Vault-Tec Revealed: The Stories of Vaults 31, 32, 33 and the Vault Boy
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Vault-Tec's secrets are finally revealed in the Fallout Show. In this video we cover the origin of the Vault Boy, and the full stories of Vaults 31, 32, and 33. We also discover Vault-Tec's reason for the experiments in their vaults, and their ultimate goal.
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I like how, while everyone's designing the "perfect human conditions" for their vault experiments, Mr. House shrugs it off and bets on the surface dwellers as a force to be reckoned with
Not only that, but the last episodes Credits shows a Billboard in New Vegas advertising a Cryo Vault somewhere in New Vegas. This means that Mr House had a population of preserved pre-war people, whom I assume he planned to revive once New Vegas and the surrounding communities were under control and civilized. Mr House really did plan ahead. This is also probably what Lucy’s Dad is going to find.
@@jakespacepiratee3740 Wow I don't need see that, he really is a genius. I mean it makes sense, given that he "partners up" with the NCR for that casino money. He bets on the highest profits.
@@jakespacepiratee3740 that "cryo-vault" could have just been House selling his life extension technology to those with enough caps!
@@manofwarb well actually that’s different. A Cryo Vault puts you in a death-like preserved sleep. You are less woken up from it and more so revived.
Mr Houses life extension pod was different. His body was still at room temperature, alive and aging. He needed to be in this state in order to command his robotic armies. The Cryo Vault people were asleep, and meant to be revived upon the realization of Mr Houses plans. Obviously that never happened due to the destruction of New Vegas.
Interesting idea. Based on the new info, it's possible Mr. House designed Vault 21 just so Vault-Tec didn't suspect his lack of faith in them.
I loved Norm by the end. He's in a 1970's Conspiracy Thriller. Let's not forget he has done so many different jobs in the Vault. He probably has the most knowledge on how to run the place - a Jack of all traits. He's getting out.
Jack of all trades, master of none.
@@LSOP-but often times better than a master of one
My initial thought was “he’s gonna go buck wild on those cryo-humans as a threat to be let out”. The little buds’ buds isn’t going to let a stupid human (who won’t stand still to get poked, gosh darn it!) ruin his entire plan about super managers over the years to come. Better let that annoying human out. Preferably out through the FRONT door of vault 31 so Bud can be free of him (goodness, a robot brain thankfully doesn’t need to concern itself with radiation from the outside 🦾☺️ )
Norm's become one of my favs too.
@@Wolvesarechasingme you saw his face when he asked bud's roomba-brain..."we wiped th surface clean"? hopefully he gets out.somethin tells me he ain't gettin in no cryopod.
I fucking love the Vault-Tec story they did for their first season. It's easily the best part. How they explain the cartoon taking over his face, how the clothing was made to mirror his outfit.. damn. So many cool, small details.
Yeah the idea that THE vault boy also went on to be an insane cowboy ghoul is also really cool.
@@_aWiseMan That guy in Freeside must feel so vindicated rn.
@@_aWiseMan I believe though it hasn't been fully revealed yet they also have THE vault girl in the show, it's Steph the pregnant girl with the eyepatch. Her uncanny resemblance and being from vault 31 kinda gives it away.
@@ManBat420YO I NEVER NOTICED THE RESEMBLANCE
Fleshed out the world tenfold after this show. Loved how we got so many origins like the vault tech jumpsuits or vault boy n so many different things that we didn’t rlly need to know but they made it interesting as hell for us to watch
The haunting part is that he was dismissive about he could buy a vault slot... and she got passionate to emphasize the fact she had a good vault... implying bad vaults. Wow... that is a powerful piece of foreshadowing.
Definitely. Shows how evil and selfish she is. Sure she says she is doing it to protect her family but she is helping a truly evil corporation who seeks to profit from billions of deaths and cause untold suffering to 1000s of survivors. I really feel sorry for Howard. He went through hell and has been cursed to walk the earth in shame for 100s of years as a bitter old depressed ghoul. Can’t wait for season 2 and I’m glad Lucy has joined him.
