Hard disagree, "any other League"? Look at Real Madrid, the sheer amount of titles, both domestic and European won due to refereeing bias and not a single word on a punishment, not a financial one or a even a harsher one. Serie A and Prem seem to be the only ones doing something
@@The_BigCheese breaking financial fair play, not having contracts written out lawfully, getting away with that and more over a spell of 10 years. Watch the video!!
hahahahhaha guy is a serial waffler, says very little too, said before mustve got the name on his suave job, unless he just talks like that thinking the rest of us are idiots.
Honestly a point deduction isn’t enough, relegation or a ban from europe for a couple of years should do. They’ve costed many teams their titles and had a trickle down effect from relegations, sackings, european spots, and so much more negative.
My interesting thought on it is they take the punishment **this year**, since they're not doing great (just lost to Tottenham!). It's like a yellow card ban... get the timing right and no big deal.
I thought Chelsea was the club under the radar but City makes the headline 1st 😂😂 an congrats to Newcastle for been humble an keeping it simple knowing they've got loads of money!!!
You don't how football clubs work do you? Doesn't matter how rich the owners are. You cant spend more than the club generates in revenue Newcastles owners can afford to spend 50pmill on players but they can't do that because Newcastle generates nowhere near 500mill
@@SL0409 Newcastle with a good 10 years of investment within the FFP rules would enable them to earn more money in the future. Developing the stadium, adapting an attractive form of football and just be honest would win them a lot of fans and building for the future.
@DatGuyWelbz You goto take away the titles for those seasons at the very least and award them to the second placed teams... as far as the influence on the promotion/relegation cycle is concerned, its very less and practically impossible to judge... a highly subjective matter that you mentioned so no action can be taken for that... but titles in question have to be scrapped at the very least...
Clubs in the EFL have suffered heavy punishments for breaching FFP that has ruined them. I know the Premier league and EFL are separate bodies but if Man City are found guilty then they should be punished severely even more so because they’ve broken the rules for the best part of a decade.
@@jamie_sg nothing salty about it! If found guilty City should be severely punished as it’s blatant cheating. It’s not one rule for Man City and another for everyone else.
Tell me about it, it's a farce ... Look at the history of the rise of Chelsea, they were laundering money for Abramovic for so long and how can they take the club from him and not punish the club who have benefitted all these years, to add salt to the wounds they gave the buyer exemptions etc WTF!!! Double Standards!!!
I will be shocked if anything happens. They will argue their way out of it. One of the arguments I've heard is they will say the information came from an illegal hack.
Not this time. The list of charges is so serious and the the desire nows seems to be there to clean house. Teams Like Utd have been complying with FFP for the last 15 years to the point that their squad is nowhere near the level of City. I do no think people fully understand the implications of this as of yet. HMRC may also get involved because I suspect they will have issues as well with what has happened. No Corporation in the UK would get away with doing that.
@bighand69 agreed the list of charges is long and it will be tough for them to argue it. I am happy they cannot say it is time barred like they did with the UEFA charges. However I am not sure if they will claim the "fruit of the poisonous tree" argument in terms of how this all came about. For sure if they understated expenses or overstated revenues in any way, then HMRC may become involved. However either of those scenarios means higher profits and therefore more tax but it would mean that their Financial statements presented are supposedly significantly misstated. A question for their Auditors also
PL just need some cash to pay bill and grease some back…so trump up charges that won’t go anywhere but get some money from petty fines…corrupt…oh and probably soft RACISM too!
I wouldn’t mind my club breaking FFP for 9 years of success and only receiving 15 points deduction in just 1 season. That sounds like a great deal to me.
Think about it... clubs got relagated by 1 or 2 points, when city took 6 off them. Clubs like liverpool and united lost trophys and titles to city, by small margins. You just cannot correct all of this, so if found guilty they must be expelled from the prem. The only god send is that no amount of money could buy the European glory, so we don't have to worry about them stealing that from anyone
What I find interesting is that even if 15 points are taken from city, they are still higher than Liverpool and Chelsea Should make for a fun season lol
Less fun for the title race tho and I doubt the fa cares more about rules and standards than making money from ppl tuning in to the games unfortunately
If City hadn't cheated Liverpool would have won more titles. Teams like City are disgusting and should have all titles and trophies 'won' in this period stripped and awarded to the runners up.
@@skylar7740 But what are we going to do? Sign all those Liverpool players to one day contracts so they can raise the trophy? Gerrard would probably go for it.
If all this FFP is to be taken seriously then there needs to be some serious consequences when the rules are broken. City have quite clearly been breaking them for years, think they can get away with it with their over inflated sponsorship etc, hope they receive a big fine, points deduction etc.
Fines they can pay. Points they can win it back. Take them their points for the season till this day and they still go top 10. For me, relegation is needed for them to spend a least a year fighting roughly in the Championship.
@@theportugueselegend All titles have to be stripped. Compensation for the clubs that lost out during that period and expulsion from the league as well.
10 point deductions for next 10 PL seasons, fine them massively 25m+ and % of all sales to be put back in to the EFL with lg2 and lg1 getting a fair share
Nobody takes it seriously, though. It's a joke. Nobody with two brain cells to rub together thinks that UEFA/FIFA/CAS are above board. They'll prove they're corrupt in this situation, yet again. They'll issue a fine/bribe request and nothing else will happen. Zero doubt.
@@saptaccrvima3563 that was a technicality and absolutely zero exoneration of Manchester City occurred at that UEFA hearings you must have misunderstood the proceedings and result.
Derby were deducted an overall 21 points in the EFL for failing to find a buyer during administration, yet City break the rules for over a decade, and will probably pay their way out of any severe penalties by paying a huge fine. Oil money, for you. Wouldn't be surprised if Chelsea/Newcastle are being kept a close eye on too.
Newcastle will be fine, they havent really splashed out, ps im an everton fan so no bias here, Chelsea on the other hand have surely been fiddling something
@Craig I'm not saying Newcastle haven't, I'm just saying Saudi owners and their spending/income are gonna be scrutinised by every inch now. Nothing wrong with Newcastle and what they've spent, I didn't say otherwise.
Newcastle are trying their best to stay within the limits, they know they'd face more scrutiny because of their owners and the controversy surrounding the takeover.
