@@sambauman69 stone walls are important to stop raiding since you need siege weapons to damage them they are essential for late game strategy especially if you are a fighting a highly mobile raiding faction like the Chinese or the Mongols
@@sambauman69 oh yes it is in AOE4 why? well because castles. or you said keeps. what so special. well trebuchetes. and not sure about aoe4 but in aoe2. this building is where the unique comes from. or "champian"
4:35 though it is suspicious, that shortly before IV releases, both II&III get civs with special mills, that in a way boost the gathering rate of farms around them, (even though the specifics are different in the case of II, giving you instead a part of the food, when you build the farm)
Number 7 was in AoE1 - even the theme of it being ruins you have to cap. Relic probably saw it as a prefect opportunity to bring it back since it's also the sort of victory condition they favor.
i have found that i like 3 better than 2 because I have a bit more options with the chosen empire. More buildings, more things I can find on the map, the card deck. I hope that will still be there.
Each civ is a bit more diverse than they were in Age of Empires 2. They do feel different. And with the landmark system you shape your civ a bit as you go up ages. But there is no card system. So people who liked that about Age of Empire 3 or Wargames (to mention an other game with cards) will be a bit disappointed that the game lacks that. I think each of the 3 games will have their fans. And I will play each of the game even going forward (Though I wish for a proper remaster of Age of Mythology and Rise of Legend to. I do not think one can even buy a digital copy of RoL :( )
aoe2 has much larger player base and targeting them is the most logical choice, aoe4 is a faster aoe2 with some good game mechanics from aoe3 and some improvements.
@@Cythil I bought age 3. I liked it. it had interesting parts. I havn't play any aoe game in a long time. I probably like AOE2 better. over all. its a more microing game. I like the stone and having to build mining camps etc. and training soilders one by one. which I like aoe3 also. multiple units at once. no drop of. it give you a bit more military control. stuff like that. I think the cards are a good feture. and the trading outposts. how you can upgrade to a train etc. and how you can chose 2 different "empires" etc.
I'm surprised batch training was not kept from AoE3. The faster pace of AoE3 seems more akin to modern design principles and this game bucks that trend.
Really liked that "list style" format of this video over the more "narrated" ones on this channel! Helpful things to keep in mind transitioning from AOE 3 to AOE 4. Good video!
So, AoE4 is basically AoE2 that got its late game issues sorted out What i don't like is that you made two points for turtle strategies in this video and i am certain that AoE4 is slower but it seems that it's going to have that much action...
@@graemes8187 i see you haven't built 30 or 40 trade carts from a well placed and defended market. You can get enough gold to keep up unit production. And the neutral markets in Aoe 4 makes it possible to never run out of gold in a 1v1
Först These mechanics in AoE 4 makes a slower game time compared to AoE 3. But I loved the wonder and sacred site cuz I think it's a very exciting and competitive victory conditions. Especially for the turtle strat. Unlike AoE 3, turtling players cannot win without destroying their opponent.
I'm not a fan of the slower paced AoE2 style. With all the successful modern RTS (starcraft, etc) fast pacing is key. Even with a wonder though you cannot pure turtle anymore because the enemy wiill just go for a sacred site victory - which is faster. They main problem with turtling as well is there is no late game gold income so if you use most of it on upgrades, you wont have many units to fight with. There are no factories or plantations AoE2 had trade carts and relics but they dont give you enough to sustain unit production.
The Land mark system also prevents cockroaching. Which makes me sad. But will probably make a lot of players happy. Once the enemy finds your big land mark buildings, and destroys them, you are out of the game. You won't be able to hide out in a corner of the map with One villager in a FFA match. And slowly rebuild your empire from a single lumber camp. If they take out the big easily Spotable buildings, you are out.
@@robertkeaney9905 It wont matter as much - even with the Asian civs in AoE3, they age up with landmarks, but if you destroy them it wont send you back in ages. It will certainly have a big impact on your eco/strategy but you could build up once again as long as you had villagers and a TC. Cock-roaching is really annoying though because it makes games drag on - which is never fun. This is after all, a game and games are meant to be fun.
@@graemes8187 Well, I mean, in a 1 v 1 situation I can see how Cock roaching is annoying. But in FFA games my greatest joy is surviving a massive early raid. To some how sneak off with at least a few villagers. And then slowly build my way back up from the shadows. To become a credible threat by the end of the game. In AoE IV you automatically lose if all your TC's are down and all of your Land marks are down. It doesn't matter if you have 20 vills and an archer range hiding at at edge of the map. Special Important buildings go down, and boom you lose. Which is good because it means you can't just have one dude hiding a single vil behind a cliff. But it also means you can't have incredible come backs in FFA games. Its a lot more Cut and Dry. Defend your land marks/TC's or you lose.
The lack of generalized military batch training is a bit heartbreaking. That is going to slow down the game significantly while also increasing the surface area of your base.
Hey man, recently found your channel and I can't give enough compliments. I was just wondering if there was a possibility you could apply some timestamps throughout a video like this? Helps viewers who might already know bits of info to jump to a point that is more applicable for them :)
As an AOE III player yeah this AOE IV is pretty much like AOE II in terms of mechanics but they did add some AOE III features as you have mentioned in the vid. Missing is the mass military unit training like in AOE III and this game requires you to make 5 or more barracks to make 5+ units unless you rely on the increased unit production speed tech from the civs tech tree. Only nitpick is the units in aoe iv still look slightly cartoony! 🤣
Just subbed. Been watching all your vids. You and Turin are my favs for this game so far. Your play style as far as controls, hotkeys, and grouping is what I am going for. Keep it up!!!
I know we havent seen everything yet but the Sacred Site was an interesting thing to figure out! Not to mention it looks like they've possibly done away with treasures on the map? My scout feels like a sheep herder rather than a treasure and enemy finder...I do enjoy the ability to win via 3 options rather than beefiest most advanced = win. It gives us slow, economically incompetent individuals a fighting chance lol.
I think Microsoft is trying to make a big push into competitive RTS, espically since Blizzard is starting to take support away from Starcraft2. They can't have matches that last hours if that's the case.
