Routh ended up picking up the cape again for that version. That universe Superman became Kingdom Come Superman on the CW network for the crisis on infinite Earths event.
I’m glad I’m not the only one then. 🫣 It was by far my favorite growing up. And I probably would still find it enjoyable if I get around to rewatching it.
I hated it because I felt the series had just gone downhill. But every movie is someone's favourite movie and honestly, I am glad you liked it and glad you still do. That some folks out there like it makes it feel like less of a waste of money. Hell I like Showgirls and everyone hates that film, so I understand what its like to be a fan of something most people don't care for :)
I was in 4th grade. Mom took me to see this on a Saturday. I remember how EMPTY the theater was and today is still the emptiest I've ever seen a movie theater.
I bet I can do you one better. A friend and I went to see Sigourney Weaver's "Gorillas in the Mist" back in the day, and we were the *only* 2 people in the entire theater. It was, quite literally, a movie just for the 2 of us. Pretty hilarious.
Would you say Superman 3 & 4 are equivalent to what happened with Batman Forever and Batman & Robin? Superman and Superman II have a similar legacy like Batman and Batman Returns. I guess Supergirl and Catwoman will be lumped together.
In the sense of both taking their franchises in campier directions, yes. But the big difference would be that the Batman movies were well-funded and at least looked nice. Plus Batman Forever was a genuine hit, making nearly as much as the original film. The Supergirl/Catwoman thing is a good spot, tho. Never noticed that.
Same. I thought Nuke Man was a super cool villain, as a child. The idea of characters having an "Evil Version", where they wore all black and had a bad attitude, that was mind blowing to me at six years old. You want to know a terrible movie from that era that only kids could like... I loved the Double Dragon movie as a kid. Double Dragon _sucks_ .
Me neither, i saw it in the cinema at 7 y.o. Now i can see that Superman 3 is truly awful (even though i like the scene Superman vs Superman), but 4 is even worse 🥶
Honestly, I enjoyed all of the Christopher Reeve Supermans to some extent, probably because Reeve's presence alone made them watchable, no matter the quality.
I’ll never understand why Nuclear Man was voiced by Gene Hackman. Mark Pillow probably could’ve just done it himself, but if he had to be dubbed then it should’ve been Christopher Reeve, since he’s suppose to be Superman’s clone.
@@JoBloOriginalsSuperman V could've saved the franchise. The rights were returned to The Salkinds & they hired 2 writers who made a really good Script that Reeve almost did return until Alexander & Ilya Salkind parted ways from making movies together & the Horse riding accident of Reeve in 95.
One of the scenes that I really disliked in Superman 4 was when Lex Luthor impersonated a USAF 5 Star General to command a missile launching! Even for a fictional movie, that just doesn't work. The 5 star general rank (although still listed for use) has not been used actively since the 1950s. There has only been ONE USAF 5 star general ever in USA history, and General Henry Arnold started as US Army general before being made the commanding USAF general. Thus, the USA Armed Forces would clearly KNOW if they had a new 5 star general. And ANY nuclear missile launch still has to be cleared by the President. So Luthor impersonating a USAF 5 star general is not just unreal and impossible, it doesn't even make sense. Hence, that scene cost the movie another minus 10 points out of a 100 score.
This was a cheesy fun bad movie despite its flaws. Christopher Reeves is still great as Superman. I liked the deleted scene where Lex & Lenny Luthor created a protype Nuclear who acted more like Bizzaro.
Their was also deleted scene in Superman 4 involving afamily in Kansas. The daughter gets caught up inna twister created by Nuclear man. And Superman has to unwind the twister in order to save the little girl. And that deleted scene isn't in any of the DVD or Blu-ray versions of Superman 4 but that deleted scene does still exists to this day
I liked it as a child but the only one I really remember was one with General Zod and the 3rd one, but only because I was terrified as kid seeing the robot woman.
Still blows my mind how different Margot Kidder looked between Superman 1 and 2, considering they were shot back to back. She looked ill and unattractive, and I don't think she would have been cast in the first film at all if looking this way.
Only saving Grace was the score. With new themes written by John Williams, but conducted by Alexander Courage… yet the score sounds quite different compared to the original and parts 2&3 (with music adapted and conducted by Ken Thorne)
I went to see this at the cinema when it was first released. Before it there was a short film about nuclear science which was much more entertaining than Superman 4.
When I first saw it on television, I was shocked at how badly edited for television it was. I only later learned that no, the theatical film really was edited that badly.
Well, it did still lose money, because when it comes to movies, you have to earn 2.5 times the initial production budget back to break even. $17mil was the initial production budget, but then comes marketing, distribution, and sometimes theaters take a percentage of the earnings. So, it would’ve had to earn at least $42.5mil just to break even, let alone make a profit.
@@alltheinnocence They didn’t spend that much on marketing.
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@@titowrestling Marketing budgets are typically 50-100% of the production budget and theaters take half. So even if we ignore marketing, the film still lost money. With marketing, it easily lost $10-20 million. Which these days is peanuts with big films losing $100-200+ million all the time.
