Hisuian-Arcanine is dominating the post-DLC metagame, even with the existence of Landorus-Therian. Will H-Arc continue to have success even after DLC2 brings us Incineroar? What do you guys think!
H-Arc will prevail despite Incineroar because of what it offers, that being bait. Incineroar has the Steel/Fairy problem, typing being way too good to Terastilize, H-Arc no.
But I can argue that fire/Rock is a great offensive typing. So while Fire/Rock isn't a great defensive type per say, I think hisuian Arcanine can dish some serious damage. Heck it can do even more with its rock head ability since it doesn't take any recoil damage and it can mostly sweep anything quite well.
@@Feliciathedoll yeah, i feel like the main reason that the rock type is bad is that almost all of the rock type Pokémon are defensive or generally slow. Doesn't help that stealth rocks basically counts as having constant rock type coverage throughout the entire game. Even considering the few faster rock types, lycanrock has low stats and no secondary stab, aerodactyl is lacking in attack and in a good flying stab and minior is kinda a gimmick. The only two really good speedy rock types are Terrakion and Iron boulder, terrakion having a better offensive typing and iron boulder having an accurate rock type stab. Oh, and i guess ogrepon has its rock type form which is alright In infinite fusion im running a weavile rampardos combo, and it absolutely shreds through teams with sheer force and good stats, seeing as it has one of the best offensive type combos in rock ice.
That "he does exactly what I do, but better" meme culminating with hisuian Arcanine is so sad yet funny at the same time. I will always have a soft spot for this pokemon. He was the only reason why I would ever do a playthrough in the original Pokemon Red when I was a kid and not pick Charizard.
I love seeing my favorite Pokémon get talked about. Arcanine was my favorite since red and blue. Now H-Arcanine is simply beautiful becoming that true legendary he is in my heart. Truly looking like a real foo dog.
Clicked thinking this was going to be a video covering H-Arc's recent Regional success and wanted to hear your spin, and was very pleasantly surprised it extended beyond that. Really enjoyed the historical breakdown of Arcanine, looking forward to more videos of this style.
95 base speed will-o-wisp + intimate can never be slept on. And the fact you can plop it down in-front of iron hands, flutter mane, rilliboom and chien-pao without any issues makes it even better.
One of my favorite things to watch on RUclips, even if it's only once a month or two, is Summoning Salt's history of speedrunning things. They are told as stories as much as anything, and I'm already getting that feel here. I feel like you might be able to both document the history of things like this and can tell stories like that. Even if it's less often, I'd love to see stuff like that. I don't know if the audience is there for it, but man, I hope so.
Tera contributes to why hisuian arcanine is better than arcanine right now. Other than type weaknesses, overall hisuian arcanine is a better intimidate user than regular arcanine.
6:10 I'm 90% sure Eruption was exclusive to Heatran from the *other* spin-off game, Pokemon *Ranger* because I don't think MD ever did those sorts of tie-in pokemon, even though Ranger did a bunch of them, including an entire mythical pokemon in Manaphy.
I love historical breakdowns of VGC and the meta games throughout the years. Interesting to see how Arcanine has been used and why it’s been overlooked throughout the years. Great video!
Arcanine is my favourite Pokemon, full stop. I love the Hisuian version being an unstoppable chainsaw of rocky and fiery death. But I have a soft spot for my OG Kanto child.
In Gen 3 VGC (Orre Colosseum), Arcanine is actually pretty strong despite no physical special split. It's currently ranked at the top of A tier, because of its ability to OHKO the king of the format Metagross and intimidate every other physical attacker (besides Regis and Pinsir) as well as having rare tools in Helping Hand and Extreme Speed. Even though it doesn't have any other notable support options yet, the sheer power of its Overheat lets it put in work in nearly every matchup. At max SpAtk, it can OHKO the likes of Tauros, Gengar and Medicham. It is the second best intimidater right behind Tauros which sits in A+ tier.
I feel like giving him the Normal/Fire typing would actually be a really good buff for him. Not only would he get STAB extreme speed, but he would be immune to ghost-type moves and resist fairy, making him a great answer to Fluttermane.
To be fair, rather than beating power creep I think Arcanine dodged it. Hisuian Arcanine is also a power crept version of Arcanine as well. But when Arcanine couldn't escape power creep, it saw no use.
