Personally I feel most of these legends start at a big team too soon where expectations are high and no room for error, like Pirlo did fairly good now in retrospect but his but his goodness was overshadowed by the high expectations of coaching a team like Juve.. I like the Louis Enrique path starting from a small team do there 3 years before reaching for a big club where expectations are high and little room for error. Most of these former legends they reach for the spotlight too soon and get swallowed by huge expectations and performance targets that they end up failing to express themselves fully and find their identity post playing coaching identity.
Agreed. Luis Enrique's ideas were not that accepted at Roma but he excelled from Celta onwards, and now he is doing fairly well in Spain. You need that early experience to learn from your mistakes before you become an established manager for bigger teams.
Agree, even Zidane learned as assistant coach before coaching Real Madrid. Becoming a coach definitely need experience, which I think Gerard manage his path well
@@mjmulenga3 Yeah, Lampard hurt his coaching career permanently by taking the Chelsea job too early. Gerrard on the other hand seems to be doing all the right decisions. He is slowly working his way up to trying a big team.
Marco van Basten has said that he found it difficult to translate his tactics to players that weren't world-class stars and that he would become mentally fatigued after a lost game. He's a much better pundit
@@nadeemamode not everyone can be a teacher. I watch a show which had retired star players as coach recruiting beginners and there's an episode where an amateur player taught those beginners better than the coaches ever did.
@@AIIXIII0 I tend to agree. Not everyone has a broad range of learning or coaching styles. in my line of work we call it train the trainer. The coach can sometimes pass an instruction to a senior player who already grasped it and the younger player will see it in action and sometimes that works better During game time, sometimes it's the player who passes on instructions from coach to teammates when theres a tactical sub.
@@nadeemamode Yup. From my own experience, I can't teach people school stuff back then because I kinda learn it differently than what the teachers taught. Also taught some beginners football. I find I got great result out of them. Most of my team during my school years are filled with beginners footballer but I can't teach any footballers at my own level well 😂 Honestly, I don't know why. Maybe because I'm self-taught.
Ancelotti was part of the best Milan team in history, that one from 1987 to 1992, with Van Basten in his prime. He won the Champions Cup two times with that team. and he did not begin management "in the lower leagues", he only coached newly relegated Reggiana for 6 months in Serie B and won instant promoton back. Then Parma took him. A former Milan player coaching for 6 months in Serie B does not mean that he learned management in lower leagues lol. He had learned from the best at the highest level possible.
I feel like Kaiser Franz is still the best example of a successful player and coach. He had such a natural authority even as a young player, he is one of the all-time greats, he has done and seen it all, and he had a deep understanding of the game. Everyone who had him as a coach never had any reason to doubt him or not give 100 %. It was Kaiser Franz after all, the Lichtgestalt of German football :).
At 7:30, I noticed Wayne Rooney was highlighted as a 'non-good' coach. This is a very harsh assessment by DW, considering that Derby are handed transfer sanctions over the last 2 windows and a massive 21-point deduction which are not his fault nor from his own doing. He also inherited a below-average squad in terms of quality, a team that has been battling relegation for the last 2 years. Furthermore, it's only his first full season in charge, let's see how he would fare later on in his coaching career before labelling him as a 'non-good' coach. A very good video and insights nonetheless, credit to DW.
Given the circumstances, Rooney probably is an excellent coach with a doomed situation where if it wasn't a massive deduction, he'd have had them fighting for playoffs.
tbh Pirlo didn't fail, the Juve squad simply wasn't at the level to compete even for top 4, somehow he and CR7 got them a 4th place finish. And he won actual silverware also. This year they're getting the same keague finish, with 0 trophies, and a much more defensive and boring style of football.
Pirlo force "modern" attractive attacking football to juventus which in contrast with the available players that juventus had. This is why you should bring a manager with the same mindset after you sacking the previous one. Alegri and pirlo tactics are different, but conte and Alegri are similar in terms of what they want to do.
What a bullshit. That was the squad Sarri won the league. The biggest problem was CR ,that team has to change thier style of play. And the reason they finished 4th is Chiesa, his clutch performances. Without him team would be now in Europa.
@@aviralsharma5669 Pep was part of the Dream Team of 91-92 that won the Champions League and went on to win four successive La Liga titles. Seems like a top star to me
That's true bro ithink the writer just some sort of lack of knowledge about aman that have stadium, a Copa and building tiki-taka for some catalan club
This is why I have so much respect for Wayne rooney as manager. He earned lots of money as a player but is now a derby county manager and he is actually doing really well
Ronald Koeman too, juggernaut culer, phenomenal player, absolute legend of the game. Horrible as a coach, has no tactics, too arrogant, never wrong, never accepts mistakes.
@@brrrrrtenjoyer His idea that academy players should play the same as the main team was great,altough it backfired in recent years. Apart from that,his so called Dream Team was nothing special,they won La Liga only on goal difference,won Champions Leauge on penalties. His refusal to play defensive football led to AC Milan demolishing them 4-0 in the 1994 CL Final,you can say karma too,his derogatory comments about Cattenacio and Milan before the game really came back to bite him in the ass. Apart from that,he was arrogant,had a huge ego,and got crucial players thrown out of the Netherlands national team.
@@kadasrichard Dude,ur understatement on Cruyff is just off.Cruyff was not only one of the greatest footballers ever,but arguably one of the greatest managers of all times.No one beats his football philosophy of total football known in the modern era as Tikitaka which revolutionised football as we thought of it n Pep just continued that legacy.Its not about winning titles,but how the beautiful game is played.That's what makes Cruyff's philosophy legendary.
In American sports yes great players often fail as managers/head coaches but, while there were some spectacular failures but, I am not sure it is the case in Football. Zidane, Ancelotti, Gerrard, Vieira, Xavi, Deschamps were all world class players and are now good or great managers. Pep, Poch, Simeone, Conte, Enrique, Arteta all played at a really high level in their careers. One of the greatest players ever Cruyff became one of the most important managers ever.
In most sports, those players who weren't considered stars, would be ideal coaches/managers because they would have think about tactics, strategies or focus on the tendencies of the opposition. Usually, a goalkeeper, defensemen or non attacking midfielders would be more likely coaches than forwards or attacking players. Again it's because of they are more concerned about positions between themselves and their teammates. Those offensively gifted players have difficulty explaining how to do things and I suspect that they would get very frustrated with those who have less talent than themselves. Beckenbauer didn't have any official coaching experience, but I would argue that those years playing for the Cosmos helped him. He would be directing the team on the pitch (I mean what coach could tell these star players what to do?) I haven't a clue to who the coach was! Star players who coaches the youth squads, have a better chance of succeeding than those being thrown onto the first team. Eventhough I'm Real Madrid, I'm very curious of how Xavi handles Barcelona. Hopefully, Raúl would have an honest opportunity to guiding Madrid.
Bill Russell won 11 NBA Championships with the Boston Celtics but he was a very poor coach at Sacramento because he expected his players to be as good and as naturally gifted as he was. He would just tell his players to just get the rebound not realising perhaps that not everybody was like him who was athletic and had an innate positional sense to get those rebounds
Gattuso is actually a pretty good manager and even won Napoli a trophy. His teams, especially at Napoli were capable of really good football and were defensively compact too. You just can't write him off because he couldn't qualify for the Champions League.
