Nobody is gonna see this, but 1301 is now easy to convert to birdshead grip with the GG&G adapters (either Mossberg or Remington stock versions, though I hear the Remington adapter is slightly thinner/lower profile) and a Shockwave Raptor grip. The newest version 1301 Mod 2 is also straight out of the box optimized with “pro-loader” and new forend with mlok slots for a handstop, though for my short arms I needed a cantilever picatinny section to bring that mounting point closer.
Aridus (mossberg only), SJ hardware (remington only), and rowe tactical (mossberg and remington) also make stock adapters. Aridus comes in polymer on their site, but Beretta themselves and some others have the CNC version. The Aridus polymer looks the best IMO. Other manufacturers have lines/curvatures that match either the magpul stock or the 1301, but the lines don't match up on the raptor grip. The Aridus polymer seems more of a universal fit. If the lines and shapes still don't line up, it's probably easier to sand down a bit since it's polymer. Some people said mossberg doesn't work. Not sure if the bolt is just a bit too short due to the adapter. Bolt is a 5/16-18 (I think it's the coarse thread).
@@GTari97 Thanks for the info! Updated: As far as I can tell only the GG&G adapter and the updated polymer Aridus adapter have spring buffered bolt that replaces a similar part in the OEM stock. Either way never heard of anybody having issues with non buffered adapters so they are all probably fine and as you said up to aesthetics. For me the buffer+lower cost ($65 vs $94) and I preferred metal part, swung me towards the GG&G adapter.
I bought a 12 gauge Mossberg 500 many years ago that came with a 27” long barrel, 18” short barrel, shoulder stock, pistol grip and heat shield. I put the short barrel on and bought the birds head grip from cheaper than dirt and basically have what the Black Aces is, except it isn’t auto, it’s a pump. The birds head grip doesn’t slap your palm like the pistol grip did. The pistol grip had very little angle to so it was close to 90 degrees from the receiver and would transmit the full energy right into your hand. The birds head grip is better than the pistol grip if recoil is an issue.
Thanks for your focus on this type of weapon. Good information. Just one point I would make. If you spent a lot of time in the field --- not on a range, etc. --- you would eventually realize that though a tang safety is more convenient, it is rather easily disengaged but a crossbows safety won't be readily disengaged either inadvertently or by rough handling. It is very reliable. I have used both and can tell you that the choice is between speed and convenience on one hand and the certainty of safety on the other. I always opt for the latter if I have a choice. Thanks again for your useful information.
Good video, clear and informative. Do you have weights on these three guns with the birdshead grips? The Remington is 5.94 pounds; the Black Ace 6.4 pounds but with a full stock and (I think) an 18 inch barrel; the Beretta 1301 I haven't found. I like the Remington for the extra gas ports and the low recoil and its small size; the safety placement is likely not an issue for me as I am unfamiliar with crossbolt safeties and shotguns in general. I want one strictly for bear & moose defense in deep bush.
Bro I've been searching and searching for info on the ace. Your comparison & knowledge is very appreciated. Thank you for taking the time and making this video. 10 days till I can pick up mine.
You don’t mean “Versa max” if you’re talking about making a “TC” Remington setup: You would have to start with the Remington V3. The Versa Max has the spring in the stock like a Benelli, so you can’t do a birdshead Versa Max, but the V3’s have the dual springs in the receiver, which is why those were perfect for the TAC 13.
I wonder if you could mill into the wooden furniture on the foregrip and drill in some kind of bracket or ring around the bottom and sides to make an optic mount.
You can put an optic on your pro S max I’ve ran optics and scopes on my pro S max for the last year plus. You just have to get the correct Picatinny rail mount that installs on the top of the shotgun.... check out my pro series s max video.
Hey what rail did you get for your pro s bro. Ive been loooking at the shockwave quad rail I just haven't pulled the trigger on it yet (pun intended). Im afraid it wouldn't fit. What's your thought.
I just picked up a v3 tac 13 and the stock mounting point for accessories is almost in line with the end of the barrel. Do you have it mounted on something else? Or is that where you mounted the light to act as a hand stop?
You have truly figured out the secret magic of the pistol grip shotgun. I'm continuously playing catchup. I just got a Tac-14 that I'm setting up like yours with the TLR7 for added recoil control. Now I need a 1301 though. Did you custom modify the raptor grip? Using an Aridus adapter?