@@JJ-zr6fu Absolutely I agree, it took me an hour+ just to beat the AI enemies during the trial period. Naturally with more strategic enemies and alternatives ways of winning things would move significantly faster. I feel generally overall it is a huge step in the competitive direction and makes it more challenging.
@@gtone339 Right, my point was we arent seeing as many cross overs from III as we are from the previous games. Was more a general acknowledgement than anything else and something minor to most other players anyways.
The main difference betwenn relic and sacred site victory is that you cannot fortify 3 sites the way you can do to 1 monastery (that was already in your town). So, I really think that sacred site is more related to trade monopoly victory than to relic.
@@TrikeGarage There's a specific command for doing that. But also more generally I rather think SupCom has a level of automation that Age fans would dislike. And Starcraft fans for that matter. TA-based games have optimized automation and planning tools cos they're played at a very distant, strategic level. Fights are much closer in and smaller in AoE.
Pathing is horrible at the moment, if you attack an enemy army you better click on one of the many first roll of the soldiers, otherwise your troops just goes around and try’s to attack that single enemy solider in the middle. IMO AOE3 does a lot better at this, if your troop can’t reach the target they will immediately seek the closest enemy to them.
Home city cards should only for sending units, crates of food, gold, wood and stones but not for military and economic improvement researchs. All of those techs should be within buliding related to it. Like in Aoe 2.
aoe3 were overseas colonies, so shipments make sense, aoe4 and aoe2 are empires and shipments are non sensical in this context, and too many strategies means new players are less likely to stay for long time since it is a lot of work to learn all those.
@@ritwikreddy5670 why? It drastically improves the chances of weaker players winning through some unforeseen twist. It also makes one less dependent on perfect micro, which broadens the spectrum of players. I can come back to AoE3 without spending hours on training my buildorders.
@@0nni1998 yeah, but just leave aoe2 to be itself, it didnt need a remake. I find aoe4 just to be a shitter version of aoe3 as it isnt aoe2, but it isnt full on aoe3.
Not to really spoil anything but a mate of mine and I were playing the stress test last night and one thing I noticed straight off the bat was that you cannot use your TC garrison vills and spit them out the other side to cut down the villager seconds (even with a waypoint set) they simply just pop out of the nearest door on the TC...as far as what I have experimented with that is.
It think they tried hard to cut down on unintended game mechanics like that. I don't AoE2 was ever meant to have the type of micro you see or the quick wall. These are more game exploits that kind of ruin the game a little especially for players who are trying to play the game as intended.
Since you've played and casted Age of Empires 2, Age of Empires 3 and Age of Empires 4 quite a bit, is there a potential future where you'd do a lengthier video about this topic? Mainly because you have such a lot of experience in each. Would love to hear your thoughts on what's good, what's bad and what's different. I love AoE2 but haven't played AoE3 and I've barely touched AoE4. Does AoE3 still have a place or has AoE4 just replaced it?
the wonder victory mechanic was the same in AOE1. An expensive building that tells your opponents when its built and need to destroy within a time frame or you lose.
@@ritwikreddy5670 but all the games on aoe2 are played as "conquest" i.e. destroy enemy. "Standard" vicotryi.e. Wonder victory is only possible in lobby matches
Its going to be interesting see AoE 2 and 3 strategies merge together the annoying thing watching some Beta videos you see the players trying to play it like the game their used too.
I really like the mechanics and the similarities to AOE2 but the graphics really turn me off. AOE3 looks so beautiful. Why did they take such a huge step back? I can't be the only one feeling like that.
what, aoe3 had too much glow, too much artificial smoothening and was oversaturated and clumsy to play although it was good to look at. This might be okay to play in campaign mode, but a huge hindrance in competitive play. aoe2 had no glow, had hard edges everywhere and was too minimalistic and utilitarian. I find aoe4 to be the perfect balance with a slight glow, smooth edges without the artificial jitter, and much more resolving to play than aoe2 while also looking better than aoe3, and mainly much better shadows than aoe3.
You know that most footage comes from a "stress test" So focus was: can the servers handle the amount of players and not: hey here is our gamd, try it, because it will be like that on release
It's an art style choice not a "step back", there's a difference, plus a game doesn't need to have realistic graphics to be good ,look at age of empires 2 (2013) , it has more players than aoe 3 DE lmao
That's the idea. If you watch or play any of the 4v4s I haven't seen the slightest hiccup in performance with 1600 population out in the game fighting. Spirit of the Law showed off a 4v4 game and it runs buttery smooth.
Yeah, but they removed all game mechanics pros uses for microing Housewalling Quickwalling Dodging arrows Hill bonus Sheepscouting So im wondering what will replace this micro? If nothing i think the game will be much less exciting from a competetive standpoint, both for players and viewers
@@AttiliusRex I think the asymetric factions is a big change though. Imagine putting a "half price villager" cheap tech in feudal age in aoe2, it would break the entire game balance, whereas in this, its balanced because other civs also get absurd bonuses in very niche areas. You can't dodge arrows or micro as much since units have slight acceleration and dont turn instantly, but there's so many other decision-making things that go into a match. AoE4 I think just moves some stuff away from micro and moves it toward macro. I don't just mean economy, but the general ideas of what to build next or where to go, just because the factions are so different. The civs to me are more akin to the civ differences in something like Company of Heroes, where even though every faction gets a "machine gunner" they all deploy at different rates, have different arcs, suppress at different rates, etc etc.
@@McSniffle yeah, but coh has directionsl cover, targeted abilites like grandes etc to make the combat skillbased and microintensive Not sure what aoe4 has, or are all battles won before the engagment (eg numbers, counterunits and upgrades)?
@@AttiliusRex Like I said, the CoH aspect of it is only that the civs are more distinct from each other. I don't disagree with you that the game has moved more away from micro and more toward macro and thats fine. I dont believe a game is more competitive-centric if it has more micro, it just changes the nature of the competition. I play fighting games competitively but I dont think thats more or less competitive play than someone playing chess.
Kinda lame, for sure I will be playing AOE3. Big Cons: drop off sites (will suck for hunting) The biggest con is not having military train in batches. This game will be all about micromanaging :-(
I’ve played aoe4 quite a bit as an age 3 player and yes it is a ton of micromanaging every buildings so many upgrades that have nothing unique about them.
