My late father in law swore by oil based paints (he liked Manders) and as a really good (and conscientious) builder he always used them on his jobs and at home. He would regularly redecorate his rooms and he would do a very good job but within weeks or days, even, his white glossed paintwork would yellow. So water based paints would have been right for him. But it is without doubt a case of 1 step forward and two steps back with modern paints. You have to choose the right paint carefully so it matches the surface you are going to paint otherwise, years later even, you can just scrape it off with your fingernail; it simply refuses to adhere to what you are painting and never hardens. (My father in law also preferred to put emulsion on walls using a 6" brush. I had to hide the rollers whenever he came round while I was decorating.)
Good thinking about the wet room issue. The ingress of water is like a leaking bath tap. The waterproof tanking is doing its job and water is dribbling down from a leaky joint and making its way out through the grouting. Thank goodness the re-grouting job did not disturb the tanking behind and was not so water tight as to cause water to exit elsewhere. Roger, you are right on the money here regarding chrome fittings and PTFE tape. If the access is poor as may be the case here then a jointing compound paste like Boss White applied to the inside threads of the compression fitting will help make a water tight seal.
Great advice. Loved the tip about water based paints after similarly having our hall and landings painted professionally, and finding the paint work yellowing. Now we have changed over to acrylic paints, all our wood work is as white as it as when first painted. Thanks Roger for all the great tips and and advice, plus your channel videos which have helped us enormously👍🏻. Skill Builders is my favourite channel😀 and is my ‘go to’ for all our DIY.
Great idea this , i remember when you where on LBC on sat mornings and i picked up some good tips from you and hopefully that will continue here..........thanks
Thanks Yensabi I am very happy to hear from somebody who listened to LBC. It all seems a long time ago now and I have no idea what happened to Therese Birch. She was a talented broadcaster and held that show together. Roger
What a great video and love the idea. I now know why I have yellowing behind the dressing gowns on our bedroom door and all of our hall too; water based paint for me in future.
Thank you for your thoughts on oil paint. Funny, I never thought of myself as a dinosaur, but I usually advise customers to use oil paint. Mainly because of durability and finish. I can get a mirror like gloss finish with oil that you just can't get with acrylic. But I understand about the unfortunate yellowing effect, so I guess I'll practice different methods of using water based... 👍(But I might keep using oil for window sills lol)
Roger, I don't normally subscribe but I am hitting the button on your new video segment. Hoping to pick up some tips and hopefully share a few of my own as I have been involved in remedial repairs for approx 9 years now. Enjoying the content so far, thank you. Cheers
Great minds Roger, that hose connection was the first thing I was thinking with that wet room. Also for threaded fittings I use the loctite thread with some jet blue type sealant. Like the old hemp and boss white days never any leaks. Also I'm a water based convert no turning back for me! Great video.
Hi Zed I also always use that Loctite now. It is great on outside taps because you can set them in the upright position on the backplate. I never bother with the paste on Loctite. I was told it was OK without but I know what you mean about the boss white and hemp approach. It was magic. If you had a weep from a joint you just has to leave it for 24 hours and it would take up on its own. PTFE never gets better.
yeah I'm a painter and oil based paint for interiors has had it's day ok with colours but for white no the E.U. force paint companies to reduce solvent levels in 2010 legislation took it from lasting years to months. hybrids paints have really replaced them now they will still yellow but would take years and the finish is comparable. for exteriors oil based paint every time they will stay white with the sun light especially with gloss because if you use a water base gloss outside the gloss tends to lose it's sheen faster than oil and most oil trim paints can last longer outside especially near the cost with than salt vapour in the air that wouldn't do water based any good.
Had a similar problem. Better solution which I did was remove the Aga from the central heating circuit and hot water supply. Just have it doing the cooking. Hot water and central heating is done far more efficiently by modern boilers.
