This is definitely one of those remnants of the short-lived Chapek era of Disney. Disney wouldn't have bought this ship if it wasn't 41M compared to the 1.8B it took to construct. Too big of a deal to pass up I guess. I doubt this ship will ever touch US markets though and will remain for Asia markets.
No way would the domestic market accept this type of experience. Asian markets especially China don’t think twice about being crammed on top of each other.
It will as you said not touch the U.S. markets and remain in the Asian markets for cruising I think as you said (unless they market it as a way to visit the Asian parks depending on ports and closeness to said parks that we will have to wait and see. But with Disney owning parks in Hong kong (now technically part of china after we brits gave it up) Shanghai park, plus Tokyo parks, etc then I got to admit this would be a good expansion for Disney cruises to tap into that area, etc ...yep the ship maybe not be what the USUAL Disney cruise ship specs and designs are traditionally for the U.S and European cruise markets BUT THAT'S THE POINT In the East they have a different expectation and ethos in cruising than the west does so IF it helps Disney expand into that cruise market on the parks they already have there then good on them for buying the ship... 2025 is a few yrs of yet so we will have to wait and see ..
Ship price was to be around 2 Billions... Disney bought it for 41 Million... It is the best deal Disney ever have made. China, India and the rest of Asia is a MUCH bigger market than USA.
Macau generates 7 times the gambling revenue of Las Vegas. You'd be idiotic not to do business over there, because "it might damage the brand image". What does a ship in Asia have to do with how DCL is perceived in the US?
Disney could spend a billion dollars on changes and still have a bargain of a ship. I don’t think this ship will even come to any western counties because it isn’t needed there. It would be an easy and quick way to enter the Asian market with a single ship large enough to build itineraries for
Not for cruises. The USA is by far the largest market for cruisers. Hell the cruise capital of the world is Miami. Why do you think all new cruise ships head to the caribbean first. Cruise lines have tried and failed in Asia. Asians are just not like American cruisers they prefer short cruises to just eat and gamble,.
@@dennisd9914 yes we should compare two gambling cities to a family friendly cruise line, you’re the one that’s idiotic here. plus the vegas strip earned $3.2 billion with macau getting $2.9 billion. just look it up and stop spreading misinformation
It definitely feels like a "well we might as well buy it" type purchase. But Turning a profit on a half-price and near complete vessel is going to be easy, especially in the Asian market where demand for cruises is only increasing year on year. Plus, if it stays in that market is likely won't ever see US ports and few in the US will be aware of it, thus leaving the overall brand aesthetic untouched.
That's a heck of a good investment. Probably bought it for dirt cheap and the layout is ready for an Asian market. Sending an american ship over there and serving tacos is not gonna work. Business 101: market research!
yeah, i don't know what this guy talking. they clearly did their research to do this thing. also the ship isn't that ugly as he's saying. it's bland, but not horrendous.
I feel like you just told the most round-about definition of "selling out." Not giving a fuck about quality control and shitting out something utterly brainless to reap profits. As much as I absolutely hate everything that the Disney Wish stands for, pretending to be impressive when it's a glorified casino with how much they want to rip people off, that ship was actually made by Disney and had some Imagineer touches.For all its gaping flaws, I can at least say "someone gave a shit and tried thier best on a horrendous budget and terrible initial idea for an attraction." Given how this belonged to an entirely different company and is being bought on the cheap solely to make money, I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being the most generic cruise ship of all time. Given modern Disney, they'll just finish what isn't already completed and maybe slap on some IP branding before sending it to China. If they do add anything, it'll almost certainly be cloned; probably from the Wish.
They purchased this ship at an unbelievable bargain. Although it may be a little different from their usual design aesthetic, this ship is a virtual blank canvas that they can do with whatever they can dream up. I thought it was a great buy, and when they said they'd drop the guest capacity to a more manageable complement, I became more intrigued. Afterall, Disney has demonstrated a surprising willingness to stray from tradition much in recent years. Not necessarily a good thing, but we'll just have to wait and see.
THANK YOU JAKE! No one talks about how Disney cruise line is not just about a “Mickey Mouse Boat.” As someone who loves dcl for its aesthetics just as much as the experience, this ship was a kick in the balls for the branding. As much as I still love the older ships, it’s hard to feel confident in management when they make decisions like this without considering the brand as a whole and just see dollar signs.
The thing is, though - you will never travel on this boat. It is for people in China, not you. And they have none of the strong associations you have with a certain aesthetic for the ship (in fact they have zero awareness that Disney Cruises even exists in 99.99999% of cases).
@@Zveebo Exact same argument could be said for why Disney still structures their Asian theme parks off of Disneyland. Why not just open up a six flags style attraction under the Disney name since “they have none of the strong associations” anyway. (Ie why do they still have a castle or Main Street with designated lands instead of slapping down a bunch of thrill rides). Disney created a replicable brand identity that is synonymous with the quality service they provide. Seeing them cheapen the experience by taking the easy way out from a design viewpoint, isn’t a good look for the company no matter what market they are serving.
That said, $41M to buy it compared to the $1.8B it cost to build it was an absolute steal. I'm at least glad that something with such work and money put into it at least _has_ a home instead of just being wasted right before completion. Not saying it was an outright good decision, but it at least made it not all-for-naught, if that makes sense.
Jake please don’t stop with this channel! It’s been my favorite thing lately. Lots of other creators ditch their second channels after a few months. Please don’t do that
I’m going to commit to it for sure. But, uploads will be rather infrequent due to the complex nature of having to travel to make them. But I’ll try to get a video a month finished!
Honestly, I’m not that convinced that the brand impact will be all that significant, even if it ends up not being great compared with the current ships. The Chinese market is not familiar with the Disney Cruise brand, and that’s the only market that this ship is going to serve, so I think any brand impact will effectively be quarantined - and to be fair, this ship may serve the Chinese market well in a way that existing ships would not: that market has none of the associations with the golden age of cruise ships that Disney plays off of elsewhere.
The whole reason the Global Dream was so cheesy and overpacked is because it was for the Chinese market where they have little familiarity with cruising and are used to more heavily populated spaces. Disney has been investing in the Chinese market for about the last 10 years or so, and I wouldn't be surprised if they see this as another way to break in if they are indeed intending this for the East Asian audience.
@@QuintusAntonious I think there is zero doubt really that this will be used to serve the Chinese market. It’s pretty untapped at the moment, and while the Chinese are not familiar with DCL, they are very familiar with, and very positive about, Disney itself.
I thought Jake came across a bit too harsh in it. Disney wouldn't wreck their image by serving up something different to cater to a foreign market. I can appreciate that it maybe is not something to my taste but I don't really intensely dislike it or anything.
I’m completely with you. Something about this just feels so off and more in line with modern Disney in trying to worry more about cost and money than the product they’re trying to deliver.
I respect the viewpoint from others and hope for the same I feel Disney will make this ship big hit and others will be surprise If look ncl epic the ship looks bad I try it to be fair and guess what I still dislike the ship and feel it’s big mistake for ncl but I still respect the cruise line Give credit to Disney for saving the ship and willing to look out side the box I been on many ships and look at each one for style and entertainment I was on new msc seaside and love ❤️ It
Relative to past Disney they care more about the bottom line. By late capitalism standards where corporations care about nothing but extracting profit Disney cares more about the product. They are a luxury brand who strives to make everything quality. However in a society that produces garbage luxury brands like Disney need to do less and less to maintain that reputation.
@@richarddeason1845 I honestly don't get why people are making a fuss about the line image. They're serving an entirely different market, for a completely different culture. What's wrong with that? Do you expect Disney, a global company to not venture out and tailor its business to local tastes? Why is everyone like so shocked?
@@dennisd9914 I'm shocked that it has *six* funnels, I thought there was only three and that would've been much appreciated compared to other cruise ships, but uh no it's worse.
If it never leaves China I don’t see how it hurts anything. China is a completely different planet from a consumer perspective. Making a ship to serve that market, that volume of passengers makes total sense. Buying one 75% built for pennies strikes me as a genius move. I cruise Disney exclusively now and I am in no way bothered. They will probably do very well with that boat.
I should preface this by saying I don't think many ships can be considered beautiful as they are too intricate and large to have any smoothed out, pretty features like a car can, but I don't think the Global Dream is ugly. It's more simplistic, but I fail to see what is so inherently ugly about it. In fact, I think the bow of some of Disney's existing ships is too long and make it look like a giant underbite. Aesthetics aside, buying an existing large ship to serve a market that consists of over 2 billion people (Asia) is actually a smart move in my eyes. I agree that the ship doesn't fit into Disney's existing fleet, but given that they don't have any ships that sail in Asia, it's not disrupting any exiting fleet in the Pacific, rather this ship is the start of that fleet. Time will tell how much retrofitting Disney has to do to make the layout work, but I am optimistic so far. Disney turned a swampy wetland into Disney World, so I think they can manage one cruise ship.
it depends on what you find beautiful. Many ship nerds, including myself and I assume Jake, find ocean liners peak ship design. For me in particular, I love the art deco era of ships such as the Normandie and Queen Elizabeth 2, and disney has stuck with a quasi-art deco style on their ships, whereas the Global Dream is a complete kick in the face to this. It's just a slab of white, much like many modern cruise ships, it looks like a block of flats on a boat, which is why we all find it horendous.