Yeah, Street Smart is a pretty good film. Plus there's a few scenes in it where you can see a Times Square billboard for Big Trouble in Little China. A bit ironic, since Chris Reeve would go on to work with John Carpenter in the Village Of The Damned remake.
Word! I remember SS b/c of Courtney Thorne/Smith being cute as all get out! RoboCop was also fire!!🔥 I never did or have seen this trash. After Superman 3, I was done with this franchise.
they gave the money to masters of the universe. this one used to be my favorite as a kid. it was the first superman movie i got to see in theaters. i was only 6
I was a Superman nut growing up. This was the first one I got to see in theaters. Three quarters of the way through the movie, the film malfunctioned and everyone was asked to leave. I didn’t even care. It was so bad, even as a kid, I was happy to leave. My mom didn’t even request a refund, we were all so relieved it was over. Such a wasted opportunity.
Unfortunately this movie was on HBO way too often when I was a kid and didn’t know any better. However, I’d rewatch this turd before attempting to watch Batman and Robin.
Pretty tragic end to the Reeve series of movies.. Promises made to him by Cannon were NOT kept and poor Chris got stuck contractually making a Superman movie he knew was going to be awful and further damage his career..
This was the first movie that I ever walked out on in a movie theater. It is absolutely awful! And I felt so bad for Christopher Reeve and Gene Hackman (as well as Margot Kidder and Jackie Cooper) for actually being in this colossal catastrophe of a so-called movie. I blame penny-pinching Israeli cheapskate producers Yoram Globus and Menahem Golan (of Cannon fame) for ultimately ruining the Superman franchise at this point. This film can’t hold a flame to the prestigious majesty of a classic that is Richard Donner’s “Superman The Movie.”
This is the first I have heard about Wes Craven since I got interested in Superman retrospectives. Anyone got a detailed source about those creative differences?
I like Superman 4. It has the theme of getting rid of nuclear weapons. A wiser theme than most films have. Many nuclear experts (e.g. the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists) say that the risk of nuclear war now is higher than it was during the Cold War.
I remember seeing this in the theaters as a 6 year old. At the time I was so young that I didn't notice how "bad" it was, and even to this day, it's a film of my childhood and my brother and I LOVED the Superman movies, so despite the fact that I can see all these things NOW, I honestly don't care. To me it's still an enjoyable watch and while not as good as the first 2, I've seen WAY worse and to this day this is still a fun movie for me ❤
I also prefer Superman IV over Superman III with Richard Pryor being annoying and Margot Kidder being replaced by Lana Lang character and the villain sucked
The Cannon Company is responsible for hurting Superman’s image and decades later, it got a remade of Superman Returns till after the Christopher Reeves death in 2005. Sad times, huh? 😢 BTW, the mostly unanticipated movie came already Joker 2 and now, it TANKED the box office already. The joke’s on WB and David Z, too. Yikes.
I remember dragging my mom to this when I was a little kid on opening day. I'm pretty sure we were the only people in the theater. I didn't hate it back then, as I was just happy to see a Superman movie in a theater. But after seeing it again as a teenager, I could not wrap my head around how terrible the whole thing was. Learning about how Cannon basically blew through most of their money on Masters of the Universe (an equally terrible film), it's no wonder A Quest for Peace was doomed to fail. I don't think it would have been a good movie, had the budget not been halved, but it might have had a chance of being tolerable. As is, it's a "so bad, you might chuckle a few times" kind of movie. At least Christopher Reeve was still the best Superman, even in the worst possible movie.
Superman 3 was way worse, it was more of a Leslie Nielsen film then anything else. 4 had its issues do to Cannon Group screwing over not only Christopher Reeve's story, but his passion project. Still, despite its flaws I enjoyed and Nuclear Man is my all time favorite Superman villain. Sure he had a horrible weakness, but without it Supes would never have been able to beat him. And as far as I know Nuclear Man is the only live action villain to beat arguably the strongest Supes twice alone. First time nearly killing him, and he was just having fun and if it wasn't for that crystal he'd be dead. The second time, he buried Supes alive in the freaking Moon. I really hope they release a remastered version one.
Clive Mantle came to my school when I was very young and he was known for being a doctor in Casualty. He said he was in this movie but I must have missed that his role was cut and for years I was confused when I saw Nuclear Man and thought “that doesn’t look anything like Clive” When I saw the deleted scenes I was surprised that he even brought it up.
When I saw Superman 4 as a kid in the 80’s, I knew it wasn’t as good as the others, but I was 10 or 11 years old, so I didn’t fully grasp how bad it was. I tried to watch it recently, and it’s legitimately one of the worst things I’ve ever seen.
I met Mark Pillow (Nuclear Man) and he was very nice. I will say that while the movie doesn’t work as a whole the awkward fights are very entertaining.