Re the hot water cylinder. Whilst a full time fireman I attended a fatal house explosion, it was assumed caused by gas, until it was determined there was no gas supply. The cause was a defective hot water immersion heater and an ice plug in the cylinder expansion pipe. I litre of boiling water in a sealed container when immediately released to atmosphere will produce 1,700 litres of steam, so when the 200 litre (or so) litre cylinder exploded due to over pressure, it instantly produced 340,000 litres of steam, this was enough power to completely flatten the house killing the occupants. Respect ALL pressurised vessels! (Edit: For the avoidance of confusion, this is NOT a reference to the above incident)
Hi Vince There is a misconception there. Unvented hot water cylinders have a number of safety devices and there are no recorded failures or accidents with these cylinders. The one you are referring to was a vented cylinder which came under pressure when the vent pipe froze and the thermostat failed. Vented cylinders which require no special licence to fit are way more dangerous than unvented cylinders. An unvented cylinder has an immersion heater with a fail safe thermal cutout. Everything is done to prevent the cylinder reaching boiling point.
@@SkillBuilder No misconception on my part, surely the one in your film was also a vented cylinder? That's what prompted my comment, after hearing Roger condemning the gate valve on the vent pipe? The incident I attended was an old vented cylinder, the immersion heater was equally old WITH a defective thermostat and WITHOUT any secondary safety overheat feature, it simply boiled the water until the cylinder exploded due to over pressure. The house was a detached cottage around the 1800's devoid of any insulation, hence the ice plug in the vent expansion pipe. The house was literally flattened, and spread over a very wide area.
I would say check the seal on the shower head where it connects in the wall, potential water going behind the tiles down to the tanking and coming out at the bottom
Hey Roger, you say under pots on window sills you get the Yellowing because of oil-based paints. What causes it with UPVC window sills and how can you stop it?
Search for Odd Tinkering - he restores stuff and some consoles that have yellowed UV light in a solution does the trick. His other channel Odd Experiments has the recipe.
Is there any really good brand of water based paint? I realize that question could open you up to horrible comments about product favoritism but here's hoping you can answer it.
Bedec All Multi Surface is good for metal, plastic, tiles or timber but I don't like it on exterior woodwork because it supports mould. For exterior Sadolin Super Gloss or Sadolin Satin opaque is good and is said to last 10 years but I have seen it go longer and only need a light rub down and recoat. Johnstones, Leyland and a whole host of others are also good trade paints. For interior woodwork I am using Dulux Diamond Eggshell cheapest from Selco . It is a bit more money but it resists knocks and is washable. It also goes on well and looks classy. I never use gloss on interior woodwork. It shows up every imperfection in the timber and looks cheap. The one I avoid like the plague is Farrow and Ball, it is hyped. That is mainly fillers such as chalk and it is almost impossible to touch up. If you want that kind of earthy look Little Green is a better bet. Don't forget that you can get any colour in any paint just because it is on one chart doesn't mean you can't replicate it in another make.
For interior work I like dulux diamond and if a stain sealer / primer is needed then Zinsser Bullseye 123 plus which is great for covering over fillers / water stains etc. For bathrooms ceiling I like Zinsser perma white (never had mould with it)
Never liked oil based paint because of the fumes and the fact that it yellows far too quickly. Plus you have to be exceptionally careful when using indoors as spills on carpets, furniture and even clothes can be a nightmare to remove!
Water based is less sympathetic with brush marks but like Roger says you have to work it and leave it. I've got used to working with it. I prefer to use it not just for the yellowing aspect but the easy clean up, quicker second coats and far less dodgy fumes. BTW the lady in this has a family resemblance to Roger, wonder if she's related.
Thanks for your feedback on water-based. I find that Dulux Diamond Eggshell igoes on without brush marks but where possible I use the mini roller . That lady/girl is my daughter.
All the old school decorators need to learn how to prep woodwork properly again. Water based paints for woodwork go on fine and adhere brilliantly if you actually bother sanding anything.
Did we not used to fit something called a cytrol valve for temperature control on the cylinder, obviously to alleviate the problem a rad in the bathroom ,or towel rail as well,I have a feeling we used these years ago when fitting the old parkray coal back boilers ,I think i have the name right,cytrol.
@@SkillBuilder Once again thanks for al your , video,s rodger ,I wonder where you get all the time to run a business on the tools and do all these questions and answers progs but I am glad you do cheers again.