As an Arsenal fan I'd love to see a points deduction and while that's in our own self interest I do genuinely believe it's the only fitting punishment. Fines mean nothing to City and they will just continue to cheat their way to success.
@@only1_skunkit’s only one game vs everton don’t worry. Arsenal still winning the league as we speak, one loss against everton + one loss against man utd previous half of the season (which we still play decently) does not define our title charge
@Purple Skunk believe me I'm under no illusions and am aware that we need a stronger squad or we will drop off. That being said my point still stands and these clubs who regularly and blatantly cheat need to be held accountable.
everybody hatessss ussss na na na na, no one crying for chelsea to be investigated bc they’re still shite, i don’t blame them, it’s human nature, people just want to see the giants fall
Did anyone else find it odd that City only bought Haaland in the summer, and have sold lots of players? No business in January? Seems like they saw this coming.
Clearly you are the type to seek half the facts and assume? Are you forgetting signed in the summer was and England international midfield, a now Argentine world cup winner, shortly after Akanje and Perrone? What was sold was the shite that Chelsea paid near 70 mil. This is media build up nonsense, Chelsea will see issue before anyone or any other team, city have been hounded for 5 years with this it's not new you snowflake
@@tonynogueira8900 They may have enough points to be deducted in certain seasons that would allow them to keep their titles. If Man Utd or Liverpool did this at those levels we all know what the outcome would be.
Well yeah. If the system wasn't corrupt they'd be relegated and stripped of their titles. The system is corrupt though. CAS is run by PSG's owner. He is just as guilty of breaking FFP, so we know for a fact he won't enforce any real punishment. It will be another fine, the money for which will go straight into the pockets of UEFA officials.
As a united fan I wish city will get punished harshly, but they’re just gonna transfer some more oil money into the people making the decisions and get a small slap on the wrist
Points deduction, 3 year transfer ban and a hefty fine are needed. A precedent needs set about what happens to clubs when they break financial regs. Of course we know there will be a tiny fine only.
All titles must be stripped for that period. Why have football rules that other clubs obey if City can come along and go we are special it does not apply.
As a Liverpool fan this makes me think about those seasons we fell short of the premier league by 1 point. Did we lose to a team that was cheating? I know this is alleged, but damn...
I'm very confident now that Pep will leave at the end of this season. Klopp might be on a similar route (perhaps sacked, but probably a mutual termination) and I can't see either staying in the prem :( Tough to lose two of the best at the same time. Arteta and Howe are capable of creating a new guard but it's going to be very tough to get to the level of their predecessors.
I agree Pep is looking very likely to leave this summer. Klopp for me 50/50 depending on the new owner if any sales goes through. Longevity doesn't really exist in modern football anymore. Hence that's why I so admire the Fergie and Wenger's tenure. They did spend but within means and build multiple teams throughout the years
I don't believe both will leave. I believe they'll run their contract and then leave for greener pastures, meaning that the football landscape will then change. Not now.
Yeah , Unfair Squad that Never Lose 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 . . . If you don't like to watch beautiful Football just go and watch something on your level and Leave City Alone !
as an Arsenal fan.. i can say these guys have been buying the tittle every season and we are supposed to applaud Pep as some sort of Genius?give me a break! how does spending billion to achieve something that only makes you millions an accomplishment? Arsenal & Liverpool do it the right way in my humble opinion
As a city fans , I think you shut your mouth because you know nothing about how we spent our money and how we used , just being jealous so get more football knowledge before talking
My immediate reaction as an Arsenal fan would be points deduction, but I would rather any league win was won on merit. But giving City a Glasgow Rangers style financial punishment and starting from scratch in the Conference whatever league should be handed out.
Yup. Nothing will happen. The Prem will hand the case to CAS and CAS will hand out a small fine and that will be heralded as justice, because PSG's owner (who is guilty of the exact same stuff) is also head of CAS. The whole system is rigged.
EPL is a different set up with no time constraints on charges. All activities are included as evidence and cannot be excluded. All clubs that are members of the EPL obey this rule and will through the process seek out that city are held to those rules as well. The UK government is also looking over the should of the FA and EPL on this one. HMRC will also be looking at this as well.
The only way this can be put right, is deduct any profits from any titles they have won, award those titles to the team closest to them, deduct 100 points as there was 100 breaches and exclude them from european football for the next 2 years.
Bro the crazy thing is that United would have won 3 Premier Leagues and Liverpool would have won 3 Premier Leagues more... Thats absolutely insane. Fergie would have won 6 Premier Leagues in 7 years....
As a Liverpool fan, it is just disgusting what they have got away with. Net spend, Liverpool aren't even in the top 5 in the league, yet we lost two league titles by a point due to City and their unbelievable squad which was created illegally.
No point deducting point for single season when the breach has been happening for so many years. Obviously there must be some already fixed protocol of punishments, but I'd put financial cap in future transfers, investments etc equal to length of total seasons breached. The club has to suffer equal to the breach as possible, no less no more.
I wish The airings were going to be public. I want to know how Nottingham Forest are allowed to sign 30 players? How can Chelsea spend over a billion dollars in 2 seasons? Why have City been allowed to continue playing in the PL despite known breaches for years ? Why not a public airing? How can City be breaching rules but United have been able spend even more than City?
It will probably just be a big fine and once the Premier League have £50m in their pocket they'll forget all about it. I can't see the Premier League punishing City the same way clubs in Italy get punished. The difference between City and clubs like Derby is that the rules around points deductions when going into administration have already been set out. In this instance there isn't a set punishment for what City have allegedly done. Whatever punishment they are given needs to be the standard punishment for such breaches in future.
The "financial rules"reminds me of when I was a kid and my Mum kept telling me I cant spend the monies given to me by my Uncles and Aunties the way I want to. Man...!
To be honest, I think Newcastle are being more smart about their business and actually building a foundation before splashing millions like Chelsea and City, though I think Eddie Howe has a lot to do with that, they're not using the early City formula but building a team.
Does this mean our old titles are safe. Tbh that’s all I care about, I don’t mind future points deductions or even relegations, just let us keep what we won
The fine was simply for not cooperating with UEFA. If the Premier League are indeed saying that their case is based on the UEFA rules and those were time barred, then this is a second bite at the cherry and may be deemed unfair. If so, they can be struck out. Also, if the 2014 adjudication by UEFA was on the same grounds as this Premier League investigation and charges, then this is effectively res judicata, in that the matter has already been the subject of investigation and sanction. This would be double jeopardy.
