it sounds like they were bullying, and intimidating...I mean they did say "you have ten seconds"...no I'm sorry common sense and the video tells us that they picked a guy that was older and out of shape to bully, caused even more to come over and bully him, but that guy was the wrong guy to pick, and they found out the hard way.
The "kids" admitted they approached him FIRST. He was minding his own business. And that was no wilting violet of a women. She was in his face, her sloshing beer in hand, screaming at the top of her lungs "Get the F*** OUT OF HERE NOW!". I'd have punched her in the face, too, if she invaded my personal space. She joined the mob, when she should have stayed the hell out of it. These "kids" behaved like maniacs, and were on a mission to break him. Well, they got their wish, didn't they?! He broke and fought back. All THEY had to do was leave another person using the river ALONE. But their booze and drugs and the ever growing mob made them feel invincible. This taught them that they were wrong on all counts. I'd suggest you cool your jets, too.....because the video showed he NEVER punched ANY woman, there. They were the aggressors and too bad, so sad, but they learned bullying someone can push the person to fight back. They lost the fight, badly.
Easier said than done. U can't justify bullying/taunting/verbal abuse just bcoz their "prey" became their predator at the end.
Those drunk tubers attacked Nic when he was trying to walk away ~ the tubers kept mocking, taunting and eventually attacking Nic and he did what he had to do to protect himself!
They used words, he used a knife! He only got punched twice AFTER he punched a girl in the face! Words don't kill, but crazed men do!
So walk away
AGREE free nic now.
@@cristineconnell7803 He pushed the girl and then walked away. The guy tubers then started to mock, taunt and eventually attack him while he was trying to walk away.
@@cristineconnell7803That wasn’t a girl, it was a middle aged barfly who inserted herself by charging him like a hippo! By the drunken mob calling him a “pedophile” they put a target on his back marking him for vigilante violence. They acted like savages.
Miu acted just like you would expect someone would act when trying to get away with a crime: he didn't tell anyone else in his group (even as they floated by the people he'd knifed, wondering what was happening and why people were screaming, Miu acted like he was just as clueless as everyone else), he chucked his knife into the woods, and he told lie after lie after lie to the police. He said he "heard that someone got stabbed" and the cops were "looking for someone that fits his description". He said that the teens had taken his knife, then he said that he left his knife in his car, and then he said one of the teens had pulled a knife on him, he grabbed the teen's knife and "poked" him with it. And on and on.
Miu's defense depends on his state of mind when he was swinging his knife. If he honestly (and reasonably) thought he was in grave danger and had no other choice, then he's not guilty. But if he just got pissed off and lost his cool, he's guilty. He's trying to argue that he was in shock afterwards, because he had just gone through some massive trauma and had been afraid that he was about to die, which he says explains why he took so many strange actions. He'll be lucky if the jury believes him, because every single thing he did afterwards looks exactly like what someone would do who got fed up at some kids being mean to him, lost his cool, shut them up with his knife, and tried to sneak away.
i think they aready DOWN STREAM....check your facts.
Your comment is so full of inaccuracies that it's scary that someone like you could end up on a jury.
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Justified or not, any resonable person would be "shaken up" to put it mildly after stabbing someone.
@@bladesmith5927what struck you as reasonable about Miu? He was arguing with drunks in the middle of a river. That could be used as an object example of irrationality.
I call BS. I don't know a single dude I know that DOESN'T carry at least one knife on them always. It's a man kind of thing
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 ooookay
What are you smoking? Not every guy carries a knife. This isn't Crocodile Dundee. 😂
@@naturistfred Lots of people do though which is why it is extremely stupid to attack a stranger.
My sons don't, both my husband's didn't!
Prosecution is fading with each witness.
The comment sections and reading peoples stance on this case is so interesting to me. It is split almost evenly that he is not guilty vs guilty. It’s fascinating how people can interpret the same video so differently. I personally believe it was self defends no questions asked.
Same. I’d feel threatened if I was surrounded by a bunch of drunk and high young adults calling me names and yelling at me.
self defense, he was attacked, 1 person against a angry mob , it dont take a rocket scientist to see this, these kids should have minded there own business , and went on with there partying or went and got staff if they thought he was a threat
Self defense only works if you're not the aggressor. You can't go looking for trouble then claim self defense after.
