most people ask for external rendering tips (plugins).... use maxon well calibrate every lighting and build every material.... it's easy to fool the eye, excellent info for farm application the cost is relatively good to charge for a good job that goes crazy I will use more often!!! nice video
wow, thanks.I'm very confused. I will look into this further. I found the tips you give are the most valuable thing about the video and kudos for that.
Pro Tip: OPTION+$ will get you the ¢ character on your mac keyboard. I was thrown off at 07:13 where it said 0,47$ in the comparison table. If it was actually $47.00, that would be very expensive if it was an animation! (PS - thanks for the review, very informative)
They count hyperthreading as cores, so a 8vCPU machine is actually just 4 cores, with hyperthreading enabled. You can find out more about the machines in the Google Cloud Engine documentation.
They charge virtual machines as physical ones too.....now we know why cloud computing is good business. Very similar to bank loans where you create something out of nothing and make money from that nothing.
Great Video, Thank you for including your cinebench score, it makes doing the math much easier. From your test scene results the 32core option looks to have roughly 2200 cinebench score. I have an 1800 frame video I need to render soon, I might give it a shot on zync.
Glad you found it helpful! You should definitely give Zync a try. At the moment it's the only render farm I use. Don't forget to pick the biggest option when rendering. It will save you money even if it looks more expensive. Share your results once you're done!
What a painful setup. Google, like Amazon and Microsoft, thinks artists are engineers. In the long run, it still makes sense to have your own renderfarm where you have much more control. For some strange reasons, people tend to forget that with cloud rendering, your internet access becomes your single-point-of-failure. If your ISP is down, will your client accept the reason for not meeting the project deadline is due to internet outage ? Another note : how does it deals with 3rd-party plugins ?
What Zync have to ISP down problems? Usually you've got log reports (from your ISP or router).. IF you use ISP for contract projects you should use company profile with your ISP. You're sure about AP quality and even if NT is lost/down, you can demand your "deadline" losts. Depends from agreement with ISP/client. But still Zync got nothing to do with that. it doesn't render online, you uploading scenes for render to gCloud rendering farm servers.
I haven't tried rendering a movie file but I would advise against it. With image sequences if something goes wrong with one of the renders you get to salvage some of your renders. With a movie file if something goes wrong with that render you lose everything. Apart from the fact that with image sequences you get to use more than one machines
If you have access to Quicktime Pro 7 you can do that. Other than that you can try compositing apps or video editing apps. After effects, Final cut Pro etc all support image sequences. Try and see if the programs you're using support them. Chances are they already do!
treeSway haha yeah it probably sounds this way but I think once you learn all the pitfalls everything else is smooth sailing. And I'm not sure any other service can beat the price. I will definitely give deadline a try. Thanks for the suggestion.
Hi, great video. Thank you for sharing your experience. One question, what is the best rule to use when deciding how many machines to request? I'm afraid they will charge me for machines that I request, but never actually used. Thanks.
Hey there. I would say always go for the maximum amount of machines. It might seem more expensive but your renders will finish faster. Don't forget that your charged hourly and not by the amount of machines used. So if your renders finish faster in most of the cases you will end up paying less. Hope that helps!
Just subscribed... I do short 1 minute motion array project templates but rendering these on my Mac can take upto 20 minutes and more.... is it costly to render these short 1 minute videos on zinc... ? Let’s say I upload 10
Without knowing the specs of your machine it's difficult to tell but I assume that the most expensive zync version will be probably 2 to 3 times faster than yours. Probably even faster than that. So a 20 minute render for the whole animation will take less than 10 minutes to render on Zync. The most expensive zync version is 4.51 euros per hour (www.zyncrender.com/#pricing). So that means it's going to be something like 1 euro or so for each 8-10 minute render. Best way to find out is by creating an account and testing the service with one of your own projects. You can monitor each render so if it goes over what you're willing to spend you can always stop the render.
Dimitris Katsafouros many thanks for your prompt response I’ll try it... so I can actually upload my after effects project to zync from my adobe after effects program?... is zync a plug-in I install in after effects?
I would say Zync is by far the cheapest solution. Once you get through the trouble of setting it up and learning the kinks you don't really have anything else to worry about. So I would still pick Zync. Rebus is quite good as well. I've used them several times and it works nicely but if you're budget conscious it's not the best solution. With Rebus it's like watching the meter on a cab ride. The number goes up and up and you just hope you're almost there. :D The ones that I'm mostly using nowadays are Zync and Rebus. I would say give them both a try and see what fits your needs. They both have free credits so you can test them out without breaking the bank!
Seemed incredibly buggy to me. Lots of UI freezing on screen, buttons suddenly not working anymore, and render errors. In fact, I never got a single successful render out of it.
Probably the demand is not so high for regular Adobe apps. Render times for 3D are usually much higher than After effects or Final Cut files. But in theory yes it could work if they installed the necessary software and adjusted things accordingly.
Thank you for sharing your experience, great information.
This was all new to me but I easily understood it because of the way you presented this video. Great job.
most people ask for external rendering tips (plugins).... use maxon well calibrate every lighting and build every material.... it's easy to fool the eye, excellent info for farm application the cost is relatively good to charge for a good job that goes crazy I will use more often!!! nice video
wow, thanks.I'm very confused.
I will look into this further. I found the tips you give are the most valuable thing about the video and kudos for that.
Pro Tip: OPTION+$ will get you the ¢ character on your mac keyboard. I was thrown off at 07:13 where it said 0,47$ in the comparison table. If it was actually $47.00, that would be very expensive if it was an animation! (PS - thanks for the review, very informative)
They count hyperthreading as cores, so a 8vCPU machine is actually just 4 cores, with hyperthreading enabled. You can find out more about the machines in the Google Cloud Engine documentation.