Sam Done thanks. Aridus adapter. The grip had to be modified and a custom bolt had to be machined- They should be available on the website by Q2 this year.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 Damn man Canada.... although I heard export restrictions changed this year with the state department. Look into it and youll get my business!
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 Bro, if you are not using a 26" “firearm,” but a reg title 1 shotgun, and not one w a tang safety, what about using a pistol grip type stock, i mean one that has a seperste pistol grip part from the shoulder stock part, and just cut the stock down so you have a short down so you have a short cheek rest that is more inline and parallel w the bore and suitable for the optic? Jus a thought. Thank you
I completely wrote the birdshead off as a dumb gimmick after trying one on an 870. If I see someone with one on a semi-auto I'll see if they're willing to let me put a few rounds through it.
I must say that I think a Stoeger m3000 with an adaptor for taking a Mossberg stock/grip works well as an affordable alternative to the 1301. It's a bit costlier than an S-Max. It's inertia operated, though, so there's that.
Hey thanks for the video, I bought your strap for my 590 SHockwave best invention for the birds head grip ever. WHy you haven't won some sort of award or recognition is beyond me. Also could you share what adapter and where to get it that you used to attach the birds head grip to the Beretta 1301???? If you have , sorry i missed it. I have been looking for that solution for ever and a day. thanks again
Thank you! I have an instructional post in my Patreon account detailing how to modify the 1301. That and all my instructional videos are available to All-Access patrons.
Any reliability issued with the black aces? Tfbtv did a video where they killed the full sized version in less than 500 rounds. It seems like the best bang for the buck, and i probably won't put 500 through it in a year realistically, but i like a firearm with good quality control.
There’s QC issues. The good ones I’ve gotten run thousands of shells. I’ve had mostly good ones. I’ve had 1 that stopped running after ~1k shells. I’ve had another that didn’t run out of the box.
I don’t know of any guns that will reliably cycle mini shells (even with adapter) to a level I would bet my life on that aren’t specifically chambers for the mini shells.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 Thanks for the reply. I didn't realize so many guns don't like them. A pity because on the new short shotguns, minishells would really help with their limited capacity. I used to use them in my Benelli Nova. I probably had 200 minishells through it and a couple thousand 2 3/4 - 3.5" shells through it without ever having a minishell jam or fail to feed/extract. I used to mix all kinds of lengths up in the tube without issues as well. I wonder what's Benelli did different with their feeding design? Clearly they got something right, or I just had a unicorn copy.
@@tomyork8815 in static range conditions, with a solid shooter that is good with very repeatable and deliberate cycling, they will run in those guns, and mossberg pumps with an adapter. Under stress, and with position and movement complexity, I see frequent fail to feed. I’ve heard of unicorn guns that are only chambers for minis that run them reliably. I’d love to get my hands on one.
you can put optic on the pro series s max. i just got one and it has a dovetail on it. you just get a dovetail to picatinny adaptor. peace. hey, can you post a link to the light adaptor on the front of the barrel of all of those to mount your lights? i freaking sold my pos 887 nitro mag and forgot to take it off! i think i had the same one. thanks
Do you still think the Black Aces Tactical Pro Series S Max is a great gun? Black Aces Tactical gets alot of bad press!! But I think cycling problems with the Pro Series S caused that.
I’ve never had a cycling issue. Maybe an issue in the short barrels? No idea. These are an extremely good value. More reliable and less complex to operate than any pump gun, and a helluva lot more gentle
James M I’ve not had any issue with lighter loads like the Walmart Federal #8. Black Aces recommends break-in with 50 full power shells of buckshot or slugs.
I hope the Black Aces launch a gen 2 that is optic/micro dot compatible. I’m holding off buying one just in case that becomes an option. Otherwise it’s perfect.
I think you are missing the point of the tac13, ima it’s for in home and the 13” shot pattern will open or spread more in the distance of a room. To break that down what may have been a near miss is now a hole even if it’s just one pellet of buckshot. And why worry about the optics at the range you encounter in a house with a 13” 12 gauge well enough said that’s why they call them a scatter gun and with a 13 inch barrel you get a lot of scatter…
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 I purchased your strap... I didn't know how to install it properly but your install video helped - the strap great!!!!! thanks
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 good to know, I'll keep that in mind. I first thought these birdshead shotguns were just an ATF-nose thumbing gimmick but, your videos changed my mind on the matter. I'm about 60% the way to selling one of my "redundant" guns in order to expand my collection into this nice.
