5 Reasons Not To Build With Earthbags or Hyperadobe.

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  • Опубликовано: 12 ноя 2024

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  • @KarinaRodriguez7795
    @KarinaRodriguez7795 Год назад +21

    That's true, most of the people don't talk about the cons. Thanks for sharing.

    • @offgridsolitude
      @offgridsolitude  Год назад +1

      Thanks for watching!

    • @lerazadj
      @lerazadj 6 месяцев назад +3

      But hes never even dont his before so what hes sharing isnt from any of his own experience. Its just other peoples words being shared for views.

  • @jamesbarros950
    @jamesbarros950 Год назад +14

    Thank you for this video. I’m a huge proponent of earthbag building but your points are 100% spot on. With a team of 4 fit people, they’re a challenge to build, and you will be exhausted at the end.
    I can source cheaper bags (especially for wholesale quantities of hyperadobe roll) and I am comfortable working through the process of using thermal mass effectively, but just like the design of the walls to ensure they don’t collapse, it’s a significant process and requires a lot of local conditions; not just erecting a building like can be done with other materials.
    While I love the method, I think so many of the failures are because people get excited without doing serious research and miss the points you explain here. Thank you for sharing these so succinctly.

  • @jessicasoss1586
    @jessicasoss1586 9 месяцев назад +15

    We just finished a chicken coup that is 250 sqft and... 17 feet tall? Cob and plaster stick great to hyper Adobe. As for "cold in the winterr warm in the summer" is incorrect. Before the cob and plaster were put on yes, that was correct, it WAS still cooler then outside in the summer and a little warmer in the winter. However, once cob and the lime plaster was applied even when it was 20 outside it was 60 inside (no heat at all) in the summer when it was 100 it was 75ish inside. The bags were exposed for a year before cob or plaster was put on. When it rained the bags did get wet, BUT stayed hard.
    Yes cleats have to be used. Yes hurricane straps have to be used. And you are 100% on the labor part . 😊

    • @offgridsolitude
      @offgridsolitude  9 месяцев назад +1

      Really? 20 degrees outside and 60 inside. That sounds perfect.

  • @chip582002
    @chip582002 5 месяцев назад +32

    The real advantage to a lot of these alternative building ideas is that a small group of people can build some kind of shelter over a period of time for nearly free.

    • @sararunyan
      @sararunyan 2 месяца назад +5

      Yes exactly. Thank you this is the most valuable point really.

    • @seanpupillo7823
      @seanpupillo7823 Месяц назад

      @@sararunyan Yes, for a 1,000 sqf structure it means cheap but that also means moving, mixing, and lifting 400 tons of dirt. It is cheap, but if it takes 1,000 hours, that time could be spent making money and building a wood framed structure, or paying a crew.

    • @oakld
      @oakld Месяц назад

      Yes, this is absolutely great method, in situations like farmers in 3rd world countries filling their off season time with this labour. There are lot of more meaningful ways to build a house in a developed world, even if you're very ecologically minded and/or want to source local materials.

  • @stanpak007
    @stanpak007 Год назад +6

    Really nice and compact overview of the drawbacks of this method. I think nothing beats the speed and flexibility of the frame and stick construction. It can be sturdy clean inside, easy to install any infrastructure inside etc. Yes dirt is in place and you can build with it but all at the cost of labor, flexibility and stability.

    • @offgridsolitude
      @offgridsolitude  Год назад +1

      Thanks for watching!

    • @newolde1
      @newolde1 7 месяцев назад +4

      Speed perhaps, flexibility no. Stick frame is square, earthen can assume just about any shape. A well plastered wall is just as clean as drywall. Folks seem to forget about the amount of toxicity in a stick framed house. Earthen walls have none of this and are breathable. If we're comparing longevity, earthen buildings, if built well, win by a long long ways. The oldest buildings on this planet are earthen. So if you're looking at the process as a long term investment instead of the initial build speed there really isn't any comparison.

    • @lerazadj
      @lerazadj 6 месяцев назад

      Stick houses cant handle anything the earth throws at them. there is a reason everything left from antiquity was built with earthen materials. Everything today is build to break within 100 years. Stick homes will not survive the earth changes already happening and still to come. nobody should be building that way anymore.

    • @clisig2153
      @clisig2153 5 месяцев назад +2

      There is no place like being at home in a genuine Adobe house. Stick built these days is OSB and paper.

