Musically speaking my favorite Nightwish era was the Tarja era. However, I do think Floor is the perfect fit for Nightwish as she has the vocal diversity to navigate the complexities of their music. Tarja is still an amazing singer!
Guitar noodle I can see where your coming from Tarja is amazing ! Being a fan of Nightwish for 20 years and not being a fan of opera , she taught me to appreciate her craft. Being a metal head she gave it much more depth. Before when was metal ever discribed as. Beautiful or pretty? Touamas is a genius to create compositions that merge two genres into one great sound. Your spot on that Floor fits Nightwish perfectly.
Frank Puncekar same here. I first became a fan with the Oceanborn album back in ‘98 and then wishmaster, omg. I loved their style and compositions. Floor can sing anything but I still do prefer Tarja singing certain songs.
Siren as in Si-wren like the sirens that lure Odysseus to his death on the rocks. "The Sirens were dangerous bird-women creatures, who lured nearby sailors with their enchanting music and singing voices to shipwreck on the rocky coast of their island." This is a great song, keep in mind that Nightwish does run some backing tracks for some of the orchestral parts and some of the backing choir vocals. It would be too expensive to travel with a full orchestra and choir.
Wishmaster or Kinslayer from the same concert, they are amazing songs. Wishmaster might be epitome Tarja song, Floor cant really do it as well, there isnt that many of those songs.
Marko gets plenty of the limelight, you've barely scratched the surface yet! They've a 6th member you haven't seen yet, Troy, and he's as good as the rest of the band. He & Tuomas have another band together with Toumas's wife on vocals called AURI. Tuomas also did a solo album based on the life and times of Scrooge McDuck. It's absolutely brilliant.
Great choice. Tarja does have an amazing voice. As you go along you will realize Tuomas wrote the songs for who was singing at the time. Except for Dark Passion Play, because they did not have a female singer yet after Tarja was let go. Marko sang the demo. Some of it is on RUclips. Then you will be able to hear him sing more............ :-)
This is very cool I'm so excited about finding out more about Nightwish there so many songs that they have and the direction that I'm going based on the comments from everyone has been very helpful so I appreciate the wonderful NW army that is out there thank you for supporting me in this adventure.
Tuomas' forte is in keyboards, writing and composing epic music, and writing world class poetry. He's not a singer. I heard him say in an interview long ago that, on the first album, he needed a male singer for a few songs but didn't have one. So he did the job himself. And then he followed up with, "After the first album I learned to keep my mouth shut!" Fortunately, with Marco on board, he doesn't have to worry about that any more.
I hope you will explore more of their early years than the average Nigthwish viewer. There is a lot to love about that era. I'm a latecomer myself, but I dove in deep and I think I understand how it felt to be a fan back then, I appreciate the Tarja era probably as much as the old fans do. And personally can't understand how many fans want to forget the past and pretend Floor is the only singer they ever had, as great as she is.
I think, it's less "forgetting the past" than some fear for the possibility to cause the old discussion about who fits better or not. There are so many fans, who want to stop this ridiculous longtime arguing (me included), and maybe they/we sometimes sound a bit harsh, when someone tries to pick that up again. That could result in sentences like "Get over it" or "This is the past and we live in the present" or just "She's gone, period" etc. That doesn't mean, we want to forget this era, absolutely not. We want to stop discussing about things like "She better never left" and similar stuff.
Tuomas sings on "Beauty and the Beast", "The Carpenter", "Astral Romance" and "Once Upon a Troubadour". But Tuomas himself, to put it mildly, is not proud of his vocal contribution to their first album.
@@ollytherock7324 As far as I know, he generally thought that he was recording a demo. But the label decided to release this material as their debut album. And later, in some interviews, to the question “what would he change”, he answered “I would find another singer for those parts” :)
@@SokolRock The fact that Tuomas thought it was a demo answers so much for me. Angels Fall First is the only album I don't re-listen to, it's too unrefined or incomplete sounding. A few songs were even refined to appear on later albums. My "head canon" always viewed this album as more of a demo, with Oceanborne being the first real album. It's good to hear that even the genuis Tuomas himself felt the same.
Their cover of Over the hills and far away from this concert (if not yet suggested) is also very cool. Same as Creek Mary's blood (which is much too seldom suggested). Also to recommend are the songs Swanheart and Wanderlust, both live on From wishes to eternity.
