Episode 1 (Offlane/3): ruclips.net/video/Fapljcd3L-k/видео.html Episode 2 (Carry/1): ruclips.net/video/0Im2wRxXqSY/видео.html Episode 3 (Hard Support/5 - Part 1): ruclips.net/video/-uFThCZ1D6M/видео.html Episode 4 (Hard Support/5 - Part 2) ruclips.net/video/ng-OArDHZLM/видео.html Due to the success of the series, we have decided to make this a weekly format. This is not escaping the trench, it's not going to be a grind for ego purposes. This will simply be applying 9k techniques in each of the respective positions to make people aware of the skills and techniques you can use in your own lower mmr games. This is strictly for educational purposes.
I lost it when waifu joined and tried to help not only emotionally but also with advice. And the video title should be changed to 'How to apply 9k tactics while getting a hair massage' 24:59
Holy shit. I will need to watch this 5-6 times and write everything down. Things I didnt understand: 14:30 - forcing FV timewalk before tower comes up?? What is it with the tower? 15:20 - he doesn't want to rotate = he doesn't care because of the hero Mars, or because he is 9k and doesn't want to invest his time into 2k pleb? 4 fundamentals to always think about 1) You need to be able to *clear waves* quickly (→ battlefury AM) 2) You gotta be *survivable* (can 1v1) (→ manta AM) 3) You need *killing* item (→ basher/abyssal AM) → force enemy rotations/get free objectives (towers, roshan) 4) You need *highground* items (assault cuirass, satanic, ..) *BSJ is being funny* Laning - he has nearly perfect LHs (he doesn't miss randomly = he played the hero so many times he is used to its attack animations) - he uses his spells either to deny voids creeps or to secure last hit + harrass the enemy - the goal is to get enemy safelane T1 ASAP => lane sustain items → boot the enemy out of lane → get the tower (vlads - good sustain + ↑ATK of jugg in mid to late) - quick hint - buy faerie fire (or idk how is it spelled) against Witch Doctor to sustain maledict damage (you can notice later in the game Immortal BSJ using neutral item Greater Faerie Fire to sustain the maledict because no one in our bracket gives a flying fuck about maledict after 15 minutes in the game) - draws aggro frequently → secures ranged creep with W - he wants the creeps to be under his tower under one of two conditions: 1) He doesn't have a ulti (below lvl 6) 2) He doesn't have the ulti (cd on Arena) - you can cut the creep wave to "reset" the lane - take the wave near T1 and wave for your creep wave (void gets free wave under tower but after that he is gonna be contested far from tower) - if you are pos 4, or pos 5 it is generally very good idea to let your core get solo XP (things you can do instead: block small camp so they cannot pull/help midlane by securing rune, by poking the other mid etc/go on enemy support and try to hunt him if you get him low/snipe their couriers) -it is 5 minutes in the game → catapults spawn - catapults are mini-objectives to play around because they deal massive damage to enemy towers - when you are trying to push the lane with catapult you will have to deal with the enemy's catapult first → your creeps will be delayed (by killing cata) and therefore there is going to be double wave created → ↑pushing power - If you don't kill enemy core it doesn't necesarily mean bad thing - they will either have to heal somehow which costs money (moneywise, it is cheaper to regen mana than to regen HP!!!) - first item is to clear waves - Vlads - it gives you HP sustain (lifesteal from W of Mars gives you HP from every creep you hit with it) and mana sustain (2 mana per second aura) - Void gets lvl 6 = big power spike in his ultimate but Void isn't really killer hero just yet therefore you need to watch for rotations (from my experience if you just KNOW that there is a thing called powerspike in Dota you can make your game very easily in 2k bracket, 99% of players don't care about that) (again, think of cats and mice) - Mars has 90 sec cooldown which isn't that long, there are way worse cooldowns - don't be afraid to ever use your spells! (Magnuses, Enigmas, Voids, Lunas, .....) - after being elusive towards void (pulling big camp) he runs back full HP, full mana to the lane and again starts to "loosen up" Voids HP → Void has about 50% HP→ Arena-spear = kill (kill is good, because 1) You can pressure the tower 2) You get money 3) Kill on Void means he can't farm while dead) -BSJ didn't mention it, maybe because he has an internal clock and feel, but he went to lane and kill Void when catapults showed up after min 10 = pressure on the tower is huge - he doesn't have ulti and FV does → cat and mouse = pulls again → didn't make it + there was enemy support = go away from the lane for a while and wait until it is under my tower - BSJ decides to go on Sven - but why Sven??? - 1) Void is really behind and will struggle anyway 2) Sven can farm fast so killing him means you really lower his farming speed - I would say that this is phase in which midgame starts Midgame - try to shut down farming carries (Void, Sven) because you are strong; how to be aggresive 101 = go in their jungle and use your shit, just like that - returns to top, because CREEPS = GOLD = ITEMS = POWERSPIKES = KILLS which can be then converted to push - another elusive move, because he doesn't have arena, but Void has Chrono - go behind their tower and cut the creep wave towards river → you can go mid, or stay → BSJ goes mid = he can pressure mid tower (higher map value than top) + he takes DD rune (POWERSPIKE) + he has Arena (POWERSPIKE) - when you make move when you are powerful, you can dive - you should immediately retreat if you: 1) lose the powerspike (you have used the ultimate) 2) See more people TP in (Towers have aura that buff allied heroes around them therefore it is not good to fight them (not to mention dmg from towers)) - he retreats but already knows where he goes, because he wants to kill CREEPS = ge goes top → he can pressure Tower because no one is on lane + someone has used TP to mid, so at least one hero cannot TP in to save the T1 - he solo-kills support = he gets money, support will be dead = you can force 4v5 fight, because there are still more ultis in game - goes back to top, to man-up to the Sven (Sven cannot kill him solo, because he doesn't have items) - he is survivable to man-up 1v1 thanks to Vlads, therefore he goes for solo kill items = Blink, Deso - notice that he ships a lot of clarities, because Mars has mana issues - Again, Mars has ulti = you gotta aggresive and shut down farming enemies = BSJ goes straight into farming Sven → Sven thinks he can kill Mars, but Mars is naturally durable → BSJ kites Mars towards Jugg and they use 2v1 situation to kill Sven (again, it is NOT NEEEDED to KILL sven but to make him feel UNCOMFORTABLE on HIS part of MAP) - notice that he watches items on other heroes (enemy and allied) (I have good experience with this. I have played a good amount of Legion Commander. Many players think that Linkens Sphere is the counter against Duel but when I learnt to always check enemy items I noticed them building linkens → I will go for Linkens-cancelling items. Ez game, when you spent 2k on Force Staff vs Core who spends 5.5k on bullshit item) - pushes out wave towards enemy bot T2 → TPs away to top = kills CREEPS, pushes wave → goes jungle (farms hard) - it is around 20 minutes in game, enemy casters have usually high level so they can kill you = you might need to buy BKB, because of that - BSJ is strong, because he has been farming a lot → wants to jump heroes around mid (his team is 2k-slow-paced therefore he got almost killed) → they take good teamfight, because having Deso on Mars feels actually pretty OP → they win TF → pushes and kills creeps - you can go to base to regen any time of game (I struggle with that while laning because I usually ship out regen with courier and try to soak XP from the lane while having 20% HP) → try to kill some creep camps while on the way *WIP, ended at **30:00**, ty for your support*
Just be 7000 mmr higher than any other in your game and its easy. But its hard when there is casual party of 3ees that are ancient - divine smurfs smurffing against u and u are NOT 7k above but mby 500 above
Most informative smurf match I've ever seen. I think it really makes a difference that you're genuinely teaching best practices and respecting the potential of your opponents rather than doing what most smurfs do and letting the power go to their head and playing like a maniac to prove they can.
not to take away from bsj cuz this is really good content i'm grateful for, but henry did a whole series like this twice in a row where he explained his thought process in excruciating detail.. i'll admit henry does tend to get a bit full of himself at times and his peak mmr isn't as high as bsj, but the hate he gets is disproportionate to those flaws.
@@prettymaladies its just the man is quite arrogant. Even top tier players such as ceb and w33 gets hate when they play arrogantly. What more henry that not only play arrogantly but also talk shit the most. The hate he gets is mostly about his attitude and if he continue on his attitude that i have seen a lot such as that puck game where he mentions "i deserve higher mmr and those here in my bracket are shit" where he is stuck at 500ish immortal and cant rise while pro player smurf accounts can reach top 100 fast is a good telling of his own skills. Even the fucking toxic E.E is in the upper ranks of dota despite his shity attitude because his skills suite his bracket. Henry does not have the excuse to shit on his teamates if he cant rise on his own.
@@BzrLee this is a factually incorrect statement man. he does buy accounts but it's not that often, and for specific reasons. I been watching him for a long time and I've noticed he buys accounts. but I also noticed him grind straight up to 7k from 6k in a month when all his smurfs got banned, and his twitch got shut down, and he had personal issues. he is narcissistic as fuck and I get that can be off putting but these false statements are just a bandwagon that people love to jump on against him for some reason. if its just his personality flaws then just don't subscribe or watch his stuff, there's no need to spread lies about him - what u said is just a regurgitated statement that has been around ever since he started gaining traction online. I literally used to not watch his stream half the time because of his toxic tendencies but spreading lies about him does me zero good and I'm not here to hurt his reputation just cuz it's in fashion to do so within certain spheres of the dota community
It's not that bad if you understand what you should do as a support and utilizing what you've got on the hero. The best 4 heroes would look so bad if you play like that guy.