  • @gameosapien13
    @gameosapien13 4 месяца назад +14

    As someone with home building experience and that has heavily researched alternative building I could not disagree with you more. Do to your location you have no choice but to self build but you bought what you could afford congratulations on that. It's sounds to me like your building a shack not a home, lumber, T-1-11 siding probably no drywall as that is an incredible amount of work in it's self, etc. If that's the case in the environment you are in you're building for failure. Convince shouldn't outweigh logic. your stick home home will be an oven in the summer and a icebox in the winter and is the worst possible choice for your location and weather environment for longevity and easy of maintenance. I have been to Cal-Earth Institute, looked into Aircrete, cob etc. I settled on an adobe "Santa Fe" or "Taos" style build if you will for my upcoming retirement home. Fortunately for me I have access to inexpensive labor since I am building it on land in South America that is only a 30min drive to a good size city. Good luck.

    • @4ager505
      @4ager505 2 месяца назад

      I live ~135 miles from Taos NM, ~60 miles from Santa Fe NM...so I am familiar with various adobe house designs and construction procedures. I have lived in adobe houses and I love their elegance and charm. Your argument against the conclusions stated in the video is a compelling argument FOR those conclusions. You have access to inexpensive labor...the contributor does not...he must do everything solo. You are close to a large city...he indicates his property is remote. In general. site built, stick framed houses are both easier, and cheaper overall in those circumstances. they can be effectively insulated to provide quite high thermal efficiency. Adobe is much lower in R values, and does not insulate as well. Adobe's comfort advantage is in the moderating function provided by the huge mass of the walls...and in some designs, also the floors, or other augmenting mass associated into the particular design. Stick built houses can be sealed to the weather with only exterior walls, floor and roof...and then temporarily occupied while installation of utilities, insulation, and interior walls/ceilings continues until complete. Both systems have their advantages/disadvantages...depending on location, material availability, building codes, local soil and weather, rain fall/floods, and level of seismic activity. Each house build presents unique challenges to the builder. The contributor shows a good understanding of those challenges. After saying all that, with everything being equal...I like a good adobe!

  • @markharmon4963
    @markharmon4963 5 месяцев назад +6

    You could always keep thinking about it. If it was six months ago, your dome could be done and you would be healthier and more fit.

  • @BrandanLee
    @BrandanLee Год назад +8

    This is an excellent video. Very well done! As you said, not a lot of fail-states out there to learn from. Probably because there's such a tiny minority of people doing it as much as non-reporting fails.
    A hybrid Earthship/Hyperadobe using one of those giant dirt hills in the background would be n interesting project. Using the hills themselves to help provide thermal mass by digging out a section and looping the ventilation through part of the hill.

    • @offgridsolitude
      @offgridsolitude  Год назад +2

      Thanks.
      That's a good idea using the hill for support. And couldn't hurt to add a little rebar, too.

  • @oakld
    @oakld Месяц назад

    I think this is really good approach. Publicizing down sides of alternative building method may help a prevent people from becoming victims of wishful thinking

  • @mariatruitt
    @mariatruitt 3 месяца назад +4

    I agreed until the insulation part. Earth walls don't need insulation. When the weather is warm outside, inside the house is cool. When outside is cold, surprisingly inside the home is warm. Actually, in North Dakota some pioneers built tiny mud homes and it worked out pretty well

  • @creepingduck5458
    @creepingduck5458 Год назад +4

    Hi Joe! Thanks for doing the research. Another great video. In AZ I feel that concrete walls are best due to the temperatures.

  • @Animallovingpermie
    @Animallovingpermie 4 месяца назад +3

    great video, i think you're spot on with four of the five points, but with point four, there is more options than just spray foam. I think it isn't widely spoken about because building that way is uncommon enough, but for earthbag building in the north, an outer course of bags filled with vermiculite/perlite is recommended. i don't know for sure, but a second wall might also help with the stability, if they are each slightly angled for a subtle triangle effect. most important thing to keep in mind i think is that earthbags/hyperadobe aren't silver bullets. if the design isn't well thought through, it can and will fail.