Hi Ray, I'm not American, but I've known you since I started playing competitively years ago, I'm very happy that you have a channel, hope to see you again with other competitions as a player. I still own your metagross event, however recently or was able to see your interview and I admire all the achievements you have made in your life between being a musician, your studies and achievements as a gamer congratulations, I would very much like to hear some of your I work as a music composer
I like Arcanine a lot. In singles play, it usually can't even make the cut for UU because it doesn't have access to Swords Dance or Dragon Dance to make it an offensive sweeper.
Im not a competitive player so please feel free to educate and correct my ignorant butt, but isnt this how any and every pokemon becomes usable/unusable? By the game changing, rules changing, pokedex changing? Also, i would consider regional variants to be entirely new pokemon.
Some pokemon get buffs or nerfs which change them. Also while you might consider regional variants different pokemon, game freak doesn't since species clause applies to regional variants meaning they're viewed as the same pokemon by the game
Seeing as we have Arcanine-Hisuian, I believe Kanto Arcanine deserves a stat change. In my opinion, this should be the stat spread for both with 550 -------------------------- Kanto Arcanine Type: Fire / Fairy Ability: Critical Analysis (Lowers Sp ATK) HP: 90 Attack: 50 Defence: 90 Sp Atk: 115 Sp Def: 90 Speed: 115 ------------------------- - Fake Out - Parting Shot - Eruption - Protect -------------------------- Hisuia Arcanine Type: Fire / Rock Ability: Intimidate HP: 90 Attack: 115 Defence: 90 Sp Atk: 50 Sp Def: 90 Speed: 115 --------------------------- - Extreme Speed - Parting Shot - Flare Blitz - Protect -----------------------------
I'm sorry, but I find myself unable to see different regional variants as the same pokémon. To me, a Kantonian Persian and an Alolan one are two completeley separate mons, and the same goes for Arcanine. Too different, sometimes in typing, stats... and not just looks. I just can't.
Always tried to make old arcanine work in singles (mostly gen 4 and early gen 5), easily favorite gen 1. Stealth rock tho 😡. Glad its not been forgotten by gamefreak. Now we just need to bring the speed tier creep back in line and itll be a real powerhouse in singles
As of right now, Hisuian Arcanine is in Regulation E is 7/7 on Stream and 7/8 Overall! It's rock typing ain't just for show, it's also meant for all that gold it's winning right now! Let's gooooo!!!!!
Random little thing that I like to do- I don't actually use the intimidate ability on my H-Arcanine, instead I often use its other ability- Rock Head- which I often pair with Flare Blitz and Head Smash. The latter does 150 BSP, but when it connects you have 1/2 of your HP cut as recoil, and the prior has less recoil, but still a lot. But with Rock Head negating any recoil damage, they are really spammable.
I actually can't believe it... Ray wrote this script when it had only won a single regional after Worlds, and yet time and time again this video has been proven to become increasingly relevant
@pokezach494_ couldn't have said it better myself. None of us could have seen this coming. NONE. But I think things like this are healthy for the Meta. Suprises need to happen.
Arcanine is probably my favourite Pokémon so it really hurts to know that competitively Arcanine was just basically ‘Incineroar at home’ for a really long time
Even with Incineroar on the way I think there's a strong possibility hisuian arcanine can continue to be successful as even with lando that should deter it it's still having major success. When there's a rock slide there's a way!
I find it funny that H-Arcanine has a worse typing than regular Arcanine, and yet is better in every way. It's just like base form Balziken being Better than mega-Blaziken.
Never played legends arceus but I’ve used H-Arc on my solo fire and sand runs in radical red and he was a staple both times 🙌🏼 head smash/flare blitz would almost always OHKO and accelerock was CRUCIAL time after time
How does it manage to overcome its two quadruple weaknesses to water and ground? Does it have to work as a glass cannon? Are water and ground moves just not popular? Or what?
Ya know how did moves like flame wheel and fire punch even make it past r&d in the first place without the split 😂 there are just so many unnecessary moves before the split
I love this type of content and the quality was great. I hope these take off. I'm looking forward to seeing more of them. I played vgc in gen 7 and I loved using arcanine. It was a great support pokemon but could also be used very offensively with both good power and useful coverage depending on the set. Casually it had always been one of my favourite pokemon, fighting for a spot with ninetales. With ninetales getting an alolan form that was also quite good I could finally use both on a team.