My biggest problem with playing in the trench is that a lot of things in dota don't pay off immediately, and when I know I'm not great, and the games are inconsistent, it makes it hard to realize in the moment whether what I'm doing is wrong or right. Even worse when you have a team goading you to do something else. Just makes it hard to learn/internalize new concepts. I definitely like this video, gives me more confidence in just doing what seems correct regardless of whatever else is going on. My worst enemy in any match is definitely myself.
I've found this to be one of the most difficult challenges when trying to improve. As a game with high variance, having the confidence to do what it's "right" can be difficult. If you are playing GREAT (compared to your rank) you'll still lose 4 out of 10 games, but you'll steadily climb. Keep doing what it's right!
Thats why you should look at your progress per week or month not perday, if you get more mmr that mean you do something right, that just it, my firstt calibration is 1.3 and im 3.8 at max, i notice something yes you mrr is going up and down, but once youre play style is according to some bracket, even if you loose tons of mmr you'll get to where you belong easily, thats just how dota work, and if you are somehow get really lucky and grind tons of mmr without having the capability to be in there, you'll loose tons of game sooner or later
I liked that he missed lots of spells. Reassured me it's not about being perfect mechanically - ok to miss so long as you're doing the right things strategically
@@rykom1ke665 yeah video like this restores hope n humaity. I aalmost gave up when my hand soo slow to take off stat item to regen or global agroo or etc
He missed his spells not for a reason. Why you guys like this video so much?! Do you think the Dire feels the same? Report all smurfs. If you lose lots of games on your bracket this is not a excuse to ruin legends!
It proves that even a 9k player is not mechanically God. It's the decisions what sets them apart. Use brain more know why you're doing every single thing and know that even if you miss it still makes a better outcome than not doing it.
the amazing thing about BSJ is that every game i watch him play mars (a hero he plays a lot) he fucks up like 3 kills with bad spears (even against 2ks rofl) and he is still 9k, proof that you dont need to be a god mechanically as long as youre using your brain
I mean a lot of support player is not that mechanical, because support hero is not mechanical at all (well maybe visage, the rest are simpler), for a support positioning is far more important, how to get some gold, how to use gold as efficient because of how little you got
I'm pretty sure one match of ranked smurfing is enough He's already getting wayy too much backlash from people for just this one game so it's better to learn what we can from this game and then apply his higher MMR fundamentals in our matches because as he said - the same fundementals work in our MMR too
That Luna is that guy in your group who says "Good job guys, we did it" when he hasn't contributed to the group project. Just a joke, he is prob learning, we all do
@@dudeistpreist5721 The so called harass is useless... Lucent beam is not a harassing spell... And he is moreover useless... Coz he soaked the XP... If void was a good player... They would have killed mars, during the XP gap, with help of witch doctor...
@@sakthlaunda2323 harass wasn't useless the witch doctor bought wand instead of regen and then the void couldnt even start to think about trading with the mars if both sides are equally good the lane can go either way, it entirely depends on fuck ups, blocking camps and pulling waves
Well, i usually don't post commentary but after reading the other comment, i feel like i have to : Thanks a lot BSJ for this video ! It's really helpfull. I'm trying so hard to understand and apply your advices, but it's way better with this game as an example ! :) So, even if indeed this video is a "Smurfing game", thank you for making it ! It will be a good tool to analyse.
I see a lot of comments like " In my game X happened and that wouldn't work in my game" I think the point Is that choosing a lane pushing hero, farming well, and constantly re-evaluating the situation leads to wins. Not ever game Is winnable, but I'm confident out of 100 games bsj would probably win 85 in this bracket.
Remember guys, with a hero like Mars who has mana issues, you always gotta be topped up 33:40 👍 But seriously, thanks for knowledge. BSJ and his crew are doing god's work (smurfing lol). Keep up the good job!
Hey, great video. Lots to learn. It would also be really helpful if you could mention a few tips from the enemy’s prospective too, like what should they be doing in response to you. Grow example if you’re pulling the lane and you’re solo, because you’re pos 4 is not there, what should the safe lane do. Or if you’re cutting the waves or sth. Would be really helpful to know and learn. Keep it up!!
This is very enlightening BSJ. I also appreciate that you even mechanically played like a 2k for us (missing abilities and shit all the time lol jkjkjk) but really good video I appreciate it.
That luna is my dream support at 2k compared to the average one who is standing in creep wave randomly attacking creeps and fking up agro. doesn't take away from bsjs points
Excellent performance mr banana. Once again you show that people are archons cuz they deserve to be archons. Once you get rid of that mentality, you’ll start to gain mmr.
I got called a smurf on my 1.7k game because I followed the concepts you've been emphasizing BSJ. Don't care whatever your team is doing, just push waves. And I was also a Mars on that game. Thank you very much.
You should make this a video series where you would play low MMR bracket once a week or something. I feel like many of your viewers have low mmr and it would benefit us a lot to see these commented games. Not only cores though, rotate positions for every video, should be awesome.
As a 2k witch doctor spammer, the enemy WD performance burns my eyes. He pulled, and thats nice, and he casts his spells, nice too. Even was aware his void could survive 1v1 against a mars, so being absent from lane a lot was okay so void could get a level advantage. But at no point did he take advantage of being a 600 range character and simply right click the enemy. BSJ was allowed to control the lane because WD simply wasnt landing free right clicks. BSJ even demonstrates all the times he can land free right clicks, and wins the lane because of it. Please, if you're a pos5, watch this and see what the off laner is allowed to do when you dont right click them.
@@johnklaus9111 i am talking about before BSJ was even level 5. WD has really good base damage at even level 1. He could have forced a mars out of lane at level 1-4. BSJ had such a comfy lane because he was basically 1v1 against a faceless void. Mind you, the luna was also useless, so void also was able to do lots of farming too.
@@quad_buck5286 quite the opposite. The entire point of this video is that bsj's followers tell him he does not have valid advice for low mmr players because he doesn't play in low mmr. Since I do play in 2k, I do get to comment on improper play in the 2k bracket, and so can bsj because we have a video now showing it. I am only 2k because I dont play much. Reaching a higher rank is nothing more than slowly grinding out games.
@@sleipnir2034 If u are truly better then the bracket u are in you would get out of there in no time, i literally reached immortal 3 months ago by playing once every 2-3 days with a 70%+ winrate
1. Queuing for all roles...whatever matchmaking selects for me. 2. Queuing for specific role (the one that i enjoy and think i am good at) Does either of above statement matter for increasing chances of good match ups...?
The things is if you win your lane. Even the threat of walking into another lane as a act of dominance to turn the lane around will help them even if you dont execute the gank and just end up tping back.
Makes sense but to be a true 2k tutorial game while keeping only to creep clearing as the main factor, one has to (1) have poor mechanics in lane, (2) make poor team fight choices, and (3) not jungle between creep clearing (as most 2k players won't be using consumables to keep their mana up). Otherwise, it's hard to convincingly say it was the creep clearing that did it or all the other higher mmr techniques.
@@bamboookizeme6208 I'm critiquing based on the emphasized 2 tips BSJ gave at the beginning of the video to solo carry the game. (1) Clear waves and (2) get items that allow you to do that (farming item->survivability item->killing item -> high ground item). What I am getting from that advice is that if you play like a 2k player but do those two things, you will win the game. Otherwise the advice is play like a 8k player to win 2k games. Not too helpful imo. (Also need this weekend to come quicker...)
good video bsj, I still always feel critical with this kind of smurfing in a low elo thing. The video is really informative and I think most people get your point and it does seem all logical and easy. On the other side you are still a mechanical superior player to them all, so naturally you will activate bkb and dodge some spells when other poeple actually wouldnt. Last fight mid t3, you pinned mars so quick I had to rewatch the scene, and dodged the chrono kind of. Before sven could bkb. ofc the whole video worked towards this point of going Highground and thus you should be probably ahead and still win the fight, but not everyone has that quick movement and dicision making.
He literally missed spears all the time, mechanical slills are good but ddidnt contribute much this game... The reason he had so strong impact is because every single decision he made he did for a conscious reason. Low rank players tend to just walk around and do things mecanicaly in game, not understanding WHY they are doing it. And offcourse he is better at quick movement and decision making, he is a 9k player, which is why he is doing this videos, to explain to everyone the reasons behind every action.
This proves that you don't need mechanically a god to be good at playing DotA it's the decision. Look how many spears bsj missed but still absolutely owning the game. I'm a hundred percent sure a mars player who always land his spear and shit but has archon level decision making will lose so miserably to bsj anytime.
True, but he is great mechanically too. Look at the way he ult combo-ed. His placements were precise, item switching was ultra fast. Camera positioning and switching. It's just something I noticed, ofcourse you can still be a good dota player without it.
@@samarthkapuria yeah he's good. His spear attempt target and the target behind it always makes sense. The spell combo is really good too. He played alot of mars I think. Not perfect tho. But, to be fair even lukiluki who spam pango also missed alot of his spell. It's just really hard for that kind of spell to land perfectly everytime.