That is absolutely not the case. EPL case is not based on UEFA. It is based on activities within the EPL and is not subjected to European sports rules. The UK government will step in and conducted an audit if the EPL does not at this point.
@@theportugueselegend I did follow the previous proceedings by UEFA pretty closely and read the full judgement from CAS (sad I know). I also have many years of legal experience which helps. I have no idea what sanction the premier league will come up with, if of course, City are convicted. And it will depend on how many of the allegations are proved. I imagine it will be a points deduction and also a pretty huge fine but i doubt if they will be brave enough to relegate them or expel them from the league but of course I could be well wide of the mark
Kaveh explains stuff very well. If it's a fair and transparent process then over 4 seasons, what's the appropriate point deduction for that? 20 points at least. Or perhaps even relegation to Championship. And 20-40 mil fine too I guess. Was it Mancini?
If convicted, they'll get a massive points deduction, at the start of the following season. PL won't kick em out, in case other clubs are doing the same. However, the hiding payments situation will get HMRC's attention, the implications of which... they could end up getting wound up, as per the club formerly known as Glasgow Rangers.
He’s just jealous that he didn’t have a sugar daddy with big pockets when he was at Arsenal. Once a whiner, always a whiner. Now that he’s paid by Swiss daddy Infantino, he’s finally happy raking in the dough 😂
The cynic in me is saying why now. After all if I understand it correctly the premier league was aware of this stuff as far back as 2009. It doesn’t make sense to let this stuff continue and only now bring it to the world attention. Let’s see what happens to the club and what punishment is handed out.
I’m not defending city but they aren’t the only club who have done this. I’m sure there are more clubs in the league who have done this. Hopefully the other clubs who have also done this get fined too
@@StuTheDon17 you're wrong mate. You're only saying that cuz of chelsea recent signings which is still within ffp. What City had done over the years is way more crazy, cuz they've paid some managers whereas the payment structure was reduce to deceive people and i am sure they did that to some playrrs as well. Are we talking about the amount of revenue cuz that as well have been pumped from external channel. So this is on city and stop pointing fingers at other clubs
@Copy Merchant no need mate we have a lot in there already And don't understand Chelsea fans talking about this yous are complete hypocrites ye were nobody's until ye got a sugar daddy Chelseas downfall is coming soon
@@davidmc446 don't speak like United are innocent in all this. Consistently destroying the market by buying 80m-100m players every summer and giving ridiculous wages every year.
@J W what you missing is Manchester united Liverpool and arsenal can spend that kind of money because they have a global fan base and don't need to doctor the books like city did because city's fan base is championship level
Nothing is gonna happen, this will be dragged out and they’ll pay a fine like always its crazy everyone knows exactly what they have been doing and before the hacks even came out
23 out of 29 premier leagues have been won by Man U Chelsea and city. These were the 3 riches clubs over this period. The league is already not competitive. I think we are all being fooled
Chelsea have got around it by signing extremely long contracts and paying in installments which Lowers the burden each financial year. Smart but also risky
We have seen all this before. It's like a common occurrence every season, 1 of 2 things will happen. They will be found guilty, they appeal and get off the hook again or nothing will happen and all this gets swept under the carpet again. Next season the same thing will happen again. The media eats it up every season, it's like they never learn.
@@theportugueselegend I think you need to take a step back and think from a logical and unbiased perspective. This is not what your deluded and illogical brain WANT/HOPE to happen. It's what is likely to happen. UEFA chased them down before, with clear evidence what happened then? They paid a small fine that's it. Next time maybe try using some parts of your small brain that's still functioning before replying
@@verbon47 Yup unfortunately that's how it is now. Even the fine they got from the case with UEFA was just a 10m fine which is like an astronomically small fraction compared to the money they get from winning the prem or by participating in the UCL.
@@Akira9212 I've said this type of law breaking is unprecedented. They have 100 counts for 9 plus years of books mismanagement. This is, as I've said, not only a FFP break. It's a complete financial crime against multiple clubs and the major organization that is the Premier League. Second ocurrence, but a much more bigger problem. What is likely to happen? Points deduction and a big fine. What I've really wanted and think it's needed? Relegation and 3 year transfer ban. My tiny little brain just seems to be a little bit bigger than yours
If this was happening in any other league there would be a major points deduction and sanctions. I have a feeling they're getting a fine and nothing else. They have the money, I don't see them pushing City down to a lower tier etc because they're a huge football club now. It's a money maker for them and unfortunately that's how these leagues look at things.
Also, if they’re going to take titles away from them (as reported) then what about the money they received for those titles? Does it get redistributed to the clubs who finished 2nd? Far too much to sort out here. Absolute Minimum punishment for me would be a large deduction of points and sanctions such as transfer bans. If Chelsea got a ban then City MUST.
Yeah, ya can. They're 'alleged' right to the point of the guilty verdict. Sky's lawyers will have instructed them to use the word 'alleged' so City can't sue them for slander.
5 years of investigation and potentially only points deducted in the current season . If that is the case absolutely pathetic! What was the point of even investigating them 😡 If that is the outcome sends a message to Clubs can do just what they want .
Instead of points deductions/stripping of league titles, can they not just eliminate them from all sporting competitions going forward so that they cease to exist? That would be a better way to solve this problem once and for all.
As a non-city fan, that's way to extreme and unfair to the fans who were around before 2008. I think relegation is the right response. If you want a really extreme punishment then relegate them to league 2 or something. That's probably the worst the punishment should be
Finally, hope they deduct past won trophies by cheating! Serious punishment will only work, give the trophies to the real winners who was not breaking financial rules
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100 times for 9 years??? That would be a relegation punishment in any other league
relegation to like tier 3
Chelsea broke FIFA rules like 200 times and they got a transfer ban.
@@russellward4624 different situation tbf this is intentional breaking of the rules
Hard disagree, "any other League"? Look at Real Madrid, the sheer amount of titles, both domestic and European won due to refereeing bias and not a single word on a punishment, not a financial one or a even a harsher one.
Serie A and Prem seem to be the only ones doing something
They should be deducted 100 points.
Not a Man City supporter but the question has to be asked - how did they get away with this for so long?
Get away with what?