I agree, fascinating how people say he should have walked away. The video shows they repeatedly pushed him into the river surrounding him. He pulled his knife and the guy pushed him backwards falling into his knife. If you freeze frame he’s falling backwards with the guy shoving him, he falls into the knife. Such a sad situation. Those kids were bullies
@@fatee5069 he wasn't looking for trouble. He was looking for a phone. Upon doing so, the teenagers started the trouble with their unfounded harassment claims and wouldn't stop and then had to be clowns and got two tuff girl females involved who should have minded their own business
I've had a knife in my pocket nearly every day for the past 60+ years, is it that unusual?
I don’t understand this part?!! Anyone else confused that his group didn’t ask him questions or get involved or seem concerned about people screaming dying bleeding in the river after he just walked away from being involved?! I can’t understand this?!
I think, Nick looked pale ….not “in shock” but, because he realized the magnitude of damages he had just inflicted upon the group of teens… he saw all the blood in the river..as he meandered back to his group…he just killed a child! And injured several people….he ditched his kill knife along the way onto the river shore…This wasn’t just a shaving knick… Nick! This was an unjustified desecration of teenagers at knifepoint … if I just killed someone and stabbed many others, I would be scared too! I probably would have pooped myself too! In Shock? Nick said he had diarrhea and evacuated his bowels in the river water…to say the least!…He was scared and worried about getting caught! Then he was quiet, he didn’t want to involve the other people in his crime ….if he didn’t tell them what he just did.. maybe no one noticed….; )
because he was thinking to himself…what the heck did I just do?… jeez …How am I going to get out of this situation? That’s why he put on his hat and heavy camo jacket and sunglasses…in 90° weather…to try to change his physical appearance to not match the description of wanted perp, who was “the older guy in black shorts with graying beard and goatee… the person who stabbed the boys and killed Isaac.” He may well have had those pieces of clothing on in the morning, when it was cooler, maybe 50° upon entering the river, but this was afternoon, and it was very hot outside 90° mid afternoon. He was trying to disguise himself and get away before law enforcement caught up to him! Why else would he offer up a statement, in the back of the patrol car, to the sheriff…that “I heard there was a stabbing and I fit the description”… 🤔 like, I hope you find “ that guy” he didn’t say at that time, that it was HE who had the verbal and deadly altercation with the teens. And it got out of hand, someone died by his hands! He was distancing himself from the killing/stabbing once again…It doesn’t make sense because he knew what he had just done , he knew if caught, he’d be in big trouble..yet he was still trying to remove himself from what happened on the river to the kids. He needs to go bye bye for a very long time…IMO
Exactly. This is definitely how he felt after
Guilty 💯 !
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LOL you think he was afraid? Really SMH no everyone was quiet around him because they were afraid of him. They knew he was a f****** lunatic. It's obvious that his friends around him knew he was crazy
exactly...most of these people commenting don't see that he was in the situation too, they argue how the video guy jowahn was in shock so that's why he turned his phone towards his face, but Miu wasn't in shock also and acted the way he did because of that. they all argue Miu could have walked away...yep he did, they also could have walked away....it's a two way street, not just on Miu.
Can a person who doesn't understand the subtleties of the English language act as a character witness for someone who speaks English?
Miu speaks 5 languages.
Why is that so hard for so many of you to understand?
@@someonesomewhere1500 he’s talking about the Hispanic friend, not the accused.
@@dgathome4345 That still doesn't make sense. They have translators so why would that be a problem?
im a farmer and i got pulled over once the cop asked if i had any weapons i said NO!! he searched me and found my pocket knife and got really really pissed at me and got the other cop who showed up to get pissed at me. as a farmer i do NOT consider my knife as a weapon to me. my dad gave me a knife at 10 years old i was pulled over at 53 i have NEVER used my knife as a weapon BUT a very very handy farm tool
While I agree with you about knives, particularly, pocket knives, being for utility and not necessarily a weapon, Nicolae Miu checked to see that he had the knife before approaching the young intoxicated group. Knowing that he had a knife should have made him decide to avoid getting close to them period, especially without first establishing some kind of repore from a distance.
Someone needs to start a petition to the judge so everyone on all these videos can sign it. For Nick defense. He needs to be acquitted. My heart hurts so bad for him. We all see the proof. If we can all pray and also get a lot of signatures I think it would help.
Free Nic...the THUGS should be jailed.