  • @robford3211
    @robford3211 3 месяца назад +3

    Most of your criticism is Apple and oranges .
    Is building earthbag by yourself difficult of course it is : why not have a work away party , bring friends, relatives. Is being enslaved to the bank for 30-40 years better then hard for of 6 month. I know what I will choose.
    How many buildings of earth bag material have you done? 100? Or zero?
    Yes if you built improperly a wall can fall . So you just re built it and chalk it to expérience.
    This reminds me how after a concert of piano music a few older ladies came to the performer and told him that some of his playing was not correct.
    After ascertaining that they never played the piano we are stuck with the similar theme : practice what you preach otherwise it’s a a wasteland

  • @GregAndler
    @GregAndler 21 день назад +1

    Very informative information..thanks

  • @panchopanterausa1750
    @panchopanterausa1750 10 месяцев назад +9

    Good video thanks to give us the info. But I disagree with you on only on one thing.
    building a house with earth it is not necessary any insolation, the earth adobe is the insolation.
    I lived for many years in an adobe house in Taos New Mexico and I know that in winter it keeps the heat inside and in summer it is cool inside.
    Adobe homes need no insulation.

    • @offgridsolitude
      @offgridsolitude  10 месяцев назад +2

      Well that's good to hear. Some people complain about cold in winter. And I know concrete and brick buildings have always felt cold to me. But maybe the windows weren't sealed, etc.

  • @tworebelsoffgrid
    @tworebelsoffgrid Год назад +2

    Great video!

  • @antonioguamil3275
    @antonioguamil3275 2 месяца назад +4

    There is always that bloke, who think his better than everyone.....

  • @garaiko8008
    @garaiko8008 6 месяцев назад +8

    This is not true. Super adobe is not just earth in bags. You analyze the composition of the earth of your land so that you know with how much sand you have to mix it, and then you always add 10% of either lime or cement so that when it dries it becomes really hard and solid. When you use just earth it's not so robust and it's just called adobe, not superadobe. They are different.

    • @rosanilebron1566
      @rosanilebron1566 6 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks for bringing this to the conversation. I'm planning on building with superadobe with a group of friends. And I'm so glad people are commenting on pros and cons. But, he hasn't even done anything with superadobe and is talking about something he doesn't have any experience whatsoever.

  • @iamvoxo9550
    @iamvoxo9550 Месяц назад

    Thank you for sharing

  • @khalidrashad-xu8xe
    @khalidrashad-xu8xe 15 дней назад

    My concern is the polypropylene bags if exposed to the sunlight will disintegrate quickly . Also insects deciding to live in the nicely graded and sifted soil may be a big problem.
    Thanks for the info 👍

  • @ToddBissell
    @ToddBissell Год назад +3

    Informative

  • @kevinrose8568
    @kevinrose8568 5 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks for the video. I am coming into a similar life situation as you and have considered buying some desert land and building. I have looked at the earth bag home techniques and am impressed by these methods and what they accomplish. I've considered them. But I've also arrived at some of your same conclusions, it is hard work to build one of these earthbag homes. Not sure with my health I could accomplish it. It's possible, but it is definitely hard. Also this is the first video I've come across where the cons are talked about. Haven't seen that before. And people criticizing you for criticizing the building methods just because you "haven't done it before" really do not know what they are talking about.

  • @biancajones2377
    @biancajones2377 21 день назад

    thanku 4 your opinion, good2 know 'other' side, get a broader perspective.. i need insultation the way the weather is, and too old for laborious work..as much as i like them..

  • @darrenbrooks9216
    @darrenbrooks9216 Месяц назад

    Where are you buying the necessary lumbar to build a house for the same cost as dirt

  • @goodbodha
    @goodbodha 4 месяца назад +1

    Every time I look at something like this I think more and more that I would rather just pour a pad and put up a large quonset hut. It wouldn't be solo construction friendly, but it would be low skill labor friendly and that should be good enough.
    Build it, add septic, water, and electric. If you want to make it comfortable insulate it, otherwise consider having a camper or rv in the hut as your full service living space. It doesnt even have to be a drivable rv. It could literally be one with facilities that work and you just tow it to the site and park inside. The advantage with that is there are a lot of over the hill rvs that still have decent interiors, but have issues with engine, drive train, or a leaky roof. Those kinds of issues aren't an issue if it is parked indoors.

  • @BestMuzick
    @BestMuzick 4 месяца назад

    I’m so interested in your comments. Ru building a type of eco friendly home and what are r ur solutions?

  • @fredk4136
    @fredk4136 3 месяца назад

    Agree with you 100%

  • @donmcleod8307
    @donmcleod8307 3 месяца назад

    Thanks for your video
    Sticks of 2x4 in Australia are around $4.50 usd per linear meter, they must be a LOT cheaper in the States!