Let’s be honest, Arcanine’s 555 BST carried it for a while, until Intimidate & Will-o-wisp took over. For a while it had the highest BST of any non legendary/pseudo legendary pokemon. I say this as a fan, fire is my favorite type. So i make a mono fire team every generation. Guess who’s one of my go to’s
Hisuian-Arcanine is dominating the post-DLC metagame, even with the existence of Landorus-Therian. Will H-Arc continue to have success even after DLC2 brings us Incineroar? What do you guys think!
H-Arc might still have a niche due to its offensive capabilities, but I suspect incin while take over unfortunately. I hate that stupid thing
@@ben_mxllerit's not bad incin meta is just good over every thing else
I saw someone post the calc. Banded HArc at -1 has like a 87% chance to OHKO incin with Head Smash if it lands. Incin doesn't threaten anything back
H-Arc will prevail despite Incineroar because of what it offers, that being bait. Incineroar has the Steel/Fairy problem, typing being way too good to Terastilize, H-Arc no.
Amulet harcanine could go crazy with a howl user
“How Arcanine was power crept by Hisuian Arcanine”
“Why Intimidate is a good move in doubles”
“How Arcanine was power crept by itself”
@@iantaakalla8180 "why intimidate is an ability not a move"
@@iantaakalla8180”why intimidate is not a move”
"Why intimidate is a better move when a special attacker is using it"
I find it funny that an alright pokemon managed to make a resurgence by getting a worse defensive typing
combined with the fact fire and rock are great offensive typings(hits 6 types for super effective and no two types resist the combo)
@@lillyie agreed 100% rock is probably tied for second best offensive typing with ground (#1 is ice)
But I can argue that fire/Rock is a great offensive typing. So while Fire/Rock isn't a great defensive type per say, I think hisuian Arcanine can dish some serious damage. Heck it can do even more with its rock head ability since it doesn't take any recoil damage and it can mostly sweep anything quite well.
@@Feliciathedoll yeah, i feel like the main reason that the rock type is bad is that almost all of the rock type Pokémon are defensive or generally slow. Doesn't help that stealth rocks basically counts as having constant rock type coverage throughout the entire game.
Even considering the few faster rock types, lycanrock has low stats and no secondary stab, aerodactyl is lacking in attack and in a good flying stab and minior is kinda a gimmick. The only two really good speedy rock types are Terrakion and Iron boulder, terrakion having a better offensive typing and iron boulder having an accurate rock type stab.
Oh, and i guess ogrepon has its rock type form which is alright
In infinite fusion im running a weavile rampardos combo, and it absolutely shreds through teams with sheer force and good stats, seeing as it has one of the best offensive type combos in rock ice.
@@lillyiei thought water and ground resists fire and rock
That "he does exactly what I do, but better" meme culminating with hisuian Arcanine is so sad yet funny at the same time. I will always have a soft spot for this pokemon. He was the only reason why I would ever do a playthrough in the original Pokemon Red when I was a kid and not pick Charizard.
I love seeing my favorite Pokémon get talked about. Arcanine was my favorite since red and blue. Now H-Arcanine is simply beautiful becoming that true legendary he is in my heart. Truly looking like a real foo dog.
He is a good boy, i love him so much.
Yes
Arcanine is my favorite as well, there's something really cool about giant dogs that breath fire.
Once a good boy, always a good boy
Clicked thinking this was going to be a video covering H-Arc's recent Regional success and wanted to hear your spin, and was very pleasantly surprised it extended beyond that. Really enjoyed the historical breakdown of Arcanine, looking forward to more videos of this style.
So glad I got to play a part in bringing Ray Rizzo’s content back to the people 💪🏻
Hope you guys enjoy the video!!
W ON YOU MY G
@@spookysquirtle THANK YOU I APPRECIATE YOU
@@pokezach494_ your content is pretty damn good too keep it up my g
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halway through the vid i was like holy shit this editing is so good what
@@lukebalmer7109 Shoot dude that means a lot, thank you
My favorite doggo. I just like the thumbnail how the Hisuian version just YOINKS the trophy out of the Kantonian.
