Ford addresses concerns on f-150 lightning winter range loss: Tips electric truck buyers should know
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Winter came early this year. And that left a lot of electric truck buyers surprised at just how much the cold weather drains their electric truck batteries.
This led to Ford Motor Company quickly releasing their list of 8 tips that can help keep your battery full longer.
Today we will talk about the winter range loss on the ford f-150 lightning and some tips to consider when purchasing or owning an electric truck.
Ford states that: ""...all-electric vehicles experience energy decreases in cold temperatures due to battery cell chemistry. Temperatures below 40°F (4°C) cause the electrolyte fluid to become sluggish, limiting how much power is available to discharge and how quickly the vehicle’s battery can charge."
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Yet another reason I'm moving forward on the F150 Powerboost (Hybrid).
Exactly.
Larry, this is the primary reason I canceled my Lightning reservation. Have to wait until the battery quick charging technology improves.
Who's paying over $100,000 for these?
People with more money than brains.
I got the Lariat Extended Range Battery and was shocked by the range loss in winter driving... I chalked it up to being an EV newbie...I have made some adjustments and I am just hyper aware now ...but still love my Lighting 7K miles in....
Awesome! I just got a Lariat with the Extended battery last month. I love it too! What was your range in the winter? I’m in Colorado so I imagine I’ll have a considerable decrease. I’m going to try to garage it as much as I can in winter. I can fit it in my garage but it takes up half the garage.
As it gets older, the winter loss will be even more (2 or more years). I have a 35 year old ford and its range is almost the same as it was new.
Yes, but you are not trendy, and cool like the sheep that buy EVs. Ohh yes and your not environmentally conscious. Even though their truck batteries will be lucky to make it 10 years. There is a sucker born everyday....
I've been and electrician all my life, so I knew the lightning range wouldn't be good in the winter. Here in Illinois we've seen subzero temperatures. Personally I wouldn't have purchased my platinum if the main purpose was to drive long distance. I drive on average 50-60 miles a day, I charge to 80% and my truck is always plugged in if I'm home. Just barely enough room in the garage for the lightning. I'll never have to worry about range regardless of how cold it gets. I'd never recommend a lightning for long distance traveling, not because of its range, but because of the lousy charging infrastructure. From what I've heard, the few chargers that are available for the lightning often don't work. And to make it worse electrify america doesn't post their out of service stations, so you're expecting to charge somewhere but all the chargers are busy or out of service. Usually the latter, but wait until the end of next year when there are more than twice as many lightnings on the road. Big trouble trying to get a charge while traveling. And if you're towing even worse, range will drop therefore a need to charge more often, but very few drive through charging stations, so you get to unhitch your trailer to charge or block everyone else from charging.
100% correct on the infrastructure!!!! I have a 2018 Tesla model 3 without a heat pump. I live in Chicago also and range lose is big. My wife has a model y with a heat pump. Huge difference
Sounds like a great recommendation from Ford! Make sure you use your heated seats and heated steering wheel, oh wait, we’ve deleted heated steering wheels because of the chip shortage, just drive cold in your 80k f150
Now actually use it as a truck i.e. Put some weight in the back or haul a trailer and see what your range is.... If you bought one of these you get what you deserve.
Ironically, Ford's estimated range figures ARE tested with a 1,000# payload in back.
However, a 1,000# payload is not gonna suck as much extra juice as a 1,000# trailer.
I'd add:
A. Blast the heater while DC fast charging.
B. Before departure schedule charge so that it finishes charging just as you are leaving.
I'll add: go to hell
If you travel to Montana, make sure you bring a tow rope so you can get towed the last 120 miles to the next fast charger after your battery dies at 100 miles in 35 below weather!
From the factory they should put a blanket on the battery to accommodate the cold if you live in certain states and countries I know on the 2017 Nissan Leafs in Canada they put blankets on the batteries it might help a little
This is another reason to keep driving my 2002 Lincoln Town Car that I have for 15+ years. In freezing weather, I can ride in comfort with no loss in range.
Another thing that us noobies need to pay close attention to is the effect of headwind on range. Today I was traveling on a rural interstate with a 80 mph speed limit and I had to slow to 65 mph in order to comfortably make it to the next charger because I encountered an unexpected 20-30 mph headwind. (Model Y)
Tesla is starting to integrate wind and temperature from A to B navigation estimates.
Not sure if it's 100% integrated yet but I know it's in the works at minimum.
This is nothing new, pilots have to calculate headwind every time they fly.
@@anthonyspadafora1384 I wish my 172 back in the 80s had the energy monitoring software that's in my Model Y!
@@stevehuthman741 And the GPS. I use to hover down in the old Hiller to read road signs. It wasn't until I had 3 axis autopilot GPS in the 177 that I joined the 2000 ft club. Getting a BJ in the helicopter didnt count after Clinton changed the language lol. The problem with all this tech is after the next World War it will disappear and most people will be helpless. I for one can still read a map and do headwind calculations.