@@2cv693 I guess I'm more of a nerd for visuals than ships then, because to me the smaller yachts, like the 70-120 feet long yachts are imo where all the beauty is. The 94ft Sunseekers? My lord!
I have heard that Disney bought this for a total of $45 Million on this, so it was an absolute steal considering the original price of construction. I'm a huge fan of DCL as well and I'm willing to give this a shot.
Bro we were on wonder of the seas last week and we were at full capacity and even with a ship as big as wonders it still felt extremely crowded. It was so crowded to the point that when we first got on the ship at 12, all the shows and specialty dinning was already fully booked for the entire week. Crowds everywhere and long lines. We still had a lot of fun but my point is if it felt like that on wonders, currently the biggest cruise ship in the world, I couldn’t imagine a even smaller ship with over 9K! Passengers 😳
Yeah I went on Wonders last summer and I was thinking the same thing. It felt like there were TOO many people at times, especially during certain events or at certain restaurants. I had a great time, don’t get me wrong, but I cannot possibly imagine stacking another 3,000 passengers on top of that!
Shanghai Disneyland has a pretty different aesthetic than other Disney parks, while definitely invoking familiar imagery. So in this case, I'm not surprised that DCL might be ok with a different ship design for the Asia market.
I thought it only had three funnels and I kinda liked the idea of a classic design that harkened back to one similar to the Queen Mary. Then Jake pointed out the design calls for six...
The six funnels just makes me want to die inside. Just. Put. 3. Whyyyyyy does it have to be two rows of 3? 😭 Like, seriously, I’m a big fan of ocean liner design and a bit of an outspoken proponent of bringing back the four-stackers of old. But two rows of ‘em? That kinda ruins that, no? How I wish it would be just one row of three…
I don't know much about cruising, but it's my understanding that casinos are pretty standard on them. Obviously, Disney has opted out of this thus far, but I have to wonder if this would have been the first Disney ship to include an actual casino since it would have catered to east Asia. I know it's not quite the same, but since Chapek was so interested in sports betting, I wouldn't have been surprised to see this ship test the waters (no pun intended) on the first Disney casino. If plans for something like this were in place, I doubt they would come to fruition now that Iger is back in, but I would have been really curious to see the public reaction to a Disney ship with gambling included, even if the west wasn't the intended audience.
It depends on which asian government takes the most interest. I bet China will be the most interested and they also probably don’t want gambling. But if another nation gives Disney cruises a bigger look, maybe we could see that. If this ends up happening might as well call the ship Disney Vegas.
I think you are right about the worries to the damage of the brand but if they keep the sip in the Asian Market that it was originally designed for I think it can by very successful and prove to be a huge financial win for the company.
Exactly, the whole point of going on a cruise is to get away from your life on land, but so many of these ships are trying to bring the land out to the sea to where you’re basically on a floating city.
True honestly, that’s why I never really wanted to go on those kind of ships like the Oasis class Royal Carribean ships, bigger ships mean more people which means more waiting for things
@@zallman7526 I always have a blast on royal Caribbean, only thing is if I wanna take a smaller ship I would plan for a month with better weather because I was on a smaller one (can’t remember the name) and we couldn’t dock on Royal Caribbean’s private island due to bad waves
Honestly this is the most sustainable thing. Would rather have Disney purchase at a discount a ship that almost already done instead of them building one from scratch especially if it’s for a market they don’t already have a ship for. This will be a learning opportunity
As someone living in asia, if i wanted to try out DCL, i have to take a 12 hour flight and another layover flight to one of the ports. Because cruises suggest you to fly in one day early before the cruise, travelling will take up to 2 days to just get to the port😅 so yea im excited that DCL is trying to target asia as their market, honestly we may not even care that much for the exterior just excited that DCL is finally coming to asia
I think one problem you may be making is thinking that people on a cruise care what the ship looks like. I'm not a cruise ship person, so perhaps I'm incorrect, but I would doubt that anyone cares what the ship looks like on the outside if it's nice on the inside, which is the only thing they'll see. Again, though, not a cruise ship person, so i could be wrong.
Most of them do not, but you'd be surprised by the amount of cruisers who are also into cruise ship design, or maritime design in general. I myself am. And again, that is the exception but not unusual per say.
Great take on this, thank you! NCL absolutely adores Pride of America.... when not pandemic times, she's their most money making ship, even fifteen years into service.
Actually this makes a few odd things fall into place. Recently at D23 in Sep 2022, Disney Announced their first sailings in Australia as “Australia and South Paciific cruises”. I’m a DVC member and we heard about this while on an Alaska trip. I personally prefer to use my DVC points on the cruise line. The dates and itineraries were not yet available tho. When they did come out, the only ship doing the sailings was the Wonder (my favorite along with her sister the Magic). The initial sailing was from Vancouver to Hawaii then Hawaii thru the South Pacific to Sydney. As exciting as the 15 night sailing from Hawaii to Sydney looked, we were disappointed because we were really interested in Australia cruises. Imagine our surprise when the Australia itineraries came out and they were just out to sea cruises. Short 3 or 4 day cruises with maybe a one day stop at some island but mostly at sea days. Clearly aimed at Aussies. It became very obvious that this was just a way for Disney to see if they could break into the Southeast Asian market for cruising. The South Pacific cruises were just repositioning cruises that paid the expenses of getting the ship and crew to Australia and back. Disney isnt going to commit any of their current ships to this market and it is too far away to really be profitable to sail a ship there and back during the fall/winter season this is happening. Noe we couldn’t get the Hawaii to Sydney sailing and I’m not flying halfway across the world to sail out of Sydney Harbour for 2 days then back in for another 2 days so we decided to do another trip, which is when I learned something else that is interesting. We decided on a British Isles Cruise but it was hard to find because for some odd reason there werent as many itineraries available for 2023. Imagine my surprise when I went to book and found out that the ship was the Dream. Disney never uses the large ships for these type of sailings because they just cant fill them up. Usually they use the smaller ships with multiple dates and the Dream and Fantasy stick to the Caribbean. But the Wonder will be out of position if it is on its way to Australia so it cant do multiple Northern European Itineraries. The Dream can roll up several smaller sailings of the Wonder into one sailing tho (Let’s hope the ports of call and tour providers can handle it tho). So now I hear that Disney is in the market for a large cruise ship almost completely built with an Asian design. Seems Disney may mean to expand permanently into the East for cruising including Australia, New Zealand with probably Hong Kong, China and possibly other Asian ports using a dedicated large cruise ship. I would assume a dedicated crew as well. It would be cheaper for them to have crew hiews mostly locally. They could avoid monsoon season by cruise out of the area at that time. Much more cost effective than sailing a ship that is already used most of the year and having to sail it half way across the world to give 4 or 5 night cruises to Aussies.
I believe that DCL will iterate on the design a few times and the create a budget friendly subsidiary cruise line with this ship. Being smaller than Oasis, let alone the recently revealed Icon, class but having more people doesn't lead to a luxury experience. Changing the cabins will be very expensive, which will reduce the financial benefits of this ship. That means tons of 2 person cabins. That's not conducive for the Disney market. For those reasons, I believe they'll eventually give up on calling it a DCL ship and create a budget subsidiary.
I don't sail DCL, I have way too many nights on Carnival to quit now but I agree 100% about this hurting their brand. I think the Wish class even is tarnishing their brand and it's a shame that it will be the most numerous of their ships.
I some people were theorizing that Disney buying this ship might have been part of a last ditch effort by Bob Chapek to save his job before he was outed as CEO. I honestly wouldn't be surprised.
Honestly, I am not completely surprised that Disney is willing to divert from their regular design language for the Asian market. After all, the romanisation of the old ocean liners isn't as prevalent in Asia.
I guess I don't understand why people get worked up about the way a ship looks from the outside. I'm much much much more interested in the interior of the ship, and the experience on board. Since that is what I'm going to spend the most time with and not look at it from the dock.
I have to agree with you, I don’t really like the ship. But just like the Wish, if I don’t like it I don’t have to sail on it. I could book a cruise on the Dream right now, and never go on the Wish or this ship in my life very easily. I don’t think it’s going to be detrimental to the brand or their reputation, especially if the Treasure and the other new ship end up being designed better than the Wish.
I heard that this purchase was Bob Chapek’s idea, to give him a good legacy and make people like him more. They bought the ship for 3% of the ships worth, and now I think Iger will not continue this project.
I mean given Chapek puts short term gains ahead of long term success, this doesn’t surprise me. He saw a cheap and easy way to enter the Asian market, and did what every normal CEO would do and take the opportunity. The problem is Disney is not a normal company, and thus cannot have a normal CEO, which I think Chapek didn’t realize till it was too late
I also heard this Chapek brought the ship to show the company was buying assets and to show growth but clearly that did not work out for him! However Iger now owns this and I think he might stick with it. Mainly due to the fact that the ship being built will bring back many jobs for the people who lost them due to Dream Cruises going bankrupt. We will see!