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Usual suspects should be charged for instigating the whole thing “for the culture”
I absolutely agree. Your justice system in America is broken.. take this to your president
@@barbiegirll7299your gaslighting skills are superb. 😮
This is a self defense case. Should have never gone to trial. Period!
What about that girl he stabbed?
@hamsterman81 She hit him first. He was surrounded by a mob of 13 people. Then punched, slapped and held down in the water! HELLO!!!!
@@LadyDazzleDanceit's so many people pointing to the outcome & not what started it ....I'm in disbelief
The more I watch, the more I think miu snapped. Interesting comments about his service in the Romanian military. That glazed over look he had in his eyes during the incident. Regardless, the response he had does not commiserate with them using words. Maybe like a PTSD response? It’ll be Murder 2, or manslaughter at the very least.There has to be something odd about the dynamic within that friend group, or at least how they vibe when Miu is around. It’s very strange, their response to the incident.
I agree! If he was in danger or truly afraid, his group wasn't far off & could have yelled for help! Instead he kept being the aggressor & not backing off!
He was smiling mui wasn't scared. One of his friends told him not to go because someones going to think you're a pervert.
You Karen’s started it by touching and poking the man on video! And now you’re defending a bunch of elder abusers. The black male should’ve left the man tf alone
He definitely had a crazy smile on his face right before he started stabbing.
it cant be manslaughter that's not what he was charged with. It's murder 1 or Not Guility and you are allowed to stab your attackers if you been body slammed and punched in the face, he's innoccent. If he goes to jail hopefully Trump will pardon him
trial should been taken care of same year happened. going on about nearly 3 years ago. some people are routety when go down applp river make like own river.rember going down river in that was before turn of century 2000 these people wanted fight for no good reason. ignored them continued floating down river. I never float down river again.
I know plenty of men who carry around a pocket knife daily - this case is literally FAFO
My dad carried a pocket knife with him. He used it when he would eat an apple or orange, etc. He would even use the back of it as a small screw driver sometimes.
when 14 year olds are packing, u best be able to defend yourself. Young people these days apparently are "all bout that thug life"
The knife isn't the issue for me! It's how & why he used it! He was the aggressor from the get go!
FAFO ISNT A LEGAL DEFENSE OR LEGAL TERM 😒
@@cristineconnell7803Can me and boys surround you 😂 Bet that opinion would change real fast 💀
This guy is in big trouble. As a retired police officer looking at this I dont see self defense. I see an unhinged over reaction. He is going to be spending a significant amount of time in prison.
Unhinged over reaction .......sheesh glad u not on the jury if that's how you viewed this .....plz tell me the proper way to react after being assaulted like him ....in your opinion
WHO HASN'T been bullied by drunk/high/rude/stupid teenagers?? You don't get to disembowel them because they hurt your feelings.
He wasn’t disemboweled according to the er surgeon. It was a lie.
This man hit the woman, automatically escalating everything.
You got the sequence wrong. THE TWO DRUNK DRUGGIES ESCALATED IT ALL.
@@jaimhaas5170sit down clown!
They got in his face screaming while on drugs, put hands on him and got in his personal space to where he was backed up. You’re allowed to punch her in that case
@@cinemma5834you can punch a girl for yelling at you? As a man? That’s wild. Not to mention he stabbed multiple ppl that never even hit him. Absent the two that punched and pushed him.
No you got your facts wrong. An old drunk man harassed a group of teens on tubes and escalated the situation first.
It’s horrific all around but the teens clearly teamed up on him, slapped him, pushed him down in the water prior to the stabbing. It’s not like he did it out of the blue.
Watch the video for order
He struck one girl and stabbed the other girl before anyone hit him and knocked him down
Macho BS on Mr Nick's part. His feelings were hurt. So he stabbed 5 teens killing one. This man is guilty he put himself in this situation.
@@katherinedinwiddie4526 katherine, have you ever been surrounded, insulted and threatened by 12 people? Maybe you would run away crying but it's not normal behaviour for most people, let alone a grown man who YOU wanted to cry like a whiny girl
@@PatrickBuckley-qd9bo Complete lie. Even the prosecution doesn't say that. I can't understand the sickness or stupidity or combination that has come over this country. Again, for the stupid in the audience, including YOU - not even the prosecution has claimed this and it is obviously a lie for anyone who bothers to watch the videos.