I have a hard time believing any 1301 would beat any V3. I’ve owned both and the V3 is far superior in recoil mitigation alone. The 1301 is horrible with recoil. I even put a Kick Off stock on mine and the V3 was way better. The gas system in the 1301 gets so dirty after about 500 rounds. And as for a fast gun? Maybe 5 people could handle that kind of speed. The rest of the world is just kidding themselves. Most people can’t even outrun a Stoeger shotgun and they are the slowest cycling shotguns on the planet. I’ll take a V3 over any other shotgun made. I even sold my M4 because the V3 has the same gas system. And you can find them for 7-1000 all day long. Parts are getting hard to find but now that Remington is back up and running, maybe we’ll see more parts for these fantastic guns. The 1301 is a fun gun to shoot as long as it’s target loads. Put in some slugs or buckshot and you’ll beat your shoulder up like a pump shotgun. Pick up a V3 and you wonder why you ever bought anything else.
Im not sure why your criteria for owning a short distance scatter gun is that it must accomodate an optic . Its a shotgun it doesnt even need a bead sight . Not every gun requires a bunch of shit on it its not a swiss army knife
You just called a Beretta 1301 a piece of junk. You're either ignorant to what Beretta makes, or you're a Remington fanboy. Either way please reevaluate
@@jim8123 I'm a fanboy of what works. I bought all three and after personally testing them I kept the Remington. It has the lowest recoil of the three and it shoots any load whether high or low power without any malfunction. Ignorant would apply to anybody who voted for Bozo Biden. Did I just describe you?
Who was talking about Biden? I was talking about how calling a 1301 a trash gun is a demonstrably false statement. Are you so insecure that you had to bring in politics?
Nobody is gonna see this, but 1301 is now easy to convert to birdshead grip with the GG&G adapters (either Mossberg or Remington stock versions, though I hear the Remington adapter is slightly thinner/lower profile) and a Shockwave Raptor grip. The newest version 1301 Mod 2 is also straight out of the box optimized with “pro-loader” and new forend with mlok slots for a handstop, though for my short arms I needed a cantilever picatinny section to bring that mounting point closer.
Aridus (mossberg only), SJ hardware (remington only), and rowe tactical (mossberg and remington) also make stock adapters.
Aridus comes in polymer on their site, but Beretta themselves and some others have the CNC version. The Aridus polymer looks the best IMO. Other manufacturers have lines/curvatures that match either the magpul stock or the 1301, but the lines don't match up on the raptor grip. The Aridus polymer seems more of a universal fit. If the lines and shapes still don't line up, it's probably easier to sand down a bit since it's polymer.
Some people said mossberg doesn't work. Not sure if the bolt is just a bit too short due to the adapter. Bolt is a 5/16-18 (I think it's the coarse thread).
@@GTari97 Thanks for the info!
Updated: As far as I can tell only the GG&G adapter and the updated polymer Aridus adapter have spring buffered bolt that replaces a similar part in the OEM stock.
Either way never heard of anybody having issues with non buffered adapters so they are all probably fine and as you said up to aesthetics. For me the buffer+lower cost ($65 vs $94) and I preferred metal part, swung me towards the GG&G adapter.
I bought a 12 gauge Mossberg 500 many years ago that came with a 27” long barrel, 18” short barrel, shoulder stock, pistol grip and heat shield. I put the short barrel on and bought the birds head grip from cheaper than dirt and basically have what the Black Aces is, except it isn’t auto, it’s a pump. The birds head grip doesn’t slap your palm like the pistol grip did. The pistol grip had very little angle to so it was close to 90 degrees from the receiver and would transmit the full energy right into your hand. The birds head grip is better than the pistol grip if recoil is an issue.
Wow, that was fast. Thanks for making this video so quickly. Great information. Looks like I’ll have to get that BHG for my 1301 and have some fun...
Thanks for your focus on this type of weapon. Good information.
Just one point I would make. If you spent a lot of time in the field --- not on a range, etc. --- you would eventually realize that though a tang safety is more convenient, it is rather easily disengaged but a crossbows safety won't be readily disengaged either inadvertently or by rough handling. It is very reliable.
I have used both and can tell you that the choice is between speed and convenience on one hand and the certainty of safety on the other.
I always opt for the latter if I have a choice.
Thanks again for your useful information.