What did in Superman IV? 1. Slashed budget. 2. Not using a different villain from the source material. Lex Luthor teaming with another villain? Ok, but no Parasite, Bizarro, Metallo, Toyman, Prankster or... Brainiac? 3. No attention to detail, most evident in visuals. 4. Rehashing some stuff from the 1st 2 movies. 5. Nuclear Man lands in Metropolis to capture Lacy, Superman confronts him, but lets him start messing things up!?!? And pleads with a retread line from Superman II!??!? However, this IS the Superman movie that helped get me into the character (in my defense, the 1st 3 Superman movies were rented out from Blockbuster).
Super man 1 is a classic super man 2 great sequel bc it showed that super man had more than one super villain bad guy b4 I will find him zwag there was knee b4 zwag SM 3 was slow with less action so in my opinion dud 💩 and Sm4 I rather not watch jue to public opinion on how bad they say it is super man returns under rated should of been called super man V it was a direct follow up to the last one Brandon Roth really got the part for looking exactly like Christopher Reeve when he’s Clark kent Brandon Roth looks nothing like super man when be comes super man ya know am saying but all and all he did a great job apealing to a new generation including my 12 year old self at the time ❤💙 💛
lol strangely enough, I liked Superman IV...not a lot, but I didn't find it terrible. Then again I was a kid so I liked any kind of movie like this. I must have re-watched it over a dozen times (because we had it on Beta), but re-watching it as an adult, I can better understand where everybody is coming from. As for Canon, I liked Masters of the Universe better now than as a kid. I was severely disappointed in my youth, simply because it missed a lot of what the animated series presented, but I also appreciated how they took it a little more seriously. I hated the fact they went to Earth though...what a lame/cheap approach. Anyway, this is supposed to be about Superman lol...ah well, rest in peace Mr. Reeve. You're still the best Superman.
First time i saw Christopher Reeve in a film was in Gray Lady Down. He was young in that, Superman films were ok. Wish he was around now to stop all these bloody wars.
Cannon bought Elstree Studios to make money they sold have the studio so Tesco could build store there they had to demolish all the soundstages including the one built for the empire strikes back
@@matthewdaley746 when Stephen Spielberg was making Indiana Jones said in an interview how appalled he was what cannon were doing gutting a great studio
I enjoyed the movie as a kid. Of course years later I can see that it wasnt of the same ilk as Superman 2....however I also loved the 3rd one and the Super Computer battle scene at the end is one of my favs (along with evil Superman v Clark Kent). Who could forget the sidekick sister of Robert Vaughan being turned into the robot by the super computer... 4 excellent movies in my opinion.
It definitely has its flaws (which I attribute mostly due to obvious budgetary issues), and admittedly, I notice them A LOT more as an adult than I did as a kid. That said, as a kid (and still now, really), I always saw it as an adequate sequel, and I thought this new villain was actually pretty cool. I definitely liked it better than Supergirl, and to be honest, better than Superman returns. Like, yeah... I'd absolutely watch (and enjoy) IV again before either of those.
I saw Superman 4 at the cinema when I was a kid and was so annoyed at how bad it was. The action was awful, the cat fight between Superman and the Nuclear man was embarrassingly bad. This is from the guy who really liked the Supergirl movie.
I actually enjoyed IV a lot. I was/am also a big Cannon film fan. Yep, I am one of those guys that actually likes bad movies. Some things I am over when it comes to a DC film. I am over watching Batman's parents getting killed every movie and I am over Zod. IV had a whacky premise, some fun humor and cool fights. I have watched it many times over the combined total of the other three. Cheers.
I've always felt that in Superman IV there's a good story in there somewhere trying to get out, but it's hampered by the horrendous production values. I wonder if it could be reedited and redone with new effects to where it was actually something good?
If they used the correct budget to begin with Superman IV would've been a huge success and Cannon Film just might be in business today. Well it is what it is.
The time these films came out the special effects were just not up to the task of putting a massive battle like this to screen. Even in Superman 2 where they had good effects for the time the big battles between the Kryptonians were a disjointed mess of set pieces.
The sun produces energy via nuclear fusion of hydrogen atoms with other hydrogen atoms in its core, thus creating helium atoms & an incredible amount of heat.
@@denizen53 Haha I like them both pretty well but to each their own. The beauty of art is that we can decide for ourselves what is canon and what is good or bad, and it's all personal. For instance, I don't consider anything Star Wars after 1983 to be legitimate and that's my personal preference.
What I find crazy is that they wanted to use the delete scenes from 4 as the basic for 5, write new scenes and a story around those. That is the epitome of cheap - these scenes are not good enough for this film but don't get rid of them, we will use them in the next one 😂 To me, this movie was always going to fail and it is just a question of did the slashed budget ruin the story or was the story so bad that even a decent budget wouldn't have saved it. I imagine there is stuff they cut because of the low budget but the story is what it is and I don't think it was going to be good even with a better budget. Sure it wouldn't have looked as cheap with proper effects and such but good icing doesn't fix and under baked cake.
Here's a hot take: the premise of Superman IV was awesome: a paternalistic Superman doing what the world needed and a worthy foe to fight. The script erred by not having the world be more divided on Superman's actions.