@@samarthkapuria lmao btw yeah it doesn't mean you can have no mechanic skill at all and expect being good imagine if bsj has 0% spear accuracy. He wouldn't be able to make a play even if he has the best knowledge of DotA in the world.
but what if luna went full carry mode here. that happens often in this bracket where you have a wk going midas radiance or something like that from the offlane and a carry in the safelane, and there's so much pressure on me as a midlaner to make things happen which isn't always possible
he kinda showed u what todo when that happens, u just push a lane on other side of the map and make good decisions. also, let me ask you this: who will win, a mind that is filled with information about the mistakes of its teammates or a mind that is filled with decisions of where to go and what to do?
as midlaner is way easier to carry a game, u get solo exp and u get the highest level in your team on the early minutes of the game, youre suposed to win mid then at least try to get some map control from the enemy so your team can have more space to farm (including you) my smrf that i rarely play i used to practice as mid then just outfarm enemys midlaner without jungling, the first 10-12 mins are quite enough for you to make a huge difference with a big and useful item (am offlaner currently tho)
@@Antido0 i tend to have issues with hereos like sf who aren't very survivable and dont have an escape mechanism. you can run around with heros like ember and make space but what happens if you're playing farming mids like ta or sf and you get cheesed like jakiro or pugna or batrider mid. then suddenly the map just gets closed in on you and since ta and sf need to be ahead to be very useful, the game becomes very difficult :( also sometimes i don't win mid as hard as i should but that's not supposed to result in a loss, you know? like, why do i have to play literally perfect every game, why do i not have room for error?
shit happens on some games too dont worry too much about it i wasnt a bad or good midlaner i was just average or below and usually id win my lane by just getting more lh/denies can try to work on it the thing that i can tell is that if you want to play ta/sf need to try to master them in terms of farm patterns, these two rely on outfarming enemy and if you dont the game becomes hard i always tried to avoid these two heros on the midlane
@@prettymaladies some games are just almost únwinnable..unless u use the perfect pick and ur waaaay better than ur rank... u dont need to achieve a 100% winrate to rank up.. even boosters only have 80-90% winrate.. everyone loses a game or two sometimes because of the teammates.. :P its just.. when you are stuck in ur rank for a long while , then its probably you
I think is in the low MMR bracket the problem is the Last hitting because they are not that good that last hitting because of the last hitting ever with your points, they can't win the game that easily if you the player are not that good at last hitting they cant get the item at times they cant be the part of the team fight surviving making the right call at the right time.
exactly.... on low mmr bracked are lot of smurfs, around 1k mmr. during the first creep weave i know, who is smurt, and who not, they are secured last hits, lot of deny, they know when trade, and when play safe, in mid game, they are showing, on 2 fights average, ofcorse just destroy the opponents. Wards for them is not obstacle because smoke.
Zzzzzzz Henry Dota (or Rawdota. Don't really know where. Just go look in both) has a whole series playing support smurfs and he easily wins games in low MMR games as well, and he's a lower tier immortal player than BSJ (sorry Henry
@@GlassOnion23 so to enter a mind of 2k means to just play core in 2k and carry games? Why don’t you just let him try the other roles in low mmr games? I did not even said for him to win games a support, I said he will understand the low mmr games more, isn’t that better for him?
@@oliversantiago6348 Because, I imagine, to a 9k player, it's all the same shit when you're dealing with a bracket where you're over 3 times higher in MMR. It doesn't really matter what position someone like BSJ plays, or what dumb stuff his teammates do in a shit tier MMR like 2k. He'll be able to carry almost all his games because his macro understanding and decision making, are far superior. But like I said earlier, if you want to see an immortal player stomp on 2-4ks as a support, you can watch rawdota's "Escaping the Trench" playlists. I'll link them to you here. ruclips.net/user/rawdotaplaylists
pls make more content like this..i am from india..there are many people in this country need to know this concept...pld make on guardian too pls ...wesome vid
I like how besides doing the right thing, the execution was more often than not on point with low mmr bracket xd This makes the video more valuable than doing everything perfectly in a non replicable way
WD n void can win the lane so easily, wd won't even harass the mars 2k players in NA are so noob in sea although toxic they atleast know how to win the lane
It doesnt matter what rating you're playing either be it 1-4k or 5-8k. As higher mmr you get the better players you'll meet and if you dont improve yourself you'll fall mmr. Don't expect people in 2k will have the reactions in 4-5k and higher. If you're enough good you'll climb over time. This is like: I havent played football, but if i go and play with some kids or teens i will be better than. And you ask why? Think about it? I will have better physics than then, i will be faster, my decisions will be better, i can outplay and so on. Don't expect when a pro players or high mmr player 7k+ when he got into 2-4k he won't own the games. Its simply because his understanding of the game is better than yours. His item timings are the same (same with the physics in football), he'll do faster some things you don't (like i'm faster than them) and so on. People in lower bracket punish less mistakes and come backs can happen all the time. Its up to you what you want to improve. Your mmr or how you play? You can always get a booster and get you out of your rank, but if you're not skilled enough you'll lose and become toxic again towards your mates. Remember not every game you will have that perfect farm or perfect support. You'll need to find the farm and the decision making yourself. And BSJ didn't flamed when hes mate picked luna as 4 like most of you would.
BSJ thank you man! You gave me the answer. The missing part of the puzzle. I wasn't building the highground items nearly as much as I need. Conceptwise it was clear to me. Split pushing taking the objectives etc. Just that last part of closing out the game had escaped my reach and it lost me so many games...Do you have any quick tips on how to close out a game with a composition that does not have a lot of natural sieging / pushing mechanisms against a defensive comp that just won't get out of the base without buyback?
Split the lanes. Top and mid or bot and mid. Push it into the high ground. Make the enemy split up their forces. Top and bottom is risky unless you have like NP or other really mobile heros like AM or QoP etc. And then back up to the jungle. Hit creeps wait for another wave to come. Clear it. Maybe team steps out of base cause they don't see you showing. And then you strike. You could also smoke in view of the enemy and have 1 person not in smoke with boots of travel and survivability, show in top. And then you guys wait and til you get some information. And if its clear and no backdoor protection up. Go hit the tower a couple times and back up. Generally, what im saying is, don't just say "highground!" And then go all or nothing on it. Unless you against treant, towers have 0 regen. So any right clicks on them, is good. Hitting a tower 2 times and backing up is fine. Meteor hammer is another good item especially on invis hero. If you sentry out of tower range to make sure your not visible. You can channel it on the towers and slow seige it nicely. Once the tower is dead. Work on ranged racks slowly as it doesnt regen. Once you get all 3 towers and all 3 ranged racks. If you still don't feel strong enough to full on fight in their base, you need to just keep trying to figure out which heroes are preventing you from doing it specifically. And if you can get them to be on same area, that's when you send it in. Dispell items like lotus orb help alot. Because you can lotus and run up hit a couple times and then back before it expires. Keeping you from being targeted by their spells. Slowly but surely seige it down. If none of this can work for you. Then just don't let them leave base, take all the farm on their side of map. And just get everyone moonshards and 6 slotted and buyback. And then just full send a single objective. And get out or completely die and buyback if needed. Then repeat that process everytime everyone had buyback up. Eventually you will take down the tower. Rapier is another solution, turns anyone into a tower hitter. Get a rapier and an aegis on the most survivable hero on team and play smart.
@@wscheets1600 Good stuff. Probably the rapier is the best solution. I am specifically refering to these nasty situations where they clear your waves before you can even step up to the tower. Really annoying. Your tips are most welcome anyway.
2K NA players are better than 2K SEA players. But at highesr levels 7k/8k the SEA players are better (ones living in big citiies) 2K SEA players here are usually those with bad internet or bad electricity (third world small town life) so they cant play well even if they wanted to.(120-200ms pings)
I rarely comment on videos, and since Mars is one of my favourite heroes with 90% win rate, I decided to comment on this one. I completely agree with you talking all the game, especially in the beginning of the video about scenarios when (not) to pick him. I have no clue why 140 people disliked this video... Or anytime you get a dislike. They are nuts. Maybe when you popped bkb right when you got it but shit happens and we all did that :))) Like I wanna tell my team, so I ping the item and suddenly whoops :)) But seriously, all the coaching, education, smurfing or playing with Arturo or Sumail, Qojqva series, literally anything with you Brian, top Dota content on RUclips hands down.
The best advice that I can give whoever read this comment is DotA 2 isn't just about fighting and winning. It's a game of constantly asking yourself. If you ask yourself more than your enemies do, you'll win a game of DotA 2 for sure. Since the hero drafting phase to the end of the game, you need to constantly ask yourself "can I kill him with these skills? Do I need my teammate to help me? Should I pull NC? I am too safe farming here, is it bad? Where are the enemy heroes? What should I build to counter him? Should I push the lane? Should I jump in to start the fight? What are the enemy heroes doing? Do they smoke up to gank someone? Should we get Rosh? Should I go bkb bcuz I already got Manta? Do I need survivability items or snow balling items? Can I survive with these items or delay the fight long enough till my mates arrive?" If you ask yourself more, you'll get more answers on how to play your game. The problem with low rank players is they don't play dota, they play street fighter. No plan, no strategy, no nothing. That's why even their fight is messed up. The best teacher is your mistake, I always look at my replay of the bad match I had and see why I died the way I'm not even supposed to, and see what bad decision I made and change the gameplay.