Even in AoE2 building a mill for for for 4 deer was cost effective (obviously, when they are close to your town center). Even if AoE3 had drop points it would've been better to build a drop point for 100 wood units, because the quantity of animals in most maps it's so huge that you won't end up hunting all of them most of the times.
1-3... it's just "it's Age of Empires II". 4... it's Age of Mythology, but you build landmarks to age up. 5... some buildings have area effect buffs, that varies with civ 6... it's back to "it's Age of Empires II" 7... it's "it's Age of Empires I" Is anything carried over?
All those things are carried over from other Aoe games. Some civs have access to the culverin an anti siege unit cannon. The cannons in Aoe 4 are more powerful similar to Aoe 3. Some warships have aoe 3's broadside mechanic. Units show all the bonus damage they inflict like in aoe 3. Ranged units have a weaker melee attack like in aoe 3. Less more asymmetrical civs like in Aoe 3. All civs have culture specific graphics for units and buildings similar to how aoe 3 had non European factions I'm sure there is more.
as age 3 lover getting disappointment, specially with unit creation mechanism. Trade monopoly seems extra hard in age 4, it was already hard in age 3.people rarely pulled that off.
@@muhammadcalvin8281 I haven’t played all Civs and not very familiar with AOE2, English has a upgrade which allows you to gain gold while gathering food around mills, I think most civs still have to find gold, use trade routes or exchange in market
Check out a channel called Turin. He does a lot of Total War stuff and could probably do a cool collaboration with you talking about different RTS games. He’s a really cool dude, been watching him for years and would love getting to see y’all work together.
The population will only be 200 if they dont change it on release or add options like 200, 500 etc. I played the beta and I loved everything about aoe4, sounds are realistic sounds cool asf warriors scream when charging etc but i actually thougt the battles would be bigger as shown in trailers
1. Resource drop off is like AOE2 2. Resource techs are like AOE2 3. Military unit training is like AOE2 4. Ageing up is like AOE3: Asian Dynasties 5. We got a new mechanic! 6. Wonder victory is like AOE2 7. Sacred site victory is kinda like trade monopoly victory from AOE3
@@obiwankenobi785 what it was always clear. Aoe 3 players were actually delusional in what they expected for this game. No shit it’s gonna be more similar to 2 than 3. I’ve put in a dozen hours in this game across both hours and the duo I play with is an aoe2 fanatic so far it seems to be a middle ground game for both playerbases
@@masterdclone2172 that's actually good thing in my opinion they took aspects from both games and treid to cater to what the fans liked in each game... the game isn't even finished yet and people are allready nit picking it lol. " the graphics" says aoe 2 players that play a game with graphics from 20 years ago with crap path finding lol
Yeah, and I love it. AOE2 is one of the best strategy games of all time. AOE3 was dog shit by comparison... I played it for about 3 hours and HATED IT. I'm loving AOE4 and how to advance into the newer ages. Its a traditional AOE game, and I'm thoroughly enjoying it thus far.
@@obiwankenobi785 Aoe 4 will have modding tools which makes me expect their will be a lot of mods some might make it more like Aoe 3. Aoe 3 is my least favorite Aoe game but it's still a really good game
@ Yeah, disappointed - that was the mechanic in AoE2 and it did nothing. This game was always gonna be heavily based on AoE2, because of popularity. Oh well.
@@jjforcebreaker i really dislike how the arrows look and work. It doesn't make sense that archers should hit units moving diagonally or changing direction with 100% accuracy. And area of effect siege weapons need to damage friendly units as well
what I've found from comment section is that aoe2 players love the game and aoe3 players hate the game. Considering that aoe2 has much larger player base, I think it will be a huge success.
It doesnt have enough playerbase, aoe2 players wont stop playing aoe2, and aoe3 players dont like it so they wont migrate either. Rts are not that popular, so it will be a niche game in a gamepass environment, its too expensive on steam
Both player bases hate it because its too much like the other. Its fine to like your favorite game but really no one would've been happy unless AoE4 was DE deluxe edition or their game. And players saying its not going to get a player base because not a lot of AoE2 and 3 will transfer over I don't think Microsoft had them in mind really because if you played a game for 20 and 15 years respectively you're not going to leave. Microsoft drew from AoE2 the most because its time tested to be the more played game. I think AoE4 will be a game onto its own what I saw over the weekend were people trying to play AoE2 and AoE3 in AoE4. Microsoft made the definitive editions to give the AoE team exposure to games to make AoE4, but it some people think the DEs were the priority.
@@luisperalesbo If you've player a game for 20 years or 15 years you're not migrating over those are the core people you're talking about. Take a step back and look at the RTS scene Starcraft 2 AoE2 Warcraft 3 AoE3 and Company of Heroes. Company of Heroes is the newest game coming out 2013. RTS is ripe for a new game. Starcraft 2 by far is the most active, but Blizzard is removing support for it and in a game with three Civs (literally only 6 different match ups) the lack of updates and how fast the games it's going to make it a very stale game. It will keep its core but it won't gain as many new people.
You still exchange resources, but now you build trading units there to passively patrol between allied player markets or neutral points on the map, bringing back a gold trickle to your market.
AOE 4 = AOE2+ModernUI-LessCiv So basically want all AOE2 players move to AOE4. It will be challenging as AOE2 has 30 Plus civilizations. That being said AOE3 is solid,fast and more dynamic game compared to AOE2/AOE4.
unit micro is very different in aoe2 and aoe4, it's much more complex in aoe2. And the civs are much more different from each other in aoe4 vs aoe2. It's slower than aoe3 but quite a bit faster than aoe2.