They have the best lawyers in the world the prem been working on this case 4 5 years if there was anyway issues there lawyers woukd find a loop hole
@@The_BigCheese breaking financial fair play, not having contracts written out lawfully, getting away with that and more over a spell of 10 years. Watch the video!!
Money talks
@@darrenohairtneide1494 he's a manc supporter, emptihad incoming, trolls
Kaveh always reminds me of when i was at uni and had to make my word count.
hahahahhaha guy is a serial waffler, says very little too, said before mustve got the name on his suave job, unless he just talks like that thinking the rest of us are idiots.
‘What does this financial fair play breach mean’
kaveh: ‘so basically it means that Man City has breached the financial fair play rules ‘ 0:33
LMAO!
Politician material
@@moulinyan he articulately talks TOSH
Honestly a point deduction isn’t enough, relegation or a ban from europe for a couple of years should do. They’ve costed many teams their titles and had a trickle down effect from relegations, sackings, european spots, and so much more negative.
stop talking they might reverse it
They cost Liverpool a couple of titles and you won't hear any complaints from me about that 🤣
I fully agree
Completely agree. 9 years and over 100 breaches but don't worry we will take points that drop you to 4th this season doesn't seem harsh enough
lmao
Surprise, surprise, I'm shocked. and I'll be more shocked when the charges be dropped.
They'll be charged 30 million that will be payed over 5 years
City cannot appeal
They had a guest on saying Chelsea would be upset knowing City broke spending rules, Chelsea! They must get their guests from a concussion clinic.
Money talks
My interesting thought on it is they take the punishment **this year**, since they're not doing great (just lost to Tottenham!). It's like a yellow card ban... get the timing right and no big deal.
I thought Chelsea was the club under the radar but City makes the headline 1st 😂😂 an congrats to Newcastle for been humble an keeping it simple knowing they've got loads of money!!!
Nothing about being humble, just a great NUFC legal team
Well they are a pawn in sportswashing the saudis. Some stuff is bound to resurfice eventually
You don't how football clubs work do you?
Doesn't matter how rich the owners are. You cant spend more than the club generates in revenue
Newcastles owners can afford to spend 50pmill on players but they can't do that because Newcastle generates nowhere near 500mill
Tf are u on about? They've been owned for less than a year by QPIF so no investigations are ongoing
@@SL0409
Newcastle with a good 10 years of investment within the FFP rules would enable them to earn more money in the future.
Developing the stadium, adapting an attractive form of football and just be honest would win them a lot of fans and building for the future.
Manchester City fans returning to their previous clubs as we speak
Already changed my profile picture 🏃♂️
All the hypocrites
@@rojevcod4pro change it again there scummy cheating... arsenal... go support Burnley at least they got kompany then haha
@@laurencombs6016 it’s a joke lol
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The only fair outcome here is Max Verstappen being stripped of his title
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Ahhhh Bruhhhhh!!! 😂😂😂 hilarious!
Hahaha I love this!!!
Unacceptable that this punishment isn’t taken retrospectively. They would not have won the things they have if they didn’t cheat.
@DatGuyWelbz You goto take away the titles for those seasons at the very least and award them to the second placed teams... as far as the influence on the promotion/relegation cycle is concerned, its very less and practically impossible to judge... a highly subjective matter that you mentioned so no action can be taken for that... but titles in question have to be scrapped at the very least...
@@rohitrevankar7674 😂😂 keep dreaming idiot. Chelsea spend 700m in January but it’s us they come for.
Lies again? Hello Cousins
@@rohitrevankar7674 Parachute payments should be paid to them by Man City.
@@maiden5427 That sounds fair but don't think PL law will get to that.
Clubs in the EFL have suffered heavy punishments for breaching FFP that has ruined them.
I know the Premier league and EFL are separate bodies but if Man City are found guilty then they should be punished severely even more so because they’ve broken the rules for the best part of a decade.
They punished Chelsea a few years ago then rescinded the punishment so I expect the same for city
Typical salty Villa fan
@@jamie_sg nothing salty about it! If found guilty City should be severely punished as it’s blatant cheating.
It’s not one rule for Man City and another for everyone else.
Tell me about it, it's a farce ... Look at the history of the rise of Chelsea, they were laundering money for Abramovic for so long and how can they take the club from him and not punish the club who have benefitted all these years, to add salt to the wounds they gave the buyer exemptions etc WTF!!! Double Standards!!!
I’ll cut my balls off and send them to you if City get so much as a slap on the wrist 😂
I will be shocked if anything happens. They will argue their way out of it. One of the arguments I've heard is they will say the information came from an illegal hack.
Indeed. FFP is most likely illegal anway, probably anti-competition.
The EPL FFP judgement CANNOT be overturned like the UEFA one. It’s fullproof!
@@Titan_Tanyaradzwa they haven’t yet been charged, they’ve been accused so it’s going to an external hearing, could still be turned down/rejected
Not this time. The list of charges is so serious and the the desire nows seems to be there to clean house.
Teams Like Utd have been complying with FFP for the last 15 years to the point that their squad is nowhere near the level of City.
I do no think people fully understand the implications of this as of yet. HMRC may also get involved because I suspect they will have issues as well with what has happened. No Corporation in the UK would get away with doing that.
@bighand69 agreed the list of charges is long and it will be tough for them to argue it. I am happy they cannot say it is time barred like they did with the UEFA charges. However I am not sure if they will claim the "fruit of the poisonous tree" argument in terms of how this all came about.
For sure if they understated expenses or overstated revenues in any way, then HMRC may become involved. However either of those scenarios means higher profits and therefore more tax but it would mean that their Financial statements presented are supposedly significantly misstated.
A question for their Auditors also
The more surprising thing is that in the end all charges will be dropped and nothing will happen to them
True
The power of money
PL just need some cash to pay bill and grease some back…so trump up charges that won’t go anywhere but get some money from petty fines…corrupt…oh and probably soft RACISM too!
Exactly!
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Agree
The Oil Money stopped flowing into the PL Officials Offshore accounts 😂👏🏾
facts
Account in AbuDhabi with no tax
That's funny 😂😂😂
Literally what happened, as long as you pay you can do whatever the hell you want, sadly
@@deni323ci you can't use the word 'literally' for a baseless opinion lol
I wouldn’t mind my club breaking FFP for 9 years of success and only receiving 15 points deduction in just 1 season. That sounds like a great deal to me.