There are so many amazing songs with Tarja and this is totally one of them for me. I would suggest the whole End of an Era concert. There are a few songs that I prefer Tarja over Floor from that concert, but it's totally splitting hairs. I am not going to complain either way. And there are others like The pharaoh Sails to Orion. Live versions obviously.
They three sound great on this song! And each one has her own beautiful approach! 💙 Anette: ruclips.net/video/NBnZyYtfOpc/видео.html Floor: ruclips.net/video/DumGYWE1Pa8/видео.html
Tuomas sing on 3 songs from their debut "album", Angels Fall First (I put "album" in quotes because it was originally intended to be a demo, but the label liked it so much that they insisted on releasing it as an album proper). The songs are: Beauty And The beast, The Carpenter and Astral Romance. Apparently, he was embarrassed by his performance and has not sung since then. Although they are not very good per se, I kinda liked the innocent quirky charm of his vocals in these songs. I'm sure if he got some vocal training, he could have become a passable, if not good, singer. With Marco and Troy(and occasionally Tapio Wilska) providing male vocals, there is no need for him to do so. He has enough work with all his keyboard parts and songwriting I suppose. Anyways, enough about that. This is another great Nightwish song (aren't they all?) and the duo of Marco/Tarja is great isn't it? Cheers!
Tuomas really sings in their first full size album "Angels Fall First" in few songs. Later he said that never again. This is the most awesome live of this song.
This might be considered blasphemy but here we go. I’ve been listening to Nightwish since early 2000’s, I kinda stopped when Tarja left, then I discovered Floor about 10 months ago, and I’m back full on board 110%. I loved Tarja she is most definitely one of a kind talent and Nightwish wouldn’t have existed without, but personally I much much prefer Floor now. Floor got so much of a variety and range for her voice to the point that Tarja songs fit Floor better. (In my opinion obviously.. many will disagree with me, and that’s perfectly cool)
I totally agree with you. Mad respect to Tarja. She is brilliant, but Floor is Magical. It's like painting with Black & White or all the colors of the rainbow! The choice is yours to make?
Thanks, older Nightwish. Very nice song. And again different than many other Nightwish songs... Never know what is coming. But always they have this Nightwish sound, even when they do cover, it will have Nightwish sound ... and smell, if you understand what I try to say : ) And yes, Tuomas, he is really musical genius. I really hope they have economical freedom, so that they can do such a kind music what they want. Cos we are the winners then !!! We can get then those musical journeys !
This intro is one of their best. Otherwise I smile a bit, this was like Tuomases Arabia, India moment. A taste of it, if you will. Not that common theme. But the ghost choir is a more repeating theme, now here just in a style of the films located in ancient Egypt.
Marco is featured on Delain - nothing left live, Marco and Tarja (she says Taria) Nightwish live Phantom of the opera, Tarja either sleeping sun(2 versions old and newer)or nemo, Annette Olzon - the islander or Sahara or aramath.. I got hooked with dark passion play and annette, then i saw live at waken and floor then i went to discover Tarja. I have not been disappointed yet
@@timomastosalo there's an interview with her and she introduces herself as taria it sounds like maria with a t and a rolling r, its on youtube search for it but she spells it Tarja its a Finnish name.
@@phantom629 Yeah, I'm Finnish too - my sister's name happens to be Tarja also :) Finnish always stresses the beginning, 'TARya' is the common way to say it, and even those in whose dialect it can sound as TAriya (like maybe in Kitee, the county in an eastern Finnish province where Nightwsh founders come from), they likely consciously think they say TARya. Yet even in those dialectswith the added vowel, the beginning is stressed. The i ('ee') between the r and 'y' might be quite long, and may sound for English ears like it's stressed - but never in Finnish. Speakers of those dialects might not even notice they put the extra vowel there :) And might be hard pressed to say the name without it, even if they consciously tried. In the English MAria the -ri- is stressed, the a in Ma- gets the so called neutral sound (I'll use 'uh' for that below): like the e in thE usually is (not the one as 'thEE'). This vowel doesn't even exist in Finnish. So the English Maria( ,muhRIa/,muhREEuh) - like in West Side Story etc., is said quite differently than the Finnish Tarja ('TAr(i...)(,)ya). That's why, to adapt the Finnish word to English - Tarya(h) is the best rendition. It comes from the name Daria. Btw. the Finnish t sound is softer then the English one, so some hear it as d (of English).