Good video, clear and informative. Do you have weights on these three guns with the birdshead grips? The Remington is 5.94 pounds; the Black Ace 6.4 pounds but with a full stock and (I think) an 18 inch barrel; the Beretta 1301 I haven't found. I like the Remington for the extra gas ports and the low recoil and its small size; the safety placement is likely not an issue for me as I am unfamiliar with crossbolt safeties and shotguns in general. I want one strictly for bear & moose defense in deep bush.
Great info, thanks
Bro I've been searching and searching for info on the ace. Your comparison & knowledge is very appreciated. Thank you for taking the time and making this video. 10 days till I can pick up mine.
You don’t mean “Versa max” if you’re talking about making a “TC” Remington setup: You would have to start with the Remington V3. The Versa Max has the spring in the stock like a Benelli, so you can’t do a birdshead Versa Max, but the V3’s have the dual springs in the receiver, which is why those were perfect for the TAC 13.
The new BAT Pro S Max firearm comes with a milled receiver for Mossberg pattern
Got me so excited seeing that birds head Beretta, then I read the comments and found out it doesn't actually exist, not in a way I can buy anyway. 🙃
Nice review!
I wonder if you could mill into the wooden furniture on the foregrip and drill in some kind of bracket or ring around the bottom and sides to make an optic mount.
You can put an optic on your pro S max I’ve ran optics and scopes on my pro S max for the last year plus. You just have to get the correct Picatinny rail mount that installs on the top of the shotgun.... check out my pro series s max video.
Hey what rail did you get for your pro s bro. Ive been loooking at the shockwave quad rail I just haven't pulled the trigger on it yet (pun intended). Im afraid it wouldn't fit. What's your thought.
I just picked up a v3 tac 13 and the stock mounting point for accessories is almost in line with the end of the barrel. Do you have it mounted on something else? Or is that where you mounted the light to act as a hand stop?
Does the Mossberg 930 not accept the shockwave grip?
What optic do you like? Will a low budget red dot sight work?
Finally, just got my Tac-13! What rail are you using to mount the optic. Thanks
Aridus CROM
You have truly figured out the secret magic of the pistol grip shotgun.
I'm continuously playing catchup.
I just got a Tac-14 that I'm setting up like yours with the TLR7 for added recoil control.
Now I need a 1301 though.
Did you custom modify the raptor grip? Using an Aridus adapter?
Sam Done thanks. Aridus adapter. The grip had to be modified and a custom bolt had to be machined- They should be available on the website by Q2 this year.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 Damn man Canada.... although I heard export restrictions changed this year with the state department.
Look into it and youll get my business!
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918
Bro, if you are not using a 26" “firearm,” but a reg title 1 shotgun, and not one w a tang safety, what about using a pistol grip type stock, i mean one that has a seperste pistol grip part from the shoulder stock part, and just cut the stock down so you have a short down so you have a short cheek rest that is more inline and parallel w the bore and suitable for the optic? Jus a thought. Thank you
Any thoughts on what you like best for a stocked 18inch shotgun for a patrol function?
I completely wrote the birdshead off as a dumb gimmick after trying one on an 870. If I see someone with one on a semi-auto I'll see if they're willing to let me put a few rounds through it.
I must say that I think a Stoeger m3000 with an adaptor for taking a Mossberg stock/grip works well as an affordable alternative to the 1301. It's a bit costlier than an S-Max.
It's inertia operated, though, so there's that.
How is the 1301 operated?
@@timmysummer7464 if its not inertia, its gas, as are most autos
@@timmysummer74641301 is a rotating bolt gas operated system. You can Google “blink gas system beretta” for the full description.
What birdshead grip is that on the Beretta?
Idk why people seam to have trouble with recoil on birdshead grip. I shoot 3” mag through my shockwave and it’s no biggie
Do you still recommend the black aces pro s max? How has it held up?
Did you purchase the S Max on your own (full retail) or were you given it and/or given a discount by Black Aces for review?
yasonf I purchased a small fleet of them for use in classes. No discount for review.
Demonstrated Concepts LLC thanks. It just gives your review that much more legitimacy vs. getting the shotgun for free for review.
8:46 my favorite shotgun on the table
How did you get a birds head grip on the 1301? I can only find the regular 1301 with a fixed stock.
James Blanc this is the only one in existence. I had parts machined to convert it.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 is this something anyone can do? How would one even do this?