Bury would have liked that arrangement.
You can’t just deduct points from this season for a decade of breaches!
Why not the other option is to consider all what city have won should be void?? You choose
You can mate us derby fans had to watch it happen to our club not to mention they have broken over 100
How many times did United get charged when Ferguson controlled basically the whole league??
@@copymerchant1768 none because they didn’t breach any financial fair play rules
@@copymerchant1768 the earnings we brought in were real unlike cities we didnt break ffp
Part of me feels a 30 points deduction but that wouldn't be enough. Relegate them will have an affect as players would leave.
Relegate to League 1, no promotion and a complete transfer ban for five years.
You heard what was said. Nothing to happen for a long time. City will overturn this like they always do
send them back to the pre oil money days
Think about it... clubs got relagated by 1 or 2 points, when city took 6 off them. Clubs like liverpool and united lost trophys and titles to city, by small margins. You just cannot correct all of this, so if found guilty they must be expelled from the prem. The only god send is that no amount of money could buy the European glory, so we don't have to worry about them stealing that from anyone
Would love Haaland to be able to win the Championship.
What I find interesting is that even if 15 points are taken from city, they are still higher than Liverpool and Chelsea
Should make for a fun season lol
Less fun for the title race tho and I doubt the fa cares more about rules and standards than making money from ppl tuning in to the games unfortunately
If City hadn't cheated Liverpool would have won more titles. Teams like City are disgusting and should have all titles and trophies 'won' in this period stripped and awarded to the runners up.
Should be a 15 point deduction for each season they were found guilty of cheating.
@@skylar7740 Nobody cares
@@skylar7740 But what are we going to do? Sign all those Liverpool players to one day contracts so they can raise the trophy? Gerrard would probably go for it.
Every EPL team should be audited annually. Not once every 10 years!
UEFA have just announced they will not be stripping Manchester City away their champions league trophy .
Yeah🤣
they can strip them when they win it
You are announcing not UEFA.
If all this FFP is to be taken seriously then there needs to be some serious consequences when the rules are broken. City have quite clearly been breaking them for years, think they can get away with it with their over inflated sponsorship etc, hope they receive a big fine, points deduction etc.
Fines they can pay. Points they can win it back. Take them their points for the season till this day and they still go top 10.
For me, relegation is needed for them to spend a least a year fighting roughly in the Championship.
Envying us abi 🤣🤣? Nothing the happen
@@theportugueselegend
All titles have to be stripped. Compensation for the clubs that lost out during that period and expulsion from the league as well.
10 point deductions for next 10 PL seasons, fine them massively 25m+ and % of all sales to be put back in to the EFL with lg2 and lg1 getting a fair share
Nobody takes it seriously, though. It's a joke. Nobody with two brain cells to rub together thinks that UEFA/FIFA/CAS are above board. They'll prove they're corrupt in this situation, yet again. They'll issue a fine/bribe request and nothing else will happen. Zero doubt.
Let's be real, we all know City are going to end up unharmed, let alone facing a points deduction or expulsion.
Then it means there isn't evidence of the claims and the correct result was made.
Just like in 2020
@@saptaccrvima3563 that was a technicality and absolutely zero exoneration of Manchester City occurred at that UEFA hearings you must have misunderstood the proceedings and result.
@@fioredeutchmark I might've, that was 3 years ago already and I have poor memory, what were the results, do you happen to know?
I sort of agree. And there is form in Europe. PSG is a good example. EUEFA found them (Man City)not guilty and did not get fined then in 2020.
Derby were deducted an overall 21 points in the EFL for failing to find a buyer during administration, yet City break the rules for over a decade, and will probably pay their way out of any severe penalties by paying a huge fine. Oil money, for you. Wouldn't be surprised if Chelsea/Newcastle are being kept a close eye on too.
Newcastle will be fine, they havent really splashed out, ps im an everton fan so no bias here, Chelsea on the other hand have surely been fiddling something
@Craig I'm not saying Newcastle haven't, I'm just saying Saudi owners and their spending/income are gonna be scrutinised by every inch now. Nothing wrong with Newcastle and what they've spent, I didn't say otherwise.
Newcastle are trying their best to stay within the limits, they know they'd face more scrutiny because of their owners and the controversy surrounding the takeover.
Paying their way out will not work this time.
As an Arsenal fan I'd love to see a points deduction and while that's in our own self interest I do genuinely believe it's the only fitting punishment. Fines mean nothing to City and they will just continue to cheat their way to success.
Arsenal will fall again don't get ahead of your self
@@only1_skunkit’s only one game vs everton don’t worry. Arsenal still winning the league as we speak, one loss against everton + one loss against man utd previous half of the season (which we still play decently) does not define our title charge
@Purple Skunk believe me I'm under no illusions and am aware that we need a stronger squad or we will drop off. That being said my point still stands and these clubs who regularly and blatantly cheat need to be held accountable.
everybody hatessss ussss na na na na, no one crying for chelsea to be investigated bc they’re still shite, i don’t blame them, it’s human nature, people just want to see the giants fall
Oil money fc finally being punished
Did anyone else find it odd that City only bought Haaland in the summer, and have sold lots of players? No business in January? Seems like they saw this coming.
Pep seems like he’s been pissed off in a few recent press conferences. Wonder if he knew something was coming
They were trying to play the victim lol. Even the haaland transfer was dodgy asf. They chose to offload players to act like saints.
Clearly you are the type to seek half the facts and assume? Are you forgetting signed in the summer was and England international midfield, a now Argentine world cup winner, shortly after Akanje and Perrone? What was sold was the shite that Chelsea paid near 70 mil.
This is media build up nonsense, Chelsea will see issue before anyone or any other team, city have been hounded for 5 years with this it's not new you snowflake
Saw what coming? If they bougth players what would happen? This is all from years ago not relevant to this year.
That's why Pep said he doesn't care about the Prem Title, he already knew...
OVER 100 TIMES IN 9 YEARS?????? They need to be relegated for that, absolutely disgusting
A points deduction ?
What a disgrace.
This envy
@@tonynogueira8900
They may have enough points to be deducted in certain seasons that would allow them to keep their titles.
If Man Utd or Liverpool did this at those levels we all know what the outcome would be.
Well yeah. If the system wasn't corrupt they'd be relegated and stripped of their titles.