Do. You think rodger the haters that comment on your work are just green with envy because they are shit at what they do but they you anyway lovely work fella
My davidsons home uses oil based paint. In the downstairs bathroom, all the gloss has turned yellow because its getting no daylight. Also, if I put things on the window sill I have to move them because they get starved of daylight :D
it also depends on what oil's you use some hybrids even yellow faster or just as much as some oil's. the three what I've used crown trade next gen gloss dulux trade satinwood little greene tom's eggshell stay white for years.
Roger & Skill Builder team. Is it at possible to paint an acrylic shower tray & walls, they are part of a 2 part shower cubicle, it's around 20 years old! Is there a product out there I can use to tart it up? Thank You
Oil based paint is good in the right circumstances. Ours hasn't gone yellow, you have to add more dryers to it and thin it out these days. There's insufficient solvent in it.
@@jackwardley3626 yes. but if you're not looking for a brilliant gloss white... it probably explains the 60s and 70s love for 'cream; colours. I prefer them because I am old
Bartop CNC We need the questions and, so far, the views aren't coming it so neither are the questions. We want to do them but we need to kick start it.
I had my hall painted, I used the same painter who last time used a waterbased paint. So I was really Fing mad when I saw he had done it this time with oil! Grrrrrrrr
I would imagine that years of breathing in solvents in enclosed spaces is not good for you. When I have been to the painting and decorating show it struck me just how many have a certain look: thin with watery eyes.
Sorry if you've heard it all before but I just saw a photo of Neil Flynne, he could be your long lost twin brother 😂😂😂, bet you wouldn't mind his money.
Waterbased paints do stay white. But they are crap for any kind of wear. Paint it on and when dry use a fingernail to see how easy it is to scratch off. So it's a no no for me. Hate the stuff
I don't know what water based paints you have tried but if you look at Dulux Diamond Eggshell it takes a of knocks and is flexible enough to stay on unlike brittle oil based paints. I know that decorators rely on paint going yellow for repeat business but on interiors a water based paint looks good after ten years.
@@SkillBuilder I've been a painter for 30yrs now. I once had to repaint a hallway twice due to dulux water based paint pelling off at the slightest touch. It cost me money having to repaint it all with an oil based paint so I won't use it again. It's a shame as I agree that water based paints do stay white. Just a pity they don't bond well to the wood you paint. It's better on new unpainted wood. I do use it on windows outside. But not on anything inside that could get knocked or scratched. Great videos by the way.
@@maxv77 that happens when you don't sand the old finish properly. Sand the old woody to death then re prime with a descent primer, undercoat, 2 top coats. Looks great, doesn't scrape off or yellow.
Painters don’t like water based paint because it covers bugger all and the finish is shit. It’s also softer. Oil based paint is also shite now. Europe ruined everything. When you’re a skilled, trained decorator (a dying breed) doing it for 20 years you’ll know what I mean 😉. Good channel btw.
True but i bet they said the same when they couldn't buy asbestos any more, since you're breathing it in every day you might appreciate the rules from a personal point of view even if professionally it's a pain.
Awesome Roger, your RUclips is valuable and informative and brilliant to see your daughter is as knowledgeable as you.
My late father in law swore by oil based paints (he liked Manders) and as a really good (and conscientious) builder he always used them on his jobs and at home. He would regularly redecorate his rooms and he would do a very good job but within weeks or days, even, his white glossed paintwork would yellow. So water based paints would have been right for him. But it is without doubt a case of 1 step forward and two steps back with modern paints. You have to choose the right paint carefully so it matches the surface you are going to paint otherwise, years later even, you can just scrape it off with your fingernail; it simply refuses to adhere to what you are painting and never hardens. (My father in law also preferred to put emulsion on walls using a 6" brush. I had to hide the rollers whenever he came round while I was decorating.)
Good thinking about the wet room issue. The ingress of water is like a leaking bath tap. The waterproof tanking is doing its job and water is dribbling down from a leaky joint and making its way out through the grouting. Thank goodness the re-grouting job did not disturb the tanking behind and was not so water tight as to cause water to exit elsewhere. Roger, you are right on the money here regarding chrome fittings and PTFE tape. If the access is poor as may be the case here then a jointing compound paste like Boss White applied to the inside threads of the compression fitting will help make a water tight seal.