I think the job of Barça's coach is uniquely difficult, because you have to win, and win in a specific way (tiki-taka). Time has proved that by playing in this way, the Catalan club could win, and win beautifully. Therefore, ex Barça players have great advantages when they become the first team's coach, because they have the Barça DNA, they know Cruyff's philosophy. Vamos Xavi! Visca el Barca!
Isn’t Ronald Koeman an ex Barca player? What happened then? Why didn’t he have the ‘DNA’? Where was that so-called DNA pre-Rijkaard & Ronaldinho when Valencia were arguably bigger challengers for trophies to Madrid? This current Barcelona team doesn’t even play like the one Pep had! Ya’ll just like throwing around words, DNA this, DNA that!
@@BillyPhilipRwoth That's because of the President effect son. FC Barcelona democracy is divided into two factions. Cruyffistas and Nuñistas. When a Nuñista is a president he prefers other managers. Bartomeu, Rossel, Gaspart were all former president who were Nuñistas. They hate Cruyff. But Presidents like Laporta or Font who was a candidate are Cruyffistas. They love the Cruyff way. So they like to appoint The manager who is most Cruyffistic in style. Yes Xavi doesn't plays like Pep. Pep never played like Cruyff. But the essence of the play was always the same. And Koeman isn't a Cruyffist coach. He is a pragmatic manager. He has been a defensive manager all along in his career. Who plays on counter attack. Xavi on the other hand plays on the strengths of our system. Koeman tried to end tiki taka. Xavi wants to Revive that. That's the difference. We don't throw the DNA arround.
No, not a bad player, but his honours as a player was winning the 2nd division twice. The video labels that as an 'ordinary career' and it doesn't sound off the mark to me.
There's one more thing, I think was missed. Maybe it's less relevant in the big leagues, or they just don't allow the time to makeit work. When Gerrard was appointed Rangers manager, I wasn't ecstatic as I didn't like the idea of my club being a stepping stone for a manager, and I completely agreed with what was said here, in that great managers don't have a higher rate of success as a manager. But what I didn't consider was just how (imo) shallow a lot of players can be. They want a name, and most of them, at least when it comes to new managers, will trust and follow the 'name' more than a 'non-playing' coach. It became an attractive feature of the club for a lot of young players to come to work under Gerrard. That soft power can bring better players, which can affect their success.
So... 7 out of 44 were successful. That is a success ratio of 16%. Small sample, but I'd say that sounds like a very good hit ratio. How many non football players who become coaches are then successful? Even if we include former players who were not that good (like Klopp)? Do we get to 16%? I'd guess not.
Not to mention the players respect for their coach and how much time they have to build a connection with the players. Look at Manchester United for example. Coach after coach after coach, barely any time to set up a team around their playstyle, bad chemistry between the coaches and certain players, and a lot of pressure to show results instantly.
I mean, a bunch of them jump into a coaching position shortly after retiring from pro ball, so they lack the experience. Being good at playing football doesn't qualify you as a manager. There are lots of people that are phenomenal at performing one job and play their parts to perfection but managing a team of individuals is a whole different beast.
One of the worst decisions former players can do is step into their first job mid-season. Henry at Monaco or Neville at Valencia are two recent examples of this. You'd at least want the preseason to prepare for such high pressure jobs.
You're right that Zidane took over Real Madrid mid-season in January 2016, which was his first job as a head coach. However, Zidane's case is an exception rather than the rule. His deep understanding of the club, the respect he commanded from the players, and his connection to the club's culture contributed to his success, leading Real Madrid to three consecutive Champions League titles. For most former players, especially those without significant coaching experience, taking over a team mid-season can be challenging due to the lack of preparation time, the need to adapt quickly, and the pressure to deliver immediate results. Zidane's success doesn't necessarily mean it's a safe path for others, as we've seen with examples like Henry and Neville.
What a brilliant video. So well put together, well produced and presented. I felt it was fair and covered all aspects. Well done. And thank you. Enjoyed it. As for the content, it's such a iffy thing. Nothing really can predict how it turns out. Gerrard at Aston Villa, Viera at Crystal Palace, Xavi at Barcelona. I hope they succeed. In the end, it's those who treat their players and staff well that's important.
whenever south american / centeral american country teams face Japan or Korea in soccer , Korean and Japanese players always get fouled horrendously ... Because in Asia , people have learned not to bother other people since since kindergarden . in the game even saw a south american / centeral american player throw a ice box of Korean & Japanese team .
Pirlo only failed as a coach because he coached Juventus as his first team, most coaches start off small to get more experience then go on to coach top teams.
@@franzreyes6185 yeah, it's unfair to Pirlo managerial career. He was only there to manage the youth team but promoted to first team because Juve didn't sign anyone as their manager.
I think Germany and Italy have the balanced approach of either hiring ex players or club legends. Germany's case would be Franz, Jupp Heynekes, Otto Renehagel or Gunter Nëtzer from previous era and new era guys like Flick, Kloop, Tuchel. In Italy's it would be Lippi, Sacchi, Cesare Maldini, Capello, Trapatoni from the previous era or guys like Manchini, Conte, Materazzi's father or that bald coach of Napoli, Marco Rossi.
The coach of Napoli Is spalletti and he never played in serie a, Only lower italian leagues like italy's 3rd division. If you mean Cannavaro he Is a coach and quite successful but Only in the cinese league.he would have to show his quality in a european league like xavi Is doing now.
This why José Mourinho is the goat he don't have the player reputation but have the tactics the mind others aspects who make him one the greatest manager ever
Gerrard has done a tremendous job. Aston Villa were in a relegation fight when he came and now in a comfortable mid table position. Give him time, I don't like it he is in the thumbnail.
Many great players do not know why the succeeded as a player and assume that their pattern for success is THE pattern for success. Great players often did not see the whole game and so don't understand really what other players on the pitch did. It requires more humility to be a coach than a player, and I find that strikers in particular have difficulty making that adjustment.
Great coaches in previous generations like Matt Busby, Helenio Herrera, Bill Shankly, Bob Paisley, Udo Lattek, Otto Rehhagel, Giovanni Trapattoni, Jupp Heynckes, Fabio Capello, Marcello Lippi, Ottmar Hitzfeld and Alex Ferguson are not super stars but nevertheless good players.
Matt Busby was definitely a star player, he captained Man City and Liverpool unfortunately his career was cut short by WW2. theres a reason why he gained instant respect when he started his managerial career at united at age 36.
@@harukrentz435 Yes he was a old fashioned star player and skipper for Man City and Liverpool but not a modern super star who makes tens of millions a year.