No deck system. AOE4 has little similar to AOE3. AOE4 is just AOE2 with new graphics and some long-standing gameplay issues fixed (like the late-game availability of resource). If you loved AOE2, you will love AOE4.
i think this game will use a different aproach to age2 players and with they tradition, maybe some will try it, i personally am thinking this game brings all age2 slow pace game style and i think this pretty boring, no explorer, auras, decks, things that give a lot of ideas of build orders, i know is just a beta, but looks like the final game will go in these directions, is cool for who like this style, i'll stay with aoe3de and his much more interesting civs and gameplay
@@sowishful Why would it get love? Microsoft had AoE updated so the AoE4 team could learn about what made a game AoE 15 years after the release of AoE3. I like AoE3 its better than AoE2 but all the DEs were development for AoE4.
they did a good job copying aoe2 way more than aoe3 since aoe has a niche tiny community (of which i'm a part) but I can adapt once they fix the little things like shift clicking build; and bugs where certain upgrades don't show up on notification when completed. Finally the dark age into feudal age is a touch slower than aoe3 (aoe3: 3min age up 90sec transition vs aoe4: 3ish min age up 2 min transition).
As person who played Command and Conquer I know what the border system is I'm lucky Age of Empires II and know it has a drop off mechanics I feel like it won't be to difficult for me to play.
I think what many AOE 3 players should know is that the stone is back
makes sense because people don't use stone anymore in the era of aoe3.
@@sambauman69 stone walls are important to stop raiding since you need siege weapons to damage them they are essential for late game strategy especially if you are a fighting a highly mobile raiding faction like the Chinese or the Mongols
No stone = no Center = low eco = loose
back again!
@@sambauman69 oh yes it is in AOE4 why? well because castles. or you said keeps. what so special. well trebuchetes. and not sure about aoe4 but in aoe2. this building is where the unique comes from. or "champian"
It sucks that you cant train in batches anymore, that was one of the best things about AOE 3
Worst thing* Bcs this mechanick match in multiplayer looks like WW1 fight for any 1 meter ground.
I hate AoE multi bcs this mechanic.
The home city and deck card system was amazing in AoE3
this video is pretty much a reverse of what an AOE2 player needs to know to play AOE3 lol
my thoughts exactly
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haahaah trux same thoughts, wthel is he bloobering about aoe 2
So no more home cities?! That's one pretty important change imo
4:35 though it is suspicious, that shortly before IV releases, both II&III get civs with special mills, that in a way boost the gathering rate of farms around them, (even though the specifics are different in the case of II, giving you instead a part of the food, when you build the farm)
Number 7 is basically Relic's signature victory condition . You know about it if you play CoH or DoW series .
Likely so, but I'd like to think them as Ruins from AoE1.
Number 7 was in AoE1 - even the theme of it being ruins you have to cap. Relic probably saw it as a prefect opportunity to bring it back since it's also the sort of victory condition they favor.
@@tulisotilas good point.
@@GepardenK exactly
i have found that i like 3 better than 2 because I have a bit more options with the chosen empire. More buildings, more things I can find on the map, the card deck.
I hope that will still be there.
Each civ is a bit more diverse than they were in Age of Empires 2. They do feel different. And with the landmark system you shape your civ a bit as you go up ages. But there is no card system. So people who liked that about Age of Empire 3 or Wargames (to mention an other game with cards) will be a bit disappointed that the game lacks that.
I think each of the 3 games will have their fans. And I will play each of the game even going forward (Though I wish for a proper remaster of Age of Mythology and Rise of Legend to. I do not think one can even buy a digital copy of RoL :( )
there will be a masteries system that probably allows for some customisation.
aoe2 has much larger player base and targeting them is the most logical choice, aoe4 is a faster aoe2 with some good game mechanics from aoe3 and some improvements.
@@Cythil I bought age 3. I liked it. it had interesting parts. I havn't play any aoe game in a long time. I probably like AOE2 better. over all. its a more microing game. I like the stone and having to build mining camps etc. and training soilders one by one. which I like aoe3 also. multiple units at once. no drop of. it give you a bit more military control. stuff like that. I think the cards are a good feture. and the trading outposts. how you can upgrade to a train etc. and how you can chose 2 different "empires" etc.
@@ritwikreddy5670 well said
I'm surprised batch training was not kept from AoE3. The faster pace of AoE3 seems more akin to modern design principles and this game bucks that trend.
Not really surprised considering how strong AoE2 is still going. And that game can still have rounds being over in
aoe2 doesn't have the batch training and is extremely popular.
@@ritwikreddy5670 aoe 2 runs on nostalgia fuel. Batch training is very standard for mordern RTs games. Aoe 3 was ahead of its time.
@@sohamdas7314 I agreee ao3 was so ahead of its time and developed all ideas of the privous installments further, though further doesnt mean better...
@@majormononoke8958 it was better
People need to remember that he is just pointing out differences and don’t form ur entire opinion of the game off only what’s different
I liked having upgrades in the market, not only did it make it so you had to build it but also it became an easier part to implement in strategy
Really liked that "list style" format of this video over the more "narrated" ones on this channel! Helpful things to keep in mind transitioning from AOE 3 to AOE 4. Good video!
Sacred site victory, that is a quite old mechanic from Age of Empires 1.
So, AoE4 is basically AoE2 that got its late game issues sorted out
What i don't like is that you made two points for turtle strategies in this video and i am certain that AoE4 is slower but it seems that it's going to have that much action...
The late game isnt sorted - its the same as AoE2 as i can tell - trash wars past 30 mins.
Trade carts and relic trickles are tiny.
@@graemes8187 i see you haven't built 30 or 40 trade carts from a well placed and defended market. You can get enough gold to keep up unit production. And the neutral markets in Aoe 4 makes it possible to never run out of gold in a 1v1
@@graemes8187 In AOE4, farms now generate gold in addition to the standard food. I think that alleviates the problem of trash units in late game.
@@fupopanda thats only brits
@@graemes8187 yah the games crap like its made in 1998 lol
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These mechanics in AoE 4 makes a slower game time compared to AoE 3.
But I loved the wonder and sacred site cuz I think it's a very exciting and competitive victory conditions. Especially for the turtle strat.
Unlike AoE 3, turtling players cannot win without destroying their opponent.
I'm not a fan of the slower paced AoE2 style. With all the successful modern RTS (starcraft, etc) fast pacing is key.
Even with a wonder though you cannot pure turtle anymore because the enemy wiill just go for a sacred site victory - which is faster.
They main problem with turtling as well is there is no late game gold income so if you use most of it on upgrades, you wont have many units to fight with.