This is exactly the kind of thing I never ever want to have to think about. :)
Larry, Took delivery on my 2023 Pro yesterday. Dealership honored MSRP and the $7k private offer and even somehow got my $1200 off for friends and family X-Plan. Total MSRP with tow tech, 9.6kw Pro Power options and destination $43254!
Ford needs to be a little more forthcoming about three Lightning issues:
1) don’t expect to tow long distances, especially in winter.
2) don’t expect to drive a Lightning in winter, in the ways you might an ICE truck.
3) you really need to be able to garage your truck, and have enough power on your panel to charge it fully, overnight. Otherwise, EV ownership is bound to be a frustration and a disappointment.
I don't think garaging large lithium batteries is advisable at this point
What's the range on 0 degree temps pulling 5k pounds on a v nose enclosed trailer? Serious question. I've seen some reports under 100 miles range on the long range model but no one using it close to this. Preconditioning makes sense, it's just an annoying inconvenience for the cost. They made Ev's cost more to own. Their best argument 5 years ago really.
So: $100k vehicle. Relatively expensive. Expensive insurance. Not really good for towing. Not very good in the cold and snow. Reduced range whenever it's fully loaded. Only really useful in suburbia (garage, special 220v charger) WHAT is the value proposition again for the average pickup owner? It's marketed as a "truck". Doesn't appear to be able to do what I would expect a truck to do. Imo
My oil burner keeps on chugging along.
I have a better idea. Don’t buy an EV for five years. This technology will evolve and change.
Hey Larry...I'm a newbie ...lariat standar range....I got 190...200 Miles when charge 100%.. Brockton,MA
Extended Range - Lariat - California winter - 40's at night and 80's during the day.
Home fully charged 100% - 255 miles
The truck is parked outside - doesn't fit in the garage.
My truck is not plugged in every night due to the location of the previous EV Charger in the back of the garage.
New Ford Pro Charger is still in the box, until after the Holidays.
Note: I have never seen it above 310 miles since I first picked it up at the dealership Sept 29th, 2022.
Aww yes. The higher range battery is only $10-15 K more. 😂😂😂😂😂
150 miles at 100% Michigan 30s temp SR battery
Heat pumps matter a lot. Huge difference in Tesla models
For houses, I have read heat pumps don't work well below freezing, as taking the heat out of cold air is inefficient, and as well, the evaporator turns into a block of ice, reducing efficiency even more.
How does Tesla get around this. Without checking, I'd say that in sub zero weather, Tesla resorts to resistance heating, as house units do.
@@drewthompson7457 We got a heat pump last year and it worked down to 5°F when it was very cold one day. If the unit outside is freezing, it will go into defrost mode for a few minutes, then turns on the heat. They worked very well. I only expected them to work down to 25 or 30F
@@mikeflanary642 : good to hear. My government has now added a 31% tax to clean natural gas. I'm looking into a heat pump so they can tax electricity more....
99%, 172 mile range, 15f, 2022 lightning pro. Love the truck not the winter range……
When driving my ioniq5 to Orlando I stopped overnight in Tennessee it was 22 overnight I lost 30 miles range but more worrisome tire pressure went down to 23lbs
The tire pressure would drop on a gas car too….
You know what ....coal keeps the lights on 24 - 7 EV vehicles during cold weather will ...let's just say survival rate is very low...good luck
I am new to this thing... yesterday i had 54% for a 100km trip i arrived with 6% and 8km range left! Is it normal to consume 40kwh/100km ?!!!!!
Mr. Lynch great show for the time of year. Please tell us more about other EV range winter loss. Thanks
Gasoline engine trucks pressurize the cab to eliminate drafts. EVs use resistance heat, wait until those doors seals and flaps get a few years on them and infiltration increases. You will be lucky if you can even heat the thing.
Not all evs use resistance heat some have heat pumps and no the cab is not pressurized where did you get the misinformation from maybe if it was a aircraft then I would say yes the cab would have to be air tight in order for it to pressurize and if that was the case you could suffocate in the car or truck if you didn't have a window down
@@lesstevens2370 Tesla uses a heat pump on their higher end model. Cabins in cars are pressurized just like the walmart store, didnt you ever notice when you open the door the air blows outward. Please I have been a HVAC mechanic for 35 years. They bring in some outside air even when you close the outdoor air flap. This cause a higher pressure inside the cabin that pushes air outward. I am also a pilot so I know all about pressurized aircraft. The problem here is you have no idea what you are talking about and you are willing to share that.
@@lesstevens2370 Now if you will excuse me I have to go rescue all the people suffocating at Walmart LMFAO
@@anthonyspadafora1384 so how is an ev any different then a standard ice car for the cab??? Just explain how?? it has the same design for the cab even brings air from outside to inside just like the heater core for ice car but instead it's either a resistance heater inplace of heater core same principles and they aren't even close to being same pressure your house has.. I build houses for living so I know they have good positive air pressure after we do the vapor barrier
And yes I do know what I'm talking about... but you sound like a condescending as$ hat that knows it all
This is all a fabricated problem. We do not need to be doing any of this. I refuse to have "range anxiety" or kow-tow to my vehicles. I will never give up my ice engine. It's obvious some people want "special needs" vehicles. Some kind of disorder. I think the people looking for ev vehicles from Ford are diehard 'Found On Road Dead' lovers and know Ford's ice vehicles are rolling grenades, so they are desperately hoping that going the ev route is the answer. Its not.