Let's face it most managers fail in football period. The fact an ex player was great or not doesn't really matter. There's also a measure of luck about if you're successful or not. I mean obviously Zidane did a very good job in both stints at Real Madrid, but the fact that was his first job and it was that group of players. Or the fact Pep gelot that Barcelona team to begin with, then went to that Bayern team and even the city he got to take over. If Xavi took over a Barcelona team with himself in his prime, Iniesta and Messi in it, it would probably be a different story. If Gerrard got to take over the Liverpool team Klopp built he'd have probably done really well, if not great. But if Zidane started his career managing Everton or Villa, he'd have failed too. For sure. Then he would never have got a shot at managing Real Madrid. It's what team, what players, and at what time that can make or break a managers career. The problem is for ex top players, they often get thrown in at the deep end and it's sink or swim. Few of them really cut their managerial teeth and build up. Even Gerrard with going to rangers, firstly wasn't there long enough, didn't achieve enough there before moving on. But I think in modern day football, to go from the Scottish League to the Premier League is too big of a jump. He should have stayed at rangers, then went to a championship team, built them up, got them playing how he wants, built a trust and loyalty with that squad. Then attack the premier league together. Or simply do what Zidane did, stay affiliated with his former club, in this case Liverpool. Manage the youth team a bit longer, really try to recruit the best young players that him can from around the country. Learn from Klopp. Then be a sporting director, to ensure you get the say on who's being signed and why etc. Then be the assistant manager of Klopp. Learning everything him could. Then be ready to replace him. Hopefully at just the right moment with a great team capable of winning UCL's. But he didn't, and now I think he'll have to wait a long time, if ever, to manage Liverpool. And like many before him, he'll struggle to get the stigma of being a bad manager off him now.
Lampard is a great example of a great player who failed as a manager. People will realise when he takes the most expensive Everton squad ever assembled into the second tier for the first time in over 60 years.
@@DoomsdaySlayer I know that, but competition waits for no 1. Atletico might bounce back, Sevilla is doing good as well. RM will have Mbape and maybe Haland and few more signings whilst Barca can't. Talented young players like Fati and Pedri can only take you so far....ideally you want your best players in their prime (24-28) but Barca players are just too young
@@sumomaster5585 Barca suffered the most from losing Messi and stupid President with stupid transfer decisions which almost bankrupt them yet despite all that, Xavi manage to cope and make Barca fearsome again.
Why is Xavi and Gerrard in the thumbnail? They've been doing a great job and it's still so early for them, should be someone like Koeman or Lampard imo
Pirlo was given the Juventus job at the worst possible moment, which only made life worse for him. He was set up to fail. Should have continued his work with Juve's Primavera team and gathered experience.
Now that you mentioned dortmund it’s interesting that you missed the other ballon d’or winner aside matthäus and also won champions league as a player and bundesliga as a coach. Mathias sammer.
@@rejectionisprotection4448 i think it has to do with how good the german team back then and also the attacking player bias back then probably didn’t help. And he retired too early sadly due to his injury.
I think also the players position and role has some aspect to it. Like a flashy attacking player vs a defender or holding midfielder who bled for the team.
Because they often start coaching a big team, usually the one where they played their best years as a player. If they had start from the bottom, managing a youth team even, and then moving up from there, they'd probably had time to develop their skills and find their own way and philosophy, develop their own ideas. But most don't want to put in that much time and effort in. Probably their ego take a huge part on it too.
This belief of Zidane not being tactically good is absolutely ridiculous. I remember the game against Citi in the Bernabeu. Madrid tactically held Guardiola's Citi but only for individual errors to cost them in both legs.
Arrigo Sacchi influence many players in 90's and early 2000.. He is the best manager all of time.. He also made Johan Cruyff been sacked after being beaten by AC Milan in 1990
Don't use Pirlo picture in this video , he was a great player and he is a great coach ! He had two trophies in his first ever manager role just in six months and without pre-season ! He did it with dead midfield ( juventus's worst ever squad) If you don't watch matches then don't use someone's picture or name !
Playing and coaching are two different jobs: no one will let you play for Bayern, Real or Arsenal without a long process of learning, so why would they let anyone manage a big team without experience?
The answer is quite simple. They only became coaches because of their names, and not their ability. They will get a good job with little to no effort, while someone who was not a known player will have to work 100 times harder to get a chance. I would like to see Guardiola managing a club in 2nd division or a club that has very little transfer funds and is fighting against relegation.
The problem with great players is that most expect their team to perform at some expectation that exceeds them. The time they played is what they envision as what the team should strive to be. However, most players on their roster or in the current world are not of that caliber. I'm not to say that those are players are worse or better, but a good manager should be able to look at the roster and have a concrete tactic. Also, Roy Keane said it excellently when he said the players themselves have become soft. You need a manager who is willing to take the blame himself rather than point at players for the loss. We see that in Klopp, Pep, Conte, Tuchel, Pochettino, Nagelsmann, Flick.
I believe that truly great players have never needed to understand the game and how to find a role for themselves because they were naturally talented, didn't need to question themselves and always had a natural place in the set up. Average players usually have to know themselves and work to optimise their strengths and limit their weaknesses and pay close attention to others as they may have to compete with them and find a place - sometimes across a myriad of circumstances and teams. Great players have teams built round them, average players have to understand how to fit in. Consequently, with few exceptions (definitely Cruiyff, perhaps Zidane) great players haven't given the overall game, and its mixed currency of talents, as much thought during their career as average players do. They might then struggle to relate to average players or have unrealistic expectation of them. I think Cruiyff was an interesting exception as e came from a Dutch era of constant challenging and influencing by players and so despite his unique talent he was constantly thinking of the whole team and how what he did related to others in the team. I think that grounding as a player from that era of 'total football' made him a successful manager
It's very premature to judge Xavi and appears more like a click bait to put him in the thumbnail. He is at 2.10 points per games so far. He also didn't have a full season at Barca yet. After this season we can perhaps have a fair discussion.
As a Juventus supporter, I can say Pirlo didn't fail. Two cups, UCL qualification with a worse team than Allegri has now! In his first ever season as a coach!!! I'd swap Allegri back out for him in a heartbeat.
I started looking at this in American football and all is still correct. Doesn’t matter the sport. Would also like to add someone said a major factor is these all times greats didn’t have to keep improving and learning while the other half did just to stay employed.
Why is Gerrard in the thumbnail? He's only been coaching fir 3 or 4 seasons and has a league title n some under his cabinet alrdy. Poor choose should've chose somebody like Thierry Henry or Gary Neville
Imagine Messi coaching players. it would be frustrating cause there Is no player who can do what he does and u cant learn it or teach it. The players would also be frustrated cause they know the aren't at that level and would feel judged by a standard thats to high. it just wouldn't work he has to much talent, what he does is about natural born talent mixed with very high in-game IQ he would struggle to understand why the players can't do what he would do.we've already seen it sometimes with Argentina and Barca when the players aren't up to par with his standards,he checks out of the game becomes frustrated because he doesn't understand why things that come so easy & naturally to him are so difficult for others.
Though I'm not done with the video, I'd assume it's to do with them trying replicate methods that previously worked for them... In the midst of a game that's constantly changing and evolving. Coaches who were relatively less successful players are more open to new methods and approaches.
I think "non legendary" players are often more successful coaching is because they connect with all the players more closely. They know how to communicate and connect with their top goal scorers all the down to the last guy on the bench because they may sat on the bench in their careers as well.
why you left Arteta out...He is a new brand of Managers who had a great top midfiled player out of top 4 clubs at Everton then played at Arsenal...now he is showing a glimpse of Top notched coaching talent for Arsenal.
If the past trajectory is a trusted predictor for the future, then Xavi would be a great coach. Gerard doesn't show the same promise that Xavi has shown us so far.