The biggest difference between Chapek and Iger is that Iger has better PR. Many decisions (although not this one) had been made by Iger but Chapek was blamed for it and the nickel and diming already started under Iger who's biggest achievements were buying up other brands and fit them into Disney. People have all forgotten Iger's Expedition Everest quote for example (something along the lines of "People don't come to the park for a rollercoaster that is themed to India or whatever, they come to the parks to see Arendelle and meet Anna and Elsa")
@@CesarinPillinGaming I hate to be the one to say this, but most of the mistakes and design of Wish were done under Iger so don't expect improvements. .
I think we ought to give them a bit of grace and wait to see some renderings. Sure, the exterior design of the ship is not changable, but they have all the freedom in the world to make the interior full Disney. I think this ship has the chance to be something really spectacular.
Exactly. I think Jake and most of the comments indicate an amazing blindness (or simpleness . No one says DCL will complete this as a 9,000 passenger vessel and they could rip every fitting out and refit it their style. Some people are so blinkered in their thinking.
@@xr6lad Yeah and from the get go is a ship built for a different market. The point about being too crowded or too Asian is just completely moot. The layout is designed with the Asian market in mind, and somehow it's a "wrong ship design". I just see it as they having their own ways of doing things, nothing wrong with that.
If they really re-build the Global Dream and make it look just the concept art, they should name it Disney Miracle because it would be a miracle if anyone would actually want to sail on it.
The mockup ship design with Cinderella's Castle atop it just made me spit out my Triscuts and Diet Coke while choking and laughing. After the day I've had, I really needed this. Intentional or not, thank you! LOL!
I think this could be amazing! I cant wait to see what they can do with this much space. Yeah its not built by them but I dont think it really matters with the state it's in. From the pics it looks like the outside is done but it's pretty much empty on the inside. It's not going to be hard gutting the interior and basically starting from scratch. Of engineers are able to completely gut buildings and give them a totally new floor plan I imagine they can do the same to a ship.
Where are you finding pictures of the ships insides? I'm skeptical. The rooms in cruise ships are prefabricated, modified cargo containers. They are slid into the ship during construction. You can see the holes where the rooms are placed in one of the pictures in the video, and toward the back of the ship many of those rooms are already completed. I would also expect all the inside cabins to have been placed, especially where the completed outside cabins are already visible. Since the rooms basically cargo shipping containers, you can't just go cutting holes into their sides or removing walls to connect them to make bigger rooms and reduce capacity. It ruins their structural integrity.
@@dzonikg Incorrect, there is a problem. Source: "Why shipping container homes are overrated" by Vox at 5:12 That's one shipping container, on land. Now imagine stacking hundreds of them together on a ship. That's a problem.
I visited MV Werften in the summer and i remember the guide telling us how this massive hunk of metal will most likely be scrapped before its finished because noone wants it. Crazy to think that i might be able to drive up there again in a couple of years and see a disney cruise ship come out of that warft.
Based on bulls times of cruise ships being anywhere from 1.5 to 2 years for ships with similar tonnage to the Wish, it seems that Disney is virtually building a new ship. I would guess that the Global Dream is 6 months too a year from delivery. However, Disney is launching this ship in 2025, that combined with the fact that they’re cutting the capacity down to 6k makes it seem like they’re not just buying a product, putting mouse ears on it and calling it Disney. I believe that great thought will be our into this project. Plus, the Asian market cares equally, if not more about immersion than North America, so hopefully that ensure that this ship won’t be half baked and watered down.
With what money? 9:44 and that doesn't raise a red flag with you? We got a recession coming up with crash in every industry and the cruise liners said, "no thank you."
A 360 degree turn puts you on the same heading as before. I think you meant a 180. 😉 I'm reserving judgment until I see how they redesign the Global Dream. I would not be surprised if they restructure the cabins to be less dense.
Having cruised DCL 8 times now, I'd have no desire for this ship or the Wish, frankly. We prefer the two original smaller ships still, even with their aging related issues. Bigger ships are not necessarily better. We cruised on one of the RCL mega ships because we were curious and really didn't care for it or the number of people on board. There's more stuff to do but you're usually waiting in lines for it.
The pride of America is kind of of a small, older, cozy ship. But look at the itinerary and the views it provides. When I went on it we passed the lava flow on the big island and the wind was blowing the steam inland so we were able to get closer than usual which provided an amazing view of the lava pouring in to the ocean all from the comfort of my balcony while enjoying a drink and joint. Then when we sailed up the na pali coast we could see whales breaching. I think they have to use a smaller ship because it's hard to get people to fly all the way to Hawaii to get on a cruise. When I took it, I lived in hawaii 10 minutes from where it left honolulu.
Thats not how business works. Just because the ship isnt cookie cutter with the reat of their ships doesnt mean it will damage the brand. They got this for a bargain. To save 1.9 billion in construction, they made some sacrifices
Agree with you on the original design of the first few Disney ships, quite unique. As an insider involved in the original project its not only the amazing discount on the purchase price, Disney also skip the multi year waiting list for a new build. Regarding the 75% I've seen the 3d CAD models and I believe its more like 80% so any changes to the layout would be expensive and time consuming at this stage but there is loads of scope to change branding, materials and colours of the fittings. Another interesting detail, the 9000 pax capacity is only possible as each cabin was conceived with the Chines market in mind, i.e. Parents, child and Grandparent/nanny. So each cabin has a potential occupancy of 5.
Cabins like that would be smart for a brand so family focused as Disney, as it is unless you get a bigger and much more expensive stateroom you're kinda out of luck unless you only have like 1 kid or maybe 2 smaller ones
Im from Rostock (the biggest City in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern and one Locations of the MV Werften) and im really Kind of proud that this ship gets finished now and to See my hometown in an international Video lol
Hey i live near Wismar were the Ship is located from informations i have from a friend thats in the shipyard there Disney want to make major changes and invest about a billion euros into it. They even want to switch the engine. Its planned to be finished in 2025.
I don’t think other ships in the fleet are a concern to many customers. That would be like a business class airline traveler basing their decisions on the specs of an economy seat. At the end of the day this ship is built to serve a different sector of the market, so I don’t expect it will be a factor customers will consider unless they are weighing taking a vacation on this ship specifically.
If the Disney Cruise Line was banking in explosive Asian (and specifically Chinese) tourism then they are in for yet another problem. In 2023, Chinese tourism has taken a huge hit and doesn't look likely to even recover back to its 2019 peaks. So this ship will be entering service about 5-10 years too late.
9:58 The Disney Adventure looks cool. But I'm pretty sure Carnival will sue them for copying the Bolt Ultimate Sea Coaster. Y'all can't tell me that design looks the exact same as the Bolt.
I think from a money making perspective, this is a great idea to include the Asian/Pacific market to their fleet. I don’t think that the people in that area will be too concerned about the look of the ship, as 1. The ship was designed for an Asian cruise line anyways and 2. It will give this ship a distinct identity as being the “Asian exclusive” ship. To me, it’s a solid idea.
I don' think the Global Dream is necessarily ugly, it's just kind of mid. It's no Norwegian Epic with a big square in front of it, or whatever the mess that is going on with Icon of the Seas is. It's just kind of boring. Now the actual contents of the ship just look like someone mangled up an Oasis class ship and slapped as many cabins as physically possible into it. I doubt Disney can truly "fix" this vessel.
As a Chinese myself, I would say, since the mean focus of this vessel is in China, Disney probably made a good decision and saved tons of money, instead of build a brand new one. In the end, not many Chinese really care or even know about the authentic Disney culture, most of them, I'll say more than 98% of them, don't care about about the Disney culture. Do you know who is the most popular character in Shanghai Disneyland? Not Mickey, not Minnie, not Donald not Daisy not Woody not Cinderella not Ariel not anyone you could think of. Let me tell you, it's StellaLou and Linabell! Those two characters are new crews from Daffy and Friends, which even the main character Duffy is not so famous except in Japan. And the Chinese are crazy about those two, so crazy that Disney decided to put them in the centre of the show, Micky and Minnie can only stand behind them. So, do they need an authentic Disney dream cruise? No, as long as it's from Disney, that's good. I think Disney knows it well, so why design and build a huge vessel from scratch when you can buy an almost finished one for a steal price and start making money from there?
Those cruises with the stupid lobbies that go up to the top deck and have plants and act like cities on the sea are so stupid. The Wish is probably the biggest a cruise ship, should ever be.
If they can get a reasonable deal on the ship to get into service it won't have a negative impact on the brand. The Asian market is heavily in visiting multiple destinations and as long as there's things to do on board it will be fine
I wonder if Disney could use this as an opportunity to create a branch brand of their cruises. Rather than classy luxury, it could be an opportunity to go fun and playful, and see how the market responds to the branch branding.