The Utrecht regionals saw Harcanine and articuno being the champion with only 1 incineroar cutting top 8 so that’s something
When the world needed him most, he returned.
Are you talking about Ray or Arcanine?
@@ben_mxller Yes.
@@gligarguy4010 🤣🤣
95 base speed will-o-wisp + intimate can never be slept on. And the fact you can plop it down in-front of iron hands, flutter mane, rilliboom and chien-pao without any issues makes it even better.
HCanine actually only has 90 Speed, btw
“Without any issues” ok lad
Normal arcanine. HArcanine is overrated.@@breloommaster12
95 base speed will-o-wisp + INTIMATE can never be slept on.
Okay... What kind of doggo is that?
Intimate? Leave the poor dog alone you creep!
One of my favorite things to watch on RUclips, even if it's only once a month or two, is Summoning Salt's history of speedrunning things. They are told as stories as much as anything, and I'm already getting that feel here. I feel like you might be able to both document the history of things like this and can tell stories like that. Even if it's less often, I'd love to see stuff like that. I don't know if the audience is there for it, but man, I hope so.
11:25 😂 Including Baz Anderson’s face and video while showing off Jamie Boyt’s team is just funny
Rock Head was the buff arcanine never knew it needed
(except hisuian arcanine still uses intimidate over rock head most of the time, even when using both flare blitz and head smash)
@@ThePokegeek5000 thats wild to me cuz at that point use regular arcanine if your going to use it the same imo
@@Dandiyama Stab Rock Slide on a choice band set is the one thats won the Regionals, with Intimidate. Hits like a truck
Tera contributes to why hisuian arcanine is better than arcanine right now. Other than type weaknesses, overall hisuian arcanine is a better intimidate user than regular arcanine.
(i would bet that without tera arcanine would be the superior option because that hisuian defensive typing is ... certainly something)
6:10 I'm 90% sure Eruption was exclusive to Heatran from the *other* spin-off game, Pokemon *Ranger* because I don't think MD ever did those sorts of tie-in pokemon, even though Ranger did a bunch of them, including an entire mythical pokemon in Manaphy.
Saw the thumbnail and I knew this was gonna be fire
I love historical breakdowns of VGC and the meta games throughout the years. Interesting to see how Arcanine has been used and why it’s been overlooked throughout the years. Great video!
Arcanine is my favourite Pokemon, full stop. I love the Hisuian version being an unstoppable chainsaw of rocky and fiery death.
But I have a soft spot for my OG Kanto child.
Haha I like that you said full stop.
He's just such a good boi :)
In Gen 3 VGC (Orre Colosseum), Arcanine is actually pretty strong despite no physical special split. It's currently ranked at the top of A tier, because of its ability to OHKO the king of the format Metagross and intimidate every other physical attacker (besides Regis and Pinsir) as well as having rare tools in Helping Hand and Extreme Speed. Even though it doesn't have any other notable support options yet, the sheer power of its Overheat lets it put in work in nearly every matchup. At max SpAtk, it can OHKO the likes of Tauros, Gengar and Medicham. It is the second best intimidater right behind Tauros which sits in A+ tier.
I like the new editing! And of course your insight on vgc are on point as always
I’m glad you liked it!! It was a bit nerve-wracking editing for someone else for the first time, let alone Ray Rizzo himself
@@pokezach494_ the recurring he's me but better meme was great lol 10/10 no notes
@@aao8578Haha yeah I had fun with that one
Great video! Editing was fantastic
Great video Ray! Looking forward to see what you've got in store for us 🙏
I feel like giving him the Normal/Fire typing would actually be a really good buff for him. Not only would he get STAB extreme speed, but he would be immune to ghost-type moves and resist fairy, making him a great answer to Fluttermane.
This is a great video! You can see the effort (time and money!) put into it. Looking forward to the channel growing
Wow who did this editing its top notch, give them a freaking raise.
You forgot to mention Arcanine-Hisui victory in senior World Championship.
Neat analysis video! Thanks for the uploading!
Just wanted to say gain now that I've finished, I REALLY like this type of video and the presentation. Excellent work.
Arcanine beat power creep because he is a good doggo
Great video, Ray!