Xavi used to play, eat and breathe FC Barcelona way, and now he is coaching FC Barcelona (which is still one of big teams in Europe). Gerrard used to play for Liverpool FC but now he is coaching a team below Liverpool's level.
puskas was a great manager, taking a greek club all the way to ucl final in Wembley in 1971. xavi won the asian world cup with al sadd a couple of times, zidane we dont need to talk about i feel we all know what he did. lampard, unpopular opinion, is actually a good manager. he got chelsea to 4th place in his first season consistently staying in the top 3 and also when he managed derby country he wasnt that bad. johan cruyff, introduced the tiki taka to the world of football, won multiple awards with barcelona, made the best academy in the world which we all know as la masia. everyone says messi changed barcas history but without cruyff's investments in the academy messi would not be as we know him. ancelloti, big carla, has won it all with milan and real madrid and with other clubs. one of the most underrated ones, Mauricio Pochettino, got spurs to the ucl final and didnt really win serious trophies which is a big shame because he is a great manager. jupp heynckes, if you dont know him do you remember the uvl inal between bayern and dortmund, where robben scored in fergie time to win it? hewas the manager. he won the uclwith madrid and bayern, won the bundesliga with bayern and schalke and won the dfb pokal. and of course pep guardiola. need to say anything else? nope
It's odd how I can tell that it's a heavy German accent, even though the th is fine.. It's superhard to put your finger on it .. "Owners" pronounced as "Ow'nuss" instead of "ownizz" or "ownerrzz".. and then the word "as" pronounced as "ess" instead of "aezzz".. We GErmans can't pronounce the "a" as in "stand" or in "tactical". We say "Tecktikkl" when it has to be "taecktikl".. and then pronouncing the "s" at the end of words as "s" and not as "z".. We also don't do the glottal stop, as in "Sto***p" or "Tar***t" or "W***hich". But still good English I guess, if clearly one of us :D
does position also play a role, cm/dm players seems to be a better managers than strikers, look at zidane, guardiola and now xavi, also there is gerard even lampard did well first season in chelsea despite squad limits, xabi alonso is building his career, compare that to attackers like maradona or roony so maybe one day we could see modric or kdb as top managers
Great managers are administrators in modern football. It is not about a brilliant strategy but about building a team from scouts, financial people, analysts etc. Great players struggle with this because they had spent their whole careers focuses on their skill and had teams designed around them.
I think it's totally normal that few elite players succeed to become elite coaches. Being "elíte" is VERY difficult in every context and it takes time and luck for the "astral conjunctions" to evolve in a perfect way. There are also former players and elite players that coach at "low" or "mid" level, as far as there are "low" and "mid" level players as Ferguson and MANY MANY others we DON'T know
Personally i don't have a gripe with old players being coaches if they deserve it. Use my club for example lfc. Our current owners won't sign a ex player just because he is a ex player. The most tipped however to replace klopp is gerrard although he himself wants to earn that honour hence going to rangers and now villa and hopefully with time he does earn it. Like sir kenny for example. As manager he led liverpool to 3 league titles, 2 fa cups, 1 league cup and 4 charity shields. After being educated by the legendary bootroom learing from some of the greatest managers in british history in bob paisley and joe fagan. Also then winning the league with blackburn rovers in 95 and a scottish league cup with celtic.
Xavi is amazing at Barca. Zidane is also op coach. And World class player too. And beckenbuear, deschamps ,zagallo is the only 3 who win World Cup as a player and coach.❤️🔥 Ex: Guardiola But also some World class players are awful managers. Sad but truth.💔🥺
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“Zidane never says a bad word about players, he will always defend his players.” Gareth Bale would like a word
LOL! Well played, sir. Well played.
The man said Wales Golf Madrid in that order
@@waelal-amri2161 No his team hold that banner he was just celebrating a win with Wales
James Rodriguez will like to give a Speech
@@davidhideg6329 No other Welsh played for Real! Bale shouldn't have done celebrated with that banner btw!
Personally I feel most of these legends start at a big team too soon where expectations are high and no room for error, like Pirlo did fairly good now in retrospect but his but his goodness was overshadowed by the high expectations of coaching a team like Juve.. I like the Louis Enrique path starting from a small team do there 3 years before reaching for a big club where expectations are high and little room for error. Most of these former legends they reach for the spotlight too soon and get swallowed by huge expectations and performance targets that they end up failing to express themselves fully and find their identity post playing coaching identity.
Great analysis, Barnet. Spot on!
Agreed. Luis Enrique's ideas were not that accepted at Roma but he excelled from Celta onwards, and now he is doing fairly well in Spain. You need that early experience to learn from your mistakes before you become an established manager for bigger teams.
Agree, even Zidane learned as assistant coach before coaching Real Madrid. Becoming a coach definitely need experience, which I think Gerard manage his path well
Agreed. Frank Lampard comes to mind.
@@mjmulenga3 Yeah, Lampard hurt his coaching career permanently by taking the Chelsea job too early. Gerrard on the other hand seems to be doing all the right decisions. He is slowly working his way up to trying a big team.
Marco van Basten has said that he found it difficult to translate his tactics to players that weren't world-class stars and that he would become mentally fatigued after a lost game.
He's a much better pundit
It takes world class stars to understand world class tactics?
@@nadeemamode not everyone can be a teacher. I watch a show which had retired star players as coach recruiting beginners and there's an episode where an amateur player taught those beginners better than the coaches ever did.
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I tend to agree. Not everyone has a broad range of learning or coaching styles.
in my line of work we call it train the trainer. The coach can sometimes pass an instruction to a senior player who already grasped it and the younger player will see it in action and sometimes that works better
During game time, sometimes it's the player who passes on instructions from coach to teammates when theres a tactical sub.
@@nadeemamode Yup. From my own experience, I can't teach people school stuff back then because I kinda learn it differently than what the teachers taught. Also taught some beginners football. I find I got great result out of them. Most of my team during my school years are filled with beginners footballer but I can't teach any footballers at my own level well 😂 Honestly, I don't know why. Maybe because I'm self-taught.
@@AIIXIII0 what is the show called?
Ancelotti was part of the best Milan team in history, that one from 1987 to 1992, with Van Basten in his prime. He won the Champions Cup two times with that team. and he did not begin management "in the lower leagues", he only coached newly relegated Reggiana for 6 months in Serie B and won instant promoton back. Then Parma took him. A former Milan player coaching for 6 months in Serie B does not mean that he learned management in lower leagues lol. He had learned from the best at the highest level possible.
No mention of Cruyff.Why?
One of the greatest both as player and manager.
Well there was a mention, but you're right: The number 14 deserved more space.
@@dwkickoff Definitely...
In my opinion the greatest coach of all time and the 3rd greatest player of all time
@@NG-gu7dx I would agree with you considering what he contributed to my club Barça and football in general both as player and coach.
Not only that, but one of the most influential football philosopher
I feel like Kaiser Franz is still the best example of a successful player and coach. He had such a natural authority even as a young player, he is one of the all-time greats, he has done and seen it all, and he had a deep understanding of the game. Everyone who had him as a coach never had any reason to doubt him or not give 100 %. It was Kaiser Franz after all, the Lichtgestalt of German football :).
Cruyff is easily the best example of a successful player and coach. Franz was good but he didnt revolutionize the game like Cruyff did.
@@Arjonko I am sorry, what? You have some serious catching up to do on how Franz literally did what you claimed he didn't do.
@@MrReese what? you are out of your mind if you think Franz has influenced the game more than Cruyff.