I don't think his wife meant V33 as a 'good' vault, she had a very low opinion of Bud....
I doubt we've seen the good vaults where important people are, nobody with any sense wants to end up in a cryopod.
I never played the games, but that “dropping the bombs ourselves” line was a jaw dropper
It truly was, even when the games already were hinting that Vault Tec had a lot to do with the start of the Great War 💀
Fallout 1 & 2 and New Vegas are the ones with good writing. If Emil wrote the show it would be a nonsensical nightmare.
Didn't make any tho
@@TertorForssjeez guy chill out. I’m a massive fan of new vegas (it’s the first I played) and I hate fallout 4s story. but there’s no need to constantly hate on new fans. There’s no need to be an elitist. Everyone has their own taste and that’s fair enough. The show is excellent. I swear the hate it gets is so forced
@@lemonynora You're right, sorry.
Guess I was in a bad mood, I dislike people being elitist and hostile to new players and then act like it myself, classic. Deleted my comment.
Though I still dislike the show for retconning so heavy-handedly lol, its not bad its just the lore that twists my panties.
Cooper Howard is a really cool character. It feels like he’s a mix of John Wayne and Jimmy Stewart. I also like how he’s the origin of the Vault Tech mascot 😁👍🏼. In my opinion, the best parts of the show are the pre-war flashbacks. Cooper discovering Vault Techs true intentions is a legendary scene. Awesome video Ox!
He's also the ego of Todd Howard
I feel like he makes the show. I think the show wold be good without lucy an maxum but with out goul would suck
@@RafaelG92That's definitely a take 😅 I think Lucy is an amazing character
He is 3 quarters of the show for me, the other 2 are just the side quests lol
@@ItsWindHeregoosie was a good character but Max has idiot savant stupid luck
I’d actually argue Vault Tec didn’t drop the first bomb and was rather caught completely off guard by either China or US dropping theirs first. Think about it, there’s no ways that at that meeting that they didn’t discuss “the big day” where they would orchestrate the apocalypse. Yet so many Companies and personnel acted completely surprised and underprepared in the Games when it happened. Howard genuinely looks shocked when he sees the first Bomb, Mr Hoise had his Platinum Chip delivered one day too late and Just BARELY deactivated or destroyed all nearby warheads, Sinclair wasn’t inside his personal Vault in the Sierra Madre… there is way too much evidence that although Vault Tec wanted to be the ones to cause the big boom (the Vault Tec Rep in FO4 certainly acts like it’s soon approaching) but it actually happened way sooner then they planned, causing a mad scramble to get dwellers into the Vaults and save their skin. There is NO WAYS Howard’s Wife would have her daughter outside a Vault on a Hill on the big day Vault Tec prepared!! I bet this will be revealed Season 2, they wanted to cause it, but it was caused by another force, far sooner then they wanted.
or Vault-Tec double crossed them and launched realy to wipe out the competition and their debt to them. There was that shady dude in the rafters at the meeting, he could have just pressed the button on his own accord once all the "important" people were prepped and ready to go. This would explain why the kid was out there, why house was late, etc. I think they have a lot of threads they can pull on when it comes to season 2 forward.
@@theaychgee Yea The Big Empty is well.. pretty much abandoned and empty, despite all the crazy tech still there, tech that would absolutely ravage anyone who opposed someone who possessed it.
So it's safe to say Big MT leader is gone I'd say. Maybe they did do it early to remove all of the top execs so they'd have supreme control themselves, like you said, an ultimate double cross.
I think Oxhorn said the bombs didn't fall all at the same time, so for some places there was time to get to the vault, but not for others like we see in FO4. And the execs probably figured they didn't need to move right next to a vault since they'd get to choose when things happened, likely at least being at business meetings far away and might not have been able to make it in.
Or some of the might have been able to make it in and some not. I feel like that would make for a really compelling story. The execs having their plan be hamstringed and fall apart, confused and unsure what to do moving forward
@@theaychgeewhat do you mean by double crossing china?