It's an expensive toy at best. smh.
Well said 👏
Interesting video. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks! Appreciate the kind words ✌️
For a reality check: EV adoption is very strong in Norway (which knows a little about winter, and about characteristic EV range loss).
Norway is a very small country. Range is not such a big issue.
It takes 4 days of hard driving to get from the Atlantic Ocean to the Pacific ocean. It is a 20 hours hard drive from south Florida to northern Michigan. We have states that are larger than many countries. Many of States here in the US are not very populated. So what works in Europe may not work here. They may work for city slickers but not in BFE.
Pfft my country has lakes bigger than Norway. Nobody is impressed that your country goes down to -4 LOL
A swing and a miss
Another comparison to Europe, stop ✋
Reality check! They should test for this
In my ICE car, I often drive with the heat as ow as possible. Snow doesn't stick to the windows, and I don't get ice build up on the windows. If I use the heat, I will turn off the heater, and blow cold thru the car several blocks from where I'll park, to cool the car.
Did they test for this? Wtf?
I put diesel heater on my lightning lol
So what you are saying is to not use your EV vehicle because you are going to drain your battery. Thank about that for a minute why would you buy an EV vehicle if you can’t use it to its full potential…
I drive 400 miles a week to go to work, would i be saving money if buy this truck? Or is it almost the same as my gas f150?
As always great info.
What can’t a gas engine do?
Ford Motor Company
The real message
Please buy the more expensive version you will be happier and reduce stress.
Great video!
Thanks friend! Hope you had a fantastic Thanksgiving!
Thanks Larry. !
They knew a heat pump or at least a PTC heater was best but of course they’ll save that for the next gen 🤦♂️
So you're saying when the EV gets stuck on the snowed expressways, all traffic completely stopped, don't use the heater. It won't last? I don't see people getting hyped over something like this. It doesn't work. Next we need to see how bad a Vegas summer drains the batteries- do the air conditioners suffer the same power draw and shouldn't be used? The recharge time varies so much per charge station, and that station can vary. Ya'll go ahead and hype these things, but let's stop subsidizing them and the power stations. Ya want it, ya pay for it. Leave my diesel along. It cranks, and I can get warm just fine. I enjoyed your video, points out WHY would I ever want an EV. AND Greta Thunberg is leading this push? Pushed Germany and the EU into a freezing winter, give up drilling. Bbrrrrr.
Like clockwork, every November starts the "what happened to my range" posts and videos. Being a northerner myself I would never consider an EV with less than 300 miles range just because I know from experience what happens when temps drop below 50.
Wow awesome save!
Any word on if Ford will be making the 2023 model with a heat pump for better efficiency in the cold? Also, would it help to have a heating mat below the truck when it's parked? To radiate heat up to the battery and keep it warm while stationary...
There has to be a heat / cooling pump. I think only the Nissan Leaf doesnt.
So
We own you! Is all I’m hearing
Sweatshirt is cool
FORD F-d up. My 2016 Model X gets more range than that in Minnesota at -35 below! Don’t buy a FORD.
A model X isn’t a truck.
Just wait until next winter.
Hey Larry who was the big winner for the charger ?
Hoping to get that announcement out soon!
How is your Lightning coming Larry? You ordered a few weeks before me I think - Do you have a build date? estimated delivery date? Still excited?
Nothing :(
@@larryl That is CRAZY!!! It must be something to do with a back log for the SR versions.. I order 10/19 a Lariat ER and have a build date of 12/12
@m g If you don't mind me asking - when was your build date? what part of the country are you in? I'm just trying to put a timeline on how long it may take for the truck to arrive with my 12/12 build date
@m g awesome! Not a very good chance of me getting mine before Jan 1st then.. I'm only 3 hours west of Detroit
invest in a battery-heated jacket
12v heated lap blanket
Why would you want these things? I understand the cars. I think 0 to 60 in 2 seconds is awesome and pulling your eyeballs back into your skull is amazing. But for a truck? It just doesn't make sense.
This vehicle is too fucking massive to be a good fit for an EV platform. Too fucking big, let's get it down to a Maverick size and it'll sell like crazy.
Electric EVS Not Really Not Ready.
What kind of cheese do you like with your wine? I don't drive more than 50 miles in a day so this doesn't matter to me at all. And I bet most of the people complaining on here don't either. Plus I'd say that half the other complainers could plug in at their destination if they asked.
Swiss
I love Hydrocarbons. You’re just displacing your carbon footprint to someone else. Hilarious Fools
ALL EV have this issues very easy fix. keep it plugged in at night to the charger and set a departure time in the app so it pre condition the battery before you need to leave and also get the cabin warmed up for you, My 22 Tesla Model X Plaid as the same issue. New EV owners are blowing this way out of control.. Just all need to work together and Educate people
bullshit
Da!
FIRST!!
Biden would just tell you to not go so far or slow down to 40!!
Thanks Larry. !