If they thought he was in trouble why didn't they all rush to his aid?
I can see we’re all split just about 50/50 on this incident from these comments. There’s a chance the state may have overcharged this case, but here’s my take -
These boys were underage drinking and drugging - terrible.
They were creeped out by an old man they thought was high or trippin, and acted like a bunch of mean girls - terrible.
Others came around to their defense and escalated things - terrible.
That being said, this man acted like a total creep that day, and if you’ve ever had teen brothers, or raised teen boys, you know that they act like idiots a lot of the time, whether drunk or not. This man ran over to them, stuck his hands in their stuff, touched one of their legs, stayed there after being asked to leave, and refused to just walk away, which he EASILY could have done over and over again. He got physical first, and then it was on. No one pulled weapons, no one threatened to kill him, no one trapped him. He gutted and stabbed several people, and walked away like nothing happened. The most damning thing for me is that he took no action - he should have called 911 himself, should have looked for or approached police himself, tossed the knife, acted like he had no clue what happened, lied to detectives, and played dumb. That is total consciousness of guilt! And that’s why I believe they charged him the way they did. Personally I believe he’s guilty af, but we’ll see what the jury says.
VILE defense team, defending the indefensible, attack the victims, witnesses. Disgusting.
Just as I thought, he is a vet, that look on his face that everyone is calling a smile- It appears he may be having flashback.
Plenty of hardworking, blue collar folks carry pocket knives for situations like these: self defense
So you agree it was premeditated. Thank you
@@google_is_a_criminal you couldn't comprehend a video you watched let alone my remarks. Go back to your building blocks kid. 😂
He was carrying the knife to cut the string the were using to tie the tubes together.
@@mikebarker6979thats what they say… but he pulled that knife out so fast. like he was lookin for trouble. Any kind of excuse. Dude wasnt even in trouble yea he got punched a couple times and beat up. But its a public space a lot of bystanders in the area not some dark alleyway in the middle of nowhere
@@lukeGGleeThe law is clear. You don't have to take a beating under any circumstance. You are allowed to use whatever level of force [that is reasonable given the specific circumstances], including lethal force, to stop people from beating you up.
[Edit - clarifying that you can only use reasonable force]
The problem is he WALKED over to the teens with a knife.
He walked away from the teen’s who came after him. People who float on the River and go into nature use a knife at times. Most people don’t expect a mob of drunk, stoned kids to come after them. The kids had a choice that day, they made the wrong choice repeatedly because they felt empowered by being in the mob.
So this guy is ex military and just gutted and back stabbed several people, I knew the way he used the knife he wasnt a normal guy.
Yeah me to ....I had to rewind after I first watched to see when he even did it .....I'm sure he thought survival tho ...I would of thought my life was threatened in his situation
It is sickening and should be a crime that this poor Miu victim is on trial. This pack of ferrals was up to no good and anyone should be able to protect themselves in any way they can. We see this on the streets where a group of teenagers swarms and hurts or kills random people all the time.
The kids were stopped by Nick...He made the first contact..they couldnt pass, they asked him to move and he didn't and it escalated..
@@DD-dq1ed So a singular man blocked the entire river?
Sickening that a grown man approached teenagers multiple times when he could’ve just walked away. Instead he engaged and further escalated the situation. He had a chance to walk away but chose to assault one woman and stabbed another. The hell broke loose.
What’s sickening is all the people defending that psycho miu.