This is going to end up being a Genius financial move, Jake…that’s ALL the current Disney management cares about! Money! Also, since it’s going to be exclusive to Asia, they can even brand it under a different cruise line name, if they choose, not unlike Royal Caribbean with their Celebrity and Azamara lines
I’m cautiously optimistic. Just like how Shanghai Disneyland is very different from other Disney castle parks but draws inspiration from them, I think this has the potential to be a beautiful ship that caters to the Asian market while still bringing touches of Disney. Just because it’s different from what Westerners are used to doesn’t mean that it’s bad. Disney’s own track record with trying to force Western design ideas in Asian markets (looking at you, Hong Kong Disneyland) has not worked out well for them. As Bob Iger would say, this gives them the opportunity to create something that’s “Distinctly Disney, authentically Chinese”
I think a cruise ship sounds like a terrible vacation, being upselled up the butt would get on my nerves. I do admire your passion for these big azz boats and it makes entertaining videos even if not something i would do.
I definitely see your points here, all very valid concerns, I will say in my mind though that the Wish was already the departure. The previous four had style of their own, beautiful design, but also had (at the time) standard cruise ship deck layouts. The Wish attempted to even reinvent those and came up short or worse, annoying. Looking at you, missing center bank of elevators. (And not much seems to be different with Treasure so far.) It seems the biggest issue going forward is the strictly ship design parts, so maybe adopting a more contemporary design might resolve those issues at least. Plus, I was disappointed the size of the Wish was not much bigger than Dream class. In a world of RCL mega-ships, Disney having one in the game is exciting to say the least. It’s an outlier as you say but purposefully so to stand out as “the big one.” Hopefully the style can meet or overcome the size though. It’s maybe weirdly fortunate that a mostly complete mega ship found its way into their hands, that doesn’t happen everyday, but that is something that time will tell. Who knows, it’s just sad we’ll never see one of the fleet pull up to Castaway Cay. (And if there’s a casino onboard, I will spew.)
Me 1 month ago before I found this channel: cruise ships are cool I guess but I don't really have strong opinions about them. Me now: *pounds fists on table after slamming back third shot of whiskey* WHEN. WILL. DCL. GET. MORE. COHESIVE. DESIGN. LANGUAGE.
Firstly the exterior or rather deck areas are currently still under construction and Disney have stated they are not having the theme park level or the race track as shown in the original plans/images. It’ll be toned down and fit the Disney theme when finished. It’ll also never see the light of day state side and instead will live it’s life in Asia, possibly Europe on occasion. I think Disneys original budget for the Wish was $1.8b and this has cost less than $50m plus a similar amount to fit it out, it’s a no brainier on their part in my opinion and the Asian market will sell it out every cruise, that’ll see a return on their investment long before they see one on their other ships.
Finally! Also I might be wrong, but I heard this new ship will be called Disney Atlas. Also also, at first I thought there were three funnels… but I never looked closer at the concept art. 6 funnels?! Is she trying to beat the Great Eastern (plz make a video about it) in amount of funnels?!
I'm interested to know where you heard this. Was it insider information? Either way, if Disney Atlas does end up being the name, then solid choice. It only makes sense, given the ship's massive size especially in comparison to the rest of the fleet. If it gets picked over Surprise (which is what I have in mind), I won't be complaining. Also, yeah, the six funnels. Looks awful: the first time I looked at this I also thought it was three. Six wouldn't have been as bad if they were lined up end to end. 😅Then again, to pull that off, they'd probably need to shrink them down a whole lot. Still quite the achievement though.
the first 4 ships were so beautiful, it breaks my heart that this is what the ships are becoming:( it feels like every year disney becomes less passionate and intricate with their designs and projects
@austinreed7343 Yep. The only way to fix Disney as a whole is boot iger and his lakeys out. Peltz isn't perfect but his track record tells me he can fix it if given the ammunition to do so.
Is it ugly? Well yeah. But it looks nearly identical to all the other floating mega-hotels out there, once you take their flamboyant paint off. Give me a well-designed smaller vessel any day.
I think Disney will be going in a different direction with the ships in the future, I’m so thankful for getting to go on the dream twice, I think it was an experience that other lines can not replicate
I think the idea of a “theme park” on the ship is a great opportunity. Now they can build there Disney Sea park that is on the ship instead on around it. And we can stay far far away from aquamouse
Actually seems like a smart move to serve a market with three Disney theme parks. I know this is a year old and we now know they will carry only 6,000 passengers, have no casino and the ship will sport only two sets of two funnels. I think the brand is safe enough.
Clearly Disney is going to get canceled if they keep making weird decisions and more remakes of classics. But they are still making classics cus people are stills buying tickets to see em. 🤦♂️ Let me know about your opinions in the reply’s. Do you agree or disagree? Also do you think Disney will go bankrupt with the choices they are making?
It may not be the most aesthetic, but dang the potential! I can see why they jumped at the deal, I mean, pennies compared to the billion+ it took to construct! They can easily eat the couple hundred mil in reno costs without even coming close to the 1bil+ construction cost! I hope this runs for more than the Asian sectors, as it'd be a cool ship to take a cruise on with its own roller coasters and sh1t :D
I’m sure that Disney will bring it up to “Disney” standards. But this probably will bring about a new class of ship for Disney. I’m interested in the name. Idk why but the thought of the words pixie dust, memory, elegance, emphatic, enchant(but Royal Caribbean uses that so idk), endeavor(for crossing the world or something like that. Or my personal favorite thought, the Disney Epic.
Maybe I'm just ignorant, but I'm struggling to see why this is a such a huge problem. It really isn't that ugly. Besides, the way the hull looks is probably one of the least important aspects.
I at first thought it was 3 funnels (which isn't too bad tbh). I didn't know it was 3 on EACH SIDE. That is so bad! Big funnels need to be in a line, not side-by-side.
This reminds me how the Hamburg America Line's Imperator-class liners ended up after WW1 in the service of Cunard (Berengaria), White Star (Majestic) and US Lines (Leviathan) -- I think it could work well for Disney and that reworking an existing design while not ideal compared to a clean-sheet design could end up a more interesting design.
I think Disney understands that the Chinese market experiences "Disney" differently than any other market. And they have placed this ship accordingly it is 100 percent a cash grab. I can't see this ship sailing to any ports outside of China and southeast Asia. And I don't see this pulling any of the Japanese market. So they figured we can spend half as much throw some Disney tech at it and have a portion of a new segment. I can't see this ship not having a casino so in reality this is a Disney ship in name only.
I think the features coming on new ships are awesome. But I can't over how that means you also have to be on a floating thing with 8,999 other people. I think the populations on cruise ships the size of the disney dream is too damn many
This is definitely one of those remnants of the short-lived Chapek era of Disney. Disney wouldn't have bought this ship if it wasn't 41M compared to the 1.8B it took to construct. Too big of a deal to pass up I guess. I doubt this ship will ever touch US markets though and will remain for Asia markets.
Iger has better PR, but has and had many of the same strategies as Chapek had.
No way would the domestic market accept this type of experience. Asian markets especially China don’t think twice about being crammed on top of each other.
Disney is you going to spend a billion on it.
It will as you said not touch the U.S. markets and remain in the Asian markets for cruising I think as you said (unless they market it as a way to visit the Asian parks depending on ports and closeness to said parks that we will have to wait and see. But with Disney owning parks in Hong kong (now technically part of china after we brits gave it up) Shanghai park, plus Tokyo parks, etc then I got to admit this would be a good expansion for Disney cruises to tap into that area, etc ...yep the ship maybe not be what the USUAL Disney cruise ship specs and designs are traditionally for the U.S and European cruise markets BUT THAT'S THE POINT In the East they have a different expectation and ethos in cruising than the west does so IF it helps Disney expand into that cruise market on the parks they already have there then good on them for buying the ship... 2025 is a few yrs of yet so we will have to wait and see ..
@@bcc5701 That's some orientalism bullshit right there. Stereotypes... (yawn)
Ship price was to be around 2 Billions... Disney bought it for 41 Million... It is the best deal Disney ever have made. China, India and the rest of Asia is a MUCH bigger market than USA.
Macau generates 7 times the gambling revenue of Las Vegas. You'd be idiotic not to do business over there, because "it might damage the brand image". What does a ship in Asia have to do with how DCL is perceived in the US?
Disney could spend a billion dollars on changes and still have a bargain of a ship. I don’t think this ship will even come to any western counties because it isn’t needed there. It would be an easy and quick way to enter the Asian market with a single ship large enough to build itineraries for
Not for cruises. The USA is by far the largest market for cruisers. Hell the cruise capital of the world is Miami. Why do you think all new cruise ships head to the caribbean first. Cruise lines have tried and failed in Asia. Asians are just not like American cruisers they prefer short cruises to just eat and gamble,.
This is the only Disney ship I would go on…. It’s big it’s got soo much to offer. Who cares if it doesn’t look like a classic ocean liner
@@dennisd9914 yes we should compare two gambling cities to a family friendly cruise line, you’re the one that’s idiotic here. plus the vegas strip earned $3.2 billion with macau getting $2.9 billion. just look it up and stop spreading misinformation
It definitely feels like a "well we might as well buy it" type purchase. But Turning a profit on a half-price and near complete vessel is going to be easy, especially in the Asian market where demand for cruises is only increasing year on year. Plus, if it stays in that market is likely won't ever see US ports and few in the US will be aware of it, thus leaving the overall brand aesthetic untouched.