Nice try. Youre not the first to claim you could tame the chaos of lower rank matchmaking. Its a load of garbage because first of all you're doing isolated tests while most people who are complaining have hundreds of games "loaded" into their matchmaking. So if you wanted to prove it, you'd have go to the lowest ranks and actually climb up as an average of hundreds of games, not just have a perfect scenario on a perfect smurf. The people complaining don't have a perfect behavior score, they have pre-determined wins and losses with an enemy rival and a mix and match of bad to really bad players (who got the worst feeder loses by feeding the other rival who's supposed to be your equal) and people have mixed skill with a much higher dynamic variety as opposed to middle tier consistency. The weirdest thing is you find really good players at low ranks who might be there because they are some how off but still have the skill of a smurf, and you might have a really bad player on your team that feeds them and they snowball. So yeah, good luck "pushing lanes." And it doesn't take them walking down mid as 4 to throw. All it takes is one play at the end where they throw because the better you do the more weird your teammates get. Youre being pushed to 50/50 win rate so the better you do the better your rivals are and the worse your teammates get to push you back to 50/50. But I guess you haven't thought of all that. Pro tip: pro games are easier than smurfing because everyone is stable and predictable. Also the only way to escape the trench is to master the whole game including smurfing. You can't get out of 1k with 3K skills. You need 6K skills to get out of 1K. So when you give someone this advice, try to be more realistic, its not just pushing lanes or solo kills. its about fighting the whole system. the patterns. people management. developing likability. How to get crazy people to be chill with you. How to assess and respond to weaknesses and strengths. How to game the 50/50 system, how to protect your behavior score. All these elements is what makes a difference. The actual game of Dota and farming patterns is the easiest part.
I agree with the haters on this one. The pro players who make videos say that if you are a sub 2k player, no one will buy wards or dust. I am sub 2k the skill level has increased quite a bit. Doesn't mean BSJ is bad. But he hasn't played in this bracket for quite a while. Maybe he smurfs in his stream but that's not fair judgement. Because when someone is losing hard, they don't perform to their best.
18:34 you can make those late pulls as the creeps walk very far and if you just walked into the trees to meet the upper part of creep wave it aggros 100% of the time. They will see the neutral creeps hit u while in the trees.
Meanwhile in other universe (turbo): *timer:5:30 "Lets gank sven" . . . "Yo wtf. Why does he have satanic and sny in 5 min" Scoreboard: 11/0/5. Jk that never happened
What about offlaners that can't kill enemy players as efficiently as Mars? Like Tidehunter, Centaur, probably Doom? Do you build offensive items on them like deso/whatever? I feel like the enemy will know you can't kill them and will not leave the lane as easily.
Not sure what MMR this is, but in my games there's a 40% chance that the hc and mid would both be saying "gg lost draft" the moment Luna was picked. They would both go about 3-12 and chat about how we never had a chance anyway.
I love how BSJ is literally the difference. Without him calmly going ape shit, I think they lose this game. They'd have less kills, the other cores wouldn't have died 6/7 times, towers wouldn't have been pushed, etc.
BSJ, please don't listen to all the ignorant comments that say "Wah wah you are smurfing so you must be a bad person, you are ruining games and killing Dota" because for me, this is great content and I really appreciate you taking your time to make this. More power!
I tried what you told, i played sd and pushed both lanes and it really dragged the game. But my bara was just runnin into horde of enemies on cooldown and carry keep dying from morfling shotgun, despite i plased good wards that couldn't be easy dewarded, i saw morf on map and avoided him. We lost but pushing really works.
funny thing is he absolutely could have lost this game. he was outleveled by void at the 6 minuate mark 4-5. thankfully his other lanes were winning but if it was 0 -7 in kill score for the other team he very well could have lost. add in a potential smurf in the other team and its notlike this game was a slam dunk u wuld expect with a 9k offlaner playing against a 2k void
1 playing frontlaner hero. 2 constantly miss the big teamfights 3 tp to take safe farm leaving jugg alone 4 as a result jugger have to perform frontlaner role while mars stealing carry role and jugg dies 4 times Conclusion = we won even though jugg fed.
NA player here, yea these are things you really dont ever learn playing in NA pubs lol, something like this should be a thing in the NA servers. Few people take advantage of moving heroes around the map like this. Learning quite a bit from you and EU scene
I keep on doing this kind of gameplay (pull creep, creep aggro, stack, roam and gank) but my teammates would say not to do it because they are 3k-4k mmr players. dafaq idiot mindset
Sbj thanks to You i started to play so different Dota2. More clarified than ever. I have a question what is your controls for camera in game that you have so much control over minimap. Please can you tell ?
BSJ girl rubbing his head and comforting him while playing and sort of coaching him and my brother the moment he sees me playing dota charges towards me and trying to grab my balls and stretch it for 30cm now i know why he is 9k and im 4k i really didn't notice her coming i just heard a girl said spear him and i thought its a player voice chat
Techies is nice, hard af to gank and a great waveclear and push. also a failsafe with Remote Mines, they kill yuo and push the lane back -> they die. sadly not as much of a help in teamfights as a BB^^"
BSJ: Pushing out lanes is most important in shit tiers. Me, a 500 games Luna spamming nerd with 67% winrate, simply pushing out lanes with Manta all game: lol
OK, you said you win the game unless your team is 4 man suiciding down a lane. Actually that is the video I would need atm, 90 % of my games are just like that for weeks now.
I should also start talking. Like he did in this video. So that I stop being a dumb fked right clicker player. By talking I will ask questions to myself 😄
19:09 BSJ: Oh there is a support here what is he doing, he warding or something? Me being the enemy support: Casually going to buy energy booster from the enemy secret shop coz im too noob to send the courier.
@bananaslamjamma at 29 minutes, is it really better to go shove out that top wave instead of securing the outpost first and then just cutting the top wave or farming a double wave closer to your tower?
can u play in 300-200 mmr i swear the games are so weird. that's not my mmr but i got to play on my friends account to help him out and there was such weird shit going on it was so fun
fake, luna didnt skill glaives and just constanly push ur wave and force you to 3v1 for last hits then ping ur items when u lose a team fight and flame your farm
Episode 1 (Offlane/3): ruclips.net/video/Fapljcd3L-k/видео.html
Episode 2 (Carry/1): ruclips.net/video/0Im2wRxXqSY/видео.html
Episode 3 (Hard Support/5 - Part 1): ruclips.net/video/-uFThCZ1D6M/видео.html
Episode 4 (Hard Support/5 - Part 2) ruclips.net/video/ng-OArDHZLM/видео.html
Due to the success of the series, we have decided to make this a weekly format. This is not escaping the trench, it's not going to be a grind for ego purposes. This will simply be applying 9k techniques in each of the respective positions to make people aware of the skills and techniques you can use in your own lower mmr games. This is strictly for educational purposes.
24:58 Ganking by Gf
Really enjoyed the vid! Learned a lot. It's a shame so many others cannot see the value of what you did in the video.
You should be doing more of this. I'm an offlaner and this really openned up my mind.
Absolute noobs Sven and void.. Void just yolos in and turns on mask of madness lile he has 47armor
ZZ zz
lol, I lost it when you said "my support is helping... emotionally"
I lost it when waifu joined and tried to help not only emotionally but also with advice. And the video title should be changed to 'How to apply 9k tactics while getting a hair massage' 24:59
@@rubbelkdiekatz spear!! When he had no mana. At least she knew the spell.
@@jvii9761 She knew that he could Staff / Spear to get the required mana. Even more evil waifu dota skill :D
BSJ on my team:
Me as shaman:
My prayers are answered!
bro you are the shaman? xD
It is the free mmr day.
5:25
Are you sure?
@@EliteGamerpk one funniest in game names I've seen in a while 😂
Holy shit. I will need to watch this 5-6 times and write everything down.
Things I didnt understand:
14:30 - forcing FV timewalk before tower comes up?? What is it with the tower?
15:20 - he doesn't want to rotate = he doesn't care because of the hero Mars, or because he is 9k and doesn't want to invest his time into 2k pleb?
4 fundamentals to always think about
1) You need to be able to *clear waves* quickly (→ battlefury AM)
2) You gotta be *survivable* (can 1v1) (→ manta AM)
3) You need *killing* item (→ basher/abyssal AM) → force enemy rotations/get free objectives (towers, roshan)
4) You need *highground* items (assault cuirass, satanic, ..)
*BSJ is being funny*
Laning
- he has nearly perfect LHs (he doesn't miss randomly = he played the hero so many times he is used to its attack animations)
- he uses his spells either to deny voids creeps or to secure last hit + harrass the enemy
- the goal is to get enemy safelane T1 ASAP => lane sustain items → boot the enemy out of lane → get the tower (vlads - good sustain + ↑ATK of jugg in mid to late)
- quick hint - buy faerie fire (or idk how is it spelled) against Witch Doctor to sustain maledict damage (you can notice later in the game Immortal BSJ using neutral item Greater Faerie Fire to sustain the maledict because no one in our bracket gives a flying fuck about maledict after 15 minutes in the game)
- draws aggro frequently → secures ranged creep with W
- he wants the creeps to be under his tower under one of two conditions:
1) He doesn't have a ulti (below lvl 6)
2) He doesn't have the ulti (cd on Arena)
- you can cut the creep wave to "reset" the lane - take the wave near T1 and wave for your creep wave (void gets free wave under tower but after that he is gonna be contested far from tower)
- if you are pos 4, or pos 5 it is generally very good idea to let your core get solo XP (things you can do instead: block small camp so they cannot pull/help midlane by securing rune, by poking the other mid etc/go on enemy support and try to hunt him if you get him low/snipe their couriers)
-it is 5 minutes in the game → catapults spawn - catapults are mini-objectives to play around because they deal massive damage to enemy towers - when you are trying to push the lane with catapult you will have to deal with the enemy's catapult first → your creeps will be delayed (by killing cata) and therefore there is going to be double wave created → ↑pushing power
- If you don't kill enemy core it doesn't necesarily mean bad thing - they will either have to heal somehow which costs money (moneywise, it is cheaper to regen mana than to regen HP!!!)