You need to learn the facts because that video shows the defendant coming towards them and dropping his snorkel on purpose to make it look like the kids took his snorkel. When Maddie walks up he even tells her they took my snorkel when the whole time he purposely dropped it himself so he was trying to make it look like they attacked him and took his snorkel he was planning this the whole time because this was his second time coming back down to the teens. Prior to that they had the first altercation when the teens asked him what he was doing snorkeling in two feet of water. That's when they started making fun of him and he walked back to his group. Then the second time he comes back to the teens is when the video starts. So when everyone sees him over there on video that was the second time he was around them he literally went back to his group most likely grabbed his knife and came back with the snorkel, then he drops his snorkel near the tubes and starts rummaging around the tubes making it look like there's some altercation going on because he was going to probably start stabbing the teens and then claim they took his snorkel and attacked him but he didn't plan on Maddie and the Carlson group walking over. And then when he was talking to Maddie he pulls his knife out and opens it up and is holding it with that weird smile as of now he's trying to plan on what he's going to do next and how he's going to carry out or follow through with his plan he definitely wasn't in fear and he definitely wasn't defending himself. It was never 13 versus 1 because most of the people there were just standing and watching they weren't involved or participating after he punches Maddie and Dante punches him nobody jumps on him and was beating him up, he got pushed by AJ and he stabbed AJ Tony tries to break it up and he stabs Tony twice and then Tony's friend comes to save him and pushes him by the neck and get stabbed Danny walks over to Dante and the girl and stabs them both never in the video do you see more than one person rat packing them or ganging up on him. Did they push him in the water once or twice yeah but no one punched them with their fists except Dante and that was because he was defending the girl, which by law is self-defense on Dante's part, you're allowed to go to the defense of another person if you feel they're in danger so when Dante punches him that's absolutely legal. And like I said after that and no one ever really lays a hand on him as far as hitting him. He got pushed back two different times and pushed in the water once. And when you land and water you don't get hurt maybe your ego gets hurt, but it's not like someone pushed and face first into the concrete know he landed in nice soft shallow water. Even his wife said he wasn't hurt at all SMH so everyone claiming he's defending himself needs to get a grip and be real with themselves Perry were the teens obnoxious and rude yeah but that's not illegal. If you see rude teens being loud get away from them
Translator is horrible, he missed a few details the first time the question was answered about seeing the group of people shouting and one of them hitting him (first time he did not translate the "hitting him" part) good thing the layer asked again and Ernesto was able to repeat the statement and the translator actually said it the second time.
Ohhh shut up he wouldn’t have to use the knife if he wasn’t attacked and feared for his life!!! Come on!!!
Everyone on Nick’s witness side speak no English, even though they’ve known him and have worked with him for 15+ years,
How can any of them testify as to what was being said during the altercation
Speaking your mother tongue is easier in important occasions even though you also speak English
@@gabys9093 yea true that. I can see that, touché. Thank you, didn’t really look at it that way at the moment.
@@jaywhitaker1147, hey internet! Look, a civil exchange! An open mind. Decency. ❤
Amazing how none of the states witnesses could remember any thing & the prosecutor allowed them to keep saying they didn’t remember. However, he’s badgering a man who speaks very little English for what he told the police. Then he’s trying to do a play on words to try to get the witness to say something he doesn’t understand.
I’m older the Nic, we know what you get guys are capable of..look at all the gangs, and who dose most mass shootings…and you think Nic didn’t think of that when the kids were provoking him..then the girl from another group jumps in and gets whithin striking distance from Nic, I’m not condoning his actions, but don’t mess with older people..they will not wait till they are dead..
However he was the aggressor! Charged them, refused to back off, struck first & ultimately killed a minor! Then did everything to avoid being caught! He is guilty!
So we agree older people can think ahead or premeditate the situation. 😂
Could say his best friend was concerned that he WOULDN'T bring the knife because it's not in line with his typical behavior, which is why he called him in the 1st place.
Wonder if they tested Nicks blood for the "2" beers he had.
The arresting officer’s testimony is he saw no sign or scent that Mr. Miu was intoxicated.
Nope. Both of the arresting offers said they had no reason to. They smelled no alcohol, he was talking coherently, did not show any signs of someone drinking.
@@DonIsadick-mf3gvwell that doesn't make any sense because if someone just committed any type of act they should have drug tested him and alcohol tested him because once you don't do it you can never go back. Because it's obvious Mr Nick was drinking because the people in this group said he was so the cops messed up on that one
what would that have to do with anything? You want him to get a BUI?
Dude wasn't near drunk. 2 beers has no effect on a man his age. He was not intoxicated in the least.
@@jamesbroomfield7799
The prosecutors are there just to be there. They know the man acted in self-defense. The video speaks for itself.
Self defense doesn't act like mui did. You call police and say I was attacked by a crowd and stabbed some defending myself. You don't try to get away You stay there and wait for police
@@betty-janececile5214 crowds with mob mentality dont always let you live.
@@user-nk8ww9ce9k yet he was the only one using lethal force.... Makes sense.
self-defense be like that@@fatee5069
Are you blind??
When confronted by a large group of stoned, drunken, and violent young men. What would you do?
I wouldn't lunge at them that's for sure.
Walk the fuck away.