That's a heck of a good investment. Probably bought it for dirt cheap and the layout is ready for an Asian market. Sending an american ship over there and serving tacos is not gonna work. Business 101: market research!
yeah, i don't know what this guy talking. they clearly did their research to do this thing.
also the ship isn't that ugly as he's saying. it's bland, but not horrendous.
@@kylestephens9593 it's pretty fucking ugly lol. nothing aesthetically pleasing on it
@@proceo6872 perhaps i'm not into ships, for me it's okey looking.
I feel like you just told the most round-about definition of "selling out." Not giving a fuck about quality control and shitting out something utterly brainless to reap profits. As much as I absolutely hate everything that the Disney Wish stands for, pretending to be impressive when it's a glorified casino with how much they want to rip people off, that ship was actually made by Disney and had some Imagineer touches.For all its gaping flaws, I can at least say "someone gave a shit and tried thier best on a horrendous budget and terrible initial idea for an attraction." Given how this belonged to an entirely different company and is being bought on the cheap solely to make money, I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being the most generic cruise ship of all time. Given modern Disney, they'll just finish what isn't already completed and maybe slap on some IP branding before sending it to China. If they do add anything, it'll almost certainly be cloned; probably from the Wish.
They purchased this ship at an unbelievable bargain. Although it may be a little different from their usual design aesthetic, this ship is a virtual blank canvas that they can do with whatever they can dream up. I thought it was a great buy, and when they said they'd drop the guest capacity to a more manageable complement, I became more intrigued. Afterall, Disney has demonstrated a surprising willingness to stray from tradition much in recent years. Not necessarily a good thing, but we'll just have to wait and see.
THANK YOU JAKE! No one talks about how Disney cruise line is not just about a “Mickey Mouse Boat.” As someone who loves dcl for its aesthetics just as much as the experience, this ship was a kick in the balls for the branding. As much as I still love the older ships, it’s hard to feel confident in management when they make decisions like this without considering the brand as a whole and just see dollar signs.
The thing is, though - you will never travel on this boat. It is for people in China, not you. And they have none of the strong associations you have with a certain aesthetic for the ship (in fact they have zero awareness that Disney Cruises even exists in 99.99999% of cases).
@@Zveebo Exact same argument could be said for why Disney still structures their Asian theme parks off of Disneyland. Why not just open up a six flags style attraction under the Disney name since “they have none of the strong associations” anyway. (Ie why do they still have a castle or Main Street with designated lands instead of slapping down a bunch of thrill rides). Disney created a replicable brand identity that is synonymous with the quality service they provide. Seeing them cheapen the experience by taking the easy way out from a design viewpoint, isn’t a good look for the company no matter what market they are serving.
It reminds me of the castle at Shanghai Disney... just a large eyesore.
That said, $41M to buy it compared to the $1.8B it cost to build it was an absolute steal. I'm at least glad that something with such work and money put into it at least _has_ a home instead of just being wasted right before completion. Not saying it was an outright good decision, but it at least made it not all-for-naught, if that makes sense.
Disney? Only chasing dollar signs? Oh no, say it ain't so!
Jake please don’t stop with this channel! It’s been my favorite thing lately. Lots of other creators ditch their second channels after a few months. Please don’t do that
I’m going to commit to it for sure. But, uploads will be rather infrequent due to the complex nature of having to travel to make them. But I’ll try to get a video a month finished!
Honestly, I’m not that convinced that the brand impact will be all that significant, even if it ends up not being great compared with the current ships.
The Chinese market is not familiar with the Disney Cruise brand, and that’s the only market that this ship is going to serve, so I think any brand impact will effectively be quarantined - and to be fair, this ship may serve the Chinese market well in a way that existing ships would not: that market has none of the associations with the golden age of cruise ships that Disney plays off of elsewhere.
agreed. most people don't know much about the Disney cruise line, especially people in China
Exactly this. It's a different product and not even the same line except in name, I'm guessing.
The whole reason the Global Dream was so cheesy and overpacked is because it was for the Chinese market where they have little familiarity with cruising and are used to more heavily populated spaces. Disney has been investing in the Chinese market for about the last 10 years or so, and I wouldn't be surprised if they see this as another way to break in if they are indeed intending this for the East Asian audience.
@@QuintusAntonious I think there is zero doubt really that this will be used to serve the Chinese market. It’s pretty untapped at the moment, and while the Chinese are not familiar with DCL, they are very familiar with, and very positive about, Disney itself.
I thought Jake came across a bit too harsh in it. Disney wouldn't wreck their image by serving up something different to cater to a foreign market. I can appreciate that it maybe is not something to my taste but I don't really intensely dislike it or anything.
I’m completely with you. Something about this just feels so off and more in line with modern Disney in trying to worry more about cost and money than the product they’re trying to deliver.
I respect the viewpoint from others and hope for the same
I feel Disney will make this ship big hit and others will be surprise
If look ncl epic the ship looks bad
I try it to be fair and guess what I still dislike the ship and feel it’s big mistake for ncl but I still respect the cruise line
Give credit to Disney for saving the ship and willing to look out side the box
I been on many ships and look at each one for style and entertainment
I was on new msc seaside and love ❤️ It
Relative to past Disney they care more about the bottom line. By late capitalism standards where corporations care about nothing but extracting profit Disney cares more about the product. They are a luxury brand who strives to make everything quality. However in a society that produces garbage luxury brands like Disney need to do less and less to maintain that reputation.
@@richarddeason1845 I honestly don't get why people are making a fuss about the line image. They're serving an entirely different market, for a completely different culture. What's wrong with that? Do you expect Disney, a global company to not venture out and tailor its business to local tastes? Why is everyone like so shocked?
@@richarddeason1845 Oh yeah because Disney have been dishing out nothing but hits the last couple of years
@@dennisd9914 I'm shocked that it has *six* funnels, I thought there was only three and that would've been much appreciated compared to other cruise ships, but uh no it's worse.
If it never leaves China I don’t see how it hurts anything. China is a completely different planet from a consumer perspective. Making a ship to serve that market, that volume of passengers makes total sense. Buying one 75% built for pennies strikes me as a genius move. I cruise Disney exclusively now and I am in no way bothered. They will probably do very well with that boat.
I should preface this by saying I don't think many ships can be considered beautiful as they are too intricate and large to have any smoothed out, pretty features like a car can, but I don't think the Global Dream is ugly. It's more simplistic, but I fail to see what is so inherently ugly about it. In fact, I think the bow of some of Disney's existing ships is too long and make it look like a giant underbite.
Aesthetics aside, buying an existing large ship to serve a market that consists of over 2 billion people (Asia) is actually a smart move in my eyes. I agree that the ship doesn't fit into Disney's existing fleet, but given that they don't have any ships that sail in Asia, it's not disrupting any exiting fleet in the Pacific, rather this ship is the start of that fleet. Time will tell how much retrofitting Disney has to do to make the layout work, but I am optimistic so far. Disney turned a swampy wetland into Disney World, so I think they can manage one cruise ship.
it depends on what you find beautiful. Many ship nerds, including myself and I assume Jake, find ocean liners peak ship design. For me in particular, I love the art deco era of ships such as the Normandie and Queen Elizabeth 2, and disney has stuck with a quasi-art deco style on their ships, whereas the Global Dream is a complete kick in the face to this. It's just a slab of white, much like many modern cruise ships, it looks like a block of flats on a boat, which is why we all find it horendous.
@@2cv693at this point we have finished the era of beautifull ships.
@@2cv693 I guess I'm more of a nerd for visuals than ships then, because to me the smaller yachts, like the 70-120 feet long yachts are imo where all the beauty is. The 94ft Sunseekers? My lord!
I disagree they can still be beautiful and this thang is ugly
I have heard that Disney bought this for a total of $45 Million on this, so it was an absolute steal considering the original price of construction. I'm a huge fan of DCL as well and I'm willing to give this a shot.
Bro we were on wonder of the seas last week and we were at full capacity and even with a ship as big as wonders it still felt extremely crowded. It was so crowded to the point that when we first got on the ship at 12, all the shows and specialty dinning was already fully booked for the entire week. Crowds everywhere and long lines. We still had a lot of fun but my point is if it felt like that on wonders, currently the biggest cruise ship in the world, I couldn’t imagine a even smaller ship with over 9K! Passengers 😳
Chinese people would love cruises like that
@@stellviahohenheim definitely. Look at their public baths. You cant even move in them once you are in the water
Yeah I went on Wonders last summer and I was thinking the same thing. It felt like there were TOO many people at times, especially during certain events or at certain restaurants. I had a great time, don’t get me wrong, but I cannot possibly imagine stacking another 3,000 passengers on top of that!
@@AbuHajarAlBugattido they actually enjoy being crowded? Or just used to it?
@@em84c probably second
Shanghai Disneyland has a pretty different aesthetic than other Disney parks, while definitely invoking familiar imagery. So in this case, I'm not surprised that DCL might be ok with a different ship design for the Asia market.
I thought it only had three funnels and I kinda liked the idea of a classic design that harkened back to one similar to the Queen Mary. Then Jake pointed out the design calls for six...