- first item is to clear waves - Vlads - it gives you HP sustain (lifesteal from W of Mars gives you HP from every creep you hit with it) and mana sustain (2 mana per second aura)
- Void gets lvl 6 = big power spike in his ultimate but Void isn't really killer hero just yet therefore you need to watch for rotations (from my experience if you just KNOW that there is a thing called powerspike in Dota you can make your game very easily in 2k bracket, 99% of players don't care about that) (again, think of cats and mice)
- Mars has 90 sec cooldown which isn't that long, there are way worse cooldowns - don't be afraid to ever use your spells! (Magnuses, Enigmas, Voids, Lunas, .....)
- after being elusive towards void (pulling big camp) he runs back full HP, full mana to the lane and again starts to "loosen up" Voids HP → Void has about 50% HP→ Arena-spear = kill (kill is good, because 1) You can pressure the tower 2) You get money 3) Kill on Void means he can't farm while dead)
-BSJ didn't mention it, maybe because he has an internal clock and feel, but he went to lane and kill Void when catapults showed up after min 10 = pressure on the tower is huge
- he doesn't have ulti and FV does → cat and mouse = pulls again → didn't make it + there was enemy support = go away from the lane for a while and wait until it is under my tower
- BSJ decides to go on Sven - but why Sven??? - 1) Void is really behind and will struggle anyway 2) Sven can farm fast so killing him means you really lower his farming speed
- I would say that this is phase in which midgame starts
Midgame
- try to shut down farming carries (Void, Sven) because you are strong; how to be aggresive 101 = go in their jungle and use your shit, just like that
- returns to top, because CREEPS = GOLD = ITEMS = POWERSPIKES = KILLS which can be then converted to push
- another elusive move, because he doesn't have arena, but Void has Chrono - go behind their tower and cut the creep wave towards river → you can go mid, or stay → BSJ goes mid = he can pressure mid tower (higher map value than top) + he takes DD rune (POWERSPIKE) + he has Arena (POWERSPIKE)
- when you make move when you are powerful, you can dive - you should immediately retreat if you: 1) lose the powerspike (you have used the ultimate) 2) See more people TP in (Towers have aura that buff allied heroes around them therefore it is not good to fight them (not to mention dmg from towers))
- he retreats but already knows where he goes, because he wants to kill CREEPS = ge goes top → he can pressure Tower because no one is on lane + someone has used TP to mid, so at least one hero cannot TP in to save the T1
- he solo-kills support = he gets money, support will be dead = you can force 4v5 fight, because there are still more ultis in game
- goes back to top, to man-up to the Sven (Sven cannot kill him solo, because he doesn't have items)
- he is survivable to man-up 1v1 thanks to Vlads, therefore he goes for solo kill items = Blink, Deso
- notice that he ships a lot of clarities, because Mars has mana issues
- Again, Mars has ulti = you gotta aggresive and shut down farming enemies = BSJ goes straight into farming Sven → Sven thinks he can kill Mars, but Mars is naturally durable → BSJ kites Mars towards Jugg and they use 2v1 situation to kill Sven (again, it is NOT NEEEDED to KILL sven but to make him feel UNCOMFORTABLE on HIS part of MAP)
- notice that he watches items on other heroes (enemy and allied) (I have good experience with this. I have played a good amount of Legion Commander. Many players think that Linkens Sphere is the counter against Duel but when I learnt to always check enemy items I noticed them building linkens → I will go for Linkens-cancelling items. Ez game, when you spent 2k on Force Staff vs Core who spends 5.5k on bullshit item)
- pushes out wave towards enemy bot T2 → TPs away to top = kills CREEPS, pushes wave → goes jungle (farms hard)
- it is around 20 minutes in game, enemy casters have usually high level so they can kill you = you might need to buy BKB, because of that
- BSJ is strong, because he has been farming a lot → wants to jump heroes around mid (his team is 2k-slow-paced therefore he got almost killed) → they take good teamfight, because having Deso on Mars feels actually pretty OP → they win TF → pushes and kills creeps
- you can go to base to regen any time of game (I struggle with that while laning because I usually ship out regen with courier and try to soak XP from the lane while having 20% HP) → try to kill some creep camps while on the way
*WIP, ended at **30:00**, ty for your support*
I'm rewatching a lot to digest the info all in, your analysis is really useful so keep up the hard work I'll be back to check later :)
Well abyssal blade is both a tank and damage item so yes it would be good.
Just be 7000 mmr higher than any other in your game and its easy. But its hard when there is casual party of 3ees that are ancient - divine smurfs smurffing against u and u are NOT 7k above but mby 500 above
Thank you Cap
Great analysis brother
Most informative smurf match I've ever seen. I think it really makes a difference that you're genuinely teaching best practices and respecting the potential of your opponents rather than doing what most smurfs do and letting the power go to their head and playing like a maniac to prove they can.
not to take away from bsj cuz this is really good content i'm grateful for, but henry did a whole series like this twice in a row where he explained his thought process in excruciating detail.. i'll admit henry does tend to get a bit full of himself at times and his peak mmr isn't as high as bsj, but the hate he gets is disproportionate to those flaws.
@@prettymaladies its just the man is quite arrogant. Even top tier players such as ceb and w33 gets hate when they play arrogantly. What more henry that not only play arrogantly but also talk shit the most. The hate he gets is mostly about his attitude and if he continue on his attitude that i have seen a lot such as that puck game where he mentions "i deserve higher mmr and those here in my bracket are shit" where he is stuck at 500ish immortal and cant rise while pro player smurf accounts can reach top 100 fast is a good telling of his own skills. Even the fucking toxic E.E is in the upper ranks of dota despite his shity attitude because his skills suite his bracket. Henry does not have the excuse to shit on his teamates if he cant rise on his own.
@@prettymaladies Henry is a 4k constantly buying accounts and raging at his team-mates, why would you listen to him?
@@BzrLee this is a factually incorrect statement man. he does buy accounts but it's not that often, and for specific reasons. I been watching him for a long time and I've noticed he buys accounts. but I also noticed him grind straight up to 7k from 6k in a month when all his smurfs got banned, and his twitch got shut down, and he had personal issues. he is narcissistic as fuck and I get that can be off putting but these false statements are just a bandwagon that people love to jump on against him for some reason. if its just his personality flaws then just don't subscribe or watch his stuff, there's no need to spread lies about him - what u said is just a regurgitated statement that has been around ever since he started gaining traction online. I literally used to not watch his stream half the time because of his toxic tendencies but spreading lies about him does me zero good and I'm not here to hurt his reputation just cuz it's in fashion to do so within certain spheres of the dota community
@@BzrLee hey clown, he climbed, did you climb out of your bed today or did you die?
Now this Archon player is going to be convinced that Luna support is a good idea.
Hahaha
70% WR on Luna 4, but that was before the aura rework which granted +damage and +armor
its still good but luna didnt pull or harass at important times.
@@blackstreak02 yea, same , had 70% wr on it ,febby still plays it from time to time but its much worse now :(
It's not that bad if you understand what you should do as a support and utilizing what you've got on the hero. The best 4 heroes would look so bad if you play like that guy.
My biggest problem with playing in the trench is that a lot of things in dota don't pay off immediately, and when I know I'm not great, and the games are inconsistent, it makes it hard to realize in the moment whether what I'm doing is wrong or right. Even worse when you have a team goading you to do something else. Just makes it hard to learn/internalize new concepts. I definitely like this video, gives me more confidence in just doing what seems correct regardless of whatever else is going on. My worst enemy in any match is definitely myself.
I've found this to be one of the most difficult challenges when trying to improve. As a game with high variance, having the confidence to do what it's "right" can be difficult. If you are playing GREAT (compared to your rank) you'll still lose 4 out of 10 games, but you'll steadily climb. Keep doing what it's right!
Yeah I pinged 10 times my ult is down as a carry. When my team is constantly trying to take the enemy tower with 5 heroes defending it.
My worst enemy in most cases is my own team.
Thats why you should look at your progress per week or month not perday, if you get more mmr that mean you do something right, that just it, my firstt calibration is 1.3 and im 3.8 at max, i notice something yes you mrr is going up and down, but once youre play style is according to some bracket, even if you loose tons of mmr you'll get to where you belong easily, thats just how dota work, and if you are somehow get really lucky and grind tons of mmr without having the capability to be in there, you'll loose tons of game sooner or later
Just mute the toxics man particularly if you’re not in the mood. Sometimes I insta mute if they talk some dumb shit in chat about picks e.t.c
I felt really exposed while you were watching straight into my soul in the intro
BSJ is making those stupid mistakes so the game doesn't mistake him for a smurf. Smart.