They charge virtual machines as physical ones too.....now we know why cloud computing is good business. Very similar to bank loans where you create something out of nothing and make money from that nothing.
Thanks! Really great review!
You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed it!
Great Video, Thank you for including your cinebench score, it makes doing the math much easier. From your test scene results the 32core option looks to have roughly 2200 cinebench score. I have an 1800 frame video I need to render soon, I might give it a shot on zync.
Glad you found it helpful! You should definitely give Zync a try. At the moment it's the only render farm I use. Don't forget to pick the biggest option when rendering. It will save you money even if it looks more expensive. Share your results once you're done!
great review!
What a painful setup. Google, like Amazon and Microsoft, thinks artists are engineers. In the long run, it still makes sense to have your own renderfarm where you have much more control. For some strange reasons, people tend to forget that with cloud rendering, your internet access becomes your single-point-of-failure. If your ISP is down, will your client accept the reason for not meeting the project deadline is due to internet outage ?
Another note : how does it deals with 3rd-party plugins ?
What Zync have to ISP down problems? Usually you've got log reports (from your ISP or router).. IF you use ISP for contract projects you should use company profile with your ISP. You're sure about AP quality and even if NT is lost/down, you can demand your "deadline" losts. Depends from agreement with ISP/client. But still Zync got nothing to do with that. it doesn't render online, you uploading scenes for render to gCloud rendering farm servers.
When I try to render I get .tiff files as output. How do you get to render it as a movie?
Keep it up! you just earned a subscriber!
I haven't tried rendering a movie file but I would advise against it. With image sequences if something goes wrong with one of the renders you get to salvage some of your renders. With a movie file if something goes wrong with that render you lose everything. Apart from the fact that with image sequences you get to use more than one machines
dimitris katsafouros Ya but converting the sequence into Image is a tedious work and I don't know which software to use in OSX El Capitan.
If you have access to Quicktime Pro 7 you can do that. Other than that you can try compositing apps or video editing apps. After effects, Final cut Pro etc all support image sequences. Try and see if the programs you're using support them. Chances are they already do!
dimitris katsafouros Cool 😀 Thanks for helping out 👍
Wow, sounds like 80% negative for about a 20% positive honestly. Have you looked at or used Thinkbox Deadline?
treeSway haha yeah it probably sounds this way but I think once you learn all the pitfalls everything else is smooth sailing. And I'm not sure any other service can beat the price. I will definitely give deadline a try. Thanks for the suggestion.
How about using octane render in cinema 4d with this zync..??
Have you tried and could you do a vid on Microsoft's azure ?
Azure doesn't offer C4D as far as I can see, but it does have vray
Hi, great video. Thank you for sharing your experience. One question, what is the best rule to use when deciding how many machines to request? I'm afraid they will charge me for machines that I request, but never actually used. Thanks.
Ha. Somehow my son's old account is mixed with mine. My name is Alex.
Hey there. I would say always go for the maximum amount of machines. It might seem more expensive but your renders will finish faster. Don't forget that your charged hourly and not by the amount of machines used. So if your renders finish faster in most of the cases you will end up paying less. Hope that helps!
Just subscribed... I do short 1 minute motion array project templates but rendering these on my Mac can take upto 20 minutes and more.... is it costly to render these short 1 minute videos on zinc... ? Let’s say I upload 10
Without knowing the specs of your machine it's difficult to tell but I assume that the most expensive zync version will be probably 2 to 3 times faster than yours. Probably even faster than that. So a 20 minute render for the whole animation will take less than 10 minutes to render on Zync. The most expensive zync version is 4.51 euros per hour (www.zyncrender.com/#pricing). So that means it's going to be something like 1 euro or so for each 8-10 minute render. Best way to find out is by creating an account and testing the service with one of your own projects. You can monitor each render so if it goes over what you're willing to spend you can always stop the render.
Dimitris Katsafouros many thanks for your prompt response I’ll try it... so I can actually upload my after effects project to zync from my adobe after effects program?... is zync a plug-in I install in after effects?
Thank you for your video! So which render farm do you recommend for doing animations?
I would say Zync is by far the cheapest solution. Once you get through the trouble of setting it up and learning the kinks you don't really have anything else to worry about. So I would still pick Zync.
Rebus is quite good as well. I've used them several times and it works nicely but if you're budget conscious it's not the best solution. With Rebus it's like watching the meter on a cab ride. The number goes up and up and you just hope you're almost there. :D
The ones that I'm mostly using nowadays are Zync and Rebus.
I would say give them both a try and see what fits your needs. They both have free credits so you can test them out without breaking the bank!
Great thank you!!!
Seemed incredibly buggy to me. Lots of UI freezing on screen, buttons suddenly not working anymore, and render errors. In fact, I never got a single successful render out of it.
this should works with after effects, final cut and premiere with the plug in, if cinema 4d work with zync why not after
Probably the demand is not so high for regular Adobe apps. Render times for 3D are usually much higher than After effects or Final Cut files. But in theory yes it could work if they installed the necessary software and adjusted things accordingly.
Please send me your test scene :) I would love to take a look on it on our render nodes :)
Are they still charging for every hour?? Im still confused on how the charging costs
Yes the cost is still per hour. I would say that price wise they cannot be beat. At least until now. Who knows what will come in the future!
And don't forget to hit the like button ;)
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1:50 - 2:28 Stop using Mac for 3D, FFS!!!