Hey thanks for the video, I bought your strap for my 590 SHockwave best invention for the birds head grip ever. WHy you haven't won some sort of award or recognition is beyond me. Also could you share what adapter and where to get it that you used to attach the birds head grip to the Beretta 1301???? If you have , sorry i missed it. I have been looking for that solution for ever and a day. thanks again
Thank you! I have an instructional post in my Patreon account detailing how to modify the 1301. That and all my instructional videos are available to All-Access patrons.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 ok thanks what’s a patreon account? Do I have to sign up. ?
what flash light u use on promax any link ? thanks
black aces makes bullpup guns. you ever work with them?
Any reliability issued with the black aces? Tfbtv did a video where they killed the full sized version in less than 500 rounds. It seems like the best bang for the buck, and i probably won't put 500 through it in a year realistically, but i like a firearm with good quality control.
There’s QC issues. The good ones I’ve gotten run thousands of shells. I’ve had mostly good ones. I’ve had 1 that stopped running after ~1k shells. I’ve had another that didn’t run out of the box.
Need something like this for my rv. Can’t travel with sbs, like sbr. What jurisdictions treat tac13 like a sbs?
Did I miss why the Baretta is no longer available?
Wondering why the Mossberg 590 ShockWave wasn't in the group?🤔
This video is focused on auto loading variants. Of the pump action variants, the Shockwave is the best I’ve encountered.
U need a weaver mount rail. It's an older style.what they had before everything is mlok lol
Did u add to urs is that a dove tail
Forgot to talk about why the 1301 isn't for sale.
If I understood you correctly, the Black Aces’ only benefit was price. Is that correct?
Yep. Since posting, I’ve noted a sharp decline in the QC of their guns.
Will any of these cycle with minishells?
In particular I'm interested in the Black Aces.
I don’t know of any guns that will reliably cycle mini shells (even with adapter) to a level I would bet my life on that aren’t specifically chambers for the mini shells.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 Thanks for the reply. I didn't realize so many guns don't like them. A pity because on the new short shotguns, minishells would really help with their limited capacity.
I used to use them in my Benelli Nova. I probably had 200 minishells through it and a couple thousand 2 3/4 - 3.5" shells through it without ever having a minishell jam or fail to feed/extract. I used to mix all kinds of lengths up in the tube without issues as well.
I wonder what's Benelli did different with their feeding design? Clearly they got something right, or I just had a unicorn copy.
@@tomyork8815 in static range conditions, with a solid shooter that is good with very repeatable and deliberate cycling, they will run in those guns, and mossberg pumps with an adapter.
Under stress, and with position and movement complexity, I see frequent fail to feed.
I’ve heard of unicorn guns that are only chambers for minis that run them reliably. I’d love to get my hands on one.
you can put optic on the pro series s max. i just got one and it has a dovetail on it. you just get a dovetail to picatinny adaptor. peace. hey, can you post a link to the light adaptor on the front of the barrel of all of those to mount your lights? i freaking sold my pos 887 nitro mag and forgot to take it off! i think i had the same one. thanks
You can. I did. 11mm to pic adapter works... but is never going to be as robust as the tapped pic rail offered on the series x.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 do u have a link for the dovetail rail mount
Has urs held up
@@hawks4evaa not ideal, but still going strong
Who makes the 1308?
Are there any mossberg shotguns that are semi auto that fit with your category since they have a thumb safety?
None that I’ve found
Mossberg has an 18" Model 930 Semi. Might fit the bill. Hadn't looked at grip compatibility.
@@hiskid13 I believe it has a recoil tube in the stock
Would this Recoil strap work on an AR Platform? For example, an AR-10 or a AR-15?
No, because there is not that much recoil on those rifle platforms. These are 12 guage shotguns, my dude
Where’d you get the birds head grip for the 1301?
I suspect it's via something like the aridus industries stock adapter and a mossberg pattern bird's head
Im trying to find birds head grip for the beretta 1301, who sells it, and why does it not shown up in google searches?
Doesn’t exist. Providing the parts list and instructions to my all access patrons.
Demonstrated Concepts LLC - i found the adapter
Do you still think the Black Aces Tactical Pro Series S Max is a great gun?
Black Aces Tactical gets alot of bad press!!
But I think cycling problems with the Pro Series S caused that.
I’ve never had a cycling issue. Maybe an issue in the short barrels? No idea. These are an extremely good value. More reliable and less complex to operate than any pump gun, and a helluva lot more gentle
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 gentle, as in recoil I presume!