@@timomastosalo i pointed out finnish as to say its spelled with a finnish use of alphabet, for me I'm american so the j is pronounced like a g, but I'm used to a spanish influence were j are pronounced like h for instance jorge and george are pronounced the same but in spanish its pronounced hor-hay. I heard her introduce herself she said it as taria, I'm no language expert by any means. But before i heard it i was saying it as targa like the old Porsches with the targa tops my mistake lol
@@phantom629 And I just explained why Tarya. An extra vowel may come between r and 'y' (spelled j in Finnsih) - if there comes the vowel, it doesn't matter: it can be dropped. It's a bit like in the Southern USA a name like Dan may sound as broad as 'Dayan' - yet it should be written Dan. 'Taria' will mislead people, especially where the stress comes. Which can't be anywhere else than in the beginning in Finnish names. And that Taria could be a name in Finnish (just haven't met), and then it would be 3 syllables, like TA-ri-a, whereas Tarja goes like Tar-ja. In comparison, we hav Maria and Marja & Mari as ladies' names, like English has Mary and Maria, Mariah... - same origin, said differently. So though there are dialectal variants, it's Tar-ya(h) if spelled in English - and that's advisable to aim at. I know this pretty well: I'm Finnish, I'm a linguist and this is my sister's name also :)
To compare Tarja....Phantom of the Opera....Why the Nightingale Sings....Sleeping Sun. Also, try to stick with the live versions. Unlike most bands, Nightwish's live performances tend to be a couple notches above their studio albums :)
Tuomas sings on 3 songs from their debut "album", Angels Fall First (I put "album" in quotes because it was originally intended to be a demo, but the label liked it so much that they insisted on releasing it as an album proper). The songs are: Beauty And The Beast, The Carpenter and Astral Romance. Apparently, he was embarrassed by his performance and has not sung since then. Although they are not very good per se, I kinda liked the innocent quirky charm of his vocals in these songs. I'm sure if he got some vocal training, he could have become a passable, if not good, singer. With Marco and Troy (and occasionally Tapio Wilska or Tony Kakko) providing male vocals, there is no need for him to do so. He has enough work with all his keyboard parts and songwriting I suppose. Anyways, enough about that. This is another great Nightwish song (aren't they all?) and the duo of Marco/Tarja is great isn't it? Cheers!
Please check out "The phantom of the opera" from End of an era. Both Marko and Tarja sound amazing
I agree 100 %
Musically speaking my favorite Nightwish era was the Tarja era. However, I do think Floor is the perfect fit for Nightwish as she has the vocal diversity to navigate the complexities of their music. Tarja is still an amazing singer!
Guitar noodle I can see where your coming from Tarja is amazing ! Being a fan of Nightwish for 20 years and not being a fan of opera , she taught me to appreciate her craft. Being a metal head she gave it much more depth. Before when was metal ever discribed as. Beautiful or pretty? Touamas is a genius to create compositions that merge two genres into one great sound. Your spot on that Floor fits Nightwish perfectly.
Frank Puncekar same here. I first became a fan with the Oceanborn album back in ‘98 and then wishmaster, omg. I loved their style and compositions. Floor can sing anything but I still do prefer Tarja singing certain songs.
Guitar noodle totally agree!
Tarja will always be the queen!React to Sleeping Sun live with Tarja ❤️🖤
Thank you. I'm so happy to see there is new ppl willing to listen to Tarja era.
Please react to Nightwish Slaying the Dreamer, Wishmaster and Planet Hell from the DVD End of an Era.
they are on my list sweet. Thank you.
Tarja is simply the best! BAM!!! 👊👊👊
Love the middle east hounting vibes in this song. You cant replace it. 🙏❤️👊
damn this song rock olly,thanx to react my dream siren tarja performance. thanx and have great weekend there.
Thank you for watching and supporting my passion for music.
If you like Marco, you should check out their cover of Pink Floyd's High Hopes from the same concert. It's excellent!
sweet, I'm looking forward to that one as well.