When I was a kid living with my grandparents for some reason they only had the VHS tape of 1 and 4 so until I was a teenager i though 4 was the 2nd movie lol. They later got the DVD collection and I finally saw 2 and 3.
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As a kid, Nuclear Man was awesome!
Wasn't he tho? Lol learning this movie actually sucked came as quite a shock to me.
Absolutely agreed! His powers and his lack of impulse control contrasted well with Superman.
Technically Superman Returns is Superman 5. It retcons 3 & 4 but Brandon Routh is suppose to be playing the Christopher Reeve’s Superman.
Superman Return wasn't a bad movie.
That movie just aired on tv yesterday, i had to watch it, he did a good Reeve's Superman.
Routh ended up picking up the cape again for that version. That universe Superman became Kingdom Come Superman on the CW network for the crisis on infinite Earths event.
it wouldn't be 5 then...it would be 3, because it's meant to be directly after 2..making 3, 4 and 4, 5...
and, much like 4, Returns was also, shit!
Growing up, it was my favorite. Even as an adult, I find it highly enjoyable...certainly much more than the modern Superman movies.
Definitely one of my favorite superman movies as a kid. It was cool and simple to get I guess.
I’m glad I’m not the only one then. 🫣 It was by far my favorite growing up. And I probably would still find it enjoyable if I get around to rewatching it.
I hated it because I felt the series had just gone downhill. But every movie is someone's favourite movie and honestly, I am glad you liked it and glad you still do. That some folks out there like it makes it feel like less of a waste of money. Hell I like Showgirls and everyone hates that film, so I understand what its like to be a fan of something most people don't care for :)
@@Mandrake42 That scene where Clark refuses to sell the family farm to someone that is not a farmer is as good of scene in any of the Superman films.
Same
I was in 4th grade. Mom took me to see this on a Saturday. I remember how EMPTY the theater was and today is still the emptiest I've ever seen a movie theater.
I bet I can do you one better. A friend and I went to see Sigourney Weaver's "Gorillas in the Mist" back in the day, and we were the *only* 2 people in the entire theater. It was, quite literally, a movie just for the 2 of us. Pretty hilarious.
Gotta love how one of Superman's hairs is strong enough to suspend a 1000lb steel ball but is cut by a simple pair of bolt cutters.
Irony's truly strange, absolutely.
Maybe the bolt cutter was laced with some Kryptonite.
I mean it kind makes sense. A chain can hold 1000 pounds but you could cut that with a bolt cutter.
Difference between tensile strength and other measures of hardness and strength. Or bad writing.
Facts
It’s amazing that they actually got Gene Hackman onboard this mess?
You have no idea...
Sing it with me, money, money, money, money….. MONEY!!!
Notice how he had hair in this one. He flat refused to shave his head for this movie.
Bet he had a nice boat to pay for. Lol
@@chadb9270 Hackman never shaved his head for the role of Luthor. He wore a bald cap during Donner's original production in 1977.
Amazing they got any of them!
My dream for Superman V would be Superman V: The Fifth Dimension with Christopher Reeve as Superman and Robin Williams as Mr. Mxyzptlk.
Sounds like a nightmare. Robin Williams fast talking style of comedy got old, back in the Mork & Mindy days.
His BFF
I like that idea
Closest thing we got was Dean Cain's Superman opposite Howie Mandel's Mxy.
Would you say Superman 3 & 4 are equivalent to what happened with Batman Forever and Batman & Robin? Superman and Superman II have a similar legacy like Batman and Batman Returns. I guess Supergirl and Catwoman will be lumped together.
Batman forever was agreat film Batman and Robin was shit
In the sense of both taking their franchises in campier directions, yes. But the big difference would be that the Batman movies were well-funded and at least looked nice. Plus Batman Forever was a genuine hit, making nearly as much as the original film.
The Supergirl/Catwoman thing is a good spot, tho. Never noticed that.
I think Superman 3 was actually pretty good and a little a head of it's time.
Honestly when I was 9, I didn’t see how this movie was much different than its predecessors.
This is absolutely true. I for one thought streetfighter was a masterpiece in my youth. 😂😂😂
Same. I thought Nuke Man was a super cool villain, as a child. The idea of characters having an "Evil Version", where they wore all black and had a bad attitude, that was mind blowing to me at six years old.
You want to know a terrible movie from that era that only kids could like... I loved the Double Dragon movie as a kid. Double Dragon _sucks_ .
Supe 4 wasn't all that bad. I thought it was OK.
Me neither, i saw it in the cinema at 7 y.o. Now i can see that Superman 3 is truly awful (even though i like the scene Superman vs Superman), but 4 is even worse 🥶
@@chadb9270 😆 I was disappointed with street fighter but not as disappointed like I was with super Mario brothers.
The script for the movie was pretty good. If the film had a better budget and wasn’t heavily edited, it would have turned out much better
Cannon vaporizes everything, unquestionably.
@@matthewdaley746I'm still thankful for The Naked Face with Roger Moore
@@martinhumbleAn occasional masterpiece, unfortunately.