Great advice. Loved the tip about water based paints after similarly having our hall and landings painted professionally, and finding the paint work yellowing. Now we have changed over to acrylic paints, all our wood work is as white as it as when first painted. Thanks Roger for all the great tips and and advice, plus your channel videos which have helped us enormously👍🏻. Skill Builders is my favourite channel😀 and is my ‘go to’ for all our DIY.
Great idea this , i remember when you where on LBC on sat mornings and i picked up some good tips from you and hopefully that will continue here..........thanks
Thanks Yensabi I am very happy to hear from somebody who listened to LBC. It all seems a long time ago now and I have no idea what happened to Therese Birch. She was a talented broadcaster and held that show together.
Roger
What a great video and love the idea. I now know why I have yellowing behind the dressing gowns on our bedroom door and all of our hall too; water based paint for me in future.
Used to love and learnt a lot from the fix it phone in on LBC with Steve Allen, how times have changed.
Very good advice. Highly recommend this guy.
Thank you for your thoughts on oil paint. Funny, I never thought of myself as a dinosaur, but I usually advise customers to use oil paint. Mainly because of durability and finish. I can get a mirror like gloss finish with oil that you just can't get with acrylic. But I understand about the unfortunate yellowing effect, so I guess I'll practice different methods of using water based... 👍(But I might keep using oil for window sills lol)
Johnstone’s aqua Guard satin water based brilliant finish 👍🏾
Roger, I don't normally subscribe but I am hitting the button on your new video segment. Hoping to pick up some tips and hopefully share a few of my own as I have been involved in remedial repairs for approx 9 years now. Enjoying the content so far, thank you. Cheers
Great minds Roger, that hose connection was the first thing I was thinking with that wet room. Also for threaded fittings I use the loctite thread with some jet blue type sealant. Like the old hemp and boss white days never any leaks. Also I'm a water based convert no turning back for me! Great video.
Hi Zed
I also always use that Loctite now. It is great on outside taps because you can set them in the upright position on the backplate. I never bother with the paste on Loctite. I was told it was OK without but I know what you mean about the boss white and hemp approach. It was magic. If you had a weep from a joint you just has to leave it for 24 hours and it would take up on its own. PTFE never gets better.
This is a great idea!! I’ll defo be watching this series!
Every day is a learning day.
yeah I'm a painter and oil based paint for interiors has had it's day ok with colours but for white no the E.U. force paint companies to reduce solvent levels in 2010 legislation took it from lasting years to months. hybrids paints have really replaced them now they will still yellow but would take years and the finish is comparable. for exteriors oil based paint every time they will stay white with the sun light especially with gloss because if you use a water base gloss outside the gloss tends to lose it's sheen faster than oil and most oil trim paints can last longer outside especially near the cost with than salt vapour in the air that wouldn't do water based any good.
Roger is looking great for 70!
The gentlman with the Hot water coming out of the tap... you could fit a mixer Tap ! To regulates the hot and cold
Keep up the good work Roger J C
Had a similar problem. Better solution which I did was remove the Aga from the central heating circuit and hot water supply. Just have it doing the cooking. Hot water and central heating is done far more efficiently by modern boilers.
thank you very handy to know about the paint have same problem
What a great idea this is!
In my shower on the same fitting I used a liquid PTFE. You need to let it go off for a day but it solves that issue.
That one day before you test the shower might be the reason why it doesn't get used more but it is a great idea.
Hi I wondered if you could tell me what to use on a wet floor room it's a horrible grey in a council bungalow thankyou.
Re the hot water cylinder.
Whilst a full time fireman I attended a fatal house explosion, it was assumed caused by gas, until it was determined there was no gas supply.
The cause was a defective hot water immersion heater and an ice plug in the cylinder expansion pipe.
I litre of boiling water in a sealed container when immediately released to atmosphere will produce 1,700 litres of steam, so when the 200 litre (or so) litre cylinder exploded due to over pressure, it instantly produced 340,000 litres of steam, this was enough power to completely flatten the house killing the occupants.
Respect ALL pressurised vessels! (Edit: For the avoidance of confusion, this is NOT a reference to the above incident)
Hi Vince
There is a misconception there. Unvented hot water cylinders have a number of safety devices and there are no recorded failures or accidents with these cylinders. The one you are referring to was a vented cylinder which came under pressure when the vent pipe froze and the thermostat failed. Vented cylinders which require no special licence to fit are way more dangerous than unvented cylinders.