The system is corrupt though. CAS is run by PSG's owner. He is just as guilty of breaking FFP, so we know for a fact he won't enforce any real punishment. It will be another fine, the money for which will go straight into the pockets of UEFA officials.
Should be out of the PL for a minimum of 3 years. This is absolutely digusting.
As a Man United fan, I’ve bought shitload of popcorn and I’m having fun watching 😂
yup, this and liverpool collapsing are great news for us eh? :P
It's nice that you finally have something to be happy about...
As a united fan I wish city will get punished harshly, but they’re just gonna transfer some more oil money into the people making the decisions and get a small slap on the wrist
Hope you choke a popcorn.
@@jayuppercase3398 along with many titles United won
I guess u just stared watching football....u r still in you egg kid ..🤣
Points deduction, 3 year transfer ban and a hefty fine are needed. A precedent needs set about what happens to clubs when they break financial regs. Of course we know there will be a tiny fine only.
How can they allow the owners to carry on after a decade of cheating the rest of the prem
Given that it’s over 100 I think that a ban from the PL would be appropriate
@@cmpc724 doubt there will be a points deducted, would kill the prem this season . we could see a long term transfer ban potentially
@@barandersu1712 They killed the Prem with their cheating while my honest team got shafted
All titles must be stripped for that period. Why have football rules that other clubs obey if City can come along and go we are special it does not apply.
As a Liverpool fan this makes me think about those seasons we fell short of the premier league by 1 point. Did we lose to a team that was cheating? I know this is alleged, but damn...
Yes you're owed 3 Prems
@@mikem8211 nah they ain't
Same with Utd and Spurs.
Not necessarily, only the 13/14 season is in question where Liverpool finished second
As a Chelsea fan city cheating in the champions league final through FFP we are owed the runners up spot aswell as the champions spot
I'm very confident now that Pep will leave at the end of this season. Klopp might be on a similar route (perhaps sacked, but probably a mutual termination) and I can't see either staying in the prem :( Tough to lose two of the best at the same time. Arteta and Howe are capable of creating a new guard but it's going to be very tough to get to the level of their predecessors.
Everyone said the same thing 2 summers ago. Keep hoping.
Looks like you are a daydreaming Arsenal fan. You'll establish what, when your nemesis Man Utd is still there? Jokes
I agree Pep is looking very likely to leave this summer. Klopp for me 50/50 depending on the new owner if any sales goes through.
Longevity doesn't really exist in modern football anymore. Hence that's why I so admire the Fergie and Wenger's tenure. They did spend but within means and build multiple teams throughout the years
I don't believe both will leave. I believe they'll run their contract and then leave for greener pastures, meaning that the football landscape will then change. Not now.
Gooners were calling for Arteta to go last season 😂😂😂 one good half season and he's one of the best managers in the league all of a sudden
Many people will mysteriously receive a generous gift and unrelatedly this will all go away
Its a shame if this drags out.. cos in the meantime city are operating with an unfair squad
Yeah , Unfair Squad that Never Lose 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 . . . If you don't like to watch beautiful Football just go and watch something on your level and Leave City Alone !
@@ManCity-BaladTV Americans☕
@@MrRico2409 ِAnd you are??? o.O
As a Chelsea fan and the amount we have spent this season (£660+million) I am worried. What are they going to slap on Chelsea?
Don't worry when a team gets a new take over they immune to ffp
For temporary time
@@giventema4009 thanks for that
as an Arsenal fan.. i can say these guys have been buying the tittle every season and we are supposed to applaud Pep as some sort of Genius?give me a break! how does spending billion to achieve something that only makes you millions an accomplishment? Arsenal & Liverpool do it the right way in my humble opinion
In that case you’ve bought the title this year spending the most money over the last two season 🤡
@@Smj1303 clueless, united and chelsea have spent more. atleast get your facts right
@@joednkj I guess it also has to do with sources of your revenues, right?
Liverpool used steroids on all their players lol. Everyone suddenly was asthmatic.
As a city fans , I think you shut your mouth because you know nothing about how we spent our money and how we used , just being jealous so get more football knowledge before talking
My immediate reaction as an Arsenal fan would be points deduction, but I would rather any league win was won on merit. But giving City a Glasgow Rangers style financial punishment and starting from scratch in the Conference whatever league should be handed out.
Let Guardiola manage city in the championship then against kompany 🤣🤣🙏
Kompany and Burnley Premier League next season
Nah burnley goin up
@@mazwamahledlamini7607 don't go too deep to ruin the joke
🤣🤣🤣 If they got relegated you wouldn't see him for dust. He'd be at PSG before current manager had opened his email telling him he's sacked.
@@somebodyelseuk Pep has to be the largest Manager fraud story in history
If you know what happened last time someone accused Man City of FFP breaches, then you know what will likely happen
Yep, they'll get fined which is like getting suspended for nicking off school 🙄
Yup. Nothing will happen. The Prem will hand the case to CAS and CAS will hand out a small fine and that will be heralded as justice, because PSG's owner (who is guilty of the exact same stuff) is also head of CAS.
The whole system is rigged.
EPL is a different set up with no time constraints on charges. All activities are included as evidence and cannot be excluded.
All clubs that are members of the EPL obey this rule and will through the process seek out that city are held to those rules as well.
The UK government is also looking over the should of the FA and EPL on this one. HMRC will also be looking at this as well.
The only way this can be put right, is deduct any profits from any titles they have won, award those titles to the team closest to them, deduct 100 points as there was 100 breaches and exclude them from european football for the next 2 years.
Theres been clubs who have been deducted points for match fixing but they still kept their trophies
Bro the crazy thing is that United would have won 3 Premier Leagues and Liverpool would have won 3 Premier Leagues more... Thats absolutely insane. Fergie would have won 6 Premier Leagues in 7 years....
🚨🚨 UEFA say they will NOT strip Manchester City off their Champions League titles.😊
which are where
That's a relief.ha ha ha 😂🤣😆
Because they have NONE!
Excellent don't think they will win the Champions League again this season.
As a Liverpool fan, it is just disgusting what they have got away with. Net spend, Liverpool aren't even in the top 5 in the league, yet we lost two league titles by a point due to City and their unbelievable squad which was created illegally.