I don't remember where I heard it, but someone mentioned Mr. House getting that platinum chip might have caused them(someone) to launch early cause they deemed it as some kind of threat. Vegas area did get hit with like 77 nukes.
@@PhurPher of course the “Big MT Leader” is gone. I said that in my OP. The Big MT Leader is Frederic Sinclair, owner of the high tech Casino Sierra Madre, and bjg sponsor for the Big Mountain Facility, of which his Casino was decked out with. Most likely for a high price, considering Mr Houses comments about him “losing money with a Casino”
Point being, He died outside Sierra Madre. He wasn’t inside his personal Vault when it happened. This strengthens my theory that although Vault Tec wanted to launch nukes first, they didn’t. That’s why they and all their sponsors at that meeting were so unprepared. It came way faster than they expected.
If you turn on closed captions while watching the show. When Bud Askins talks while being a brain in a jar. The captions name him "Brain-on-a-Roomba".
I saw that, I laughed so hard 🤣 😂
That got me good.
I only noticed it in his last scene and thought I was going crazy lmao
I saw that and just laughed too hard loudly 😂
Jonathan Nolan must have a sense of humor
When my son was younger, he started playing Fallout. I loved watching him play, and we would watch your videos together. He passed away in September 2023, and I know for a fact he would have loved the new series on Prine. Watching for him and I am glad I found your channel again. ☺️
Thank you so much for sharing that ❤❤ wishing you the best
My best condoleances
my Dad and I played Fallout together for years. Towards the end, it was one of the only things that we talked about together. We debated on if a tv show or movie was ever really gonna be made. He believed it. He died a week before it came out. I feel you. They'd be happy we are able to watch it now.
I’m sorry for the loss of your son - best wishes
İ am really sorry for your loss
I love how plot-wise this show ran with the arc words of New Vegas ("the game's rigged from the start", "Begin again..." by wiping the slate clean) yet thematically Vault-Tec responds the exact opposite of what Ulysses would have wanted in the wasteland (micromanagement to absolute free rein)
the look betty gives when she's telling him that she and his father had buried his mother haunts me, betty gave an incredible performance
I also really wanted to not dislike her early on in the series, when the other two council members are arguing with each other.. I couldn't help but think "Betty should be the overseer"
I agree, that look in her eyes. . . brilliant acting!
Knowing the truth of how they “buried” her it’s even worse.
I don’t even know how they had access to that.
It had a double meaning Lmaoo she literally did help his father burry her and everyone under rubble 😭
@@Red_Steampunkerthat was a cold death stare for sure but the real question is how did hank launch a bomb in the first place on shady sands? did he have access to vault tec’s hypothetical stockpile?
"It'll keep the rads and the reds out" is the best line.
It'll keep the rads out, and the reds ;)
I LOVE that line! 👍
Sounds like a new Oxhorn shirt!
People who don't realize that Fallout, since the first game, is satirizing the Red Scare are just genius
You got your bar set pretty low huh lmao
I think Ox might be a bit off in thinking Vault tech and the other CEOs were "doing what's right" in that meeting. Bud, did. He presented what he thought was an honest opportunity. But Barb opened it up to full control, full monopoly, free experiments, and even dropping the bombs. And every CEO knew it was messed up and everyone loved it. Watching the show, I didn't perceive any board member thinking "this is the right thing to do" like Ox says. They knew how messed up it was, they all saw green, and they loved it.
They do say that the highest amount of sociopaths in the world are ceos
basically, its a cartel with a focus on non-competition.
I felt that House was the only one with some trepidations
I love how Oxhorn have not changed in 7 years. He sticks with his content and i like that.
wellnyou know what they say, the ox, the ox never changes
Yup @Oxhorn is like a named legendary lever action,
Ole Reliable. Here when you need to kill Muties, ferals and time.