There are no factories or plantations
AoE2 had trade carts and relics but they dont give you enough to sustain unit production.
The Land mark system also prevents cockroaching. Which makes me sad. But will probably make a lot of players happy.
Once the enemy finds your big land mark buildings, and destroys them, you are out of the game. You won't be able to hide out in a corner of the map with One villager in a FFA match. And slowly rebuild your empire from a single lumber camp.
If they take out the big easily Spotable buildings, you are out.
@@robertkeaney9905 It wont matter as much - even with the Asian civs in AoE3, they age up with landmarks, but if you destroy them it wont send you back in ages.
It will certainly have a big impact on your eco/strategy but you could build up once again as long as you had villagers and a TC.
Cock-roaching is really annoying though because it makes games drag on - which is never fun. This is after all, a game and games are meant to be fun.
Isn’t the wonder victory for a turtle game player though every time I’ve used it is when I’ve been turtling and then mass stone walls
@@graemes8187 Well, I mean, in a 1 v 1 situation I can see how Cock roaching is annoying.
But in FFA games my greatest joy is surviving a massive early raid. To some how sneak off with at least a few villagers. And then slowly build my way back up from the shadows. To become a credible threat by the end of the game.
In AoE IV you automatically lose if all your TC's are down and all of your Land marks are down.
It doesn't matter if you have 20 vills and an archer range hiding at at edge of the map.
Special Important buildings go down, and boom you lose. Which is good because it means you can't just have one dude hiding a single vil behind a cliff.
But it also means you can't have incredible come backs in FFA games. Its a lot more Cut and Dry. Defend your land marks/TC's or you lose.
The lack of generalized military batch training is a bit heartbreaking. That is going to slow down the game significantly while also increasing the surface area of your base.
No, single units are made 5 times as fast, you will get 5 units in the same time
After 10 hours of playing, I think this new game is 80% age2+10%graphic improvment+5%AOE3+5%something new. Now I understand why people call it AOE2 2.
Hey man, recently found your channel and I can't give enough compliments. I was just wondering if there was a possibility you could apply some timestamps throughout a video like this? Helps viewers who might already know bits of info to jump to a point that is more applicable for them :)
Awww yeah, keep pumping up them AoE vidz. I love it.
As an AOE III player yeah this AOE IV is pretty much like AOE II in terms of mechanics but they did add some AOE III features as you have mentioned in the vid. Missing is the mass military unit training like in AOE III and this game requires you to make 5 or more barracks to make 5+ units unless you rely on the increased unit production speed tech from the civs tech tree. Only nitpick is the units in aoe iv still look slightly cartoony! 🤣
I actually find the style - pretty realistic landscape (i think the lighting overall has improved) + a bit magical effects and characters quite nice.
Just subbed. Been watching all your vids. You and Turin are my favs for this game so far.
Your play style as far as controls, hotkeys, and grouping is what I am going for.
Keep it up!!!
I know we havent seen everything yet but the Sacred Site was an interesting thing to figure out! Not to mention it looks like they've possibly done away with treasures on the map? My scout feels like a sheep herder rather than a treasure and enemy finder...I do enjoy the ability to win via 3 options rather than beefiest most advanced = win. It gives us slow, economically incompetent individuals a fighting chance lol.
I think Microsoft is trying to make a big push into competitive RTS, espically since Blizzard is starting to take support away from Starcraft2. They can't have matches that last hours if that's the case.
Treasures like the ones in AOE III? I wasn't aware they added that in AOE IV?
@@JJ-zr6fu Absolutely I agree, it took me an hour+ just to beat the AI enemies during the trial period. Naturally with more strategic enemies and alternatives ways of winning things would move significantly faster. I feel generally overall it is a huge step in the competitive direction and makes it more challenging.
@@gtone339 Right, my point was we arent seeing as many cross overs from III as we are from the previous games. Was more a general acknowledgement than anything else and something minor to most other players anyways.
The main difference betwenn relic and sacred site victory is that you cannot fortify 3 sites the way you can do to 1 monastery (that was already in your town). So, I really think that sacred site is more related to trade monopoly victory than to relic.
How do cavalry units attack ? They stop and hit like other age of empires games or they attack like bfme games ?
They should make it such that the wonder announcement comes only after one of the players has a wonder fully built
Melee units should be able to kill siege with melee. Torches are very bugged. Also, attack move needs to attack more units not all target 1 enemy
Back on supreme commander they all will target a separate unit so their is no over kill bullshit
yeah, charging a siege unit with cavalry feels so satisfying in other aoe games, it's a pity that's not in aoe4.
@@TrikeGarage There's a specific command for doing that. But also more generally I rather think SupCom has a level of automation that Age fans would dislike. And Starcraft fans for that matter. TA-based games have optimized automation and planning tools cos they're played at a very distant, strategic level. Fights are much closer in and smaller in AoE.
Remember this is a beta. By this time next year it should be all sorted out.
Pathing is horrible at the moment, if you attack an enemy army you better click on one of the many first roll of the soldiers, otherwise your troops just goes around and try’s to attack that single enemy solider in the middle. IMO AOE3 does a lot better at this, if your troop can’t reach the target they will immediately seek the closest enemy to them.
AoE 4 with shipments & batch unit training would be amazing
Home city cards should only for sending units, crates of food, gold, wood and stones but not for military and economic improvement researchs. All of those techs should be within buliding related to it. Like in Aoe 2.
@@yullegrahardjazh I disagree. The decks/cards add a drastic variety of strategies, that's the beauty of it.
aoe3 were overseas colonies, so shipments make sense, aoe4 and aoe2 are empires and shipments are non sensical in this context, and too many strategies means new players are less likely to stay for long time since it is a lot of work to learn all those.
@@ritwikreddy5670 why? It drastically improves the chances of weaker players winning through some unforeseen twist. It also makes one less dependent on perfect micro, which broadens the spectrum of players. I can come back to AoE3 without spending hours on training my buildorders.
How you off smoke/fog effect?
Appreciate your work mate
Thank you comrade. This is valuable advice.
Aoe3 is a completely different game compared to Aoe4. Aoe4 feels like a slightly updated Aoe2.
Looking forward to getting used to these changes!