What about 2014 as well….
your tears taste euphoric
cry dude, looser always looser try another reason
Bro u will always be against city you don’t have to state your a Liverpool fan, we’ll know just by your comments lmao
And Liverpool tapping up MCF Academy.......................glass houses and stones eh?
If City are getting fined now I can’t wait to see what happens to Chelsea!
To Chelsea nothing hey haven't cooked the books.
Their was no ffp when they were cheating
They immune to ffp for temporary time after new taking over
No point deducting point for single season when the breach has been happening for so many years. Obviously there must be some already fixed protocol of punishments, but I'd put financial cap in future transfers, investments etc equal to length of total seasons breached. The club has to suffer equal to the breach as possible, no less no more.
-9 points for 9 years. ;)
Their five fans will be furious
That joke just doesn't get old does it? Good luck with the seizure.
I wish The airings were going to be public. I want to know how Nottingham Forest are allowed to sign 30 players? How can Chelsea spend over a billion dollars in 2 seasons? Why have City been allowed to continue playing in the PL despite known breaches for years ? Why not a public airing? How can City be breaching rules but United have been able spend even more than City?
It will probably just be a big fine and once the Premier League have £50m in their pocket they'll forget all about it.
I can't see the Premier League punishing City the same way clubs in Italy get punished.
The difference between City and clubs like Derby is that the rules around points deductions when going into administration have already been set out.
In this instance there isn't a set punishment for what City have allegedly done.
Whatever punishment they are given needs to be the standard punishment for such breaches in future.
As a Man Utd fan, please also investigate Chelsea as well
failed club
@@mateusribeiro2773 Have you seen the league table?
@@TurtlesLV have u seen the past seasons in UCL?
The "financial rules"reminds me of when I was a kid and my Mum kept telling me I cant spend the monies given to me by my Uncles and Aunties the way I want to.
Man...!
Premier League Fair Play is the biggest joke. 9 years of pay to win non-stop.
And will they reverse any of their trophy success? Should do
A close eye needs to be kept on Chelsea and Newcastle we will probably find out in the next few years there doing the same thing
To be honest, I think Newcastle are being more smart about their business and actually building a foundation before splashing millions like Chelsea and City, though I think Eddie Howe has a lot to do with that, they're not using the early City formula but building a team.
You will have to wait for nothing.
We don't fiddle the books.
@@tonynogueira8900 yeah sure m8
Does this mean our old titles are safe. Tbh that’s all I care about, I don’t mind future points deductions or even relegations, just let us keep what we won
2009/10 season to 2018, the span of the duration of the alleged breach just shows how broken the FFP system is.
Current silence from City says it all! 😂🤘😎🎸
i cant wait to get a point deduction and still win not titles than united in the coming years
🤣🤣
Implying they ever had any fans lmao
Apparrntly they have been tefusing or taking time to provide PL with information
@@limpa756 cant wait to show up in league 1 with 30000 like we used to
How is a points deduction for breaches over 9 seasons enough
The fine was simply for not cooperating with UEFA. If the Premier League are indeed saying that their case is based on the UEFA rules and those were time barred, then this is a second bite at the cherry and may be deemed unfair. If so, they can be struck out. Also, if the 2014 adjudication by UEFA was on the same grounds as this Premier League investigation and charges, then this is effectively res judicata, in that the matter has already been the subject of investigation and sanction. This would be double jeopardy.
You seem like you know this! What type of punishment do you think it's expectable?
That is absolutely not the case. EPL case is not based on UEFA. It is based on activities within the EPL and is not subjected to European sports rules.
The UK government will step in and conducted an audit if the EPL does not at this point.
@@theportugueselegend I did follow the previous proceedings by UEFA pretty closely and read the full judgement from CAS (sad I know). I also have many years of legal experience which helps. I have no idea what sanction the premier league will come up with, if of course, City are convicted. And it will depend on how many of the allegations are proved. I imagine it will be a points deduction and also a pretty huge fine but i doubt if they will be brave enough to relegate them or expel them from the league but of course I could be well wide of the mark
Kaveh explains stuff very well. If it's a fair and transparent process then over 4 seasons, what's the appropriate point deduction for that? 20 points at least. Or perhaps even relegation to Championship. And 20-40 mil fine too I guess. Was it Mancini?
RELEGATE THEM!!!! I've seen clubs get relegated for way less.
Remember we are talking about Man City and Pep.
A point deduction would be a form of a slap on the wrist. 100 charges found in a span of 10 year during an investigation of 5 years!
If convicted, they'll get a massive points deduction, at the start of the following season. PL won't kick em out, in case other clubs are doing the same. However, the hiding payments situation will get HMRC's attention, the implications of which... they could end up getting wound up, as per the club formerly known as Glasgow Rangers.
Never called glasgow rangers just rangers still going from 1873
Why now ?
Wenger mentioned this loads of time before
He wasn't wrong.
He’s just jealous that he didn’t have a sugar daddy with big pockets when he was at Arsenal. Once a whiner, always a whiner. Now that he’s paid by Swiss daddy Infantino, he’s finally happy raking in the dough 😂
The cynic in me is saying why now. After all if I understand it correctly the premier league was aware of this stuff as far back as 2009. It doesn’t make sense to let this stuff continue and only now bring it to the world attention. Let’s see what happens to the club and what punishment is handed out.
Ok, after seeing this video and it now clarified what I was asking. But I’m still cynical.
That's why Pep said he doesn't care about the Prem Title, he already knew...
How many point is expected to be deducted from them as Minimum??
The laws are so toothless that I dont expect a significant punishment. Probably a small fine and maybe a small points deduction.
They'll never live this down. The crowd chants are gonna be brutal
Here's my punishment.
Make every player wear Timberlands during games for the rest of the season.
hahahaa
Why did it take this long? The process should be quicker for fairness and transparency for all clubs!
Give Liverpool all there titles 🎉😂
So is it that they weren't being properly monitored before or what? Why are they just finding this out now?
I’m not defending city but they aren’t the only club who have done this. I’m sure there are more clubs in the league who have done this. Hopefully the other clubs who have also done this get fined too
Who has funded there clubs using state money and state sponsorship given managers and players two contracts so they can cheat ffp as much as possible
Name them...
@@dondappapumpumslappa8051 Newcastle, City.
