How the Dupe Method in D2R might work...
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2022
- Duping is confirmed in Diablo 2 Resurrected! But how does it work? In this video, we look at the ways items have been duped in D2R and how the dupe might work.
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This has been an ongoing issue long before the shared stash. I think it's interesting that we're finally discussing this in a more mainstream sense and that some people's accounts have actually been accidentally affected by this phenomenon. Thank you for testing this and I'm sorry that you lost so many crafted items and charms in the process but all in the name of science
So the character file limit was never updated from 8kb but the stash size was, in previous d2 it used to auto corrupt your character making it unplayable, the way they solved this was for the game to auto delete items rather than your character becoming corrupted but still they haven't raised the 8kb file limit, don't overload your stash with things with too much text, especially rings and amulets that are crafted, this is how i found out after 5 characters full of crafted amulets were missing 20% in each stash. Maybe try overloading and joining a game on a different realm via friends list, that might be the key to victory, realm switching might cause the game not to check straight away.
each shared tab has the same 8kb limit
I think you might have stumbled on something...good thinking. It does load down a character file from the main server when you realm switch... this would possibly restore an item to be back on a character that had already traded it, because the backup from the main server would still have the transfer in buffer and only updates every so often.
i discovered today that u can dupe items with lag.
i did it by accident because my internet provider was doing work on the lines, nut im guessing u can just use net limiter to choke your download speed as low as u can get it without a dc, drop the items for a friend, ur friend picks them up - then u pull cable. if done correctly you and your friend will both have the items...
This is why I love you Cooley you share these bomb shell nuggets of information with your YT community.
Thank you for the hard work sir, we appreciate it very much!
Muh man. Appreciate you, Maty
love you cooley, thanks for taking one for the team for us.
Some of this is just impossible to stop because it still runs the old game, and the old game has tons of limits and tiny memory areas that are a product of a game made 20+ years ago. Its held up pretty dam well all things considered.
Awesome Content Cooley!! Congrats man!! I love your videos! 👌👌
Thanks Cooley. It’s interesting and nostalgic lmao. I remember duping items in Diablo 1. Fun time.
Love the video, love the research, keep it up we appreciate it
Your work deserved a like on this video!
Also, it feels good to know the the “ wild, wild, west feel” of D2 isn’t completely gone. I can honestly say I’m not mad’
Well…at least you don’t have to drop gold all over the rogue encampment? Lol. Great vid man-completely laughed out loud when you mentioned that these folk don’t just disclose everything to you because you’ll make a video…like this one… good call! Brilliant mate 😎
You're doing God's work, son.
No seriously, your efforts here are very much appreciated.
Good job Coooley
A theory that could be tried is, let's assume that the problem occurs when you save and exit. So you join a game with a char having a stash full that was although successfully saved before. Then you pull a "heavy" item from the shared stash, place it on the start of your stash leaving out some items to make room. These items sould be lighter items. Then when you save, the server will save all items until threshold and the last item will probably be half on file and I also assume here that the error occured upon saving will prevent a save on your share stash. So the item you pulled will still be there on your shared stash, your char will also have the item on next game but will also be missing something else that fell off the trail of the save file. Also maybe you need to also find a sweet spot of item sizes for this to work..
Yeah, most of the previous dupes have been ways to cause the game to abort saving the character file or stash file, or to load the character into a new game before the file was finished saving. Some of the methods involved DDOSing the server to lag it out at the right time and take advantage of the delay in saving to the database, basically you create a new game and if it gets a different server it would load the record before the previous server is done saving the old one. I imagine any dupe method will involve messing with the save and load mechanism in some way.
i used to dupe back in the days ;) im sure that this method still works
Sadly if it does have to do with overloading the stash then we are likely a long way away from gaining stash tabs with stackables.
big oof
Man that brings me back.
For the latest news in Sanctuary., thank you. Hopefully the duping will stay contained where it is.
Welcome back lod
Is it safe to say that is does infact have to do with the shared stash..?
Cause you explained how it was done back in the day, duping a 3os 15/15 archon with jah ith in it and the needed ber aswell...
Does the 6 socket item with lots of stats still drop people? Have you tried trading an item to a friend and the. Have them drop you and see if you still have the item and they do?
I lost a selffound enigma by joining a laggy game which crashed. After I joinded a new game my self found enigma was gone.
I suspect it may have to do with how the saves...to local/global servers, or w.e they're called.