Looks like you forgot Zidane
@@Arjonko That is not what I wrote.
At 7:30, I noticed Wayne Rooney was highlighted as a 'non-good' coach.
This is a very harsh assessment by DW, considering that Derby are handed transfer sanctions over the last 2 windows and a massive 21-point deduction which are not his fault nor from his own doing.
He also inherited a below-average squad in terms of quality, a team that has been battling relegation for the last 2 years.
Furthermore, it's only his first full season in charge, let's see how he would fare later on in his coaching career before labelling him as a 'non-good' coach.
A very good video and insights nonetheless, credit to DW.
he would have Derby safe without these sanctions, looking at his wins and draws
Well said sir. He’s doing an amazing job considering the circumstances
Rooney loses every game
@@batman-ve5mb obviously not you turd biscuit
Given the circumstances, Rooney probably is an excellent coach with a doomed situation where if it wasn't a massive deduction, he'd have had them fighting for playoffs.
tbh Pirlo didn't fail, the Juve squad simply wasn't at the level to compete even for top 4, somehow he and CR7 got them a 4th place finish. And he won actual silverware also. This year they're getting the same keague finish, with 0 trophies, and a much more defensive and boring style of football.
Pirlo force "modern" attractive attacking football to juventus which in contrast with the available players that juventus had.
This is why you should bring a manager with the same mindset after you sacking the previous one.
Alegri and pirlo tactics are different, but conte and Alegri are similar in terms of what they want to do.
Naaa pirlo wasn't good enough
And it was his first season as manager when he initially only there to manage the youth team. They ask Pirlo too much.
What a bullshit. That was the squad Sarri won the league. The biggest problem was CR ,that team has to change thier style of play. And the reason they finished 4th is Chiesa, his clutch performances. Without him team would be now in Europa.
@@Arunk491 problem was they tried to make the team fit cr7 not cr7 fit the team. same problem united had
I was hoping for a word on Xavi and Gerrard whose managerial career have just started to bloom.
Yeah about that...
@@Batman-jq9jq Yeah about that... again...
@@Batman-jq9jq aged like milk this comment
@@erosivy wait my comment or the op's comment?💀💀
@@Batman-jq9jq about that ...
Xavi in the thumbnail is just wrong 💀
which one?
@@dwkickoff Xaviiiiii
@@dwkickoff just be honest, you need to know how to reply properly.
@@dwkickoff the one next to Steven Gerard
Sorry, our reply was meant for Hanif Tri's comment (below).
Zidane, Simeone, Guardiola were all top stars as players
A handful of successes in a sea of failures...
Guardiola and someone were not "top stars"
@@aviralsharma5669 they were
Well, someone is at least someone
@@aviralsharma5669 Pep was part of the Dream Team of 91-92 that won the Champions League and went on to win four successive La Liga titles. Seems like a top star to me
You forgot Johan Cruyff. That man was a legend in every way possible in Football.
That's true bro ithink the writer just some sort of lack of knowledge about aman that have stadium, a Copa and building tiki-taka for some catalan club
This is why I have so much respect for Wayne rooney as manager. He earned lots of money as a player but is now a derby county manager and he is actually doing really well
Scaloni hasn't ever run a team before Argentina's football team and we now see how he's going.
Ronald Koeman too, juggernaut culer, phenomenal player, absolute legend of the game.
Horrible as a coach, has no tactics, too arrogant, never wrong, never accepts mistakes.
😂😂😂
So,a typical Dutch coach?
@@kadasrichard Cruyff?
@@brrrrrtenjoyer His idea that academy players should play the same as the main team was great,altough it backfired in recent years. Apart from that,his so called Dream Team was nothing special,they won La Liga only on goal difference,won Champions Leauge on penalties. His refusal to play defensive football led to AC Milan demolishing them 4-0 in the 1994 CL Final,you can say karma too,his derogatory comments about Cattenacio and Milan before the game really came back to bite him in the ass. Apart from that,he was arrogant,had a huge ego,and got crucial players thrown out of the Netherlands national team.
@@kadasrichard Dude,ur understatement on Cruyff is just off.Cruyff was not only one of the greatest footballers ever,but arguably one of the greatest managers of all times.No one beats his football philosophy of total football known in the modern era as Tikitaka which revolutionised football as we thought of it n Pep just continued that legacy.Its not about winning titles,but how the beautiful game is played.That's what makes Cruyff's philosophy legendary.
In American sports yes great players often fail as managers/head coaches but, while there were some spectacular failures but, I am not sure it is the case in Football. Zidane, Ancelotti, Gerrard, Vieira, Xavi, Deschamps were all world class players and are now good or great managers. Pep, Poch, Simeone, Conte, Enrique, Arteta all played at a really high level in their careers. One of the greatest players ever Cruyff became one of the most important managers ever.
Gerrard 🤣🤣🤣
@@eltoro8166 I feel like the dude is just marinating in his house waiting for Klopp to be sacked instead of proving himself as a coach
In most sports, those players who weren't considered stars, would be ideal coaches/managers because they would have think about tactics, strategies or focus on the tendencies of the opposition. Usually, a goalkeeper, defensemen or non attacking midfielders would be more likely coaches than forwards or attacking players. Again it's because of they are more concerned about positions between themselves and their teammates.
Those offensively gifted players have difficulty explaining how to do things and I suspect that they would get very frustrated with those who have less talent than themselves.
Beckenbauer didn't have any official coaching experience, but I would argue that those years playing for the Cosmos helped him. He would be directing the team on the pitch (I mean what coach could tell these star players what to do?) I haven't a clue to who the coach was!
Star players who coaches the youth squads, have a better chance of succeeding than those being thrown onto the first team. Eventhough I'm Real Madrid, I'm very curious of how Xavi handles Barcelona. Hopefully, Raúl would have an honest opportunity to guiding Madrid.
Bill Russell won 11 NBA Championships with the Boston Celtics but he was a very poor coach at Sacramento because he expected his players to be as good and as naturally gifted as he was. He would just tell his players to just get the rebound not realising perhaps that not everybody was like him who was athletic and had an innate positional sense to get those rebounds
Gattuso is actually a pretty good manager and even won Napoli a trophy. His teams, especially at Napoli were capable of really good football and were defensively compact too. You just can't write him off because he couldn't qualify for the Champions League.
what did they win with him at napoli?
@@ATS1031 Coppa Italia
And he is doing quite well in València considering the team he has
I think the job of Barça's coach is uniquely difficult, because you have to win, and win in a specific way (tiki-taka). Time has proved that by playing in this way, the Catalan club could win, and win beautifully.
Therefore, ex Barça players have great advantages when they become the first team's coach, because they have the Barça DNA, they know Cruyff's philosophy.
Vamos Xavi! Visca el Barca!
100%. This video is good but it fails with teams like Barcelona. Barcelona requires both as Players and Coaches the Barca DNA.
Isn’t Ronald Koeman an ex Barca player? What happened then? Why didn’t he have the ‘DNA’? Where was that so-called DNA pre-Rijkaard & Ronaldinho when Valencia were arguably bigger challengers for trophies to Madrid? This current Barcelona team doesn’t even play like the one Pep had! Ya’ll just like throwing around words, DNA this, DNA that!
