My Dad's unit (605 TD) didn't reach the continent until Feb. '45, and they used 3-inch towed guns instead of M-36. He was "lucky" if you can call it that, that he got there when he did. He still saw enough to never talk about the war.
According to German records, and the combat diary of Schwere Panzerjager Abteilung 653 no Jagdtigers were employed in the Ardennes. They tried to get there but bombed out railways caused them to be redeployed to Nordwind instead. They were misidentified Jagdpanthers at Assenois.
Being under direct fire I would assume is the most terrifying thing to endure but there's just something particularly horrifying about being in a giant armored box but being obliterated by high velocity death.
They probably didn't feel a thing with such an explosion. I doubt they found any body's, just pieces. I am sure the other operators seeing it got a shock. They probably thought they were impenetrable until then.
The wreck of the destroyed tank shows a clean break along the side weld of the front glacis plate. I wonder whether German welding was deficient in some way, causing the use of interlocking plates rather than a straight join. This ties with the wreck of the Bismarck, where part of the stern tore away at a bulkhead, multiple welds having failed. Similarly, later one side of the Tirpitz was detached. Perhaps a shortage of alloying elements was the cause, with imports restricted?
While very cool on paper, these giant tanks were very clumsy and unreliable. Definitely wouldn’t want to crew one of these “wonder” weapons. In fact I don’t think I’d want to be a tanker at all…
Compared to pilots, infantry, and etc tankers had one of the highest survival rates of the war. Roughly 8% of tankers died, 18% of riflemen died and at one point the US bomber crews were seeing 100% casualty rates. REMFs had the highest survival rates since the only thing they had to worry about was a papercut.
There were not as unreliable and clumsy as you think they were, most people would be surprised how fast they could move. They were certainly not suited for 200-300 km marsh through rough cross country, but for their intended role as a tank hunters in long range ambushes against the super heavy soviet tanks they had somewhat of a right to exist. In hindsight the investment in Stugs would have been the better idea, but in hindsight everyone is smarter.
I would rather have a tiger 2 and not a Jagdtieger because if the transmission breaks(or other technical bs happens) i can still use the turret to attack flankers. When the crew doesnt discard the tank because it doesnt work correctly
The other 2 tank commanders must’ve shit their pants seeing one of their own destroyed by the allies. And also probably kept them aware of the downsides of their own tank as well
Jagdtiger did not have a turret so I suspect the penetration was to the side of the casemate, The 90mm was little better in penetration than the old German 8.8cm Flak 36. But it remained the US Army's tank gun until replaced by the British L7 105mm in the early 1960s on the M-60. The M-36 Jackson was designed in 1943, but delayed due to the original T-53 carriage being rejected. The M-10 hull was chosen but a new turret had to me designed. The M-36 did not see action until late 1944.
Most TD were still 3 inch or Hellcats with 76. The 90, in my estimate, were less than 25% and were newer units with less combat experience. Even with these simple machines, don’t drop a M-10 gunner into a M-36 at the depot.
In contrast to US TD concept of mobility and rotating turrets at the expense of armor protection, Germans arrived at an armor at the expense of rotating turret and mobility TD concept.
Interesting to see the different countries' approach to design philosophy. I find the same to be fascinating in regards to firearms designs from that period, as well as aircraft. None of us were quite sure what would work and what wouldn't, not entirely. The first World War was an even better example of how much experimentation and different interpretations of warfare there were until we learned better methods.
@@bug9657 Considering how long a number of WW1 era (eg Springfield '03, K-98, M2HB) weapons remained in service, longevity might be a good metric for evaluating the quality of their design/designers.
Considering this tank destroyer was one of the German's wonder weapons to see it getting destroyed like that must have horrified the crews. They probably were expecting Shermans but the M36 had a more powerful 90mm cannon. In some ways it was America's best tank destroyer in terms of armor and armament. I'm not sure of it's overall performance but in this instance it was a game changer.
So, the mighty Tigers ran like little pussycats....... instead of engaging in manly combat, they just ran away, to which the rest of outfit melted away...... to live to run another day.
Thanks for the video. The Wehraboos are so intent on degrading the fighting abilities of American soldiers in World War II and the "inferiority' of American armor. It's history like this brings forward the stoic determination of American soldiers and courage and capabilities of American armor crews.
The only way that much damage was caused is through an internal ammo explosion or a 155 artillery shell hit square on the roof. Ammo storage was by individual container or in a way to limit flash explosions. A 90 AP would cause shrapnel damage inside, but it had to be a 1-1,000 shot to set off an ammo explosion.
INTERESTING that the jadgtiger turret couldnt rotate and yet it was penetrable by a 76mm round and a bazooka round at close range-in fact one jagdtiger was destroyed by the 1st us army by bazooka at Aachen in a side turret hit and was highly vulnerable to sympathetic ammunition explosions-real design errors
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Another great video, keep up the good work!!
My Dad's unit (605 TD) didn't reach the continent until Feb. '45, and they used 3-inch towed guns instead of M-36. He was "lucky" if you can call it that, that he got there when he did. He still saw enough to never talk about the war.
3 officers in Creighton Abrams' Bn. stated they encountered a platoon of 4 Jagdtigers on 26 Dec. South of Assenois on the way to Bastogne.
According to German records, and the combat diary of Schwere Panzerjager Abteilung 653 no Jagdtigers were employed in the Ardennes. They tried to get there but bombed out railways caused them to be redeployed to Nordwind instead.
They were misidentified Jagdpanthers at Assenois.
Being under direct fire I would assume is the most terrifying thing to endure but there's just something particularly horrifying about being in a giant armored box but being obliterated by high velocity death.