My wife's theory for Muldaver is she's a Synth given the memories of her past self like Nick Valentine. It makes sense that the Institute would welcome the creator of "clean energy" and would have brought her back as a Synth to try and solve their energy issues during Fallout 4. But the Railroad got to her first and helped her escape.
She does have that outsider/synth feeling. But isn't she connected to ncr?
That would be so awesome!!!
@@memine5667it was rigged from the beginning.
...she bleeds, though.
@@thechangamire3495though I don’t think she’s a synth, synths have to bleed. Otherwise they wouldn’t be indistinguishable to humans. However, to your point it would likely take a lot more than a bullet to the gut
Vault 76’s overseer was supposed to find what remains of Appalachia nuclear arsenal to claim it for Vault-Tech. That’s how they got their hands on nuclear weapons post war
clearly not those nukes however, because the dwellers from 76 ended up claiming them.
@craigmccune6066 yeah, they never really thought of people not listening to them. Then again I wouldn't expect more of a man who ended up as a roomba
@@craigmccune6066well… in the games we see different bombs anyways so
I do think the show makes her directive a loooot more interesting. Vault-tec wants those nukes.
@@craigmccune6066but it brings the question... Are other overseers tasked with retrieval of nukes? Maybe even a vault is designed to have the most nukes reserved dormant in the vaults depths.
there are way more cryo pods in vault 31 than there are visible names on the terminal screen, so we’re definitely not seeing a full list of “dormant” names. doesn’t mean barb is there, but she still could be even if her name’s not visible on the slice norm sees.
Yes, I was also thinking that the list might be multi-page or scrolling and we are only seeing one part of it.
She might be in the cryo beds of new Vegas as the end credits show the assistant MacLean going there. We also know she had a huge part due to cooper listening in the meeting. Maybe she supervised from there and went with her daughter.
Really loving see Norm find his bravery and fight back in his own way by paying attention, running the math, and pushing for truths that need poking at. It's a different kind of bravery than we're seeing from Lucy and it's cool. Also that actor is doing a great job selling that role. He was so good in Ender's Game but it's really neat to see him get more roles to grow in.
I don't think Barb is in there because ultimately those votes are expendable, Barb had to move up in the ranks of trusted Vault tec employees.
In the executive meeting scene, no one mentions that the executives were looked down on by someone behind glass. And Barb looked at him and took charge of the meeting. I'm pretty sure she made an impression.
Yeah when Norm turns on the lights you can hear them turn on for quite awhile there's probably hundreds of people in cryosleep in Vault 31.
Now that i have finished the series, I'm beginning to wonder if Cooper's wife approached him from the beginning and married him to get his star power. She's WAY more conniving that I would have given her credit for until she suggested dropping the bombs.
She definitely did...all a way to get him to be their poster boy....
Just like how all her speeches was about her daughter...yet the day the bombs drop her daughter was with Cooper and not her ironically
they havent finished the series just the 1st season
@iloveowls90 yes, I just meant I saw her as a bit of a flibitygibt before episode 8
And is coop the only one who became a ghoul not his wife or kid if so how he was with his kid when a bomb went off
@user-cw3zi1fv1g I wondered that too, but it's great that he chose the horse because the EMP took out all the cars.
It’s so surreal seeing a show adaptation that gets almost everything about the game lore correct AND builds onto it and introducing more puzzle pieces making it an integral part of the series. Not something you see often.
Honestly, there's some things about the lore that are a bit skewed...but if one cares about it that much...get a life 😂
How many games to movie/TV show are actually good ?
Almost none.
Everything about it should be applauded
but no ammo in trashcans
I really enjoyed the show, and it was cool seeing power armor, ghouls etc.
But they got alot of stuff wrong, and then just made up some of the lore.
But like I said, I enjoyed it.