I liked that he missed lots of spells. Reassured me it's not about being perfect mechanically - ok to miss so long as you're doing the right things strategically
@@rykom1ke665 yeah video like this restores hope n humaity. I aalmost gave up when my hand soo slow to take off stat item to regen or global agroo or etc
He missed his spells not for a reason. Why you guys like this video so much?! Do you think the Dire feels the same? Report all smurfs. If you lose lots of games on your bracket this is not a excuse to ruin legends!
This video felt like a "Bob Ross Plays Dota" kind of video, super chill
Kinda does and just like Bob Ross he makes it look easy...
I’m going to pin him here... against a happily little tree
@@Crimson83blah😂 genius
When bsj screwed up his spells mechanically "just tryna scare him away" 😂😂😂😂
zoning them out.
He said that he if he fucks up at least he doesn't want the enemy to just free farm.
It proves that even a 9k player is not mechanically God. It's the decisions what sets them apart. Use brain more know why you're doing every single thing and know that even if you miss it still makes a better outcome than not doing it.
Dude that zoning BkB was SIIICK
the amazing thing about BSJ is that every game i watch him play mars (a hero he plays a lot) he fucks up like 3 kills with bad spears (even against 2ks rofl) and he is still 9k, proof that you dont need to be a god mechanically as long as youre using your brain
I mean a lot of support player is not that mechanical, because support hero is not mechanical at all (well maybe visage, the rest are simpler), for a support positioning is far more important, how to get some gold, how to use gold as efficient because of how little you got
yes and bad players can only spot technical mistakes ,which sometimes make no différence
i mean mechanical
Buuurn!
It's probably the easiest ability in the game to dodge.
This is literally the best guide for beginners, his teammates were decent, and thats being generous.... BSJ please do more of this in every position
I'm pretty sure one match of ranked smurfing is enough
He's already getting wayy too much backlash from people for just this one game so it's better to learn what we can from this game and then apply his higher MMR fundamentals in our matches because as he said - the same fundementals work in our MMR too
I was like when did his gf pop up..?? 😂 Had no idea until I heard a female voice😋was so immersed in his coaching . Thanks BSJ ..loved it 👍👍💯
same bruh, i had to rewind just to try and see when did she show up XD
@@Gabriel73971 and she was calling the shots, then rubbed his head. what a girl. good for him!
Would love one of these from support perspective!
Yup!
I can make one for you when I get a pc recorder in 2 months
@@KidTrigger Cant use inbuilt xbox screen recorder?
@@sriharshab6516 no my graphics card is very weak for recording on my pc
@@KidTrigger you know you can record with cpu? Or use NVENC if you have an Nvidia card that's not 7 years old
That Luna is that guy in your group who says "Good job guys, we did it" when he hasn't contributed to the group project.
Just a joke, he is prob learning, we all do
The one thing he did was harass alot.
I've seen way worse sup position 4.
@@dudeistpreist5721 The so called harass is useless... Lucent beam is not a harassing spell... And he is moreover useless... Coz he soaked the XP... If void was a good player... They would have killed mars, during the XP gap, with help of witch doctor...
@@sakthlaunda2323 harass wasn't useless the witch doctor bought wand instead of regen and then the void couldnt even start to think about trading with the mars
if both sides are equally good the lane can go either way, it entirely depends on fuck ups, blocking camps and pulling waves
Well, i usually don't post commentary but after reading the other comment, i feel like i have to :
Thanks a lot BSJ for this video ! It's really helpfull. I'm trying so hard to understand and apply your advices, but it's way better with this game as an example ! :)
So, even if indeed this video is a "Smurfing game", thank you for making it ! It will be a good tool to analyse.
Maybe the best stream I have ever seen. Explained almost every single move he made. So informative and helpful
I tried ur juggrnaut guide it work well for me.I am at 10 streak on jug.
is this game really counted??
i mean they won all lanes.....mid sven?? it would be better if this was an even match at least xD
I see a lot of comments like " In my game X happened and that wouldn't work in my game" I think the point Is that choosing a lane pushing hero, farming well, and constantly re-evaluating the situation leads to wins. Not ever game Is winnable, but I'm confident out of 100 games bsj would probably win 85 in this bracket.
I know smurfing is bad, but please do more of these!
Remember guys, with a hero like Mars who has mana issues, you always gotta be topped up 33:40 👍 But seriously, thanks for knowledge. BSJ and his crew are doing god's work (smurfing lol). Keep up the good job!
As a 2k support I can confirm that we're all emotionally invested.
Hey, great video. Lots to learn. It would also be really helpful if you could mention a few tips from the enemy’s prospective too, like what should they be doing in response to you. Grow example if you’re pulling the lane and you’re solo, because you’re pos 4 is not there, what should the safe lane do. Or if you’re cutting the waves or sth.
Would be really helpful to know and learn.
Keep it up!!
lol BSJ. We need more of this. please please please please pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
This is very enlightening BSJ. I also appreciate that you even mechanically played like a 2k for us (missing abilities and shit all the time lol jkjkjk) but really good video I appreciate it.
Alternative title: BSJ (totally not) flexing on 2K scrubs.
That luna is my dream support at 2k compared to the average one who is standing in creep wave randomly attacking creeps and fking up agro. doesn't take away from bsjs points
Excellent performance mr banana. Once again you show that people are archons cuz they deserve to be archons. Once you get rid of that mentality, you’ll start to gain mmr.
You say that. Personally i totally know i play like an archon and i dont mind it. Sure i'd love to climb, but at the same time i just play for fun.
@@DJTimeLock that’s the first step. You got it right. But if u don’t want to go more in depth that’s totally fine.
Dude, this video is brilliant. I love how dry and subtly pissed off he is.
I got called a smurf on my 1.7k game because I followed the concepts you've been emphasizing BSJ. Don't care whatever your team is doing, just push waves. And I was also a Mars on that game. Thank you very much.
You should make this a video series where you would play low MMR bracket once a week or something.
I feel like many of your viewers have low mmr and it would benefit us a lot to see these commented games.
Not only cores though, rotate positions for every video, should be awesome.
great information, would like to see more content like this
As a 2k witch doctor spammer, the enemy WD performance burns my eyes. He pulled, and thats nice, and he casts his spells, nice too. Even was aware his void could survive 1v1 against a mars, so being absent from lane a lot was okay so void could get a level advantage.
But at no point did he take advantage of being a 600 range character and simply right click the enemy. BSJ was allowed to control the lane because WD simply wasnt landing free right clicks. BSJ even demonstrates all the times he can land free right clicks, and wins the lane because of it.
Please, if you're a pos5, watch this and see what the off laner is allowed to do when you dont right click them.
Same observation as well. Which was the reason BSJ never tries to get 3rd skill even once in laning phase.
If u are a 2k u have no rights to criticize another 2k, you probably make just as many mistakes.
@@johnklaus9111 i am talking about before BSJ was even level 5. WD has really good base damage at even level 1. He could have forced a mars out of lane at level 1-4. BSJ had such a comfy lane because he was basically 1v1 against a faceless void.
Mind you, the luna was also useless, so void also was able to do lots of farming too.
@@quad_buck5286 quite the opposite. The entire point of this video is that bsj's followers tell him he does not have valid advice for low mmr players because he doesn't play in low mmr.
Since I do play in 2k, I do get to comment on improper play in the 2k bracket, and so can bsj because we have a video now showing it. I am only 2k because I dont play much. Reaching a higher rank is nothing more than slowly grinding out games.
@@sleipnir2034 If u are truly better then the bracket u are in you would get out of there in no time, i literally reached immortal 3 months ago by playing once every 2-3 days with a 70%+ winrate
1. Queuing for all roles...whatever matchmaking selects for me.
2. Queuing for specific role (the one that i enjoy and think i am good at)
Does either of above statement matter for increasing chances of good match ups...?
Nice game..... so what do u do when the other 2 lanes fed so hard the enemy is at your tier 3 at 25 min ????? cuz thats what 70% of my games is like
The things is if you win your lane. Even the threat of walking into another lane as a act of dominance to turn the lane around will help them even if you dont execute the gank and just end up tping back.
Makes sense but to be a true 2k tutorial game while keeping only to creep clearing as the main factor, one has to (1) have poor mechanics in lane, (2) make poor team fight choices, and (3) not jungle between creep clearing (as most 2k players won't be using consumables to keep their mana up). Otherwise, it's hard to convincingly say it was the creep clearing that did it or all the other higher mmr techniques.
He is not teaching us to win 2k games by playing like a 2k player though.
@@bamboookizeme6208 I'm critiquing based on the emphasized 2 tips BSJ gave at the beginning of the video to solo carry the game. (1) Clear waves and (2) get items that allow you to do that (farming item->survivability item->killing item -> high ground item). What I am getting from that advice is that if you play like a 2k player but do those two things, you will win the game. Otherwise the advice is play like a 8k player to win 2k games. Not too helpful imo. (Also need this weekend to come quicker...)
good video bsj, I still always feel critical with this kind of smurfing in a low elo thing.
The video is really informative and I think most people get your point and it does seem all logical and easy.
On the other side you are still a mechanical superior player to them all, so naturally you will activate bkb and dodge some spells when other poeple actually wouldnt.
Last fight mid t3, you pinned mars so quick I had to rewatch the scene, and dodged the chrono kind of. Before sven could bkb. ofc the whole video worked towards this point of going Highground and thus you should be probably ahead and still win the fight, but not everyone has that quick movement and dicision making.