    • @vfgfdfdf
      @vfgfdfdf Месяц назад

      They're not. He's full of shit.

  • @ТимотейГоранов
    @ТимотейГоранов 6 месяцев назад +4

    "A lot of work" but remember that some people doing building work every day as full time job and they don't even have own house

  • @Pokoyo1346
    @Pokoyo1346 5 месяцев назад

    Hey Mate, what do you think of strawbale homes?

  • @duanenavarre7234
    @duanenavarre7234 9 месяцев назад +4

    Most of what you say is a good reason, but the falling walls issue was solved by the native americans and others
    by doing a better job of foundation. A lot of modern homes over the last 100 years in the US have foundation issues.
    There are multiple companies whose total business is around foundation repair.

    • @offgridsolitude
      @offgridsolitude  9 месяцев назад

      Yes. A strong foundation and probably a good building site are very important.

  • @4ager505
    @4ager505 2 месяца назад

    Thanks for posting this. I read the comments, seems like a lot of closed minded folks totally missed the point of your effort. A bunch of them are currently assembling a party armed with garden implements and lighting torches. I think you wasted your effort by encouraging them to think through their own projects before settling on a building plan. I hope I don't meet any of them on the road, probably be another road rage video with me as the victim. Good luck on your own house project.

  • @fosilfool
    @fosilfool 3 месяца назад

    Thank you!

  • @sontisontheim3138
    @sontisontheim3138 9 месяцев назад +4

    look at tiny shiny home.
    they are very honest with the complications and money.they also say its not cheap. but they doing it anyways.

    • @offgridsolitude
      @offgridsolitude  9 месяцев назад

      Tiny Shiny Home is a great channel!

    • @lerazadj
      @lerazadj 6 месяцев назад

      Way cheaper even running into problems than any stick home will ever cost. Tiny homes cost more and wont survive anything the earth can throw at them. Earthen building was the way of our ancestors because it lasts. everything built today is built to fail over time.

  • @chriswhinery
    @chriswhinery Год назад +3

    There's an old structural engineer saying.
    Wood is forgiving, masonry is not.
    Meaning, wood buildings will give you years of warning before a collapse, masonry won't. It'll just fall over on you.
    Same thing goes for earth bags and adobe. They aren't an inherently safe or structural building method.

    • @offgridsolitude
      @offgridsolitude  Год назад +1

      Well said.

    • @--Morpheus--
      @--Morpheus-- 9 месяцев назад +5

      The patent that cal earth obtained, withstands californias stringent earthquake standards

    • @chriswhinery
      @chriswhinery 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@--Morpheus--
      No one is stopping you from building this way. If you like the idea of tons of dirt caving in on you...go ahead.

    • @--Morpheus--
      @--Morpheus-- 9 месяцев назад +2

      @@chriswhinery right..

    • @chriswhinery
      @chriswhinery 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@--Morpheus--
      I know I'm right... thanks.
      There are no legitimate structural engineers who would sign off on this method of construction.
      But, you go ahead and do you and end up under a pile of rubble.

  • @carol07643
    @carol07643 Месяц назад

    Yes it would be much easier by yourself to build a stick build!

  • @dvska
    @dvska 6 месяцев назад

    00:00
    Строительство дома из земли
    Джо строит дом на своей ферме в Аризоне, используя земляные мешки для стен.
    Он исследует различные строительные технологии и решает не использовать земляные мешки из-за их недостатков.
    01:57
    Недостатки земляных мешков
    Земляные мешки требуют много работы, могут рушиться, не имеют изоляции и трудно прикрепить штукатурку.
    Стоимость земляных мешков может быть сопоставима с традиционным строительством, но требует больше работы.
    03:54
    Взвешивание плюсов и минусов
    Джо обсуждает, что строительство из земли может быть сложным и требует много работы, но также имеет свои преимущества.
    Он призывает зрителей взвесить все "за" и "против" и принять взвешенное решение.