@@BillyPhilipRwoth That's because of the President effect son. FC Barcelona democracy is divided into two factions. Cruyffistas and Nuñistas. When a Nuñista is a president he prefers other managers. Bartomeu, Rossel, Gaspart were all former president who were Nuñistas. They hate Cruyff. But Presidents like Laporta or Font who was a candidate are Cruyffistas. They love the Cruyff way. So they like to appoint The manager who is most Cruyffistic in style. Yes Xavi doesn't plays like Pep. Pep never played like Cruyff. But the essence of the play was always the same. And Koeman isn't a Cruyffist coach. He is a pragmatic manager. He has been a defensive manager all along in his career. Who plays on counter attack. Xavi on the other hand plays on the strengths of our system. Koeman tried to end tiki taka. Xavi wants to Revive that. That's the difference. We don't throw the DNA arround.
@@BillyPhilipRwoth Koeman doesnt have the Barca DNA, he wanted Wijnaldum.
@@sidharthdash1836
I can see why barca is in Europa
Sir Alex Ferguson wasn't a bad player. He was once a record signing in Scottish football.
No, not a bad player, but his honours as a player was winning the 2nd division twice. The video labels that as an 'ordinary career' and it doesn't sound off the mark to me.
It is never said or implied ONCE in this entire video that Sir Alex Ferguson was a bad player
I was surprised you do not focus on Cruyff bit more. As he is one of the rare examples of great success on both fields.
You forgot Brian Clough, A top Goalscorer untill he got injured & later in life Managed Nottingham Forrest to win the European Cup
Watching this 1 day after Lampard gets sacked puts a lot of things in perspective.
There's one more thing, I think was missed. Maybe it's less relevant in the big leagues, or they just don't allow the time to makeit work. When Gerrard was appointed Rangers manager, I wasn't ecstatic as I didn't like the idea of my club being a stepping stone for a manager, and I completely agreed with what was said here, in that great managers don't have a higher rate of success as a manager. But what I didn't consider was just how (imo) shallow a lot of players can be. They want a name, and most of them, at least when it comes to new managers, will trust and follow the 'name' more than a 'non-playing' coach. It became an attractive feature of the club for a lot of young players to come to work under Gerrard. That soft power can bring better players, which can affect their success.
John Heardman is an excellent manager for Canada who had no professional play himself. The man is a tactical and interpersonal genius
You forgot to mention about Johan Cruyff managerial career
So... 7 out of 44 were successful. That is a success ratio of 16%. Small sample, but I'd say that sounds like a very good hit ratio. How many non football players who become coaches are then successful? Even if we include former players who were not that good (like Klopp)? Do we get to 16%? I'd guess not.
Not to mention the players respect for their coach and how much time they have to build a connection with the players.
Look at Manchester United for example. Coach after coach after coach, barely any time to set up a team around their playstyle, bad chemistry between the coaches and certain players, and a lot of pressure to show results instantly.
I used to watch Kickoff as a magazine feature in DW then i lost the channel. Glad I can follow it here. Love the beginning too.
I mean, a bunch of them jump into a coaching position shortly after retiring from pro ball, so they lack the experience.
Being good at playing football doesn't qualify you as a manager. There are lots of people that are phenomenal at performing one job and play their parts to perfection but managing a team of individuals is a whole different beast.
One of the worst decisions former players can do is step into their first job mid-season. Henry at Monaco or Neville at Valencia are two recent examples of this. You'd at least want the preseason to prepare for such high pressure jobs.
You're right that Zidane took over Real Madrid mid-season in January 2016, which was his first job as a head coach. However, Zidane's case is an exception rather than the rule. His deep understanding of the club, the respect he commanded from the players, and his connection to the club's culture contributed to his success, leading Real Madrid to three consecutive Champions League titles.
For most former players, especially those without significant coaching experience, taking over a team mid-season can be challenging due to the lack of preparation time, the need to adapt quickly, and the pressure to deliver immediate results. Zidane's success doesn't necessarily mean it's a safe path for others, as we've seen with examples like Henry and Neville.
It seems that managers who did not play have it way harder. Sacchi was the only one mentioned.
What a brilliant video. So well put together, well produced and presented. I felt it was fair and covered all aspects. Well done. And thank you. Enjoyed it. As for the content, it's such a iffy thing. Nothing really can predict how it turns out. Gerrard at Aston Villa, Viera at Crystal Palace, Xavi at Barcelona. I hope they succeed. In the end, it's those who treat their players and staff well that's important.
whenever south american / centeral american country teams face Japan or Korea in soccer , Korean and Japanese players always get fouled horrendously ... Because in Asia , people have learned not to bother other people since since kindergarden .
in the game even saw a south american / centeral american player throw a ice box of Korean & Japanese team .
Pirlo only failed as a coach because he coached Juventus as his first team, most coaches start off small to get more experience then go on to coach top teams.
He did well to be fair as a rookie head coach only that Juve has very high expectations
@@franzreyes6185 yeah, it's unfair to Pirlo managerial career. He was only there to manage the youth team but promoted to first team because Juve didn't sign anyone as their manager.
8:34 Matthaus wasn't the only German player to win the Ballon D'or.
Beckenbauer and Rummenigge won it twice, while Miller and Sammer won it once each.
They didn't mention antonio conte who was a beast during his playing days for juve and now a great coach.
‘Luther Matthaus still the only German to win the Ballon D’or’, maybe if you don’t count Beckenbauer, Rummenigge and Sammer🤷🏻♂️
I think Germany and Italy have the balanced approach of either hiring ex players or club legends.
Germany's case would be Franz, Jupp Heynekes, Otto Renehagel or Gunter Nëtzer from previous era and new era guys like Flick, Kloop, Tuchel.
In Italy's it would be Lippi, Sacchi, Cesare Maldini, Capello, Trapatoni from the previous era or guys like Manchini, Conte, Materazzi's father or that bald coach of Napoli, Marco Rossi.
The coach of Napoli Is spalletti and he never played in serie a, Only lower italian leagues like italy's 3rd division. If you mean Cannavaro he Is a coach and quite successful but Only in the cinese league.he would have to show his quality in a european league like xavi Is doing now.
This why José Mourinho is the goat he don't have the player reputation but have the tactics the mind others aspects who make him one the greatest manager ever
Gerrard has done a tremendous job. Aston Villa were in a relegation fight when he came and now in a comfortable mid table position. Give him time, I don't like it he is in the thumbnail.
They also put Xavi in the thumbnail when he's doing well with Barca.
And now they gonna be back in a relegation battle.
...and dumped straight back into a relegation battle, with signs of marked improvement after Gerrard's sacking
Could have at least included Kenny Dalglish, the successful player-manager for LFC
" i dont believe in tactics " - Stoichkov . Legend
Why is xavi in the thumbnail? He picked up the team when it was on 9th place during the half of the season lmao
Many great players do not know why the succeeded as a player and assume that their pattern for success is THE pattern for success. Great players often did not see the whole game and so don't understand really what other players on the pitch did. It requires more humility to be a coach than a player, and I find that strikers in particular have difficulty making that adjustment.
" Sometime maybe good, sometime maybe shit " - Gattuso.😂
Pirlo be like: Now make a pefect 75 meter pass to the striker.