Looking forward to aoe5 when they remake aoe3.
Aoe4 is just aoe2?
rip homecity shipments and cool civs
@@srnght yeah the devs have just gone backwards
@@ipogokeys2018 I mean AoE2 seems way more popular so makes sense
@@0nni1998 yeah, but just leave aoe2 to be itself, it didnt need a remake. I find aoe4 just to be a shitter version of aoe3 as it isnt aoe2, but it isnt full on aoe3.
@@checker297 Lol! When Aoe2 definitive edition was announced, I thought it was going to look like aoe4. 😂😂😂
Not to really spoil anything but a mate of mine and I were playing the stress test last night and one thing I noticed straight off the bat was that you cannot use your TC garrison vills and spit them out the other side to cut down the villager seconds (even with a waypoint set) they simply just pop out of the nearest door on the TC...as far as what I have experimented with that is.
Thank god tho cause this was such a hassle for new players in aoe3.
You can , you need to click the next target resource first .. then do the tc garrison
It think they tried hard to cut down on unintended game mechanics like that. I don't AoE2 was ever meant to have the type of micro you see or the quick wall. These are more game exploits that kind of ruin the game a little especially for players who are trying to play the game as intended.
Are there things like „plantations“ to get lategame stone/coin? or is it like aoe2 where those just run out
no plantations, you have to relay on trade routes like aoe2 for gold late game. The english can generate gold from thier farms with a certain upgrade
Thanks. Please, do more AoE IV videos!
Since you've played and casted Age of Empires 2, Age of Empires 3 and Age of Empires 4 quite a bit, is there a potential future where you'd do a lengthier video about this topic?
Mainly because you have such a lot of experience in each. Would love to hear your thoughts on what's good, what's bad and what's different.
I love AoE2 but haven't played AoE3 and I've barely touched AoE4.
Does AoE3 still have a place or has AoE4 just replaced it?
This is just what aoe3 players need to know about age 2
No
the wonder victory mechanic was the same in AOE1. An expensive building that tells your opponents when its built and need to destroy within a time frame or you lose.
aoe2 has the same thing.
@@ritwikreddy5670 but all the games on aoe2 are played as "conquest" i.e. destroy enemy.
"Standard" vicotryi.e. Wonder victory is only possible in lobby matches
So they've combined bits from all the age games. Win by wonders, capturing ruins, build landmarks etc
Is there a single player campaign in AOE4, or just multiplayer?
Both
Its going to be interesting see AoE 2 and 3 strategies merge together the annoying thing watching some Beta videos you see the players trying to play it like the game their used too.
I learned a lot about AoE3 from this video XD
I really like the mechanics and the similarities to AOE2 but the graphics really turn me off. AOE3 looks so beautiful. Why did they take such a huge step back? I can't be the only one feeling like that.
what, aoe3 had too much glow, too much artificial smoothening and was oversaturated and clumsy to play although it was good to look at. This might be okay to play in campaign mode, but a huge hindrance in competitive play.
aoe2 had no glow, had hard edges everywhere and was too minimalistic and utilitarian. I find aoe4 to be the perfect balance with a slight glow, smooth edges without the artificial jitter, and much more resolving to play than aoe2 while also looking better than aoe3, and mainly much better shadows than aoe3.
You know that most footage comes from a "stress test"
So focus was: can the servers handle the amount of players and not: hey here is our gamd, try it, because it will be like that on release
It's an art style choice not a "step back", there's a difference, plus a game doesn't need to have realistic graphics to be good ,look at age of empires 2 (2013) , it has more players than aoe 3 DE lmao
Tried to play IV went straight back to 3, much more fun to keep playing 3. Age IV looks like league of legends.
Multiplayer better not be a laggy mess! It looks very smooth
Every time I see his name my brain thinks : ahh you bloody drongo;)
You forget that a port is a drop of point to,
Looking at the graphics looks like ill be able to play this on my fridge lol
Dont be fooled, its horrendously optimized so far
That's the idea. If you watch or play any of the 4v4s I haven't seen the slightest hiccup in performance with 1600 population out in the game fighting. Spirit of the Law showed off a 4v4 game and it runs buttery smooth.
AOE4 is a combination of AOE2, AOE3 and AOM mechanics during the AOE2 time period and civilisations. WHICH I AM DOWN FOR!!
HOW CAN I GET AOE 4 DEMO PLAY
Looking forward to your new content! Glad to hear someone just as excited about AOE4 as me!
I think Aoe2 has just been redesigned. Pretty much the same dark age build order, drop off sites, single unit training ...
Yeah, but they removed all game mechanics pros uses for microing
Housewalling
Quickwalling
Dodging arrows
Hill bonus
Sheepscouting
So im wondering what will replace this micro? If nothing i think the game will be much less exciting from a competetive standpoint, both for players and viewers
@@AttiliusRex I think the asymetric factions is a big change though. Imagine putting a "half price villager" cheap tech in feudal age in aoe2, it would break the entire game balance, whereas in this, its balanced because other civs also get absurd bonuses in very niche areas. You can't dodge arrows or micro as much since units have slight acceleration and dont turn instantly, but there's so many other decision-making things that go into a match. AoE4 I think just moves some stuff away from micro and moves it toward macro. I don't just mean economy, but the general ideas of what to build next or where to go, just because the factions are so different. The civs to me are more akin to the civ differences in something like Company of Heroes, where even though every faction gets a "machine gunner" they all deploy at different rates, have different arcs, suppress at different rates, etc etc.
@@McSniffle yeah, but coh has directionsl cover, targeted abilites like grandes etc to make the combat skillbased and microintensive
Not sure what aoe4 has, or are all battles won before the engagment (eg numbers, counterunits and upgrades)?
@@AttiliusRex Like I said, the CoH aspect of it is only that the civs are more distinct from each other. I don't disagree with you that the game has moved more away from micro and more toward macro and thats fine. I dont believe a game is more competitive-centric if it has more micro, it just changes the nature of the competition. I play fighting games competitively but I dont think thats more or less competitive play than someone playing chess.
@@AttiliusRex I also think so. I'm a big fan of aoe3 but given a choice I would rather play aoe2 than aoe4.