He literally missed spears all the time, mechanical slills are good but ddidnt contribute much this game... The reason he had so strong impact is because every single decision he made he did for a conscious reason. Low rank players tend to just walk around and do things mecanicaly in game, not understanding WHY they are doing it. And offcourse he is better at quick movement and decision making, he is a 9k player, which is why he is doing this videos, to explain to everyone the reasons behind every action.
was thinking about doing a series like this. called *inside the mind of a smurf* or how to solo-carry. hope to enjoy to video! 3 mins in
more like "how to spot the smurfs in 2k who are actually keeping you down, not your idiot teammates"
This proves that you don't need mechanically a god to be good at playing DotA it's the decision. Look how many spears bsj missed but still absolutely owning the game. I'm a hundred percent sure a mars player who always land his spear and shit but has archon level decision making will lose so miserably to bsj anytime.
True, but he is great mechanically too. Look at the way he ult combo-ed. His placements were precise, item switching was ultra fast. Camera positioning and switching. It's just something I noticed, ofcourse you can still be a good dota player without it.
@@samarthkapuria yeah he's good. His spear attempt target and the target behind it always makes sense. The spell combo is really good too. He played alot of mars I think. Not perfect tho. But, to be fair even lukiluki who spam pango also missed alot of his spell. It's just really hard for that kind of spell to land perfectly everytime.
@@samarthkapuria lmao btw yeah it doesn't mean you can have no mechanic skill at all and expect being good imagine if bsj has 0% spear accuracy. He wouldn't be able to make a play even if he has the best knowledge of DotA in the world.
@@canesvenatici9588 ofcourse ofcourse. I was just saying that I noticed his mechanical prowess too as a side note
but what if luna went full carry mode here. that happens often in this bracket where you have a wk going midas radiance or something like that from the offlane and a carry in the safelane, and there's so much pressure on me as a midlaner to make things happen which isn't always possible
he kinda showed u what todo when that happens, u just push a lane on other side of the map and make good decisions. also, let me ask you this: who will win, a mind that is filled with information about the mistakes of its teammates or a mind that is filled with decisions of where to go and what to do?
as midlaner is way easier to carry a game, u get solo exp and u get the highest level in your team on the early minutes of the game, youre suposed to win mid then at least try to get some map control from the enemy so your team can have more space to farm (including you) my smrf that i rarely play i used to practice as mid then just outfarm enemys midlaner without jungling, the first 10-12 mins are quite enough for you to make a huge difference with a big and useful item (am offlaner currently tho)
@@Antido0 i tend to have issues with hereos like sf who aren't very survivable and dont have an escape mechanism. you can run around with heros like ember and make space but what happens if you're playing farming mids like ta or sf and you get cheesed like jakiro or pugna or batrider mid. then suddenly the map just gets closed in on you and since ta and sf need to be ahead to be very useful, the game becomes very difficult
:(
also sometimes i don't win mid as hard as i should but that's not supposed to result in a loss, you know? like, why do i have to play literally perfect every game, why do i not have room for error?
shit happens on some games too dont worry too much about it
i wasnt a bad or good midlaner i was just average or below and usually id win my lane by just getting more lh/denies can try to work on it
the thing that i can tell is that if you want to play ta/sf need to try to master them in terms of farm patterns, these two rely on outfarming enemy and if you dont the game becomes hard
i always tried to avoid these two heros on the midlane
@@prettymaladies some games are just almost únwinnable..unless u use the perfect pick and ur waaaay better than ur rank... u dont need to achieve a 100% winrate to rank up.. even boosters only have 80-90% winrate.. everyone loses a game or two sometimes because of the teammates.. :P
its just.. when you are stuck in ur rank for a long while , then its probably you
Its not ez to climb solo rank when you have team that's throws for no reason .like literally no reason.
“Just keep pushing the wave” BSJ giving me serious Bob Ross vibes
I would love to see this for a few different types of heros... Carrys, supports etc
I think is in the low MMR bracket the problem is the Last hitting because they are not that good that last hitting because of the last hitting ever with your points, they can't win the game that easily if you the player are not that good at last hitting they cant get the item at times they cant be the part of the team fight surviving making the right call at the right time.
exactly.... on low mmr bracked are lot of smurfs, around 1k mmr. during the first creep weave i know, who is smurt, and who not, they are secured last hits, lot of deny, they know when trade, and when play safe, in mid game, they are showing, on 2 fights average, ofcorse just destroy the opponents. Wards for them is not obstacle because smoke.
May be the best video you've ever created! Incredible!
This is so good. On the second viewing now to really absorb it. I will get to 1000MMR by christmas!
Caution: Too much RUclips videos will ruin your game!
I tried same things still died 6 time in laning phase😥😥
You should have tried this playing as support, you’ll understand the low mmr games more
Zzzzzzz Henry Dota (or Rawdota. Don't really know where. Just go look in both) has a whole series playing support smurfs and he easily wins games in low MMR games as well, and he's a lower tier immortal player than BSJ (sorry Henry
@@GlassOnion23 so to enter a mind of 2k means to just play core in 2k and carry games? Why don’t you just let him try the other roles in low mmr games? I did not even said for him to win games a support, I said he will understand the low mmr games more, isn’t that better for him?
@@oliversantiago6348 Because, I imagine, to a 9k player, it's all the same shit when you're dealing with a bracket where you're over 3 times higher in MMR. It doesn't really matter what position someone like BSJ plays, or what dumb stuff his teammates do in a shit tier MMR like 2k. He'll be able to carry almost all his games because his macro understanding and decision making, are far superior. But like I said earlier, if you want to see an immortal player stomp on 2-4ks as a support, you can watch rawdota's "Escaping the Trench" playlists. I'll link them to you here.
ruclips.net/user/rawdotaplaylists
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Although it seems hardly fair that you get to play and have a free head massage - that must add 2k MMR?
Thanks man. Just improved with mars by watching this. 2 wins in a row and 1x MVP
pls make more content like this..i am from india..there are many people in this country need to know this concept...pld make on guardian too pls ...wesome vid
I like how besides doing the right thing, the execution was more often than not on point with low mmr bracket xd
This makes the video more valuable than doing everything perfectly in a non replicable way
This is akward, not even a single teamplay by mars
WD n void can win the lane so easily, wd won't even harass the mars
2k players in NA are so noob in sea although toxic they atleast know how to win the lane
Love this content!
It doesnt matter what rating you're playing either be it 1-4k or 5-8k. As higher mmr you get the better players you'll meet and if you dont improve yourself you'll fall mmr. Don't expect people in 2k will have the reactions in 4-5k and higher. If you're enough good you'll climb over time. This is like: I havent played football, but if i go and play with some kids or teens i will be better than. And you ask why? Think about it? I will have better physics than then, i will be faster, my decisions will be better, i can outplay and so on. Don't expect when a pro players or high mmr player 7k+ when he got into 2-4k he won't own the games. Its simply because his understanding of the game is better than yours. His item timings are the same (same with the physics in football), he'll do faster some things you don't (like i'm faster than them) and so on. People in lower bracket punish less mistakes and come backs can happen all the time. Its up to you what you want to improve. Your mmr or how you play? You can always get a booster and get you out of your rank, but if you're not skilled enough you'll lose and become toxic again towards your mates. Remember not every game you will have that perfect farm or perfect support. You'll need to find the farm and the decision making yourself. And BSJ didn't flamed when hes mate picked luna as 4 like most of you would.
25:35 Getting a neck-massage by your gf doubles your mmr instantly
BSJ thank you man! You gave me the answer. The missing part of the puzzle. I wasn't building the highground items nearly as much as I need. Conceptwise it was clear to me. Split pushing taking the objectives etc. Just that last part of closing out the game had escaped my reach and it lost me so many games...Do you have any quick tips on how to close out a game with a composition that does not have a lot of natural sieging / pushing mechanisms against a defensive comp that just won't get out of the base without buyback?
Split the lanes. Top and mid or bot and mid. Push it into the high ground. Make the enemy split up their forces. Top and bottom is risky unless you have like NP or other really mobile heros like AM or QoP etc.
And then back up to the jungle. Hit creeps wait for another wave to come. Clear it. Maybe team steps out of base cause they don't see you showing. And then you strike.
You could also smoke in view of the enemy and have 1 person not in smoke with boots of travel and survivability, show in top. And then you guys wait and til you get some information. And if its clear and no backdoor protection up. Go hit the tower a couple times and back up.
Generally, what im saying is, don't just say "highground!" And then go all or nothing on it.
Unless you against treant, towers have 0 regen. So any right clicks on them, is good. Hitting a tower 2 times and backing up is fine.
Meteor hammer is another good item especially on invis hero. If you sentry out of tower range to make sure your not visible. You can channel it on the towers and slow seige it nicely. Once the tower is dead. Work on ranged racks slowly as it doesnt regen. Once you get all 3 towers and all 3 ranged racks. If you still don't feel strong enough to full on fight in their base, you need to just keep trying to figure out which heroes are preventing you from doing it specifically. And if you can get them to be on same area, that's when you send it in.
Dispell items like lotus orb help alot. Because you can lotus and run up hit a couple times and then back before it expires. Keeping you from being targeted by their spells.
Slowly but surely seige it down.
If none of this can work for you. Then just don't let them leave base, take all the farm on their side of map. And just get everyone moonshards and 6 slotted and buyback. And then just full send a single objective. And get out or completely die and buyback if needed. Then repeat that process everytime everyone had buyback up. Eventually you will take down the tower.