Honestly, I enjoyed all of the Christopher Reeve Supermans to some extent, probably because Reeve's presence alone made them watchable, no matter the quality.
Good call.
The superman 4 footage wasn't finished...🙄it was cut down.😆
It was a mess..😅
Canon destroyed Superman.
Cannon, just-annihilates, everything, definitely.
*Conan
I’ll never understand why Nuclear Man was voiced by Gene Hackman. Mark Pillow probably could’ve just done it himself, but if he had to be dubbed then it should’ve been Christopher Reeve, since he’s suppose to be Superman’s clone.
Heavy regional accent, unquestionably.
Or Christopher Walken
@@05dturnerVery bizarre casting, unfortunately.
Great video as always JoBlo. Would like to see a video on Christopher Reeves's Street Smarts really overlook film in my opinion.
That's a great idea! We'll add it to the list!
*Reeve’s
@@JoBloOriginalsSuperman V could've saved the franchise. The rights were returned to The Salkinds & they hired 2 writers who made a really good Script that Reeve almost did return until Alexander & Ilya Salkind parted ways from making movies together & the Horse riding accident of Reeve in 95.
One of the scenes that I really disliked in Superman 4 was when Lex Luthor impersonated a USAF 5 Star General to command a missile launching! Even for a fictional movie, that just doesn't work. The 5 star general rank (although still listed for use) has not been used actively since the 1950s. There has only been ONE USAF 5 star general ever in USA history, and General Henry Arnold started as US Army general before being made the commanding USAF general. Thus, the USA Armed Forces would clearly KNOW if they had a new 5 star general. And ANY nuclear missile launch still has to be cleared by the President. So Luthor impersonating a USAF 5 star general is not just unreal and impossible, it doesn't even make sense. Hence, that scene cost the movie another minus 10 points out of a 100 score.
This was a cheesy fun bad movie despite its flaws. Christopher Reeves is still great as Superman. I liked the deleted scene where Lex & Lenny Luthor created a protype Nuclear who acted more like Bizzaro.
*Reeve
Their was also deleted scene in Superman 4 involving afamily in Kansas. The daughter gets caught up inna twister created by Nuclear man. And Superman has to unwind the twister in order to save the little girl. And that deleted scene isn't in any of the DVD or Blu-ray versions of Superman 4 but that deleted scene does still exists to this day
2:27 Street Smart is a great watch if you're a fan of Reeves & Freeman.
Highly recommended.
Morgan Freeman's fantastic, absolutely.
*Reeve
There is no s at the end of Reeve
Morgan Freeman was nominated for an Oscar for street smart
In those days there was no way for the public to complain on bad movies.
I liked it as a child but the only one I really remember was one with General Zod and the 3rd one, but only because I was terrified as kid seeing the robot woman.
the first Borg drone
Same! She gave me nightmares.
She scared the crap out of me!
Still blows my mind how different Margot Kidder looked between Superman 1 and 2, considering they were shot back to back. She looked ill and unattractive, and I don't think she would have been cast in the first film at all if looking this way.
Later life heartbreaking, unquestionably.
Crack
Only saving Grace was the score. With new themes written by John Williams, but conducted by Alexander Courage… yet the score sounds quite different compared to the original and parts 2&3 (with music adapted and conducted by Ken Thorne)
It also sounds different because it was played by a third rate orchestra rather than the London Symphony.
Also the opening subway scene was filmed in Milton Keynes train station
I went to see this at the cinema when it was first released. Before it there was a short film about nuclear science which was much more entertaining than Superman 4.
When I first saw it on television, I was shocked at how badly edited for television it was. I only later learned that no, the theatical film really was edited that badly.
William Hootkins, who portrayed Crime Lord Harry Howler in some scenes with Gene Hackman, who go on to be Eckhardt in BATMAN.
he was also Porkins in Star Wars Episode IV
@@sardaukar1977 He's also the cab driver in Trail of the Pink Panther, and Curse of the Pink panther; and the original voice of Dingodile.
$17 million budget with $30 million box office. Made money, compared to losses that Snyderverse films created.
Well, it did still lose money, because when it comes to movies, you have to earn 2.5 times the initial production budget back to break even. $17mil was the initial production budget, but then comes marketing, distribution, and sometimes theaters take a percentage of the earnings. So, it would’ve had to earn at least $42.5mil just to break even, let alone make a profit.
@@alltheinnocence They didn’t spend that much on marketing.
@@titowrestling Marketing budgets are typically 50-100% of the production budget and theaters take half. So even if we ignore marketing, the film still lost money. With marketing, it easily lost $10-20 million. Which these days is peanuts with big films losing $100-200+ million all the time.
They do now, but they didn’t as much back then and the filming company for Superman 4 slashed budgets.
I'd still like to see a restored director's cut of this film one day. I'm sure it won't be great, but it would be interesting.
I liked Street Smart. Saw it when it came out. Reeves was pretty good and Morgan Freeman was phenomenonal. That was the movie that put him on the map.