This is a really good video not gonna lie
Kinda lame, for sure I will be playing AOE3.
Big Cons: drop off sites (will suck for hunting)
The biggest con is not having military train in batches.
This game will be all about micromanaging :-(
I’ve played aoe4 quite a bit as an age 3 player and yes it is a ton of micromanaging every buildings so many upgrades that have nothing unique about them.
Even in AoE2 building a mill for for for 4 deer was cost effective (obviously, when they are close to your town center). Even if AoE3 had drop points it would've been better to build a drop point for 100 wood units, because the quantity of animals in most maps it's so huge that you won't end up hunting all of them most of the times.
I couldn’t agree more. I think we all wanted better graphics, more civs, more units and more maps and we’d all have loved AOE 4
Anyone else loving the Chinese? Love the art style, music, and palace guards
Abbasids don't build landmarks to age up, instead they build wings in house of wisdom to age up.
1-3... it's just "it's Age of Empires II".
4... it's Age of Mythology, but you build landmarks to age up.
5... some buildings have area effect buffs, that varies with civ
6... it's back to "it's Age of Empires II"
7... it's "it's Age of Empires I"
Is anything carried over?
All those things are carried over from other Aoe games. Some civs have access to the culverin an anti siege unit cannon. The cannons in Aoe 4 are more powerful similar to Aoe 3. Some warships have aoe 3's broadside mechanic. Units show all the bonus damage they inflict like in aoe 3. Ranged units have a weaker melee attack like in aoe 3. Less more asymmetrical civs like in Aoe 3. All civs have culture specific graphics for units and buildings similar to how aoe 3 had non European factions I'm sure there is more.
What is a wunda?
as age 3 lover getting disappointment, specially with unit creation mechanism.
Trade monopoly seems extra hard in age 4, it was already hard in age 3.people rarely pulled that off.
Please tell me the mill/plantation exist in AOE4
Its my favourite feature from AOE3 besides training in 5
There is only mill, but functions quite differently
@@MROKJIA is it infinite or not?
@@muhammadcalvin8281 it is
@@MROKJIA oh thank god, what about gold source in the late game? Do we still need to scour the map for another gold source like in AOE2?
@@muhammadcalvin8281 I haven’t played all Civs and not very familiar with AOE2, English has a upgrade which allows you to gain gold while gathering food around mills, I think most civs still have to find gold, use trade routes or exchange in market
Check out a channel called Turin. He does a lot of Total War stuff and could probably do a cool collaboration with you talking about different RTS games. He’s a really cool dude, been watching him for years and would love getting to see y’all work together.
They announced this game like seven years ago, was really expecting more.
Wut? Where's this seven year old announcement?
@@ArawnOfAnnwn The annoucement is only 4 years old, but there was certainly rumours on it years before I guess.
The population will only be 200 if they dont change it on release or add options like 200, 500 etc. I played the beta and I loved everything about aoe4, sounds are realistic sounds cool asf warriors scream when charging etc but i actually thougt the battles would be bigger as shown in trailers
1. Resource drop off is like AOE2
2. Resource techs are like AOE2
3. Military unit training is like AOE2
4. Ageing up is like AOE3: Asian Dynasties
5. We got a new mechanic!
6. Wonder victory is like AOE2
7. Sacred site victory is kinda like trade monopoly victory from AOE3
@@obiwankenobi785 what it was always clear. Aoe 3 players were actually delusional in what they expected for this game. No shit it’s gonna be more similar to 2 than 3. I’ve put in a dozen hours in this game across both hours and the duo I play with is an aoe2 fanatic so far it seems to be a middle ground game for both playerbases
@@masterdclone2172 that's actually good thing in my opinion they took aspects from both games and treid to cater to what the fans liked in each game... the game isn't even finished yet and people are allready nit picking it lol. " the graphics" says aoe 2 players that play a game with graphics from 20 years ago with crap path finding lol
How many of you Aoe3 fans will go back playing Aoe3? Raise your hands.
If it wasn't going to be crazy expensive I would try it but I don't think I'm gonna buy aoe4. Stick to aoe3 and rocket league lol
@@WhiteVipor Me too.
The projectiles in this game still look like total garbage
I was afraid that aoe IV is going to be just like aoe II with minor changes. It seems I wasn't wrong :c
I am still going to play the hell outta this game
Yeah, and I love it. AOE2 is one of the best strategy games of all time. AOE3 was dog shit by comparison... I played it for about 3 hours and HATED IT. I'm loving AOE4 and how to advance into the newer ages. Its a traditional AOE game, and I'm thoroughly enjoying it thus far.
Yes, I don’t like it
@@obiwankenobi785 True. AOE 3 is masterpiece.
@@obiwankenobi785 Aoe 4 will have modding tools which makes me expect their will be a lot of mods some might make it more like Aoe 3. Aoe 3 is my least favorite Aoe game but it's still a really good game
Economic upgrades in the market was always such a fucking bulshit
You get used to no batch training after a while
I think all AOE3 players have to know is that: AOE4 is basically AOE3 graphics with AOE2 gameplay
Sounds like age of mythology influenced a lot of changes here
After hours of trying to install it My pc is only 4gb ram so I can’t play. Have fun boys
same
Hope you can upgrade soon
What machine are you running for god sake.?? Even phones have more RAM these days...
Just imagine 3d reskin for aoe2. It's aoe4
@@tukemies sorry mate not everyone can afford to upgrade to the latest tech 😀
Another AOE2 definitive Edition with better graphics?
Is there a late game gold mechanic or is every long game gonna end up as a trash fight like AoE2?
Trading with a neutral market usually located at the center or at the edges of the map.
@ ugh that's never going to sustain big armies.
And also will need half the troops to defend it
@@graemes8187 There are other options but that and relics are the ones in common for all civs.
@ Yeah, disappointed - that was the mechanic in AoE2 and it did nothing.
This game was always gonna be heavily based on AoE2, because of popularity. Oh well.
Relics, trade, and captured sacred sites all give passive gold trickles. It's not much, but still.
So... No town guard or people casually walking down the roads?
I don't like how the bows look, they stand out too much.
Not to mention arrows that look like small spears, have terrible animations, weird trajectory, perfect accuracy, no decay etc.