Looking at this from a software engineer perspective I would suspect the "eventual consistency" of database state to allow for such things. The thing is it's very hard to synchronize everything that is happening on thousands of accounts in a single DB without performance issues. What they have to be doing, is keeping "local copy" of the DB on each of the servers, and merge them once in a while in asynchronous way. This way a single DB has to only keep track of handful of users at a time. This should work fine, because users generally don't change servers or regions dynamically - most players simply connect to one when they launch the game and stay there. But if you were to start jumping between servers and regions it might happen that you hit a window where some changes were "locally saved" on one server, but another server hasn't been updated with this information yet.
Its likely from an overloaded shared stash from past ladder that adds to the effect
Chobot had a picture with some minor potions in the stash along with the unmade enigma and infinity. Maybe he was teasing the method
Chat on Switch is the QOL feature I miss, mostly to help trading.
there have been dDos attacks as well, maybe they stress the servers and then try overloading
that would make it easier but from the looks of it, that isn't it. typically ddos attacks are their own dupe. the items are in the stash and then right before the server crashes you withdraw and now the server doesnt have time to remove them from the stash so when the servers are back up its in your invo and stash. This issue looks to be a stack over flow issue. A very, very, very, common issue in most games.
I could dupe Thul runes to get my Sol for Insight!
I have run into similar issues in modded D2 - if you expand the inventory size, you can corrupt characters by filling them full of jewels, rings, or ammies. Runes are stored with compactsave so they don't actually have a unique ID or store information about their affixes and whatnot, and I'm guessing the poofing and duping is related to some issue with the full item storage.
If that were the case, we wouldn't have had HRs poofing back in the day. RIP to my vex. People have already reported HRs poofing on their chars now on reddit, so its been suggested to go back to old ways of immediately socketing any HRs you get in trade in case it is a dupe so it doesn't poof.
@@s7r49 if you put them in cold storage they won't poof. Poofing happens when 2 items exist simultaneously on the server actively.
I've accidentally duped mephisto's soulstone more than once in actIV nightmare difficulty on separate occasions. Barb around lvl 40 or 50 full shared stash near the city of the damned WP. Dropped everything picked up to sell items sold them came back to retrieve and two soulstones were there. I haven't tried anything else other than charms and it didn't work. Hope this helps I didn't spare any details. Good luck duping
Nice video. Guess some things never change. Dupers duping for the last 20 years...
I had a jewel / gem mule that was a sorc. Made a new Sorc to play. And when i logged into that second sorc I had the items from the initial in her personal stash. But my initial mule itself poofed...
Blizzard: “we have decided to remove all shared stashes as they may be responsible for duping”
Hahahha
@@Jefecino 3 months later blizzard: “we have fixed all dupe methods and we are introducing an item shop, extra stash bundle $ 19.99, permed enigma $ 4.99”
@@crackflush keep this post. Will age very well
This man sacrificed his own Annis for us man. I never even got one by myself and this dude poofed his to prove a point. Give this man a sub already!
Never? Towards the end of last ladder I would get 3 a week just playing casually...
@@Dynamice1337 yea in the 2nd week of the last ladder you'd get 3 a week easily
When moving an item (or several) your PC will tell the server that it has moved from A to B, and when A is personal stash and B is shared, that allocation will probably be in a different data region (I have to make assumptions as I don't really know how that data is managed, but I guess they store those items in different database tables depending on in which stash tab they are). It might happen there, that the item might be temporarily stored in both locations and not deleted from origin, if that connection is not managed properly (first you copy the information from A to B, and then delete from A, to avoid losing data), so that the item remains in both origin and destination.
I play on my Switch, and I've managed to accidentally duplicate items in local (happened when moving items between chars). And if the game cannot manage relocation of items in Offline, it doesn't surprise me that in Online happens too...
if people are able to make map hacks they can make ways to mod the game in a way to dupe items
it involves closing the game before it does its lil auto save and reloading after moving an item from your shared stash into your inventory. i havent been able to figure it out completely but i have lost my first shako and skullders and then found a bk ring then got off for the night and next time i got on those 3 were gone and my upped magi was duped and 1 of my crafted rings were duped. few other times since then it has happened but when i try to do it purposely it dont work
I guess both shared stashes (NL + ladder one too) need to be full of these kinda items to cause a bug
Interesting, wonder what cube full of stuff would do in full stash, ofc only can be placed in personal stash.
Personalize your enigmas people, it'll perm it.
One can only hope that next patch they start assigning ID's to EVERYTHING, and not just the ones that had it in the original d2, i dont see why they would not do this, as its not like its taxing the server that much these days, also just do a check on the ID every time the item is interacted with, and if there are multiple, hand out suspension and investigate.