Yeah, Street Smart is a pretty good film. Plus there's a few scenes in it where you can see a Times Square billboard for Big Trouble in Little China. A bit ironic, since Chris Reeve would go on to work with John Carpenter in the Village Of The Damned remake.
Summer School was funny but didnt score with critics or most audiences.
Word!
I remember SS b/c of Courtney Thorne/Smith being cute as all get out!
RoboCop was also fire!!🔥
I never did or have seen this trash.
After Superman 3, I was done with this franchise.
I still say four is better than three
Wait, what
The STORY sure, but the ultra low budget SFX sink it BIG TIME!
I agree. Destroy superman!
Agreed
I'd get behind that, though I don't know if I've seen either one all the way through. At least Superman IV is still a Superman movie.
I was a kid, I don’t remember feeling like this was any different than the other ones
Should of finished it with Superman 3
Should've finished it at Superman the Movie. Even Superman 2 was a hack job directed by someone who was more interested in bad comedy than drama.
@@white-dragon4424 The snorefest
AGREED.But,at least Reeves got his pet project made and a hefty pay day by making no-4.
Should HAVE, Idiot.
@@kerry-j4mREEVE, Moron.
they gave the money to masters of the universe. this one used to be my favorite as a kid. it was the first superman movie i got to see in theaters. i was only 6
I was a Superman nut growing up. This was the first one I got to see in theaters. Three quarters of the way through the movie, the film malfunctioned and everyone was asked to leave. I didn’t even care. It was so bad, even as a kid, I was happy to leave. My mom didn’t even request a refund, we were all so relieved it was over. Such a wasted opportunity.
You could have asked for a refund, and used that money towards something better, like pizza, ice cream, video games.
@@shawbros Dude, the opportunity to leave the theatre immediately was reward enough.
Think it was far better than 3 and loved it as a kid. But it is, of course, nothing but a popcorn flick. Effect was obviously lacking...
Unfortunately this movie was on HBO way too often when I was a kid and didn’t know any better.
However, I’d rewatch this turd before attempting to watch Batman and Robin.
The. sale didn't include the Salkinds front projector system hence the bad FX
Havent we seen this before?? Is this a re-upload??
Honest trailer from the Sceen Junkies
The fact that someone thought they had intellectual property rights to such a generic idea as “Superman and Nukes” is ridiculous
Especially considering when it was made. It's not exactly a unique idea.
Clive Mantle: "All my scenes were cut?"
Sidney J. Furie: "You're welcome".
That Santa Clause movie with Dudley Moore is my favorite Christmas movie about Santa Claus.
@6:12 -That is NOT the railway station in Milton Keynes, it's the central BUS station. ✅
Superman II and III director Richard Lester was also offered but turned down Superman IV
Pretty tragic end to the Reeve series of movies.. Promises made to him by Cannon were NOT kept and poor Chris got stuck contractually making a Superman movie he knew was going to be awful and further damage his career..
Plus, horse, accident, nasty.
This was the first movie that I ever walked out on in a movie theater. It is absolutely awful! And I felt so bad for Christopher Reeve and Gene Hackman (as well as Margot Kidder and Jackie Cooper) for actually being in this colossal catastrophe of a so-called movie. I blame penny-pinching Israeli cheapskate producers Yoram Globus and Menahem Golan (of Cannon fame) for ultimately ruining the Superman franchise at this point. This film can’t hold a flame to the prestigious majesty of a classic that is Richard Donner’s “Superman The Movie.”
STOP.... STOP.... The People!!
I enjoyed it as a kid
This is the first I have heard about Wes Craven since I got interested in Superman retrospectives. Anyone got a detailed source about those creative differences?
Wait a minute now..... the Legend of BJ and Jewel of the Nile were both good movies!!!
I like Superman 4. It has the theme of getting rid of nuclear weapons. A wiser theme than most films have. Many nuclear experts (e.g. the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists) say that the risk of nuclear war now is higher than it was during the Cold War.
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Gets higher for every leftist”elected or appointed“
The 2 speeches he gives were really good, whereas the rest of the movie falls apart
I'd say that risk just jumped about 10x over the past couple days.
Superman 4 was so awful, but Superman 3.... Underrated
THANK YOU! I've always had this memory of seeing Snow White in theaters and now I know why. It's the first movie I remember seeing in one.
I remember seeing this in the theaters as a 6 year old. At the time I was so young that I didn't notice how "bad" it was, and even to this day, it's a film of my childhood and my brother and I LOVED the Superman movies, so despite the fact that I can see all these things NOW, I honestly don't care. To me it's still an enjoyable watch and while not as good as the first 2, I've seen WAY worse and to this day this is still a fun movie for me ❤
I like Superman 4. It's not GOOD, but it's entertaining. Unlike that snooze-fest Superman Returns.
Agree. Superman 4 is that type of bad you can have fun watching.
At least it tries to be fun.