@@jjforcebreaker i really dislike how the arrows look and work. It doesn't make sense that archers should hit units moving diagonally or changing direction with 100% accuracy. And area of effect siege weapons need to damage friendly units as well
what I've found from comment section is that aoe2 players love the game and aoe3 players hate the game.
Considering that aoe2 has much larger player base, I think it will be a huge success.
I'm in a large aoe 2 clan and I cannot think of a single member that likes it.
It doesnt have enough playerbase, aoe2 players wont stop playing aoe2, and aoe3 players dont like it so they wont migrate either. Rts are not that popular, so it will be a niche game in a gamepass environment, its too expensive on steam
Both player bases hate it because its too much like the other. Its fine to like your favorite game but really no one would've been happy unless AoE4 was DE deluxe edition or their game. And players saying its not going to get a player base because not a lot of AoE2 and 3 will transfer over I don't think Microsoft had them in mind really because if you played a game for 20 and 15 years respectively you're not going to leave.
Microsoft drew from AoE2 the most because its time tested to be the more played game. I think AoE4 will be a game onto its own what I saw over the weekend were people trying to play AoE2 and AoE3 in AoE4. Microsoft made the definitive editions to give the AoE team exposure to games to make AoE4, but it some people think the DEs were the priority.
@@luisperalesbo If you've player a game for 20 years or 15 years you're not migrating over those are the core people you're talking about.
Take a step back and look at the RTS scene Starcraft 2 AoE2 Warcraft 3 AoE3 and Company of Heroes. Company of Heroes is the newest game coming out 2013. RTS is ripe for a new game. Starcraft 2 by far is the most active, but Blizzard is removing support for it and in a game with three Civs (literally only 6 different match ups) the lack of updates and how fast the games it's going to make it a very stale game. It will keep its core but it won't gain as many new people.
Its a mixed-bag so yeah aoe2 players might think of this as another aoe3 with 3d assets + enhancements.
I played 2, 3 and aom
You said the market is different but didn’t explain how
You still exchange resources, but now you build trading units there to passively patrol between allied player markets or neutral points on the map, bringing back a gold trickle to your market.
AOE 4 = AOE2+ModernUI-LessCiv
So basically want all AOE2 players move to AOE4. It will be challenging as AOE2 has 30 Plus civilizations.
That being said AOE3 is solid,fast and more dynamic game compared to AOE2/AOE4.
Yes but the civs play very differently to each other for 2 players. For 3 they don’t change enough
unit micro is very different in aoe2 and aoe4, it's much more complex in aoe2. And the civs are much more different from each other in aoe4 vs aoe2. It's slower than aoe3 but quite a bit faster than aoe2.
That ui puts me off so hard. I dont know what were they thinking making medieval game ui look like stellaris
Aoe4 has no decks/ home shipments like aoe3?
Nope, unfortunately
So its a mixture of AoE 2 and AoM, with small new things. Maybe even tiny bit AoE 1, sacred sites remind me of ruins.
There is also some AOE3 touch.
As an aoe2 player, I think the upgrades being in the market would be handy because I'm sick of my allies not building markets :P
Sacred Site is actually from aoe1 where it is called "Ruins"
So..... Which is better.... 4 or 3?
Surprise that AoE4 has a lot of common things with AoE3.
why nowadays is the fucking Lod in games so bad ? like in 2:40 the threes ??? WHHYYYYYYYY i noticed this in many new "next GEN" games
Is there still cards and decks unique to each civ?
No deck system, but each civ have their own units.
No deck system. AOE4 has little similar to AOE3. AOE4 is just AOE2 with new graphics and some long-standing gameplay issues fixed (like the late-game availability of resource). If you loved AOE2, you will love AOE4.
i think this game will use a different aproach to age2 players and with they tradition, maybe some will try it, i personally am thinking this game brings all age2 slow pace game style and i think this pretty boring, no explorer, auras, decks, things that give a lot of ideas of build orders, i know is just a beta, but looks like the final game will go in these directions, is cool for who like this style, i'll stay with aoe3de and his much more interesting civs and gameplay
yup I just would like some of the graphic effects and sound improvements be shipped to aoe3
I’m not going to lie… I don’t like AOE 4 it’s pretty much everything I would have not wanted lol
That why I call it AOE II(2).
I hope aoe3 still gets loved after aoe4 release. Honestly will not be buying aoe4 with that price tag and how much it plays like aoe2
@@sowishful same lmao I’m going to stay plying AOE 3. I honestly don’t think we’re going to get a another enjoyable AOE after 3
Yea I waited for this as an AOE3 player... after playing it I might just get the AOE3 DE and keep playing that.
@@sowishful Why would it get love? Microsoft had AoE updated so the AoE4 team could learn about what made a game AoE 15 years after the release of AoE3. I like AoE3 its better than AoE2 but all the DEs were development for AoE4.
Great
Basically it's aoe2: Difinitiver edition
they did a good job copying aoe2 way more than aoe3 since aoe has a niche tiny community (of which i'm a part) but I can adapt once they fix the little things like shift clicking build; and bugs where certain upgrades don't show up on notification when completed. Finally the dark age into feudal age is a touch slower than aoe3 (aoe3: 3min age up 90sec transition vs aoe4: 3ish min age up 2 min transition).
So far it looks like as far as an upgrade to AOE2, 0 A.D. wins over AOE4. More strategic mechanics, better graphics, open source.
0 AD is good but definitely lacks polish. The game play is clunky and unit routes are poorly designed. I have enjoyed playing it last patch.
AOE4 just seems to be an upgraded AOE2, is it just me?
AOE4 sucks, I'm sorry, i was so excited to buy it, almost got the early access, tbh im glad i didn't. I'm very disappointed.
At last someone that take into account that AOE3 existed, thank you.
1) It's not as good, 2)it's not as good, 3) it's not as good, 4) it's not as good and most importantly 5) it's not as good.
Damn, looking on the AoE3 I come to the conclusion that AoE4 looks way more clear and minimalistic
As person who played Command and Conquer I know what the border system is I'm lucky Age of Empires II and know it has a drop off mechanics I feel like it won't be to difficult for me to play.