😂
Great coaches in previous generations like Matt Busby, Helenio Herrera, Bill Shankly, Bob Paisley, Udo Lattek, Otto Rehhagel, Giovanni Trapattoni, Jupp Heynckes, Fabio Capello, Marcello Lippi, Ottmar Hitzfeld and Alex Ferguson are not super stars but nevertheless good players.
Matt Busby was definitely a star player, he captained Man City and Liverpool unfortunately his career was cut short by WW2. theres a reason why he gained instant respect when he started his managerial career at united at age 36.
@@harukrentz435 Yes he was a old fashioned star player and skipper for Man City and Liverpool but not a modern super star who makes tens of millions a year.
Let's face it most managers fail in football period. The fact an ex player was great or not doesn't really matter. There's also a measure of luck about if you're successful or not. I mean obviously Zidane did a very good job in both stints at Real Madrid, but the fact that was his first job and it was that group of players. Or the fact Pep gelot that Barcelona team to begin with, then went to that Bayern team and even the city he got to take over. If Xavi took over a Barcelona team with himself in his prime, Iniesta and Messi in it, it would probably be a different story. If Gerrard got to take over the Liverpool team Klopp built he'd have probably done really well, if not great. But if Zidane started his career managing Everton or Villa, he'd have failed too. For sure. Then he would never have got a shot at managing Real Madrid. It's what team, what players, and at what time that can make or break a managers career. The problem is for ex top players, they often get thrown in at the deep end and it's sink or swim. Few of them really cut their managerial teeth and build up. Even Gerrard with going to rangers, firstly wasn't there long enough, didn't achieve enough there before moving on. But I think in modern day football, to go from the Scottish League to the Premier League is too big of a jump. He should have stayed at rangers, then went to a championship team, built them up, got them playing how he wants, built a trust and loyalty with that squad. Then attack the premier league together. Or simply do what Zidane did, stay affiliated with his former club, in this case Liverpool. Manage the youth team a bit longer, really try to recruit the best young players that him can from around the country. Learn from Klopp. Then be a sporting director, to ensure you get the say on who's being signed and why etc. Then be the assistant manager of Klopp. Learning everything him could. Then be ready to replace him. Hopefully at just the right moment with a great team capable of winning UCL's. But he didn't, and now I think he'll have to wait a long time, if ever, to manage Liverpool. And like many before him, he'll struggle to get the stigma of being a bad manager off him now.
Lampard is a great example of a great player who failed as a manager. People will realise when he takes the most expensive Everton squad ever assembled into the second tier for the first time in over 60 years.
Ouch! Not looking good for Frank...
Get ur fact rite josh Everton never been relegated so where you getting 60 years ? Kids talking out his arse
@@barrywalsh3275 relegated in 1951, returned in 1954. Read a book.
Think that’s harsh tbh. Everton are just poor
@@micah0190 the players they have are more than good enough to stay up, any decent coach could do that.
Xavi has been great!!
Too early to tell....next 2 seasons will be different when other clubs have recovered financially from Covid
@@sumomaster5585 your acting like Barca didn’t suffer from Covid?
@@sumomaster5585 barca suffered the most from covid
@@DoomsdaySlayer I know that, but competition waits for no 1. Atletico might bounce back, Sevilla is doing good as well. RM will have Mbape and maybe Haland and few more signings whilst Barca can't. Talented young players like Fati and Pedri can only take you so far....ideally you want your best players in their prime (24-28) but Barca players are just too young
@@sumomaster5585 Barca suffered the most from losing Messi and stupid President with stupid transfer decisions which almost bankrupt them yet despite all that, Xavi manage to cope and make Barca fearsome again.
Why is Xavi and Gerrard in the thumbnail? They've been doing a great job and it's still so early for them, should be someone like Koeman or Lampard imo
Pirlo was given the Juventus job at the worst possible moment, which only made life worse for him. He was set up to fail. Should have continued his work with Juve's Primavera team and gathered experience.
Next: why strikers don't make good team captains.
Now that you mentioned dortmund it’s interesting that you missed the other ballon d’or winner aside matthäus and also won champions league as a player and bundesliga as a coach. Mathias sammer.
Yes, he often gets forgotten.
@@rejectionisprotection4448 i think it has to do with how good the german team back then and also the attacking player bias back then probably didn’t help. And he retired too early sadly due to his injury.
I think also the players position and role has some aspect to it. Like a flashy attacking player vs a defender or holding midfielder who bled for the team.
Because they often start coaching a big team, usually the one where they played their best years as a player. If they had start from the bottom, managing a youth team even, and then moving up from there, they'd probably had time to develop their skills and find their own way and philosophy, develop their own ideas.
But most don't want to put in that much time and effort in. Probably their ego take a huge part on it too.
The truth is Zagallo is a very good coach, because we tend to forget that he is also a good player
This belief of Zidane not being tactically good is absolutely ridiculous. I remember the game against Citi in the Bernabeu. Madrid tactically held Guardiola's Citi but only for individual errors to cost them in both legs.
he was outplayed by Valverde at Bernabeu and lost 0-3 lol.
@@juanestebankruhsanmguel1960 was outplaying him in all camp nou matches and cup finals.
@@juanestebankruhsanmguel1960 if you belief in that, even pep was outplayed by ole excluding his last season.
As we say in America 🇺🇸
Coaches don’t play
Awesome video, y’all. Keep up the excellent work!
A very educative documentary. Well done.👍👍👍
Arrigo Sacchi influence many players in 90's and early 2000.. He is the best manager all of time.. He also made Johan Cruyff been sacked after being beaten by AC Milan in 1990
The achievements of some current managers who were world class players are so much that the title of the video is a fasad.
Don't use Pirlo picture in this video , he was a great player and he is a great coach ! He had two trophies in his first ever manager role just in six months and without pre-season !
He did it with dead midfield ( juventus's worst ever squad)
If you don't watch matches then don't use someone's picture or name !
Playing and coaching are two different jobs: no one will let you play for Bayern, Real or Arsenal without a long process of learning, so why would they let anyone manage a big team without experience?
The answer is quite simple. They only became coaches because of their names, and not their ability. They will get a good job with little to no effort, while someone who was not a known player will have to work 100 times harder to get a chance. I would like to see Guardiola managing a club in 2nd division or a club that has very little transfer funds and is fighting against relegation.
The problem with great players is that most expect their team to perform at some expectation that exceeds them. The time they played is what they envision as what the team should strive to be. However, most players on their roster or in the current world are not of that caliber. I'm not to say that those are players are worse or better, but a good manager should be able to look at the roster and have a concrete tactic. Also, Roy Keane said it excellently when he said the players themselves have become soft. You need a manager who is willing to take the blame himself rather than point at players for the loss. We see that in Klopp, Pep, Conte, Tuchel, Pochettino, Nagelsmann, Flick.
Rooney does it quite well with the circumstances around the club. 🤔
I believe that truly great players have never needed to understand the game and how to find a role for themselves because they were naturally talented, didn't need to question themselves and always had a natural place in the set up. Average players usually have to know themselves and work to optimise their strengths and limit their weaknesses and pay close attention to others as they may have to compete with them and find a place - sometimes across a myriad of circumstances and teams. Great players have teams built round them, average players have to understand how to fit in. Consequently, with few exceptions (definitely Cruiyff, perhaps Zidane) great players haven't given the overall game, and its mixed currency of talents, as much thought during their career as average players do. They might then struggle to relate to average players or have unrealistic expectation of them. I think Cruiyff was an interesting exception as e came from a Dutch era of constant challenging and influencing by players and so despite his unique talent he was constantly thinking of the whole team and how what he did related to others in the team. I think that grounding as a player from that era of 'total football' made him a successful manager
It's very premature to judge Xavi and appears more like a click bait to put him in the thumbnail.