Servers maybe not but remember, the original lod runs in the backround. the only way to get it to work may remake it. truly remake it
@@thomasb.842 its not exactly the old lod, they did alot of trickery to recreate the janky frame stuff from the old, so they can surely do it.
idk anything about this but today while i was cubing up some perfect topazes I was holding the pt from the cube putting it back to my stash on top of another flawless topaz and somehow i miss clicked and dropped them both and suddenly on the ground was the one pt and 2 flawless
Dupes existed before the stash.
But it makes you lose the fun of finding something special.
@Coooley
Here you go :)
How the most recent dupe works.
Step 1. fill inventory completely charms, potions, etc.)
Step 2. have a hostile friend kill you directly outside the entrance of the Rogue Encampment (location doesn't matter so much, but you will have multiple bodies and you don't want to get the first one with your gear you are duping mixed up or you won't dupe anything)
Step 3. Without retrieving your body, have this same friend kill you 15 more times in a different location (say CP wp for ease sake). Don't pick up any of these bodies either.
Step 4. Have your friend kill you one more time in a third spot away from the first 2 spots (first body and 2nd 15 bodies. If done correctly, you should not drop a body this death. If you did drop a body, it means you didn't do the above steps correctly. (This step can be skipped if you know what you are doing, but I suggest doing it anyways to verify you didn't miscount.)
Step 5. Have your friend drop a random unidentified equipment piece outside of town on the very first body that has the items you want duped on it. Pick up the item and hold it on your cursor. Now pick up your body you are standing directly over that has the items while still holding the unidentified item on your cursor. You should hear the "I am overburdened" voiceline, and still have a body on the ground, yet all your items are now back on your character.
Step 6. Have your friend kill you one more time,
Step 7. Congrats, you just duped all your equipped items that you originally had on your character that were on the first body.
Make sure to perm
Enjoy.
I don't play D2R, but in LoD, there used to be a dupe, where you'd crash the character save, by having too much data (lots of max affix 1x1, preferably even socketed into 6s 2x3 weapons). You'd drop valuables, then pickup enough to crash the save, leave, and voila, when rejoining, you had the stuff you dropped, and that in your inventory (losing the max affix jewelry in the progress). This was later "fixed" by what you see here: upon reaching max data, everything afterwards is simply skipped (items poof). This was investigated in relation to another way of making hybrids - if you could get the runes to get skipped, but not the item itself - but I don't remember any results, plus it technically sounds odd, that whatever "skips" would go into sockets, and not just work on the top level. Anyways, if blizzard messed up (which they never do, it's a multi-dollar company), then regression in some combination with the shared chest (new feature) may be possible. PS: One big reason why they'd use a fully made enigma would be, that you can equip it, so I'd do some tests with all interactions between shared chest equipment slots, while overloading the shared chest data, with save&exit.
Maybe something like if the enigma is the thing that tips the shared stash over the line and you deposit straight from character equip to shared stash and save and quit, maybe the deposit will fail server-side? And then if you go on another character and remove some items from the shared stash to bring it back under the limit, maybe the engima will be there but also still on the character. It does seem odd that it's only been equippable items with lots of data and not HRs.
If I'm reading this correctly then this sounds like how they use to stack mods on weapons in the past to make bugged items. My friend use to have these swords on bnet YEARS ago they had ith runes in them but had an absurd amount of mods like life and mana steal ED and a lot more. They use to call them ith Swords lol.
@@dustinfullerton3377 ith items were caused by bugs where you could remove the runes in a rune word and the stats would stay on the item but you would get the sockets back. Nowadays if this happened somehow they would be deleted when you save game.
So you have to launder the runes first?
eventually consistency between database shards probably
Well this at least explained why my CTA disappeared in shared stash :/
Hey Cooley, I had an accidental duping/loosing items incident a while back ago that I didn't bother trying to figure out due to loosing items. I'll give you a hint how it happened. Overloading PC servers might be a lot harder than let's say...less supported handheld console servers? 🤔 😉 this being the first time D2 is available on other platforms it wouldn't surprise me if someone found an exploit on a console and transferred the items into PC market.
It may have to do with how the game saves progress across different types of servers at different times. Honestly I'd rather have this issue fixed. Trading is a huge part of the D2 community experience if that's ruined, it will be more like D3...
Thank GOD they found a reliable dupe. We'll finally get some jewel shops again.
I just hope they find a way to import items like in 1.09. We need some fun bugged items.
You meant geting transofemed into a pigmay and kiling people in town :) Good old days :P
I hope they do and then ban accounts of people like yourself.