One important thing I want to know how’s the reliability of these using lighter loads such as bird shot? Do any of these jam more than others ? Thanks
James M I’ve not had any issue with lighter loads like the Walmart Federal #8. Black Aces recommends break-in with 50 full power shells of buckshot or slugs.
So are you using 18” shotguns and just swap out the stock?
That is my preference. True shorties have legal complications and capacity issues.
What about these in 20 gauge for the more recoil sensitive types?
Low recoil 12ga loads are as soft as 20ga loads that I’ve tried
"Semi-auto" dude!
I hope the Black Aces launch a gen 2 that is optic/micro dot compatible. I’m holding off buying one just in case that becomes an option. Otherwise it’s perfect.
DrTuckles its out. Pro Series X. They are shipping them out as fast as they get them. Haven’t gotten my hands on one yet. I will.
I think you are missing the point of the tac13, ima it’s for in home and the 13” shot pattern will open or spread more in the distance of a room. To break that down what may have been a near miss is now a hole even if it’s just one pellet of buckshot. And why worry about the optics at the range you encounter in a house with a 13” 12 gauge well enough said that’s why they call them a scatter gun and with a 13 inch barrel you get a lot of scatter…
Pattern size is the same at 13” barrel length as it is at 20” barrel length. Watch any of my range videos if you need confirmation of that
Where can I purchase the hand strap for the grip?
Amazon. Recoil Strap. Thanks!
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 I purchased your strap... I didn't know how to install it properly but your install video helped - the strap great!!!!! thanks
Can put a pistol brace on them
Where do you even get a birdshead grip for a 1301?
The parts list is available to all my patrons.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 good to know, I'll keep that in mind. I first thought these birdshead shotguns were just an ATF-nose thumbing gimmick but, your videos changed my mind on the matter. I'm about 60% the way to selling one of my "redundant" guns in order to expand my collection into this nice.
Can u use the mini shells in the autos?
No
Can you confirm the model for the 1301?
SARainey I’m using a Gen1 1301T
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 i think the question was what company made that?
@@foshos I made that
Does it have dove tail to add rail
Everything but black aces is drilled and tapped. All the black aces have the dove tail
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 thank u for prompt reply. The dovetail should work may not be as sturdy but outside of practice it will be under the bed
doom slayer!
I'll stick with my Shockwave.
I have a hard time believing any 1301 would beat any V3. I’ve owned both and the V3 is far superior in recoil mitigation alone. The 1301 is horrible with recoil. I even put a Kick Off stock on mine and the V3 was way better. The gas system in the 1301 gets so dirty after about 500 rounds. And as for a fast gun? Maybe 5 people could handle that kind of speed. The rest of the world is just kidding themselves. Most people can’t even outrun a Stoeger shotgun and they are the slowest cycling shotguns on the planet. I’ll take a V3 over any other shotgun made. I even sold my M4 because the V3 has the same gas system. And you can find them for 7-1000 all day long. Parts are getting hard to find but now that Remington is back up and running, maybe we’ll see more parts for these fantastic guns. The 1301 is a fun gun to shoot as long as it’s target loads. Put in some slugs or buckshot and you’ll beat your shoulder up like a pump shotgun. Pick up a V3 and you wonder why you ever bought anything else.
So put a regular stock on the Tech 13 you're ready to go.
Bro, 3/8" to Picatinny rail adapter, low profile, Amazon, $11 and your set
u need better mic
Im not sure why your criteria for owning a short distance scatter gun is that it must accomodate an optic . Its a shotgun it doesnt even need a bead sight . Not every gun requires a bunch of shit on it its not a swiss army knife
Get quality training
It's a short shotgun. Wtf needs an optic?
I returned my black aces the same day i bought it. What a pile of trash!
The Remington is a nice piece. The other two are junk!
You just called a Beretta 1301 a piece of junk. You're either ignorant to what Beretta makes, or you're a Remington fanboy. Either way please reevaluate
@@jim8123 I'm a fanboy of what works. I bought all three and after personally testing them I kept the Remington. It has the lowest recoil of the three and it shoots any load whether high or low power without any malfunction. Ignorant would apply to anybody who voted for Bozo Biden. Did I just describe you?
Who was talking about Biden? I was talking about how calling a 1301 a trash gun is a demonstrably false statement. Are you so insecure that you had to bring in politics?
@@jim8123 Whatever you say Joe
LOL, you are an idiot to choose Remington over a 1301. 1301s are favored over m4s. Tell me about the current state of Remington again....
Pumps are far more reliable.