@@zerocool5395 i keep hearing they got a lot of stuff wrong too but after watching myself, aswell as talking to my brother about it(whos played all of the fallout games religiously n went on deep dives for the lore), there really isnt much lore breaking. the prydwen was built in the wasteland once. why cant it be rebuilt again. also like, the nukacola bottles n stuff could just be explained by the fact that there are travelling traders. really other than Shady Sands not being mentioned in FNV i only really saw just a few things. so im curious as to what were the things that you found were "wrong"?😁
@rainbow6dmn804 Off of the top of my head, the 3 vaults, ghouls needing a drug not to turn, BOS not using laser/plasma weapons, BOS knights getting a squire.
And some stuff I can't remember, but like I said it's just small stuff that didn't make me not wanna watch, or made me lose interest in the show.
Just little nit picks.
The show absolutely nailed the pre war drama and back story. I can just imagine if they are somehow able to adapt the vault lore for each one or some of the best notes or terminal diaries
I agree, it’s given us a proper glimpse into the pre war world.
Cooper Howard is the best addition to Fallout Lore since Mr House. I can’t wait to see what happens in Season 2
Season 2 will explain that the Mysterious Stranger is an escaped experiment from Vault 137 (because they skipped numbers to get to the Fine Structure Constant) in annexed Canada that is the result of Vault-Tec building massive underground colliders that were built to pierce the fabric of spacetime.
Ew, no. Cooper Howard is Todd Howard's self-insert and it needs to be erased immediately
you missed a major moment from the meeting where before Barbara said they would use the bombs themselves she looked up to a man who appeared to be in a military uniform.
Vault Tec didn't literally drop the bombs themselves, what they did is know that America was going to attack and move their key forces away to safety to become the Enclave.
The Enclave are also the reason Maldova was frozen, otherwise how could the scientist know how to make the cold fusion chip (if the enclave could have done it on their own, they would have)
Very reasonable explanation. They certainly need to explain why the scientist escaped Enclave to deliver cold fusion to some “stranger”
saw the mr. house theory on reddit, he said "they did 20 hour error." v-tec was going to blow the nuke but chinese did it 20 hour earlier than planned.
That is a plausible outcome, especially since Maldova was the one to discover cold fusion energy to create sufficient power with the help from corporations she worked for but they got all bought out by Vault Tec.
@@someonelikejaden it would also explain why Maldova didn’t go back to vault 33 until she knew that vault tec passwords were needed to make it work.
How do you know what he was wearing. Only his head was visible
Vault 31 was for junior Vault-Tec executives whom Bud Askins trained. Barb Howard was a high-ranking executive, so the chances for her to be in 31 are remote.
Remember that in FO76. "We" secure the Nukes silos on Vault Tec directive, even if its not canon what we did with them, now those nukes could be accessed. Even if Vault-Tec had their own Nukes (megaton for example), "We" gave them more.
Benny was right, the game was rigged from the start.
@@DevDabs420Official holy hell, great line. it fits extremely well
What if Vault tech built more vaults then they claimed. Secret Vaults and thats were she is or were the leaders of the company are.
Also the actor that plays coop is an amazing actor. In the opening scene when the bomb first falls and he's looking at it and saying it's just smoke his eyes show him almost smiling as if he's truly in denial of the severity of the situation (a common initial response to an emergency) then his eyes fall and glass over as the reality sets in.
I don't think it ever would have been Barb Howard's plan to end up in Vault 31. That was for Bud's Buds, who were all members of a junior management training program. Barb was much higher up in Vault Tec's hierarchy than members of Bud's Buds. I'm sure she was always meant to go to a different vault: either one meant for executives and senior management, or one for her to run for her own experiment much like Bud had 31, 32 & 33 for his own experiment.
"Feo, fuerte, y dignidad." Cooper Howard foreshadowed his transition into the ghoul. "Ugly, strong and dignity."
Its feo, fuerte y formal
It represents the protagonists too.
Ugly= Ghoul
Strong= Maximus
Dignity= Lucy
I had that thought too when I was watching the show.