I also prefer Superman IV over Superman III with Richard Pryor being annoying and Margot Kidder being replaced by Lana Lang character and the villain sucked
The Cannon Company is responsible for hurting Superman’s image and decades later, it got a remade of Superman Returns till after the Christopher Reeves death in 2005. Sad times, huh? 😢
BTW, the mostly unanticipated movie came already Joker 2 and now, it TANKED the box office already. The joke’s on WB and David Z, too. Yikes.
There is a lost bit of dialogue were Luthor asked Lenny to remember the kryptonite dust coated bolt cutters.
I remember dragging my mom to this when I was a little kid on opening day. I'm pretty sure we were the only people in the theater. I didn't hate it back then, as I was just happy to see a Superman movie in a theater. But after seeing it again as a teenager, I could not wrap my head around how terrible the whole thing was. Learning about how Cannon basically blew through most of their money on Masters of the Universe (an equally terrible film), it's no wonder A Quest for Peace was doomed to fail. I don't think it would have been a good movie, had the budget not been halved, but it might have had a chance of being tolerable. As is, it's a "so bad, you might chuckle a few times" kind of movie. At least Christopher Reeve was still the best Superman, even in the worst possible movie.
Budgeting apparently is the Quest for Pieces
Superman 3 was way worse, it was more of a Leslie Nielsen film then anything else. 4 had its issues do to Cannon Group screwing over not only Christopher Reeve's story, but his passion project. Still, despite its flaws I enjoyed and Nuclear Man is my all time favorite Superman villain. Sure he had a horrible weakness, but without it Supes would never have been able to beat him. And as far as I know Nuclear Man is the only live action villain to beat arguably the strongest Supes twice alone. First time nearly killing him, and he was just having fun and if it wasn't for that crystal he'd be dead. The second time, he buried Supes alive in the freaking Moon. I really hope they release a remastered version one.
They probs wildo at sompoint
This Movie Ruined The Franchise Forever.
Clive Mantle came to my school when I was very young and he was known for being a doctor in Casualty.
He said he was in this movie but I must have missed that his role was cut and for years I was confused when I saw Nuclear Man and thought “that doesn’t look anything like Clive”
When I saw the deleted scenes I was surprised that he even brought it up.
When I saw Superman 4 as a kid in the 80’s, I knew it wasn’t as good as the others, but I was 10 or 11 years old, so I didn’t fully grasp how bad it was. I tried to watch it recently, and it’s legitimately one of the worst things I’ve ever seen.
I met Mark Pillow (Nuclear Man) and he was very nice. I will say that while the movie doesn’t work as a whole the awkward fights are very entertaining.
What did in Superman IV?
1. Slashed budget.
2. Not using a different villain from the source material. Lex Luthor teaming with another villain? Ok, but no Parasite, Bizarro, Metallo, Toyman, Prankster or... Brainiac?
3. No attention to detail, most evident in visuals.
4. Rehashing some stuff from the 1st 2 movies.
5. Nuclear Man lands in Metropolis to capture Lacy, Superman confronts him, but lets him start messing things up!?!? And pleads with a retread line from Superman II!??!?
However, this IS the Superman movie that helped get me into the character (in my defense, the 1st 3 Superman movies were rented out from Blockbuster).
Super man 1 is a classic super man 2 great sequel bc it showed that super man had more than one super villain bad guy b4 I will find him zwag there was knee b4 zwag SM 3 was slow with less action so in my opinion dud 💩 and Sm4 I rather not watch jue to public opinion on how bad they say it is super man returns under rated should of been called super man V it was a direct follow up to the last one Brandon Roth really got the part for looking exactly like Christopher Reeve when he’s Clark kent Brandon Roth looks nothing like super man when be comes super man ya know am saying but all and all he did a great job apealing to a new generation including my 12 year old self at the time ❤💙 💛
lol strangely enough, I liked Superman IV...not a lot, but I didn't find it terrible. Then again I was a kid so I liked any kind of movie like this. I must have re-watched it over a dozen times (because we had it on Beta), but re-watching it as an adult, I can better understand where everybody is coming from. As for Canon, I liked Masters of the Universe better now than as a kid. I was severely disappointed in my youth, simply because it missed a lot of what the animated series presented, but I also appreciated how they took it a little more seriously. I hated the fact they went to Earth though...what a lame/cheap approach. Anyway, this is supposed to be about Superman lol...ah well, rest in peace Mr. Reeve. You're still the best Superman.
First time i saw Christopher Reeve in a film was in Gray Lady Down. He was young in that, Superman films were ok. Wish he was around now to stop all these bloody wars.
I hated the space battle. Showed him carrying someone back to earth from way too far out.
We’ll wear bloody less clothes then Tina !
i agree. When i was a kid, there never was a bad (C.R.) Superman. All 4 were great, and still are to me.😁
Cannon bought Elstree Studios to make money they sold have the studio so Tesco could build store there they had to demolish all the soundstages including the one built for the empire strikes back
Overextension was ruinous, unquestionably.
@@matthewdaley746 when Stephen Spielberg was making Indiana Jones said in an interview how appalled he was what cannon were doing gutting a great studio
@@neiltaylor6645Though, completely, unsurprised, sadly.