The six funnels just makes me want to die inside. Just. Put. 3. Whyyyyyy does it have to be two rows of 3? 😭
Like, seriously, I’m a big fan of ocean liner design and a bit of an outspoken proponent of bringing back the four-stackers of old. But two rows of ‘em? That kinda ruins that, no? How I wish it would be just one row of three…
I don't know much about cruising, but it's my understanding that casinos are pretty standard on them. Obviously, Disney has opted out of this thus far, but I have to wonder if this would have been the first Disney ship to include an actual casino since it would have catered to east Asia. I know it's not quite the same, but since Chapek was so interested in sports betting, I wouldn't have been surprised to see this ship test the waters (no pun intended) on the first Disney casino. If plans for something like this were in place, I doubt they would come to fruition now that Iger is back in, but I would have been really curious to see the public reaction to a Disney ship with gambling included, even if the west wasn't the intended audience.
It depends on which asian government takes the most interest. I bet China will be the most interested and they also probably don’t want gambling. But if another nation gives Disney cruises a bigger look, maybe we could see that. If this ends up happening might as well call the ship Disney Vegas.
Are you ever planning on talking about the Disney Cruise Line?
Can’t wait to see your future video, “my experience on the (Global Dream) was so bad , I apologize for everything negative I ever said about the Wish”
I think you are right about the worries to the damage of the brand but if they keep the sip in the Asian Market that it was originally designed for I think it can by very successful and prove to be a huge financial win for the company.
I have always felt big cruise ships to be really dystopian
Exactly, the whole point of going on a cruise is to get away from your life on land, but so many of these ships are trying to bring the land out to the sea to where you’re basically on a floating city.
@@stevencramsie9172Its a shamr Ocean liners went out of business
True honestly, that’s why I never really wanted to go on those kind of ships like the Oasis class Royal Carribean ships, bigger ships mean more people which means more waiting for things
@@conman087 I was just on Allure and it was unreal. But I love big ships just as well as smaller ones.
@@zallman7526 I always have a blast on royal Caribbean, only thing is if I wanna take a smaller ship I would plan for a month with better weather because I was on a smaller one (can’t remember the name) and we couldn’t dock on Royal Caribbean’s private island due to bad waves
I wouldn't mind a Bright Sun Commentary or more travel industry commentary on the channel.
Honestly this is the most sustainable thing. Would rather have Disney purchase at a discount a ship that almost already done instead of them building one from scratch especially if it’s for a market they don’t already have a ship for. This will be a learning opportunity
5:15 a 360 degree turn? So... they're facing the same way as when they started? A complete circle?
lol its funny how often people say that instead of 180 when using that phrase
As someone living in asia, if i wanted to try out DCL, i have to take a 12 hour flight and another layover flight to one of the ports. Because cruises suggest you to fly in one day early before the cruise, travelling will take up to 2 days to just get to the port😅 so yea im excited that DCL is trying to target asia as their market, honestly we may not even care that much for the exterior just excited that DCL is finally coming to asia
Proof Asians Will consume anything
I think one problem you may be making is thinking that people on a cruise care what the ship looks like. I'm not a cruise ship person, so perhaps I'm incorrect, but I would doubt that anyone cares what the ship looks like on the outside if it's nice on the inside, which is the only thing they'll see. Again, though, not a cruise ship person, so i could be wrong.
I can definitely understand that. Although I fear what’s on the inside will also carry over as well.
Well, I’m not interested in NCL Epic because that ship is hella ugly. 😂 Plus this ship completely misses the elegance of Disney ships.
Most of them do not, but you'd be surprised by the amount of cruisers who are also into cruise ship design, or maritime design in general. I myself am. And again, that is the exception but not unusual per say.
Great take on this, thank you! NCL absolutely adores Pride of America.... when not pandemic times, she's their most money making ship, even fifteen years into service.
Cruise fan: Disney is neglecting the design and attention to detail that established them in search of fast cash
Parks fan: First time?
Actually this makes a few odd things fall into place.
Recently at D23 in Sep 2022, Disney Announced their first sailings in Australia as “Australia and South Paciific cruises”.
I’m a DVC member and we heard about this while on an Alaska trip. I personally prefer to use my DVC points on the cruise line. The dates and itineraries were not yet available tho.
When they did come out, the only ship doing the sailings was the Wonder (my favorite along with her sister the Magic). The initial sailing was from Vancouver to Hawaii then Hawaii thru the South Pacific to Sydney. As exciting as the 15 night sailing from Hawaii to Sydney looked, we were disappointed because we were really interested in Australia cruises.
Imagine our surprise when the Australia itineraries came out and they were just out to sea cruises. Short 3 or 4 day cruises with maybe a one day stop at some island but mostly at sea days. Clearly aimed at Aussies.
It became very obvious that this was just a way for Disney to see if they could break into the Southeast Asian market for cruising. The South Pacific cruises were just repositioning cruises that paid the expenses of getting the ship and crew to Australia and back.
Disney isnt going to commit any of their current ships to this market and it is too far away to really be profitable to sail a ship there and back during the fall/winter season this is happening.
Noe we couldn’t get the Hawaii to Sydney sailing and I’m not flying halfway across the world to sail out of Sydney Harbour for 2 days then back in for another 2 days so we decided to do another trip, which is when I learned something else that is interesting.
We decided on a British Isles Cruise but it was hard to find because for some odd reason there werent as many itineraries available for 2023. Imagine my surprise when I went to book and found out that the ship was the Dream. Disney never uses the large ships for these type of sailings because they just cant fill them up. Usually they use the smaller ships with multiple dates and the Dream and Fantasy stick to the Caribbean.
But the Wonder will be out of position if it is on its way to Australia so it cant do multiple Northern European Itineraries. The Dream can roll up several smaller sailings of the Wonder into one sailing tho (Let’s hope the ports of call and tour providers can handle it tho).
So now I hear that Disney is in the market for a large cruise ship almost completely built with an Asian design.
Seems Disney may mean to expand permanently into the East for cruising including Australia, New Zealand with probably Hong Kong, China and possibly other Asian ports using a dedicated large cruise ship. I would assume a dedicated crew as well. It would be cheaper for them to have crew hiews mostly locally.
They could avoid monsoon season by cruise out of the area at that time.
Much more cost effective than sailing a ship that is already used most of the year and having to sail it half way across the world to give 4 or 5 night cruises to Aussies.
I believe that DCL will iterate on the design a few times and the create a budget friendly subsidiary cruise line with this ship. Being smaller than Oasis, let alone the recently revealed Icon, class but having more people doesn't lead to a luxury experience. Changing the cabins will be very expensive, which will reduce the financial benefits of this ship. That means tons of 2 person cabins. That's not conducive for the Disney market. For those reasons, I believe they'll eventually give up on calling it a DCL ship and create a budget subsidiary.
They're shrinking the passenger number from 9,000-ish to around 6,000, more in line with what the biggest ships today carry, so that should help.
@@Kaidhicksii I mean when you buy the ship for 45 million the options are endless because on how you can redesign things
I don't sail DCL, I have way too many nights on Carnival to quit now but I agree 100% about this hurting their brand.
I think the Wish class even is tarnishing their brand and it's a shame that it will be the most numerous of their ships.
As a long time cruiser I’am so sickened over these malls at sea
I some people were theorizing that Disney buying this ship might have been part of a last ditch effort by Bob Chapek to save his job before he was outed as CEO. I honestly wouldn't be surprised.
Honestly, I am not completely surprised that Disney is willing to divert from their regular design language for the Asian market. After all, the romanisation of the old ocean liners isn't as prevalent in Asia.
I guess I don't understand why people get worked up about the way a ship looks from the outside. I'm much much much more interested in the interior of the ship, and the experience on board. Since that is what I'm going to spend the most time with and not look at it from the dock.
I have to agree with you, I don’t really like the ship. But just like the Wish, if I don’t like it I don’t have to sail on it. I could book a cruise on the Dream right now, and never go on the Wish or this ship in my life very easily. I don’t think it’s going to be detrimental to the brand or their reputation, especially if the Treasure and the other new ship end up being designed better than the Wish.
I heard that this purchase was Bob Chapek’s idea, to give him a good legacy and make people like him more. They bought the ship for 3% of the ships worth, and now I think Iger will not continue this project.
I mean given Chapek puts short term gains ahead of long term success, this doesn’t surprise me. He saw a cheap and easy way to enter the Asian market, and did what every normal CEO would do and take the opportunity. The problem is Disney is not a normal company, and thus cannot have a normal CEO, which I think Chapek didn’t realize till it was too late
I also heard this Chapek brought the ship to show the company was buying assets and to show growth but clearly that did not work out for him! However Iger now owns this and I think he might stick with it. Mainly due to the fact that the ship being built will bring back many jobs for the people who lost them due to Dream Cruises going bankrupt. We will see!
The biggest difference between Chapek and Iger is that Iger has better PR. Many decisions (although not this one) had been made by Iger but Chapek was blamed for it and the nickel and diming already started under Iger who's biggest achievements were buying up other brands and fit them into Disney. People have all forgotten Iger's Expedition Everest quote for example (something along the lines of "People don't come to the park for a rollercoaster that is themed to India or whatever, they come to the parks to see Arendelle and meet Anna and Elsa")
DCL really spent 20 years carefully constructing an impeccable reputation...for it to be thrown down the drain in a matter of months. lmfao.