An unvented cylinder has an immersion heater with a fail safe thermal cutout. Everything is done to prevent the cylinder reaching boiling point.
@@SkillBuilder No misconception on my part, surely the one in your film was also a vented cylinder?
That's what prompted my comment, after hearing Roger condemning the gate valve on the vent pipe?
The incident I attended was an old vented cylinder, the immersion heater was equally old WITH a defective thermostat and WITHOUT any secondary safety overheat feature, it simply boiled the water until the cylinder exploded due to over pressure.
The house was a detached cottage around the 1800's devoid of any insulation, hence the ice plug in the vent expansion pipe.
The house was literally flattened, and spread over a very wide area.
Who’s the eye candy?! Oh is that roger from SB 🤣
I would say check the seal on the shower head where it connects in the wall, potential water going behind the tiles down to the tanking and coming out at the bottom
Realised I commented this before hearing Rogers explanation, hi five Roger 😁
Hi Scott
It happens, I do it and most of the time the comment is the same as the one I left 5 years ago. Shows how we are in our respective ruts.
Hey Roger, you say under pots on window sills you get the Yellowing because of oil-based paints. What causes it with UPVC window sills and how can you stop it?
Search for Odd Tinkering - he restores stuff and some consoles that have yellowed UV light in a solution does the trick. His other channel Odd Experiments has the recipe.
Is there any really good brand of water based paint? I realize that question could open you up to horrible comments about product favoritism but here's hoping you can answer it.
Bedec All Multi Surface is good for metal, plastic, tiles or timber but I don't like it on exterior woodwork because it supports mould. For exterior Sadolin Super Gloss or Sadolin Satin opaque is good and is said to last 10 years but I have seen it go longer and only need a light rub down and recoat. Johnstones, Leyland and a whole host of others are also good trade paints. For interior woodwork I am using Dulux Diamond Eggshell cheapest from Selco . It is a bit more money but it resists knocks and is washable. It also goes on well and looks classy. I never use gloss on interior woodwork. It shows up every imperfection in the timber and looks cheap. The one I avoid like the plague is Farrow and Ball, it is hyped. That is mainly fillers such as chalk and it is almost impossible to touch up. If you want that kind of earthy look Little Green is a better bet. Don't forget that you can get any colour in any paint just because it is on one chart doesn't mean you can't replicate it in another make.
For interior work I like dulux diamond and if a stain sealer / primer is needed then Zinsser Bullseye 123 plus which is great for covering over fillers / water stains etc.
For bathrooms ceiling I like Zinsser perma white (never had mould with it)
Great +borodinskyful, thank you.
I use Bullseye and I will give the Perma White a try on my next shower room install
Benjamin Moore is the best paint which is sold here in the UK
Never liked oil based paint because of the fumes and the fact that it yellows far too quickly. Plus you have to be exceptionally careful when using indoors as spills on carpets, furniture and even clothes can be a nightmare to remove!
Water based is less sympathetic with brush marks but like Roger says you have to work it and leave it. I've got used to working with it. I prefer to use it not just for the yellowing aspect but the easy clean up, quicker second coats and far less dodgy fumes.
BTW the lady in this has a family resemblance to Roger, wonder if she's related.
Thanks for your feedback on water-based. I find that Dulux Diamond Eggshell igoes on without brush marks but where possible I use the mini roller . That lady/girl is my daughter.
Can you paint wet room flooring
All the old school decorators need to learn how to prep woodwork properly again. Water based paints for woodwork go on fine and adhere brilliantly if you actually bother sanding anything.
Did we not used to fit something called a cytrol valve for temperature control on the cylinder, obviously to alleviate the problem a rad in the bathroom ,or towel rail as well,I have a feeling we used these years ago when fitting the old parkray coal back boilers ,I think i have the name right,cytrol.
Yes I remember the Cytrol valve. It was common on garvity primaries but they clogged up
@@SkillBuilder Once again thanks for al your , video,s rodger ,I wonder where you get all the time to run a business on the tools and do all these questions and answers progs but I am glad you do cheers again.