As the dull opening credits started... I was filled with dread at how the movie will run and end...left the theater filled with groans.
I enjoyed the movie as a kid. Of course years later I can see that it wasnt of the same ilk as Superman 2....however I also loved the 3rd one and the Super Computer battle scene at the end is one of my favs (along with evil Superman v Clark Kent). Who could forget the sidekick sister of Robert Vaughan being turned into the robot by the super computer...
4 excellent movies in my opinion.
This was the only one we had on vhs when I was a kid. No wonder I grew up thinking Superman sucked. 🤦
Hey, no dissing Dom DeLuise. He was awesome. If he wants an extra lunch, he can have an extra lunch ;)
It definitely has its flaws (which I attribute mostly due to obvious budgetary issues), and admittedly, I notice them A LOT more as an adult than I did as a kid. That said, as a kid (and still now, really), I always saw it as an adequate sequel, and I thought this new villain was actually pretty cool. I definitely liked it better than Supergirl, and to be honest, better than Superman returns. Like, yeah... I'd absolutely watch (and enjoy) IV again before either of those.
I saw Superman 4 at the cinema when I was a kid and was so annoyed at how bad it was. The action was awful, the cat fight between Superman and the Nuclear man was embarrassingly bad. This is from the guy who really liked the Supergirl movie.
I enjoyed it much more than Superman 3
"Cannon has gone down as the company that killed Superman!" This is the one I won't watch. The first three yeah, Part 4... no way.
Bad writing's responsible, unquestionably.
I actually enjoyed IV a lot. I was/am also a big Cannon film fan. Yep, I am one of those guys that actually likes bad movies. Some things I am over when it comes to a DC film. I am over watching Batman's parents getting killed every movie and I am over Zod. IV had a whacky premise, some fun humor and cool fights. I have watched it many times over the combined total of the other three. Cheers.
I kind of liked this one. Straight to the point, and it FELT like a Superman movie (unlike the 3rd)
Still better than 3. At least this one was actually about Superman. 🥴🥴
If it's any consolation, I effing loved Superman IV as a kid and had to have watched it at least 100 times. Christopher Reeve, may he rest well ❤️🩹
I've always felt that in Superman IV there's a good story in there somewhere trying to get out, but it's hampered by the horrendous production values. I wonder if it could be reedited and redone with new effects to where it was actually something good?
I'd love to see the 2 hour and 14 minute version, even if unfinished
4 has a much better storyline than 3 , give 4 the same budget,effects and production value as 3 and it could've been good.
If they used the correct budget to begin with Superman IV would've been a huge success and Cannon Film just might be in business today. Well it is what it is.
The time these films came out the special effects were just not up to the task of putting a massive battle like this to screen. Even in Superman 2 where they had good effects for the time the big battles between the Kryptonians were a disjointed mess of set pieces.
I loved this movie as a kid! Nothing will ever change that! 💯
Nuclear Man wasn't even really Nuclear powered. He was more like Solar Powered Man.
The sun produces energy via nuclear fusion of hydrogen atoms with other hydrogen atoms in its core, thus creating helium atoms & an incredible amount of heat.
This movie nearly killed off the Superman movie franchise
Superman IV was no cornier than Superman III. I personally love all 4 movies.
It was lots better than Superman III.
@@denizen53 Haha I like them both pretty well but to each their own. The beauty of art is that we can decide for ourselves what is canon and what is good or bad, and it's all personal.
For instance, I don't consider anything Star Wars after 1983 to be legitimate and that's my personal preference.
I still love this movie. My only complaint was that was it, it was short and didnt have more...
Back then few sequels were of interest, especially after 2. For some reason now, youngsters can watch 10 Spider-Man movies and not be bored.
Between Rocky 4 and Superman 4, y’all got it TWISTED
I do enjoy all Chris Reeve Superman movies. But it could definitely be fixed with today's tech. And improve the movie.
What I find crazy is that they wanted to use the delete scenes from 4 as the basic for 5, write new scenes and a story around those. That is the epitome of cheap - these scenes are not good enough for this film but don't get rid of them, we will use them in the next one 😂
To me, this movie was always going to fail and it is just a question of did the slashed budget ruin the story or was the story so bad that even a decent budget wouldn't have saved it. I imagine there is stuff they cut because of the low budget but the story is what it is and I don't think it was going to be good even with a better budget. Sure it wouldn't have looked as cheap with proper effects and such but good icing doesn't fix and under baked cake.
As a kid I loved superman,” 2 & 3.
2 is the best superman movie to date .
3 was enjoyable.
4 was pants
Here's a hot take: the premise of Superman IV was awesome: a paternalistic Superman doing what the world needed and a worthy foe to fight. The script erred by not having the world be more divided on Superman's actions.
When I was a kid living with my grandparents for some reason they only had the VHS tape of 1 and 4 so until I was a teenager i though 4 was the 2nd movie lol. They later got the DVD collection and I finally saw 2 and 3.
Wish there was a directors cut with those missing scenes and enhance effects only one can hope