Siren as in Si-wren like the sirens that lure Odysseus to his death on the rocks. "The Sirens were dangerous bird-women creatures, who lured nearby sailors with their enchanting music and singing voices to shipwreck on the rocky coast of their island." This is a great song, keep in mind that Nightwish does run some backing tracks for some of the orchestral parts and some of the backing choir vocals. It would be too expensive to travel with a full orchestra and choir.
wow great comment.
I love how you mentioned that they are bird-like. Most people seem to think that they are like mermaids.
Wishmaster or Kinslayer from the same concert, they are amazing songs. Wishmaster might be epitome Tarja song, Floor cant really do it as well, there isnt that many of those songs.
They covered The Phantom of the Opera in this same End of an Era show. They absolutely crushed it!🤘👍
Marko gets plenty of the limelight, you've barely scratched the surface yet! They've a 6th member you haven't seen yet, Troy, and he's as good as the rest of the band. He & Tuomas have another band together with Toumas's wife on vocals called AURI. Tuomas also did a solo album based on the life and times of Scrooge McDuck. It's absolutely brilliant.
Great choice. Tarja does have an amazing voice. As you go along you will realize Tuomas wrote the songs for who was singing at the time. Except for Dark Passion Play, because they did not have a female singer yet after Tarja was let go. Marko sang the demo. Some of it is on RUclips. Then you will be able to hear him sing more............ :-)
This is very cool I'm so excited about finding out more about Nightwish there so many songs that they have and the direction that I'm going based on the comments from everyone has been very helpful so I appreciate the wonderful NW army that is out there thank you for supporting me in this adventure.
@@ollytherock7324 :-)
Tuomas' forte is in keyboards, writing and composing epic music, and writing world class poetry. He's not a singer. I heard him say in an interview long ago that, on the first album, he needed a male singer for a few songs but didn't have one. So he did the job himself. And then he followed up with, "After the first album I learned to keep my mouth shut!" Fortunately, with Marco on board, he doesn't have to worry about that any more.
Lol great response.
I hope you will explore more of their early years than the average Nigthwish viewer. There is a lot to love about that era. I'm a latecomer myself, but I dove in deep and I think I understand how it felt to be a fan back then, I appreciate the Tarja era probably as much as the old fans do. And personally can't understand how many fans want to forget the past and pretend Floor is the only singer they ever had, as great as she is.
I plan on it there are so many. I will need to continue taking medication everyday. Three videos of NW pills. Lol
I think, it's less "forgetting the past" than some fear for the possibility to cause the old discussion about who fits better or not. There are so many fans, who want to stop this ridiculous longtime arguing (me included), and maybe they/we sometimes sound a bit harsh, when someone tries to pick that up again. That could result in sentences like "Get over it" or "This is the past and we live in the present" or just "She's gone, period" etc.
That doesn't mean, we want to forget this era, absolutely not. We want to stop discussing about things like "She better never left" and similar stuff.
I love Tarja!!!
Tuomas sings on "Beauty and the Beast", "The Carpenter", "Astral Romance" and "Once Upon a Troubadour". But Tuomas himself, to put it mildly, is not proud of his vocal contribution to their first album.
Good to know.... Thank you.
@@ollytherock7324 As far as I know, he generally thought that he was recording a demo. But the label decided to release this material as their debut album. And later, in some interviews, to the question “what would he change”, he answered “I would find another singer for those parts” :)
@@SokolRock The fact that Tuomas thought it was a demo answers so much for me. Angels Fall First is the only album I don't re-listen to, it's too unrefined or incomplete sounding. A few songs were even refined to appear on later albums. My "head canon" always viewed this album as more of a demo, with Oceanborne being the first real album. It's good to hear that even the genuis Tuomas himself felt the same.
@@ollytherock7324 The carpenter is the one to listen to if you want to check that out. Look for the official video.
That tells you sth about Tuomas' standards for vocalist as he was not that bad.
Their cover of Over the hills and far away from this concert (if not yet suggested) is also very cool. Same as Creek Mary's blood (which is much too seldom suggested). Also to recommend are the songs Swanheart and Wanderlust, both live on From wishes to eternity.
Thanks for reacting to this one! This has always been a favorite of mine!!
There are so many amazing songs with Tarja and this is totally one of them for me. I would suggest the whole End of an Era concert. There are a few songs that I prefer Tarja over Floor from that concert, but it's totally splitting hairs. I am not going to complain either way. And there are others like The pharaoh Sails to Orion. Live versions obviously.