Yeah, because economy in original D2 wasn't fucked up enough. Let's make it the same in D2R!
this will take time, imported items would need a mass dupe for shops to open, rest assured this day is coming ^^
Jeez we about to go back to Pcombs being worth 3 Jahs lol
Btw, just saw your video on this, too. What do they say about great minds? haha
@@Coooley We on the same wave dude! Lets go!
Lol 40 hr standard for any decent item. Filling that trade box with runes one by one...
You need Cheat Engine in order to create duplicate items by manipulating the hex values of in game items. Your items get duped during the loading screen when you join a game (open door animation). During this loading screen, you're going to be editing the hex values to duplicate items during this 3 second window. Sounds impossible? The longer it takes to load into the game, the higher chances for you to find and change the hex values (unique item number assigned to each item) . This is where you need a slower SATA2 Hard Drive and internet connection (56k dial up) to increase the loading screen wait to about 5 to 7 seconds. This may or may not be enough time to do it, so you need to create artificial lag or server strain (example DDOS) to increase the loading time. If you over do it, you get the failed to join game error which is something you don't want. This is not something the average player can do as you need to understand game coding. It's extremely rare for someone to "leak" or share a guide on how to do the process. The process is a trial and error, which can result in corrupted characters, account bans, and even hardware ID bans (due to owning Call of Duty). It's possible that Blizzard implemented some sort of anti-cheat to delay the process or make it harder to dupe the items like constantly changing the item numbers instead of making them unique.
I'm left with more questions than answers
just a wild guess, maybe its harder to do it with the runes than the armor. maybe it has something to do with being able to move it quickly, and accurately
people do this fast with auto it scripts / macros
today I left trav while holding a random lochaber axe with my mouse (not in my inventory) then dropped it in town at the beginning of my next run ha
They should show us I'd and make it red if it sees any other. White if it's the only item with the Id. Easy way to solve the problem.
The last bnet dupe I used was duping crafting mats to craft perm items.
@Coooley-------- damn scam bot, yall getting desperate huh?
Wow, "Doom Grip" ring was a famous dual leech dupe ring on uswest back in the day. Hilarious the example dupe that guy made had the exact same name
We had Corruption Grip on East.
Did you try it on legacy settings?
Makes me want to dump out my private stash tabs now... I had jewels go missing before. Thankfully, they were junk so it wasn't a loss but damn
“Searches JSP for an item”
JSP Seller: Selling 130 UNID Griffon, 450 UNID Death Webs, 300 UNID SHAKOS
Oooohhhhhhh okay…. I get it now….
That's one of the reasons why I'm not down with trading anymore Let me play, get my stuff and enjoy it.
I had a Griffons puff…pure sadness
what if we dupe an enigma and then trade it to eu or asia will it still poof
good ol dupes. Lets pray for some white rings next.
Was this a thing before season 2? Maybe it’s connected to the withdraw only stash from season 1, idk
it was a thing in season 1 aswell.
Ahh the good old days of running "dupe" scams. We used to tell people to hotkey a bunch of spells to their mouse wheel, place their rarest best gear on the ground, and scroll through their mouse wheel through their spells as fast as they could, and that by doing so it would cause the server to lag and boot them out, and when they return their would be 2 of everything they dropped on the ground. The reality is they'd get a temporary boot, logged out and by the time they're logging back in we were off with their shit and on to the next one. Lmao.
tldr: stashes get truncated by large data 1x1s, server tries to correct it because hey truncated things are bad. and as we all know, server to client interactions are integliently done and very seamless.
Occy rings next?
It worked!... jk I just buy my stuff with real money.
Heard something about dupes and consoles.. Like if you swap between pc and console on your account or something like that
saw a post on d2 jsp explaining the dupe; not sure if legit info but: you die until 15x corpse with full gear/inventory then the 16th you go a little further away and grab a unique item in your cursor
get killed one last time then there should pop items and still be in your first corpse
but i think blizz hotfixed it and now it only corrupts your game, or it needs to be done in a very specific way
thats why HC is less affected
trying to find it but it seem the post was deleted
bro thats a old school scam trick to steal all your gear , a teh 16th time when you die all your gear will fall on the ground because your inventory is full so the guy who is killing you , who is "dupin" your gear , will just steal il lol
I always wanted to dupe enigmas...
I LOVE the design of the video - seems very... duplicitous
Alot of people don't even realize they're trading u a duped item
Doing RNGeesus's work here Cooley. May our items stay forever in his discretion and never forfeited to the ill-gotten wares of foreign hackers bots and scammers. Keep looking until the sanctity of Sanctuary is restored at the hand of your unabating journalism.