Great video! He was quite literally the UNDERDOG of the Hisuian mons due to its x4 weaknesses.
To be fair, rather than beating power creep I think Arcanine dodged it. Hisuian Arcanine is also a power crept version of Arcanine as well. But when Arcanine couldn't escape power creep, it saw no use.
Hi Ray, I'm not American, but I've known you since I started playing competitively years ago, I'm very happy that you have a channel, hope to see you again with other competitions as a player. I still own your metagross event, however recently or was able to see your interview and I admire all the achievements you have made in your life between being a musician, your studies and achievements as a gamer congratulations, I would very much like to hear some of your I work as a music composer
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
My favorite Pokémon! Thank u Ray!
THE Ray Rizzo needs more hype on RUclips 🔥
I like Arcanine a lot. In singles play, it usually can't even make the cut for UU because it doesn't have access to Swords Dance or Dragon Dance to make it an offensive sweeper.
So basically, Arcanine is the team that wins ice hockey at the olympic games or world championships a lot, when no NHL gamers are there.
Yeah that was my thought, Arcanine "beat" power creep, but only when Nintendo decided to remove that power creep.
Im not a competitive player so please feel free to educate and correct my ignorant butt, but isnt this how any and every pokemon becomes usable/unusable? By the game changing, rules changing, pokedex changing? Also, i would consider regional variants to be entirely new pokemon.
Some pokemon get buffs or nerfs which change them. Also while you might consider regional variants different pokemon, game freak doesn't since species clause applies to regional variants meaning they're viewed as the same pokemon by the game
a whole new flavor of RAY RIZZO
I thought H-Arcanine was gonna be bad due to have 2x quad weaknesses to very common types. I was definitely wrong on that one.
Seeing as we have Arcanine-Hisuian, I believe Kanto Arcanine deserves a stat change. In my opinion, this should be the stat spread for both with 550
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Kanto Arcanine
Type: Fire / Fairy
Ability: Critical Analysis (Lowers Sp ATK)
HP: 90
Attack: 50
Defence: 90
Sp Atk: 115
Sp Def: 90
Speed: 115
-------------------------
- Fake Out
- Parting Shot
- Eruption
- Protect
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Hisuia Arcanine
Type: Fire / Rock
Ability: Intimidate
HP: 90
Attack: 115
Defence: 90
Sp Atk: 50
Sp Def: 90
Speed: 115
---------------------------
- Extreme Speed
- Parting Shot
- Flare Blitz
- Protect
-----------------------------
Funny how two cats are “dog but better”
Great video! It was super fun and it was a blast to learn so much about the history of Arcanine! 😀
I love how everyone dismissed Hisuian Arcanin because of the fire/rock typing, but is dominating competitive.
You live in rock right?
me and my sisters used to play pokemon showdown with some teams, i remember sweeping them with flare blitz arcanine
Return of the king
I'm sorry, but I find myself unable to see different regional variants as the same pokémon. To me, a Kantonian Persian and an Alolan one are two completeley separate mons, and the same goes for Arcanine. Too different, sometimes in typing, stats... and not just looks. I just can't.
Im suprised no mention of Arcanine being one of the soul abuser of burn up
Even if he does one day drop from the competitive scene, he'll always be the strongest in my heart
"Local big dog gets kicked to the side time and time again, has had enough"
He intimidated the powercreep away
Gotta love arcanine original and hisuian.
Always tried to make old arcanine work in singles (mostly gen 4 and early gen 5), easily favorite gen 1. Stealth rock tho 😡. Glad its not been forgotten by gamefreak. Now we just need to bring the speed tier creep back in line and itll be a real powerhouse in singles
How is it only today that I learn The Ray Rizzo has a RUclips?!
Im a simple man, when Ray posts. I watch.
Welcome back goat
As of right now, Hisuian Arcanine is in Regulation E is 7/7 on Stream and 7/8 Overall!
It's rock typing ain't just for show, it's also meant for all that gold it's winning right now!
Let's gooooo!!!!!
I love this best friend. It's so fluffy and adorable and [Tera Normal Choice Band Extreme Speed]
Random little thing that I like to do- I don't actually use the intimidate ability on my H-Arcanine, instead I often use its other ability- Rock Head- which I often pair with Flare Blitz and Head Smash. The latter does 150 BSP, but when it connects you have 1/2 of your HP cut as recoil, and the prior has less recoil, but still a lot. But with Rock Head negating any recoil damage, they are really spammable.