Great reaction, if you really want to hear Tarja's talent please check Phantom Of The Opera or Slaying The Dreamer from the same show
I will be doing some in the near future.
They three sound great on this song! And each one has her own beautiful approach! 💙
Anette: ruclips.net/video/NBnZyYtfOpc/видео.html
Floor: ruclips.net/video/DumGYWE1Pa8/видео.html
I'm so glad that we can all appreciate all three for what they brought to NW. Thank you.
The kinslayer , from End of an era ( Nightwish )
Tuomas sing on 3 songs from their debut "album", Angels Fall First (I put "album" in quotes because it was originally intended to be a demo, but the label liked it so much that they insisted on releasing it as an album proper). The songs are: Beauty And The beast, The Carpenter and Astral Romance. Apparently, he was embarrassed by his performance and has not sung since then. Although they are not very good per se, I kinda liked the innocent quirky charm of his vocals in these songs. I'm sure if he got some vocal training, he could have become a passable, if not good, singer. With Marco and Troy(and occasionally Tapio Wilska) providing male vocals, there is no need for him to do so. He has enough work with all his keyboard parts and songwriting I suppose. Anyways, enough about that. This is another great Nightwish song (aren't they all?) and the duo of Marco/Tarja is great isn't it? Cheers!
Tuomas really sings in their first full size album "Angels Fall First" in few songs. Later he said that never again. This is the most awesome live of this song.
This might be considered blasphemy but here we go. I’ve been listening to Nightwish since early 2000’s, I kinda stopped when Tarja left, then I discovered Floor about 10 months ago, and I’m back full on board 110%. I loved Tarja she is most definitely one of a kind talent and Nightwish wouldn’t have existed without, but personally I much much prefer Floor now. Floor got so much of a variety and range for her voice to the point that Tarja songs fit Floor better. (In my opinion obviously.. many will disagree with me, and that’s perfectly cool)
Thank you for your comments
I totally agree with you. Mad respect to Tarja. She is brilliant, but Floor is Magical. It's like painting with Black & White or all the colors of the rainbow! The choice is yours to make?
Agree 100 % too
We seem to have quite the same history with Nightwish, give or take a few days ;-)
Exact same for me :)
Thanks, older Nightwish. Very nice song. And again different than many other Nightwish songs... Never know what is coming. But always they have this Nightwish sound, even when they do cover, it will have Nightwish sound ... and smell, if you understand what I try to say : )
And yes, Tuomas, he is really musical genius. I really hope they have economical freedom, so that they can do such a kind music what they want. Cos we are the winners then !!! We can get then those musical journeys !
Agree. Thank you.
LOL you're so diplomatic... good job!😂😂😂
I try..
This intro is one of their best. Otherwise I smile a bit, this was like Tuomases Arabia, India moment. A taste of it, if you will. Not that common theme. But the ghost choir is a more repeating theme, now here just in a style of the films located in ancient Egypt.
Intro was composed by Emppu and other guitar riffs also, but I agree that this very unusual Nightwish son, but great anyways!
Thank You!
I am waiting for Song of myself 😊
It is coming shortly.
"The Siren" is Marko's song. The female vocalist only offers some "ooooo" Seirene calls, that's it.
Very cool song.
@@ollytherock7324 Yeah, and the seirene calls do play a part too. I like the ancient Greek style bit in it.
Marco is featured on Delain - nothing left live, Marco and Tarja (she says Taria) Nightwish live Phantom of the opera, Tarja either sleeping sun(2 versions old and newer)or nemo, Annette Olzon - the islander or Sahara or aramath.. I got hooked with dark passion play and annette, then i saw live at waken and floor then i went to discover Tarja. I have not been disappointed yet
Better spell it like Tarya, to get it right: Taria can mix how Maria is said.
@@timomastosalo there's an interview with her and she introduces herself as taria it sounds like maria with a t and a rolling r, its on youtube search for it but she spells it Tarja its a Finnish name.
@@phantom629 Yeah, I'm Finnish too - my sister's name happens to be Tarja also :)
Finnish always stresses the beginning, 'TARya' is the common way to say it, and even those in whose dialect it can sound as TAriya (like maybe in Kitee, the county in an eastern Finnish province where Nightwsh founders come from), they likely consciously think they say TARya.