@@joaovictorteixeira3294the fact that he himself has all three qualities probably points to why he's the most engaging character in the show so far, he's a true survivor among the others
@@joaovictorteixeira3294 ayo i didn't figure that out :0
the details this show has in just one season are insane
@14:40 As I understood it, Vault 31 was full of Assistants, Coopers wife was a higher ranking member of Vault Tec and probably somewhere else and never supposed to be in 31 to begin with.
Buds buds weren't higher-ups. Just part of the management training program. So middle-managers (or more realistically unmarried controllable employees)
Well you misunderstood
@@plinyelder8156 No, they didn't. Bud's Buds are JUNIOR executives. Barb was higher up, and you know how we know? Because Hank was HER assistant. Not the other way around. Just like Betty was Bud's original assistant.
@@amandadadesky5192no Betty was a secretary for barb hence why she asks Walter is hank/Henry could meet him
Junior executives all eager to prove themselves and willing to do horrible things to make themselves noticed. It makes sense to me
Walton Goggins actually *looks* like the Vault Boy. His smile where his top row of teeth are prominent, his hair is the same style as Vault Boy's, just a different color, same expression on his eyebrows while doing the thumbs-up pose. I realize those are all things they could have told him to try and replicate, but it's still interesting how closely Walton can come to resembling a cartoon character originally designed without him in mind.
Top tier actor
Where are the Howards?
They were never in Vault 31. Vault 31 is for Junior Executives. Coop says of Hank McClean "Your daddy used to fetch my wife's dry cleaning." Barb wasn't a Junior Executive. She was a Senior Executive. Very senior if she got to be in the meeting with the other companies deciding experiements. That was just her and Bud Askins. Bud got his own vault (three of his own vaults actually). So it's entirely reasonable that Barb got into that vault she wanted to be in that oversaw all the others. Alternately, if they plot out a season 3, she got her own vault with her own experiment. But in either case, she was never one of Bud's Buds. She was Bud's equal, not his junior.
I don't, however, know what happened to Janey. Janey was with her father when the bombs started falling, which is really interesting if Vault-Tec is supposed to have dropped the bombs. Because you would think Barb would have either done it on a day she had custody, or at least arranged to have custody if she really knew it was coming. So I'm very curious about where Janey, specifically, is and what happened to her. Maybe it's a vault where they were allowed to keep dogs, after all. An experiment in animal companionship.
There's also a slim possibility that we've already seen Barb. Remember the shopkeeper yelling for her black female spouse "Barb, Barb, get over here?" in episode 2. I mean, it could be nothing. But names are usually reused in shows. And to have only three named black female characters and reuse one name for two of them, well that's weird. Though that could have been done on purpose as a red herring. But it's still weird. Also amusing to think the decrepit old woman is Coop's ex.
If you have closed captions on she calls the woman barv.leave her alone,she's tryin to eat her beans.
@@kevinStidham-w6r Which means nothing. An accent? An affectation. It's still weird. It still could be Coop's Barb.
Or not.
Shrug.
@@jenniferhanses I guess we gotta wait till season 2 to drop before either of us will know for sure,but I don't think it's his wife.the brotherhood probably killed her,(barv)and the rest of the citizens of filly.they would be very interested in ma'june's inventory of "artifacts",so unless they both booked it,their probably dead.
@@kevinStidham-w6r I'm not expecting we'll see Barb in season 3 (if we figure Barb is not the wife of the merchant). I think the princess will be in another castle. Las Vegas is a way point. She could be all the way out in DC. Or somewhere totally new. But I think there'll at least be a Season 3 after Season 2.
Maybe I'm wrong and I'll be surprised. But I really don't expect Barb outside of flashbacks for Season 2.
I'm not sure if this has already been brought up--surprised if it hasn't, and apologies if it has--but I haven't seen much real discussion about the little incident at about 19 minutes 24 seconds into Episode 8. Bud, House and the other CEOs are bickering in the aftermath of House's "rats" comment, then Cooper's wife gets a ping on her Pip-Boy. She looks up, sees someone silhouetted in a window overlooking the meeting room, then interrupts to "refocus" the conversation. One gets the impression that this is HER boss--her REAL boss. Someone who told her to get the discussion back on track. I think that's the only time we see this shadowy person, whoever they are. Has this been discussed somewhere? Any ideas or speculation regarding who that shadowy figure might be? Someone from the Enclave, maybe? Are Vault-Tec's strings somehow being pulled here?