Chelsea
@@StuTheDon17 you're wrong mate. You're only saying that cuz of chelsea recent signings which is still within ffp. What City had done over the years is way more crazy, cuz they've paid some managers whereas the payment structure was reduce to deceive people and i am sure they did that to some playrrs as well. Are we talking about the amount of revenue cuz that as well have been pumped from external channel. So this is on city and stop pointing fingers at other clubs
Can someone explain me that what is alleged branches?
As manchester united fan I'm just in the terrace looking at what will happen to our rivals 🤣🤣🤣
Add that to your trophy cabinet
@@copymerchant1768 we still have trophies
@Copy Merchant no need mate we have a lot in there already
And don't understand Chelsea fans talking about this yous are complete hypocrites ye were nobody's until ye got a sugar daddy
Chelseas downfall is coming soon
@@davidmc446 don't speak like United are innocent in all this. Consistently destroying the market by buying 80m-100m players every summer and giving ridiculous wages every year.
@J W what you missing is Manchester united Liverpool and arsenal can spend that kind of money because they have a global fan base and don't need to doctor the books like city did because city's fan base is championship level
5 years investigation with the accused having allegations over turned with a reduced fine, so what is that 10,000,000 for alleged breaches.
Nothing is gonna happen, this will be dragged out and they’ll pay a fine like always its crazy everyone knows exactly what they have been doing and before the hacks even came out
Not this time.
@@bighands69 I hope your right
Why just now?
The whole world knew this years ago except uefa and premier league
So how did the whole world know more than the bodies with the evidence?
I've been saying this for years.
Some sad UTD fan in FA committe is trying the best to ruin man city and I wish him all the best
This is like the part in the movie when the rich kids on the high school sports team get caught cheating
why now? why at the time?
23 out of 29 premier leagues have been won by Man U Chelsea and city. These were the 3 riches clubs over this period. The league is already not competitive. I think we are all being fooled
wouldn’t Chelsea be in the discussion for ffp rules bc of how much they spent ?
No, they did it differently
Chelsea have got around it by signing extremely long contracts and paying in installments which Lowers the burden each financial year. Smart but also risky
maybe the players and staff knew this was coming so have not pushed on this year
That makes so much sense that Pep has stayed at City so long if he’s actually getting paid serious premier league star wages
Pep gets 525k per week officially, so who knows what the real figure is
We have seen all this before. It's like a common occurrence every season, 1 of 2 things will happen. They will be found guilty, they appeal and get off the hook again or nothing will happen and all this gets swept under the carpet again. Next season the same thing will happen again. The media eats it up every season, it's like they never learn.
Sir, this is the Earth's Premier League. If that happens in Mars' Premier League it's your problem. Here this is unpredecented
they will probably need to pay a fine. which they can pay easilly
@@theportugueselegend I think you need to take a step back and think from a logical and unbiased perspective. This is not what your deluded and illogical brain WANT/HOPE to happen. It's what is likely to happen. UEFA chased them down before, with clear evidence what happened then? They paid a small fine that's it. Next time maybe try using some parts of your small brain that's still functioning before replying
@@verbon47 Yup unfortunately that's how it is now. Even the fine they got from the case with UEFA was just a 10m fine which is like an astronomically small fraction compared to the money they get from winning the prem or by participating in the UCL.
@@Akira9212 I've said this type of law breaking is unprecedented. They have 100 counts for 9 plus years of books mismanagement. This is, as I've said, not only a FFP break. It's a complete financial crime against multiple clubs and the major organization that is the Premier League. Second ocurrence, but a much more bigger problem. What is likely to happen? Points deduction and a big fine. What I've really wanted and think it's needed? Relegation and 3 year transfer ban.
My tiny little brain just seems to be a little bit bigger than yours
“Heard in private” so they can make a deal then?
If this was happening in any other league there would be a major points deduction and sanctions. I have a feeling they're getting a fine and nothing else. They have the money, I don't see them pushing City down to a lower tier etc because they're a huge football club now. It's a money maker for them and unfortunately that's how these leagues look at things.
Also, if they’re going to take titles away from them (as reported) then what about the money they received for those titles? Does it get redistributed to the clubs who finished 2nd? Far too much to sort out here. Absolute Minimum punishment for me would be a large deduction of points and sanctions such as transfer bans. If Chelsea got a ban then City MUST.
They're not that big a club yet, miles behind Liverpool and Manchester United and still a way to go to get near an arsenal in terms of size.
Nothing meaningful will happen to them. One window transfer ban and a poxy fine would be my guess.
Is that why united started getting all concerned over FFP ?
How else can a small club do it?
I think SKY need to speak to their legal team. You can’t charge anyone or anything with offences that are deemed “Alleged”
salty city fan fr
The story is just starting. Juventus penalty coming to City
Well it’s the PL who’ve charged them not Sky
As long as they say it's all alleged, then they can say whatever they want.
Yeah, ya can. They're 'alleged' right to the point of the guilty verdict.
Sky's lawyers will have instructed them to use the word 'alleged' so City can't sue them for slander.
How has this gone on for so long
5 years of investigation and potentially only points deducted in the current season .
If that is the case absolutely pathetic!
What was the point of even investigating them 😡
If that is the outcome sends a message to Clubs can do just what they want .
Newcastle that way has done a great job until now in managing their resources, legally. With minimal big names added, they are still in top 4.
Its not an allegation, its what City have been found guilty of according to the investigation.
That's what people don't get. It is already proven they are guilty! They are just deciding the punishment and that's ehat worries me.
Of all the people they could've picked to host the show, they dug up a corpse and got them to do it
Instead of points deductions/stripping of league titles, can they not just eliminate them from all sporting competitions going forward so that they cease to exist? That would be a better way to solve this problem once and for all.
As a non-city fan, that's way to extreme and unfair to the fans who were around before 2008. I think relegation is the right response. If you want a really extreme punishment then relegate them to league 2 or something. That's probably the worst the punishment should be
Varchester united rat spotted
@@ianscarlett6884 they had fan's before 2008?
As a football fan I'd like to see the clubs titles and trophies stripped.
Finally, hope they deduct past won trophies by cheating! Serious punishment will only work, give the trophies to the real winners who was not breaking financial rules
they won’t, cry some more
Give all trophies to spurs
@@kuldipjadeja2185 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
There won’t be any punishment, other teams who complied won’t be retrospectively adjusted for league positions etc - totally pointless