Yet even in those dialectswith the added vowel, the beginning is stressed. The i ('ee') between the r and 'y' might be quite long, and may sound for English ears like it's stressed - but never in Finnish. Speakers of those dialects might not even notice they put the extra vowel there :) And might be hard pressed to say the name without it, even if they consciously tried.
In the English MAria the -ri- is stressed, the a in Ma- gets the so called neutral sound (I'll use 'uh' for that below): like the e in thE usually is (not the one as 'thEE'). This vowel doesn't even exist in Finnish. So the English Maria( ,muhRIa/,muhREEuh) - like in West Side Story etc., is said quite differently than the Finnish Tarja ('TAr(i...)(,)ya).
That's why, to adapt the Finnish word to English - Tarya(h) is the best rendition. It comes from the name Daria. Btw. the Finnish t sound is softer then the English one, so some hear it as d (of English).
@@timomastosalo i pointed out finnish as to say its spelled with a finnish use of alphabet, for me I'm american so the j is pronounced like a g, but I'm used to a spanish influence were j are pronounced like h for instance jorge and george are pronounced the same but in spanish its pronounced hor-hay. I heard her introduce herself she said it as taria, I'm no language expert by any means. But before i heard it i was saying it as targa like the old Porsches with the targa tops my mistake lol
@@phantom629 And I just explained why Tarya. An extra vowel may come between r and 'y' (spelled j in Finnsih) - if there comes the vowel, it doesn't matter: it can be dropped. It's a bit like in the Southern USA a name like Dan may sound as broad as 'Dayan' - yet it should be written Dan.
'Taria' will mislead people, especially where the stress comes. Which can't be anywhere else than in the beginning in Finnish names. And that Taria could be a name in Finnish (just haven't met), and then it would be 3 syllables, like TA-ri-a, whereas Tarja goes like Tar-ja. In comparison, we hav Maria and Marja & Mari as ladies' names, like English has Mary and Maria, Mariah... - same origin, said differently.
So though there are dialectal variants, it's Tar-ya(h) if spelled in English - and that's advisable to aim at. I know this pretty well: I'm Finnish, I'm a linguist and this is my sister's name also :)
Tuomas sings on Astral romance from the angels fall first Album (not the over the hills and far away ep version).
The name Tarja is correctly pronounced as "Tarya". Just like in the case of pronunciation of the letter "J" in such names as Jukka and Jansen.
cool thank you for the correction.
To compare Tarja....Phantom of the Opera....Why the Nightingale Sings....Sleeping Sun. Also, try to stick with the live versions. Unlike most bands, Nightwish's live performances tend to be a couple notches above their studio albums :)
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more reaction to the rasmus pleas! and SiM (Silence iz Mine) and One Ok Rock
Please react to passion AND the ópera!!!
Tarja!!
Lets just say there's a reason he no longer sings and he will tell you that himself so no hate ;)
Hi. :) Please react more Tarja from her solo career. Please react also Liv Moon - Child in Time and Alkonost - Птица-Печаль.
Could you try a song Nightquest? I don´t think there is a live version. But album version would be just fine.
I will look around for one.
Please react to dead boys poem from wishes to eternity and also wish master sounds better in that concert.
You mean there's a band???
Now they're nothing more than Floor and the "Floor Tiles"...
Tarja and Annette kept it Nightwish.
You butchered all the names...
Tuomas sings on 3 songs from their debut "album", Angels Fall First (I put "album" in quotes because it was originally intended to be a demo, but the label liked it so much that they insisted on releasing it as an album proper). The songs are: Beauty And The Beast, The Carpenter and Astral Romance. Apparently, he was embarrassed by his performance and has not sung since then. Although they are not very good per se, I kinda liked the innocent quirky charm of his vocals in these songs. I'm sure if he got some vocal training, he could have become a passable, if not good, singer. With Marco and Troy (and occasionally Tapio Wilska or Tony Kakko) providing male vocals, there is no need for him to do so. He has enough work with all his keyboard parts and songwriting I suppose. Anyways, enough about that. This is another great Nightwish song (aren't they all?) and the duo of Marco/Tarja is great isn't it? Cheers!