Thats the Cheapek's legacy lmao.
I doubt it
@@CesarinPillinGaming I hate to be the one to say this, but most of the mistakes and design of Wish were done under Iger so don't expect improvements. .
@@Ben-bb7mi We're not talking about the Wish bruh. We're talking about this purchase Which in no way was Iger's doing..
@@CesarinPillinGaming The Wish is indicative of the problems in direction DCL has at the moment. This new ship is a symptom of that lack of direction.
Great video. Really like hearing you talk about DCL since you’re so knowledgeable. Keep it up!
I think we ought to give them a bit of grace and wait to see some renderings. Sure, the exterior design of the ship is not changable, but they have all the freedom in the world to make the interior full Disney.
I think this ship has the chance to be something really spectacular.
Exactly. I think Jake and most of the comments indicate an amazing blindness (or simpleness . No one says DCL will complete this as a 9,000 passenger vessel and they could rip every fitting out and refit it their style. Some people are so blinkered in their thinking.
@@xr6lad Yeah and from the get go is a ship built for a different market. The point about being too crowded or too Asian is just completely moot. The layout is designed with the Asian market in mind, and somehow it's a "wrong ship design". I just see it as they having their own ways of doing things, nothing wrong with that.
I only just noticed it has 6 funnels! What in the world it's like something a child would design 6 is better than 2 because it's more
If they really re-build the Global Dream and make it look just the concept art, they should name it Disney Miracle because it would be a miracle if anyone would actually want to sail on it.
The mockup ship design with Cinderella's Castle atop it just made me spit out my Triscuts and Diet Coke while choking and laughing. After the day I've had, I really needed this. Intentional or not, thank you! LOL!
I think this could be amazing! I cant wait to see what they can do with this much space. Yeah its not built by them but I dont think it really matters with the state it's in. From the pics it looks like the outside is done but it's pretty much empty on the inside. It's not going to be hard gutting the interior and basically starting from scratch. Of engineers are able to completely gut buildings and give them a totally new floor plan I imagine they can do the same to a ship.
Where are you finding pictures of the ships insides? I'm skeptical.
The rooms in cruise ships are prefabricated, modified cargo containers. They are slid into the ship during construction. You can see the holes where the rooms are placed in one of the pictures in the video, and toward the back of the ship many of those rooms are already completed. I would also expect all the inside cabins to have been placed, especially where the completed outside cabins are already visible.
Since the rooms basically cargo shipping containers, you can't just go cutting holes into their sides or removing walls to connect them to make bigger rooms and reduce capacity. It ruins their structural integrity.
@@soulcstudios You can cut doors,no problem with that
@@dzonikg Incorrect, there is a problem. Source: "Why shipping container homes are overrated" by Vox at 5:12
That's one shipping container, on land. Now imagine stacking hundreds of them together on a ship. That's a problem.
I visited MV Werften in the summer and i remember the guide telling us how this massive hunk of metal will most likely be scrapped before its finished because noone wants it. Crazy to think that i might be able to drive up there again in a couple of years and see a disney cruise ship come out of that warft.
Based on bulls times of cruise ships being anywhere from 1.5 to 2 years for ships with similar tonnage to the Wish, it seems that Disney is virtually building a new ship. I would guess that the Global Dream is 6 months too a year from delivery. However, Disney is launching this ship in 2025, that combined with the fact that they’re cutting the capacity down to 6k makes it seem like they’re not just buying a product, putting mouse ears on it and calling it Disney. I believe that great thought will be our into this project. Plus, the Asian market cares equally, if not more about immersion than North America, so hopefully that ensure that this ship won’t be half baked and watered down.
With what money?
9:44 and that doesn't raise a red flag with you? We got a recession coming up with crash in every industry and the cruise liners said, "no thank you."
A 360 degree turn puts you on the same heading as before. I think you meant a 180. 😉
I'm reserving judgment until I see how they redesign the Global Dream. I would not be surprised if they restructure the cabins to be less dense.
One thing I know for certain. I'm looking forward to your Disney-wish style review when this thing finally does set sail
It’s like a tipped over office building just sort of floating along the sea.
Like every modern ship then?
@@xr6lad For real, like all modern ships look like this. The last good looking ship was the QE2.
3:35 Jake's tweet reaction is so amazingly funny.
Having cruised DCL 8 times now, I'd have no desire for this ship or the Wish, frankly. We prefer the two original smaller ships still, even with their aging related issues. Bigger ships are not necessarily better. We cruised on one of the RCL mega ships because we were curious and really didn't care for it or the number of people on board. There's more stuff to do but you're usually waiting in lines for it.
The pride of America is kind of of a small, older, cozy ship. But look at the itinerary and the views it provides. When I went on it we passed the lava flow on the big island and the wind was blowing the steam inland so we were able to get closer than usual which provided an amazing view of the lava pouring in to the ocean all from the comfort of my balcony while enjoying a drink and joint. Then when we sailed up the na pali coast we could see whales breaching. I think they have to use a smaller ship because it's hard to get people to fly all the way to Hawaii to get on a cruise. When I took it, I lived in hawaii 10 minutes from where it left honolulu.
Thats not how business works. Just because the ship isnt cookie cutter with the reat of their ships doesnt mean it will damage the brand. They got this for a bargain. To save 1.9 billion in construction, they made some sacrifices
Agree with you on the original design of the first few Disney ships, quite unique. As an insider involved in the original project its not only the amazing discount on the purchase price, Disney also skip the multi year waiting list for a new build. Regarding the 75% I've seen the 3d CAD models and I believe its more like 80% so any changes to the layout would be expensive and time consuming at this stage but there is loads of scope to change branding, materials and colours of the fittings. Another interesting detail, the 9000 pax capacity is only possible as each cabin was conceived with the Chines market in mind, i.e. Parents, child and Grandparent/nanny. So each cabin has a potential occupancy of 5.
Cabins like that would be smart for a brand so family focused as Disney, as it is unless you get a bigger and much more expensive stateroom you're kinda out of luck unless you only have like 1 kid or maybe 2 smaller ones
I just watched an update on this, thanks for having this!!
Im from Rostock (the biggest City in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern and one Locations of the MV Werften) and im really Kind of proud that this ship gets finished now and to See my hometown in an international Video lol
Hey i live near Wismar were the Ship is located from informations i have from a friend thats in the shipyard there Disney want to make major changes and invest about a billion euros into it. They even want to switch the engine. Its planned to be finished in 2025.
I don’t think other ships in the fleet are a concern to many customers. That would be like a business class airline traveler basing their decisions on the specs of an economy seat. At the end of the day this ship is built to serve a different sector of the market, so I don’t expect it will be a factor customers will consider unless they are weighing taking a vacation on this ship specifically.
If the Disney Cruise Line was banking in explosive Asian (and specifically Chinese) tourism then they are in for yet another problem. In 2023, Chinese tourism has taken a huge hit and doesn't look likely to even recover back to its 2019 peaks. So this ship will be entering service about 5-10 years too late.
9:58 The Disney Adventure looks cool. But I'm pretty sure Carnival will sue them for copying the Bolt Ultimate Sea Coaster.
Y'all can't tell me that design looks the exact same as the Bolt.
I think from a money making perspective, this is a great idea to include the Asian/Pacific market to their fleet. I don’t think that the people in that area will be too concerned about the look of the ship, as 1. The ship was designed for an Asian cruise line anyways and 2. It will give this ship a distinct identity as being the “Asian exclusive” ship. To me, it’s a solid idea.
Please upload more on this channel I love these videos, Keep up the good work!
Definitely more on the way!
I don' think the Global Dream is necessarily ugly, it's just kind of mid. It's no Norwegian Epic with a big square in front of it, or whatever the mess that is going on with Icon of the Seas is. It's just kind of boring.
Now the actual contents of the ship just look like someone mangled up an Oasis class ship and slapped as many cabins as physically possible into it. I doubt Disney can truly "fix" this vessel.
As a Chinese myself, I would say, since the mean focus of this vessel is in China, Disney probably made a good decision and saved tons of money, instead of build a brand new one. In the end, not many Chinese really care or even know about the authentic Disney culture, most of them, I'll say more than 98% of them, don't care about about the Disney culture. Do you know who is the most popular character in Shanghai Disneyland? Not Mickey, not Minnie, not Donald not Daisy not Woody not Cinderella not Ariel not anyone you could think of. Let me tell you, it's StellaLou and Linabell! Those two characters are new crews from Daffy and Friends, which even the main character Duffy is not so famous except in Japan. And the Chinese are crazy about those two, so crazy that Disney decided to put them in the centre of the show, Micky and Minnie can only stand behind them. So, do they need an authentic Disney dream cruise? No, as long as it's from Disney, that's good. I think Disney knows it well, so why design and build a huge vessel from scratch when you can buy an almost finished one for a steal price and start making money from there?