He is at 2.10 points per games so far. He also didn't have a full season at Barca yet.
After this season we can perhaps have a fair discussion.
As a Juventus supporter, I can say Pirlo didn't fail. Two cups, UCL qualification with a worse team than Allegri has now! In his first ever season as a coach!!! I'd swap Allegri back out for him in a heartbeat.
Worse?? They were Champions.
I started looking at this in American football and all is still correct. Doesn’t matter the sport. Would also like to add someone said a major factor is these all times greats didn’t have to keep improving and learning while the other half did just to stay employed.
I wonder if also, Beckenbauer and Deschamps both being captains also helped them when they transitioned to managing?
Dunno really..
Maybe, maybe not..
Good point, rorrt. The responsibility for the team on the pitch might be a bit of a foretaste, right?
Cr7 as coach would be terrifying
Very insightful!
Why is Gerrard in the thumbnail? He's only been coaching fir 3 or 4 seasons and has a league title n some under his cabinet alrdy. Poor choose should've chose somebody like Thierry Henry or Gary Neville
Some players actually do take their coaching licences while still playing. But they don't solely focus on the coaching part while they are playing.
Imagine Messi coaching players. it would be frustrating cause there Is no player who can do what he does and u cant learn it or teach it. The players would also be frustrated cause they know the aren't at that level and would feel judged by a standard thats to high. it just wouldn't work he has to much talent, what he does is about natural born talent mixed with very high in-game IQ he would struggle to understand why the players can't do what he would do.we've already seen it sometimes with Argentina and Barca when the players aren't up to par with his standards,he checks out of the game becomes frustrated because he doesn't understand why things that come so easy & naturally to him are so difficult for others.
Though I'm not done with the video, I'd assume it's to do with them trying replicate methods that previously worked for them... In the midst of a game that's constantly changing and evolving.
Coaches who were relatively less successful players are more open to new methods and approaches.
I think "non legendary" players are often more successful coaching is because they connect with all the players more closely. They know how to communicate and connect with their top goal scorers all the down to the last guy on the bench because they may sat on the bench in their careers as well.
Great documentary
Whats this music used?
I'm 17 , I aspire to become a young coach one day too like Nagalsmann or Matthias Jaissle
Watching the recent Barca games really makes we wonder Xavi’s future career as Barca’s coach
@Bách Phạm I would say both because the new Barca is not tested under the Champions League level this season, maybe we’ll see on UEFA Super Cup
@@ziyantang6779 yea but outclassing Madrid like that in their own backyard should say enough about what’s about to come g
why you left Arteta out...He is a new brand of Managers who had a great top midfiled player out of top 4 clubs at Everton then played at Arsenal...now he is showing a glimpse of Top notched coaching talent for Arsenal.
an excellent man manager as well
8:38 are you kidding me?!!!! Beckenbauer, Gerd Muler and many other Germans have won Ballon d'Or
Yes, sorry, our bad! That was a mix-up with the FIFA Weltfußballer.
If the past trajectory is a trusted predictor for the future, then Xavi would be a great coach. Gerard doesn't show the same promise that Xavi has shown us so far.
Xavi used to play, eat and breathe FC Barcelona way, and now he is coaching FC Barcelona (which is still one of big teams in Europe). Gerrard used to play for Liverpool FC but now he is coaching a team below Liverpool's level.
puskas was a great manager, taking a greek club all the way to ucl final in Wembley in 1971. xavi won the asian world cup with al sadd a couple of times, zidane we dont need to talk about i feel we all know what he did. lampard, unpopular opinion, is actually a good manager. he got chelsea to 4th place in his first season consistently staying in the top 3 and also when he managed derby country he wasnt that bad. johan cruyff, introduced the tiki taka to the world of football, won multiple awards with barcelona, made the best academy in the world which we all know as la masia. everyone says messi changed barcas history but without cruyff's investments in the academy messi would not be as we know him. ancelloti, big carla, has won it all with milan and real madrid and with other clubs. one of the most underrated ones, Mauricio Pochettino, got spurs to the ucl final and didnt really win serious trophies which is a big shame because he is a great manager. jupp heynckes, if you dont know him do you remember the uvl inal between bayern and dortmund, where robben scored in fergie time to win it? hewas the manager. he won the uclwith madrid and bayern, won the bundesliga with bayern and schalke and won the dfb pokal. and of course pep guardiola. need to say anything else? nope
poch is a great manager? nah bro ur tripping with that one
It's odd how I can tell that it's a heavy German accent, even though the th is fine.. It's superhard to put your finger on it .. "Owners" pronounced as "Ow'nuss" instead of "ownizz" or "ownerrzz".. and then the word "as" pronounced as "ess" instead of "aezzz".. We GErmans can't pronounce the "a" as in "stand" or in "tactical". We say "Tecktikkl" when it has to be "taecktikl".. and then pronouncing the "s" at the end of words as "s" and not as "z".. We also don't do the glottal stop, as in "Sto***p" or "Tar***t" or "W***hich". But still good English I guess, if clearly one of us :D
Xavi?
Seriously?
does position also play a role, cm/dm players seems to be a better managers than strikers, look at zidane, guardiola and now xavi, also there is gerard even lampard did well first season in chelsea despite squad limits, xabi alonso is building his career,
compare that to attackers like maradona or roony
so maybe one day we could see modric or kdb as top managers
Not taking credit away, but Zagallo, Beckenbauer and Deschamps also had the team to both win it as a player and a coach.
Great managers are administrators in modern football. It is not about a brilliant strategy but about building a team from scouts, financial people, analysts etc. Great players struggle with this because they had spent their whole careers focuses on their skill and had teams designed around them.
Arteta has had serious work done transforming the gunners.
I think it's totally normal that few elite players succeed to become elite coaches. Being "elíte" is VERY difficult in every context and it takes time and luck for the "astral conjunctions" to evolve in a perfect way.
There are also former players and elite players that coach at "low" or "mid" level, as far as there are "low" and "mid" level players as Ferguson and MANY MANY others we DON'T know
Lionel scaloni is the latest addition to mediocre player but great coach. Scaloni basically hand picked each and every one in the Argentina squad.
Personally i don't have a gripe with old players being coaches if they deserve it. Use my club for example lfc. Our current owners won't sign a ex player just because he is a ex player. The most tipped however to replace klopp is gerrard although he himself wants to earn that honour hence going to rangers and now villa and hopefully with time he does earn it. Like sir kenny for example. As manager he led liverpool to 3 league titles, 2 fa cups, 1 league cup and 4 charity shields. After being educated by the legendary bootroom learing from some of the greatest managers in british history in bob paisley and joe fagan. Also then winning the league with blackburn rovers in 95 and a scottish league cup with celtic.
Xavi is amazing at Barca. Zidane is also op coach. And World class player too. And beckenbuear, deschamps ,zagallo is the only 3 who win World Cup as a player and coach.❤️🔥
Ex: Guardiola
But also some World class players are awful managers. Sad but truth.💔🥺
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