I figured Enclave. They are hinted at within the show, the scientist who escaped with the tech and the dog looked to be working for the Enclave plus they are mentioned by name, I think by the BoS.
Yea, obviously she wasn't the main boss of Vault-Tec, or else she wouldn't have to try so hard to get into one of the main management vaults. Try for who
The managers and CEOs have OWNERS.
In today's world that would be Blackrock and the owners of the Banking cartels.
😢 it actually hasnt been talked about and it needs too
For me, it's the President of the U.S.A.
But i have ni proof, juste my headcanon.
The games did give us a partial answer at least. In Vault-Tec Among the Stars in Fallout 4 it was hinted that the experiments would be useful for determining how people would behave in vaults on other planets in different scenarios, truly isolated with no help from others
The creator of Fallout apparently said the same thing on his youtube channel
You're correct. This reasoning for the Vault's experiments is a retcon, and a poor one at that.
For those fanboi's who will jump to their keyboards and tell us how this is now canon so questioning Pope Todd-God is beyond blasphemy:
I.
Don't.
Care.
@@MrSnivvelwell it might not be. We know the enclave is still under it all, so finding the best way humans work in society is something they would want to know.
@@witchy90210 What you're saying is more inline with the original lore of the game. The retcon of the show is that Vault-Tec is the tail that wags the dog.
@@MrSnivvel I wouldn't be surprised if it was still the enclave in a way. I know it's like adding even more layers, but that's what I think. The Enclave gives Vault Tec enough power to control things. VT takes that power and uses it with goals in line with what the enclave wants, knowingly or unknowingly.
@@witchy90210 I'm with you on the Enclave being the "boss level" puppet master since any sort of cabal like it would have trusted agents (and their underlings) in every facet of society. Even the CIA still does this to this day. The "hurr durr, Vault-Tec is big evil corporation therefore they do all the evils" is way too simplistic for my tastes (and from a true historical context).
I would’ve never thought that the show would extended the lore much more! Can’t wait for season 2!
So happy it did! I was scared it would be completely off track and distant from the games😅
But will season 2 be WW-3 in our world in real life ?
On the note of why Hank is going to New Vegas - everyone seems to forget that there was a vault there. Could be that Hank's headed to that one, and doesnt know it's been filled with concrete? It had a relatively harmless experiment, so perhaps he thinks it was one of the more likely to make it for two hundred years.
I don't really like how all the executives just decided to do terrible experiments without a purpose. I liked the original explanation that it was to experiment for colony ships. There needed to be a reason for the experiments other than CEOs are eeeeeviiiiiiiil.
Well, a lot's being said in the subtext of that scene. They ARE evil. The big corpos of Fallout's America leave real world US corpos in the dust by comparison, such is the extent of their grip on captialist late 21st Century America. Tidbits of lore throughout the games have always painted the likes of RobCo, Big MT etc as being behind utterly farcical - outright comedic - levels of evil stuff right in front of a bemused public. Which has often been one of Fallout's major themes; big corpos get away with murder, to the point they've lost any touch with humanity. The CEOs here weild more control over their Earth than the bulk of the CEOs of our ones can even hope to (and that's saying something). On top of that, add that old unverified opinion that the bulk of CEOs and leaders in history are sociopathic and you've got your eeeeviiiiil room of assholes here.
@SteadFast411 I get what you're saying, but there's no point to their evil. Modern corporations are "evil" for the sake of profit. They do shitty things to make more money, so they can use that money to make more money.
The show ignores all purpose and just says they're evil. They come up with terrible experiments but no reason behind them. Bud at least had a reason to run an experiment. He wanted to cultivate super managers. The other ceo's just started throwing out experiments.