It is SUCH a big change for Disney, an interesting video, thank you! 🎉
Ps, ships get so much uglier than this. 😂😂
Thanks Emma! Love the channel :)
@@BrightSunTravels You too! :-)
Right Emma???? Like the NCL Epic...my all time ugliest-fav.
Those cruises with the stupid lobbies that go up to the top deck and have plants and act like cities on the sea are so stupid. The Wish is probably the biggest a cruise ship, should ever be.
If they can get a reasonable deal on the ship to get into service it won't have a negative impact on the brand. The Asian market is heavily in visiting multiple destinations and as long as there's things to do on board it will be fine
I've been Dream Cruises, and it's fantastic. Literally borderline bigoted assumptions about Asian ships being too crowded, unrefined, etc.
I know you said you probably won’t make any news reporting type videos but I actually liked this and wish you’d do more of these.
I wonder if Disney could use this as an opportunity to create a branch brand of their cruises. Rather than classy luxury, it could be an opportunity to go fun and playful, and see how the market responds to the branch branding.
These are some terrific videos!
This is going to end up being a Genius financial move, Jake…that’s ALL the current Disney management cares about! Money! Also, since it’s going to be exclusive to Asia, they can even brand it under a different cruise line name, if they choose, not unlike Royal Caribbean with their Celebrity and Azamara lines
My concern is them using this ship as an opportunity to put a casino in a DCL ship and then it spreading to others.
Hopefully not.
I think the renders of Globel Dream were okay. The bow was nice.
I’m cautiously optimistic. Just like how Shanghai Disneyland is very different from other Disney castle parks but draws inspiration from them, I think this has the potential to be a beautiful ship that caters to the Asian market while still bringing touches of Disney. Just because it’s different from what Westerners are used to doesn’t mean that it’s bad. Disney’s own track record with trying to force Western design ideas in Asian markets (looking at you, Hong Kong Disneyland) has not worked out well for them. As Bob Iger would say, this gives them the opportunity to create something that’s “Distinctly Disney, authentically Chinese”
Disney would have to think of a new name for the ship. Maybe the Disney Kingdom? The Disney Imagine? The Disney global dream?
I might be wrong, but I heard that the ship will be called Disney Atlas, given how massive it is
I think a cruise ship sounds like a terrible vacation, being upselled up the butt would get on my nerves.
I do admire your passion for these big azz boats and it makes entertaining videos even if not something i would do.
Mike from Ocean Liner Designs made this look much much better with only 5 minutes in Photoshop
I definitely see your points here, all very valid concerns, I will say in my mind though that the Wish was already the departure. The previous four had style of their own, beautiful design, but also had (at the time) standard cruise ship deck layouts. The Wish attempted to even reinvent those and came up short or worse, annoying. Looking at you, missing center bank of elevators. (And not much seems to be different with Treasure so far.) It seems the biggest issue going forward is the strictly ship design parts, so maybe adopting a more contemporary design might resolve those issues at least. Plus, I was disappointed the size of the Wish was not much bigger than Dream class. In a world of RCL mega-ships, Disney having one in the game is exciting to say the least. It’s an outlier as you say but purposefully so to stand out as “the big one.” Hopefully the style can meet or overcome the size though. It’s maybe weirdly fortunate that a mostly complete mega ship found its way into their hands, that doesn’t happen everyday, but that is something that time will tell. Who knows, it’s just sad we’ll never see one of the fleet pull up to Castaway Cay. (And if there’s a casino onboard, I will spew.)
Me 1 month ago before I found this channel: cruise ships are cool I guess but I don't really have strong opinions about them.
Me now: *pounds fists on table after slamming back third shot of whiskey* WHEN. WILL. DCL. GET. MORE. COHESIVE. DESIGN. LANGUAGE.
Bright Suns, please make a follow up now that Disney has unveiled what’s to come.
Firstly the exterior or rather deck areas are currently still under construction and Disney have stated they are not having the theme park level or the race track as shown in the original plans/images. It’ll be toned down and fit the Disney theme when finished. It’ll also never see the light of day state side and instead will live it’s life in Asia, possibly Europe on occasion. I think Disneys original budget for the Wish was $1.8b and this has cost less than $50m plus a similar amount to fit it out, it’s a no brainier on their part in my opinion and the Asian market will sell it out every cruise, that’ll see a return on their investment long before they see one on their other ships.
Finally! Also I might be wrong, but I heard this new ship will be called Disney Atlas. Also also, at first I thought there were three funnels… but I never looked closer at the concept art. 6 funnels?! Is she trying to beat the Great Eastern (plz make a video about it) in amount of funnels?!
I'm interested to know where you heard this. Was it insider information? Either way, if Disney Atlas does end up being the name, then solid choice. It only makes sense, given the ship's massive size especially in comparison to the rest of the fleet. If it gets picked over Surprise (which is what I have in mind), I won't be complaining.
Also, yeah, the six funnels. Looks awful: the first time I looked at this I also thought it was three. Six wouldn't have been as bad if they were lined up end to end. 😅Then again, to pull that off, they'd probably need to shrink them down a whole lot. Still quite the achievement though.
@@Kaidhicksii unfortunately, no insider info. But there is this short… ruclips.net/user/shorts5pIbRBJq2JU?feature=share
the first 4 ships were so beautiful, it breaks my heart that this is what the ships are becoming:( it feels like every year disney becomes less passionate and intricate with their designs and projects
Roy warned everyone in 2005 that iger knew how to make money and buy shit but had no creativity and imagination.
@@Denozo88
And now there is nobody in the world holding Iger back.
@austinreed7343 Yep. The only way to fix Disney as a whole is boot iger and his lakeys out. Peltz isn't perfect but his track record tells me he can fix it if given the ammunition to do so.
We hope there will be new Disney Cruises in East Asia. We also want to see route lines between S. Korea🇰🇷(Busan) & Japan🇯🇵(Fukuoka, Osaka, Tokyo).
Is it ugly? Well yeah. But it looks nearly identical to all the other floating mega-hotels out there, once you take their flamboyant paint off. Give me a well-designed smaller vessel any day.
This channel is so good 🎉
Thank you!!
I'm not a fan of some cruise ship designs but this is not ugly in my humble opinion.
I think Disney will be going in a different direction with the ships in the future, I’m so thankful for getting to go on the dream twice, I think it was an experience that other lines can not replicate
I think the idea of a “theme park” on the ship is a great opportunity. Now they can build there Disney Sea park that is on the ship instead on around it. And we can stay far far away from aquamouse
yooo just found this channel and clicked on the video and was happy to hear it was you!
Thanks for coming
Actually seems like a smart move to serve a market with three Disney theme parks. I know this is a year old and we now know they will carry only 6,000 passengers, have no casino and the ship will sport only two sets of two funnels. I think the brand is safe enough.
You said it yourself. This is an quick and easy way into the Asian market. This is a good decision by Disney
Clearly Disney is going to get canceled if they keep making weird decisions and more remakes of classics. But they are still making classics cus people are stills buying tickets to see em. 🤦♂️ Let me know about your opinions in the reply’s. Do you agree or disagree? Also do you think Disney will go bankrupt with the choices they are making?
It may not be the most aesthetic, but dang the potential! I can see why they jumped at the deal, I mean, pennies compared to the billion+ it took to construct! They can easily eat the couple hundred mil in reno costs without even coming close to the 1bil+ construction cost! I hope this runs for more than the Asian sectors, as it'd be a cool ship to take a cruise on with its own roller coasters and sh1t :D
I’m sure that Disney will bring it up to “Disney” standards. But this probably will bring about a new class of ship for Disney. I’m interested in the name. Idk why but the thought of the words pixie dust, memory, elegance, emphatic, enchant(but Royal Caribbean uses that so idk), endeavor(for crossing the world or something like that. Or my personal favorite thought, the Disney Epic.
You’re the first person I thought of when I heard this news!
Maybe I'm just ignorant, but I'm struggling to see why this is a such a huge problem. It really isn't that ugly. Besides, the way the hull looks is probably one of the least important aspects.
I at first thought it was 3 funnels (which isn't too bad tbh). I didn't know it was 3 on EACH SIDE. That is so bad! Big funnels need to be in a line, not side-by-side.
This reminds me how the Hamburg America Line's Imperator-class liners ended up after WW1 in the service of Cunard (Berengaria), White Star (Majestic) and US Lines (Leviathan) -- I think it could work well for Disney and that reworking an existing design while not ideal compared to a clean-sheet design could end up a more interesting design.
I think Disney understands that the Chinese market experiences "Disney" differently than any other market. And they have placed this ship accordingly it is 100 percent a cash grab. I can't see this ship sailing to any ports outside of China and southeast Asia. And I don't see this pulling any of the Japanese market. So they figured we can spend half as much throw some Disney tech at it and have a portion of a new segment. I can't see this ship not having a casino so in reality this is a Disney ship in name only.
As someone who does not know much about the whole industry, who knows, maybe this might be some sort of big brain, 5head move from Disney
I think the features coming on new ships are awesome. But I can't over how that means you also have to be on a floating thing with 8,999 other people. I think the populations on cruise ships the size of the disney dream is too damn many