They probably didn't feel a thing with such an explosion. I doubt they found any body's, just pieces. I am sure the other operators seeing it got a shock. They probably thought they were impenetrable until then.
Thanks mate.
I got to see a Jagdtiger when it was at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds museum. It had a groove in the front armor where an AT round failed to penetrate.
The wreck of the destroyed tank shows a clean break along the side weld of the front glacis plate. I wonder whether German welding was deficient in some way, causing the use of interlocking plates rather than a straight join.
This ties with the wreck of the Bismarck, where part of the stern tore away at a bulkhead, multiple welds having failed. Similarly, later one side of the Tirpitz was detached.
Perhaps a shortage of alloying elements was the cause, with imports restricted?
Your channel ROCKS mate
While very cool on paper, these giant tanks were very clumsy and unreliable. Definitely wouldn’t want to crew one of these “wonder” weapons. In fact I don’t think I’d want to be a tanker at all…
Compared to pilots, infantry, and etc tankers had one of the highest survival rates of the war. Roughly 8% of tankers died, 18% of riflemen died and at one point the US bomber crews were seeing 100% casualty rates. REMFs had the highest survival rates since the only thing they had to worry about was a papercut.
There were not as unreliable and clumsy as you think they were, most people would be surprised how fast they could move. They were certainly not suited for 200-300 km marsh through rough cross country, but for their intended role as a tank hunters in long range ambushes against the super heavy soviet tanks they had somewhat of a right to exist. In hindsight the investment in Stugs would have been the better idea, but in hindsight everyone is smarter.
I would rather have a tiger 2 and not a Jagdtieger because if the transmission breaks(or other technical bs happens) i can still use the turret to attack flankers. When the crew doesnt discard the tank because it doesnt work correctly
Great video
The other 2 tank commanders must’ve shit their pants seeing one of their own destroyed by the allies. And also probably kept them aware of the downsides of their own tank as well
Tank destroyer vs. Tank destroyers/ Assault guns
Nice video.
Since you covered the 100th ID, you should do a video on their battle at Bitche....hence their nickname, Sons of Bicthe
Isn't Nancy pronounced "noncy"? I only learnt that the hard way when I used the city as a base for some travels in the area.
Jagdtiger did not have a turret so I suspect the penetration was to the side of the casemate, The 90mm was little better in penetration than the old German 8.8cm Flak 36. But it remained the US Army's tank gun until replaced by the British L7 105mm in the early 1960s on the M-60. The M-36 Jackson was designed in 1943, but delayed due to the original T-53 carriage being rejected. The M-10 hull was chosen but a new turret had to me designed. The M-36 did not see action until late 1944.
Jagdtiger: Heavier with A More Powerful Gun in A FIXED Turret
M-36: More Mobile with A Gun in A Rotating Turret.
But with an open turret and thinner armor.
@@ukasz-zm9qc There are always Trade-Offs
By this stage of the war . Allied tank destroyer doctrine was fine tuned .
Great defensive weapons. Especially with 100mm guns .
90mm*
Most TD were still 3 inch or Hellcats with 76. The 90, in my estimate, were less than 25% and were newer units with less combat experience. Even with these simple machines, don’t drop a M-10 gunner into a M-36 at the depot.
Side armor? What was the range and where were they facing?
In contrast to US TD concept of mobility and rotating turrets at the expense of armor protection, Germans arrived at an armor at the expense of rotating turret and mobility TD concept.
So did the Soviets. Same as the Germans.
Interesting to see the different countries' approach to design philosophy. I find the same to be fascinating in regards to firearms designs from that period, as well as aircraft. None of us were quite sure what would work and what wouldn't, not entirely. The first World War was an even better example of how much experimentation and different interpretations of warfare there were until we learned better methods.
@@bug9657 Considering how long a number of WW1 era (eg Springfield '03, K-98, M2HB) weapons remained in service, longevity might be a good metric for evaluating the quality of their design/designers.
@@PeterOConnell-pq6io That's certainly a good point. Many of those rifles still turn up today in the unlikeliest of places.
Great channel but this wasn't really a dule. The M36 Jackson is so underrated.
Considering this tank destroyer was one of the German's wonder weapons to see it getting destroyed like that must have horrified the crews. They probably were expecting Shermans but the M36 had a more powerful 90mm cannon. In some ways it was America's best tank destroyer in terms of armor and armament. I'm not sure of it's overall performance but in this instance it was a game changer.
I can only imagine if it happened the other way! 88 cannon sliceing through M36 coming in from one side and out the the other?
hardly a duel more like the jagdtiger got sniped
So, the mighty Tigers ran like little pussycats....... instead of engaging in manly combat, they just ran away, to which the rest of outfit melted away...... to live to run another day.
Thanks for the video. The Wehraboos are so intent on degrading the fighting abilities of American soldiers in World War II and the "inferiority' of American armor. It's history like this brings forward the stoic determination of American soldiers and courage and capabilities of American armor crews.
That jagdtiger was destroyed by a bazooka
The only way that much damage was caused is through an internal ammo explosion or a 155 artillery shell hit square on the roof. Ammo storage was by individual container or in a way to limit flash explosions. A 90 AP would cause shrapnel damage inside, but it had to be a 1-1,000 shot to set off an ammo explosion.
INTERESTING that the jadgtiger turret couldnt rotate and yet it was penetrable by a 76mm round and a bazooka round at close range-in fact one jagdtiger was destroyed by the 1st us army by bazooka at Aachen in a side turret hit and was highly vulnerable to sympathetic ammunition explosions-real design errors
It doesn’t have a turret
There were zero Jagdtigers at Aachen.
Jagdtiger is not a tank. It's a casemate TD.
WTF ? Jagdtiger is not a tank dude…
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Great video