“Duping for science!” See this is a statement I can stand behind…. 🙃
This was happening in season 1 as well
I bet if u load it with every ilvl atribut(pre/sufex) item/list Ie. every listing on the arreat summit.
Personally the worst thing that happened was many ppl lost there currency's and failed to get there truly place on the ladder.
I'd pay top dollar for a Coooley duped item!
I thought I was going crazy when some random items seemed to just disappear.... Now I'm just sad cause now I know I lost some nice things. I didn't get duplicates just lost things.
Same. :( I lost some INSANE jewels before I figured out this was a thing.
Sooo...
Out of curiosity, if you did get a suspected dupe, couldn't you just personalize it and that would give it a new ID?
I'm not a hacker, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn.
Probably, but then you can’t trade that enigma later as no one wants an engraved one
@@pt7145 are you kidding?? gimme that engraved one if its a little cheaper!! i dont care and so would no one else.
personalized items retain their item ids
So you would need characters with personalized rewards for each dupe? You sure you weren’t at a Motel 6 instead?
i mean boosting some character as 2 players or booster 3-7 at the same time cost like 20--30 min and you can do every quest to that point without any restriction the first point in the game where a lvl is required is the ancients quest you need i believe 21 or something to even get the quest but as you get engrave before that you would be good to go and 7 enigmas for 20 min work seems completly fine for the revenue especially most ppl who are duping selling the stuff for real money and got a bigger community behind it as just 1 person who does it.
I found out how to do it! With some of these comments 😅
How ?
You shoulda tried the old drop billions of pieces of gold while doing it.
Another way it could have happened:
I was playing the other day, I was creating games quickly. My toon got rolled back to like two games prior to the games I've played (thankfully I found nothing worth anything). But, I'm not sure if by doing this and trading your equipment to someone, then quick joining games could possibly work? As eventually you'd have your gear back, and they'd possibly have it. IDK, just trying to give another idea/perspective
So how works the dupe in ladder 2?
fun times, lots of dupes, lots of fg :D
Nice sword
🤔 maybe something to do with the ddos? Rollback manipulation
oh no my 60 Bear runes pop'd
You can try old style go next to Akara throw an item point it with your mouse hold alt and press in row from f1 to f9
I bet everything it has to do with the "past" stash adding memory to your shared stash file. Remember we never had a "past" shared stash until S2
Hi guys, i am back to D2 after 16 years, can you tell me please is there online trading site like for Path of exile ? (For ingame trading that is, not for real cash)
Traderie. Not the best but it works.
Why do the Enigmas poof but not the crafted rings that are confirmed to be duped?
They probably did poof
I'm not sure if this has always been a thing but I was in the act 1 at my stash. I dropped a sup crystal sword and sup knout next to my stash and I stood by the stash for about 30-45ish minutes and both items disappeared in front of my eyes one at a time.
Items not unique or set or rare disappear after certain time on the ground, that is standard since d2 lod. And even unique only last like couple hours before disappearing. Look it up.
It's a normal thing, 10, 20, and 30 minute depending on item quality. 10=white 20=magic 30=rare/unique/set/craft, items will disappear on the ground (server limitation)
@@thyestdoaa I think you get an extra time if the item is dropped near the player stash or a town portal. I've seen white items last more than 10 min under that condition.
Hmm maybe if you launch ddos at the exactly the same time the item is about to poof and u grab it before it disappears but the server jitters so you can pick up another copy then it may be possible. So you invite a fish to ur game and trade it there. Before he goes to another game, make another duplicate so that u retain the newest copy and his item disappears.
It is normal. They are supposed to disappear after certain time, even for unique. But I think unique items last longer.
I've duped in D2R. (offline early patch, happened by accident)
It's not worth the risk of losing something permanently though... just like in reg D2.
DONT DUPE!!!
Is it confirmed that creating a runeword or upping the rune does perm it? I saw on reddit that since its a new dupe method, also new code with d2r, that the old tricks may not work like they used to. Also I ask this the day after finally building a Dream Tesladin.
Yes, but as far as I know it's not confirmed that you can dupe individual runes.
If you created a runeword out of duped runes, yes, perm.
If you cube your duped runes to the next tier, also perm.
The items would be given a unique new code.
Create a runeword with duped runes does not perm it. You are quite safe but when blizzard does a ruststorm, even these „safe“ runewords poof
IMO I think you can only dupe equipped items.
I duped a gladiator's bane inside my cube once.
How?
I sent you a discord message detailing what i believe is what was missing on your tries ^^ Would like to know if you manage to test that
I think I got it! Put it this way, I'm already preparing for next season reset ;)
Btw, THANK YOU for the level 99 Membership, my dude!!