5 for 5 baby!!
I actually can't believe it...
Ray wrote this script when it had only won a single regional after Worlds, and yet time and time again this video has been proven to become increasingly relevant
@pokezach494_ couldn't have said it better myself.
None of us could have seen this coming. NONE. But I think things like this are healthy for the Meta. Suprises need to happen.
Thank you aaron for making will o wisp 85 acc
Thank you for this day thank you for being so kind help me and these people to better understand you
Arcanine is probably my favourite Pokémon so it really hurts to know that competitively Arcanine was just basically ‘Incineroar at home’ for a really long time
16:27 it was at this time I realized:
I was watching Ray Rizzo
arcanine walked so incinaroar could run
Incinaroar is the Pokemon on two feet (walking) and Arcanine is on all fours (running), so the analogy doesn't really work
Even with Incineroar on the way I think there's a strong possibility hisuian arcanine can continue to be successful as even with lando that should deter it it's still having major success. When there's a rock slide there's a way!
YO ITS THE AMAZING RAY RIZZO
I run a choice band rock head max atk, speed, adamant hisui arcanine with head smash, wild charge, flare blitz and grass tera blast
More videos like this please 🙏🏻
The goat is back
Return of the GOAT
My fave boy! Lovee it
I love how the pokemon that replaced arcanine b4 like gyarados and Landorus-Therian had 4x weakness so Arcanine went ahead and got 2 OF THEM😂
nice thumbnail homie, you should enter the 2023 pokemon illustration contest
I can tell my goat MJ 🐐made this thumbnail so Ig Im a Ray Rizzo watcher now 😤✊
I find it funny that H-Arcanine has a worse typing than regular Arcanine, and yet is better in every way. It's just like base form Balziken being Better than mega-Blaziken.
FURRETT HE WALK
These pronunciations are giving Wolfe a run for his money
Arcanine beat power creep.. by being the only option available in that game.. and becoming a new Pokémon
Never played legends arceus but I’ve used H-Arc on my solo fire and sand runs in radical red and he was a staple both times 🙌🏼 head smash/flare blitz would almost always OHKO and accelerock was CRUCIAL time after time
Hisuian Arcanine: Has a worse typing than Kantonian Arcanine, which ended up making it better than the pure-Fire breed.
I love how even after over 20 years gen 1 pokemon like Arcanine gyrados and dragonite still being used and good
Our favorite high end mons
How does it manage to overcome its two quadruple weaknesses to water and ground? Does it have to work as a glass cannon? Are water and ground moves just not popular? Or what?
Good boy, Arcanine.
Ya know how did moves like flame wheel and fire punch even make it past r&d in the first place without the split 😂 there are just so many unnecessary moves before the split
I love this type of content and the quality was great. I hope these take off. I'm looking forward to seeing more of them.
I played vgc in gen 7 and I loved using arcanine. It was a great support pokemon but could also be used very offensively with both good power and useful coverage depending on the set. Casually it had always been one of my favourite pokemon, fighting for a spot with ninetales. With ninetales getting an alolan form that was also quite good I could finally use both on a team.
Arcanine is a good boi
Didn’t Heatran get access to eruption from a Pokémon Ranger event?? Not Mystery Dungeon??
yea that was a mistake on his end
How Arcanine JOINED powercreep.
The GOAT WITH A GOAT VIDEO
Ray Rizzo vs Wolfey in scarlet/violet match i want to see
It really needs a mega evolution. Or a signature move or ability. Or a third evolution to the original. Or past and present forms.
Wait RAY RIZZO?!
Wasn’t eruption heatran from Pokémon rangers 3?
Let’s be honest, Arcanine’s 555 BST carried it for a while, until Intimidate & Will-o-wisp took over. For a while it had the highest BST of any non legendary/pseudo legendary pokemon.
I say this as a fan, fire is my favorite type. So i make a mono fire team every generation. Guess who’s one of my go to’s
Nice thumbnail! Who’s the artist?
Jamie Boyt looks so weird without his long hair
Imagine using old school Rhydon with Horn Drill and Fissure. 1 hit KO moves.