  • @chrishultgren777
    @chrishultgren777 Месяц назад

    build a yurt if you have limited labor resources

  • @laynesimons808
    @laynesimons808 5 месяцев назад +4

    Yeah you skimmed over alot of the benefits of earth bag building. Guys dont listen to someone like this. No experience and big opinions. I have built with earthbags, adobe, wood, pretty much any thing you can think of other than hempcrete. Earthbag building is affordable, storm proof, earthquake proof, bulletproof and its easy for a normal person to safely build. Hes a typical city person with a limited knowledge of sustainable building. Idk why he even made the video if im being real with you. Its not accurate

    • @offgridsolitude
      @offgridsolitude  5 месяцев назад

      Thanks for watching.

    • @4ager505
      @4ager505 2 месяца назад

      Awrigt dude...if you didn't use the hemp in the concrete, what did you use it for?

  • @wulfclaw4921
    @wulfclaw4921 5 месяцев назад +1

    Hope the emergency gynecologist was on call.
    Is this a sattire ?
    Your so funny !!
    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @4ager505
      @4ager505 2 месяца назад

      ??? Translate to English, please?

  • @clisig2153
    @clisig2153 5 месяцев назад

    Traditions Adobe construction has given society many historic Adobe buildings. So though you raise some good points you fail to mention actual building methods. I ve lived in Adobe for 47 years. Wouldn't want anything else

  • @bluecollartech-io
    @bluecollartech-io 27 дней назад

    No insulation? Lol

  • @hopelaurel2207
    @hopelaurel2207 2 месяца назад +12

    Don't do videos that you are not educated on and passing bad info.

    • @4ager505
      @4ager505 2 месяца назад +6

      Curious...what discipline(s) are you degreed in, and levels of degree in each? And based on your education levels, on which specific points would you authoratatively disagree with the contributor? Which info, in particular, is bad?

    • @chrise-ih4ix
      @chrise-ih4ix Месяц назад

      ​@@4ager505 good questions

  • @VojvodinaNet
    @VojvodinaNet Год назад +23

    make concrete walls? What kind of solution is that? Your comments are not really valid. How many walls fell? What is your evidence of that? Your comments are unfounded and misleading.

    • @offgridsolitude
      @offgridsolitude  Год назад +6

      Thanks for watching.

    • @coledansie9428
      @coledansie9428 Год назад +1

      ​@@offgridsolitudethanks for addressing criticism like a bitch

    • @eveadame1059
      @eveadame1059 8 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@offgridsolitude 🦋🌿 You might be interested in Monolithic Dome Homes

    • @noramascarenas9990
      @noramascarenas9990 7 месяцев назад +9

      This guy seems clueless to me. Almost all my relatives live in adobe homes built in late 1800's or early 1900's in New Mexico. Walks are over a foot and 1/2 thick. Warm in winter( with a wood stove) and as cool as a cave in summer!

    • @gemguy6812
      @gemguy6812 5 месяцев назад +2

      I’m building an earth bag pod, the only negative I have found is it’s very labor intensive.

  • @rosanilebron1566
    @rosanilebron1566 6 месяцев назад +1

    It is good for people to assume certain things just by watching videos, reading or doing some basic research. But, is not responsible to bring up information about building techniques that one doesn't have any experience whatsoever or any expertise. Thanks for your input, but to be honest, first try it and then dismiss it.

    • @lerazadj
      @lerazadj 6 месяцев назад +1

      This drives me crazy. People making videos on the cons of something they never did themselves in essence regurgitating what they read from other people. There is a reason things built this way from the past are still standing today while everything we build today will vanish with no trace in the future.

    • @knallkopp9662
      @knallkopp9662 2 месяца назад

      @@lerazadj The internet is full of experts and you are certainly one of them. Time to shut the itnernet down once and for all.

  • @lerazadj
    @lerazadj 6 месяцев назад +5

    You seriously shouldnt make videos on things you havent done. Spreading other peoples information on something you dont have experience in is miss information. You cant claim to know anything about the cons of something you've never done.

  • @Doc.wormington
    @Doc.wormington 5 месяцев назад +2

    Thanks for this informative video! I will never use this cheap poor mans way of life. Theres a reason why all our homes are made with sheet rock, timber and fiberglass. Trump 2025! Much love!

  • @claire_A-T
    @claire_A-T 4 месяца назад +2

    NEGATIVE NANCY

  • @vfgfdfdf
    @vfgfdfdf Месяц назад

    Bro has no idea what he is talking about

  • @davidwolf2253
    @davidwolf2253 23 дня назад

    Give up .

  • @willie-gw2ku
    @willie-gw2ku 6 месяцев назад +2

    More work yes ,otherwise this is clueless B crap