Rapier is another solution, turns anyone into a tower hitter. Get a rapier and an aegis on the most survivable hero on team and play smart.
@@wscheets1600 Good stuff. Probably the rapier is the best solution. I am specifically refering to these nasty situations where they clear your waves before you can even step up to the tower. Really annoying. Your tips are most welcome anyway.
2K NA players are better than 2K SEA players. But at highesr levels 7k/8k the SEA players are better (ones living in big citiies)
2K SEA players here are usually those with bad internet or bad electricity (third world small town life) so they cant play well even if they wanted to.(120-200ms pings)
Who is dat lady tho bsj You are a ladies man i see
I rarely comment on videos, and since Mars is one of my favourite heroes with 90% win rate, I decided to comment on this one. I completely agree with you talking all the game, especially in the beginning of the video about scenarios when (not) to pick him. I have no clue why 140 people disliked this video... Or anytime you get a dislike. They are nuts. Maybe when you popped bkb right when you got it but shit happens and we all did that :))) Like I wanna tell my team, so I ping the item and suddenly whoops :)) But seriously, all the coaching, education, smurfing or playing with Arturo or Sumail, Qojqva series, literally anything with you Brian, top Dota content on RUclips hands down.
24:55 He started winning when his brain got a massage :3
BSJ is gracious enough to pop a bad BKB since he's cosplaying 2k mmr. It's for us
The best advice that I can give whoever read this comment is DotA 2 isn't just about fighting and winning. It's a game of constantly asking yourself. If you ask yourself more than your enemies do, you'll win a game of DotA 2 for sure. Since the hero drafting phase to the end of the game, you need to constantly ask yourself "can I kill him with these skills? Do I need my teammate to help me? Should I pull NC? I am too safe farming here, is it bad? Where are the enemy heroes? What should I build to counter him? Should I push the lane? Should I jump in to start the fight? What are the enemy heroes doing? Do they smoke up to gank someone? Should we get Rosh? Should I go bkb bcuz I already got Manta? Do I need survivability items or snow balling items? Can I survive with these items or delay the fight long enough till my mates arrive?"
If you ask yourself more, you'll get more answers on how to play your game. The problem with low rank players is they don't play dota, they play street fighter. No plan, no strategy, no nothing. That's why even their fight is messed up. The best teacher is your mistake, I always look at my replay of the bad match I had and see why I died the way I'm not even supposed to, and see what bad decision I made and change the gameplay.
Nice try. Youre not the first to claim you could tame the chaos of lower rank matchmaking. Its a load of garbage because first of all you're doing isolated tests while most people who are complaining have hundreds of games "loaded" into their matchmaking. So if you wanted to prove it, you'd have go to the lowest ranks and actually climb up as an average of hundreds of games, not just have a perfect scenario on a perfect smurf. The people complaining don't have a perfect behavior score, they have pre-determined wins and losses with an enemy rival and a mix and match of bad to really bad players (who got the worst feeder loses by feeding the other rival who's supposed to be your equal) and people have mixed skill with a much higher dynamic variety as opposed to middle tier consistency. The weirdest thing is you find really good players at low ranks who might be there because they are some how off but still have the skill of a smurf, and you might have a really bad player on your team that feeds them and they snowball. So yeah, good luck "pushing lanes." And it doesn't take them walking down mid as 4 to throw. All it takes is one play at the end where they throw because the better you do the more weird your teammates get. Youre being pushed to 50/50 win rate so the better you do the better your rivals are and the worse your teammates get to push you back to 50/50. But I guess you haven't thought of all that. Pro tip: pro games are easier than smurfing because everyone is stable and predictable. Also the only way to escape the trench is to master the whole game including smurfing. You can't get out of 1k with 3K skills. You need 6K skills to get out of 1K. So when you give someone this advice, try to be more realistic, its not just pushing lanes or solo kills. its about fighting the whole system. the patterns. people management. developing likability. How to get crazy people to be chill with you. How to assess and respond to weaknesses and strengths. How to game the 50/50 system, how to protect your behavior score. All these elements is what makes a difference. The actual game of Dota and farming patterns is the easiest part.
What a masterclass by BSJ just elegant gameplay !!!
Missing abilities on purpose so the game doesn't mark you as a smurf. Well played, sir!
I agree with the haters on this one. The pro players who make videos say that if you are a sub 2k player, no one will buy wards or dust. I am sub 2k the skill level has increased quite a bit. Doesn't mean BSJ is bad. But he hasn't played in this bracket for quite a while. Maybe he smurfs in his stream but that's not fair judgement. Because when someone is losing hard, they don't perform to their best.
18:34 you can make those late pulls as the creeps walk very far and if you just walked into the trees to meet the upper part of creep wave it aggros 100% of the time. They will see the neutral creeps hit u while in the trees.
Meanwhile in other universe (turbo):
*timer:5:30
"Lets gank sven"
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"Yo wtf. Why does he have satanic and sny in 5 min"
Scoreboard: 11/0/5.
Jk that never happened
What about offlaners that can't kill enemy players as efficiently as Mars? Like Tidehunter, Centaur, probably Doom? Do you build offensive items on them like deso/whatever?
I feel like the enemy will know you can't kill them and will not leave the lane as easily.
Not sure what MMR this is, but in my games there's a 40% chance that the hc and mid would both be saying "gg lost draft" the moment Luna was picked. They would both go about 3-12 and chat about how we never had a chance anyway.
I love how BSJ is literally the difference. Without him calmly going ape shit, I think they lose this game. They'd have less kills, the other cores wouldn't have died 6/7 times, towers wouldn't have been pushed, etc.
BSJ, please don't listen to all the ignorant comments that say "Wah wah you are smurfing so you must be a bad person, you are ruining games and killing Dota" because for me, this is great content and I really appreciate you taking your time to make this. More power!
I tried what you told, i played sd and pushed both lanes and it really dragged the game. But my bara was just runnin into horde of enemies on cooldown and carry keep dying from morfling shotgun, despite i plased good wards that couldn't be easy dewarded, i saw morf on map and avoided him.
We lost but pushing really works.
funny thing is he absolutely could have lost this game. he was outleveled by void at the 6 minuate mark 4-5. thankfully his other lanes were winning but if it was 0 -7 in kill score for the other team he very well could have lost. add in a potential smurf in the other team and its notlike this game was a slam dunk u wuld expect with a 9k offlaner playing against a 2k void
1 playing frontlaner hero.
2 constantly miss the big teamfights
3 tp to take safe farm leaving jugg alone
4 as a result jugger have to perform frontlaner role while mars stealing carry role and jugg dies 4 times
Conclusion = we won even though jugg fed.
NA player here, yea these are things you really dont ever learn playing in NA pubs lol, something like this should be a thing in the NA servers. Few people take advantage of moving heroes around the map like this. Learning quite a bit from you and EU scene
I keep on doing this kind of gameplay (pull creep, creep aggro, stack, roam and gank) but my teammates would say not to do it because they are 3k-4k mmr players. dafaq idiot mindset
Sbj thanks to You i started to play so different Dota2. More clarified than ever. I have a question what is your controls for camera in game that you have so much control over minimap. Please can you tell ?
BSJ girl rubbing his head and comforting him while playing and sort of coaching him and my brother the moment he sees me playing dota charges towards me and trying to grab my balls and stretch it for 30cm now i know why he is 9k and im 4k i really didn't notice her coming i just heard a girl said spear him and i thought its a player voice chat
Don't worry, Luna will never watch this video. People like that don't want to get better.
But...your team didn't start 0-15 ...
Techies is nice, hard af to gank and a great waveclear and push. also a failsafe with Remote Mines, they kill yuo and push the lane back -> they die. sadly not as much of a help in teamfights as a BB^^"
Lets gooo!!! was waiting for this for a long time
BSJ: Pushing out lanes is most important in shit tiers. Me, a 500 games Luna spamming nerd with 67% winrate, simply pushing out lanes with Manta all game: lol
OK, you said you win the game unless your team is 4 man suiciding down a lane.
Actually that is the video I would need atm, 90 % of my games are just like that for weeks now.
I should also start talking. Like he did in this video. So that I stop being a dumb fked right clicker player. By talking I will ask questions to myself 😄
19:09 BSJ: Oh there is a support here what is he doing, he warding or something?
Me being the enemy support: Casually going to buy energy booster from the enemy secret shop coz im too noob to send the courier.
@bananaslamjamma at 29 minutes, is it really better to go shove out that top wave instead of securing the outpost first and then just cutting the top wave or farming a double wave closer to your tower?
Not a big fan of dota due to my suckage of it, watching you is really quite enjoyable. Thank you for the vids, keep em up mate!!!
I met someone in a Herald pub (I'm new) who denied that ranks had anything to do with skill. He had been playing for 20 years. And he's in herald.
clearly BSJ hates playing smurf. he is just so uninterested playing with them. i almost feel bad for BSJ.
Enjoyed this a lot BSJ. More of this easy to follow with live in game thought processes vs lower brackets opponents. Helps a ton. Thanks BSJ!!!
can u play in 300-200 mmr i swear the games are so weird. that's not my mmr but i got to play on my friends account to help him out and there was such weird shit going on it was so fun
stop staring into my 2k baby soul, so close to the camera in the intro
fake, luna didnt skill glaives and just constanly push ur wave and force you to 3v1 for last hits then ping ur items when u lose a team fight and flame your farm