Do. You think rodger the haters that comment on your work are just green with envy because they are shit at what they do but they you anyway lovely work fella
I always use water base paint and I've been decorating for many years, my customer are happy with the finish and it has lower odours.
Good stuff!!!
My davidsons home uses oil based paint. In the downstairs bathroom, all the gloss has turned yellow because its getting no daylight. Also, if I put things on the window sill I have to move them because they get starved of daylight :D
it also depends on what oil's you use some hybrids even yellow faster or just as much as some oil's. the three what I've used crown trade next gen gloss dulux trade satinwood little greene tom's eggshell stay white for years.
Water-based paints are brilliant... Especially the white!!
Roger & Skill Builder team. Is it at possible to paint an acrylic shower tray & walls, they are part of a 2 part shower cubicle, it's around 20 years old! Is there a product out there I can use to tart it up? Thank You
similarly does anyone have experience of painting UVPC window frames gray?
Can you paint a wet room floor
Oil based paint is good in the right circumstances. Ours hasn't gone yellow, you have to add more dryers to it and thin it out these days. There's insufficient solvent in it.
wouldnt adding more dryers to it make it yellow faster.
@@jackwardley3626 yes. but if you're not looking for a brilliant gloss white... it probably explains the 60s and 70s love for 'cream; colours. I prefer them because I am old
Hi I want tio paint my wet room flooring it's the green type that is in hospital wet room
I would
any more of these q and a`S
Bartop CNC
We need the questions and, so far, the views aren't coming it so neither are the questions. We want to do them but we need to kick start it.
Not a problem now,, rule of 6, no guest's to scold
I had my hall painted, I used the same painter who last time used a waterbased paint. So I was really Fing mad when I saw he had done it this time with oil! Grrrrrrrr
Oh No! Another professional decorator that loves the solvent. I think they are addicted to it.
@@SkillBuilderI've heard about glue sniffing, but paint sniffing?
I suppose it's possible.
I would imagine that years of breathing in solvents in enclosed spaces is not good for you. When I have been to the painting and decorating show it struck me just how many have a certain look: thin with watery eyes.
Sorry if you've heard it all before but I just saw a photo of Neil Flynne, he could be your long lost twin brother 😂😂😂, bet you wouldn't mind his money.
Never heard of Neil Flynn so I looked him up. He is one ugly bastard.
@@SkillBuilder he's a rich ugly bastard 😂😂😂😂.
Bet he's a crap plumber tho 👍👍
Waterbased paints do stay white. But they are crap for any kind of wear. Paint it on and when dry use a fingernail to see how easy it is to scratch off. So it's a no no for me. Hate the stuff
I don't know what water based paints you have tried but if you look at Dulux Diamond Eggshell it takes a of knocks and is flexible enough to stay on unlike brittle oil based paints. I know that decorators rely on paint going yellow for repeat business but on interiors a water based paint looks good after ten years.
@@SkillBuilder I've been a painter for 30yrs now. I once had to repaint a hallway twice due to dulux water based paint pelling off at the slightest touch. It cost me money having to repaint it all with an oil based paint so I won't use it again. It's a shame as I agree that water based paints do stay white. Just a pity they don't bond well to the wood you paint. It's better on new unpainted wood. I do use it on windows outside. But not on anything inside that could get knocked or scratched. Great videos by the way.
@@maxv77 that happens when you don't sand the old finish properly. Sand the old woody to death then re prime with a descent primer, undercoat, 2 top coats. Looks great, doesn't scrape off or yellow.
wicth is the best impact driver to bey
Surly you 2 are related? She looks like a much younger female (better looking,sorry) version of you Roger ha
She is my daughter (poor kid)
Painters don’t like water based paint because it covers bugger all and the finish is shit. It’s also softer. Oil based paint is also shite now. Europe ruined everything. When you’re a skilled, trained decorator (a dying breed) doing it for 20 years you’ll know what I mean 😉. Good channel btw.
True but i bet they said the same when they couldn't buy asbestos any more, since you're breathing it in every day you might appreciate the rules from a personal point of view even if professionally it's a pain.
Oil based paints should be stopped full stop.All these decorators need some head rewiring