They pushed the world to blow itself up for profit and just cause, that’s evil.
I’d argue vault-tec is within the same moral range compared to real world counterparts. You really don’t have to look far for corporations knowingly overlooking human life for profit.
Nestle,
industrial military complex
Oil industrial complex
Food industrial complex
There are countless accounts and instances of these industries and companies overlooking human life in pursuit of a lower bottom line.
From more menial instance such as safety regulation to the entirety of the us military industrial complex sponsoring the oil complex’s for profit wars.
If a company thought they had what it required to be the only company left after an apocalypse, and the means to ensure that apocalypse you better believe there’s a billionaire owner who’s never set foot into actual society and is so detached from reality and guided by their own ego that they would be willing to push the button on the end of the world, seeing it only as an opportunity for profit, much like oil ceos would gladly start a unjust war if it meant profit.
Also yeah I do agree some vault experiments are just stupid but you gotta remember the people making the vault ideas might be either out-of-touch with the right intentions at the start (think bud) or just downright sociopaths creating their idealized society for themselves. None of the people making the vaults got there by being good people, even bud who seems to have a genuine interest in making good vaults, is blinded by his own experience in vault-tec, choosing to pre-select management instead of making do with whoever’s alive. I think it makes sense that bud as a manager type himself (within vault-tec) encountered situations where he as a manager would have to overlook individuals in pursuit of a greater goal to survive and succeed in a corporate environment where the final metric of success is the bottom line and not the fate of the individuals within said group. As such his concept of success is warped, the only thing he knows that works is what’s working around him, what’s working in vault-tec, ruthless competition where the individual is overlooked for the bottom line of the company. As such he decided that. His vaults will make always make the decision to the benefit of the group even at consequence to the individual.
After that all buds worried about is making sure that the overseer is willing to make that decision.Which he eventually decides that as the kinda hands on manager he is that only people he has vetted and trained personally can he trust to fulfill that.
I honestly love the triple vault in the show because it’s more then just an experiment for no reason but an actual plan similar to something that might be thought up by one of bud’s actual counterparts in the real world and makes sense for the position he’s in.
Hey Oxhorn, just wanted to let you know that if you are not aware yet, that Todd Howard personally said in an IGN interview that the bombing of shady sands happened shortly sometime after the events of NV. And the Fall of Shady sands is something else
Dunno why they made sure of that in the series tho
I'm more concerned about the lack of development or debris around NV proper that we saw. It was pretty bare around the main wall.
@@davidsurtees4439 It's Bethesda, It just works
They did...y'all just can't read a chalkboard correctly@@davidsurtees4439
@@not_zaknefariousbecause it was attacked
To finally be able to confirm and not speculate they might have or actually initiated the war is so huge for the lore, and it makes a lot of sense.
until we see ho first dropt the bomb it stil up in the air sure vault tec want the bomb to drop doesn't mean it happened some of the vault weren't complete when the bombs dropt so it could have been some 1 els
Probably a little bit of both.
Im almost sure they didnt droped the first bomb, barb would not ler her Daughter be Somewhere in a party if they droped the bomb themselves.
House was bombed before the Platinum Chip arrived. It may be the Zetans or someone else set off the bombs off before they were ready.
@@andrecontente6370plus vault tec was not finished building the vaults they wanted to make.
I think Vaultec was planning on dropping the bombs, but someone did it first - or it has something to do with the shadow figure seen in the corporate meeting. At one point during the meeting, it pans up and shows a shadowy figure watching the meeting.
But I def think the bombs were dropped earlier than vaultec had planned.
Will be interesting to know more about that Mysterious Stranger!
I suspect that the reason that Cooper's family was not on the list of 'Bud's Buds' was because 31 was for middle managers that Vault Tec wanted to use to rebuild society after the collapse, but upper management like her and the other Vault Tec execs were housed in a similar but more long-term vault where they would be awakened likely by a command or robot once the other middle management vault(s) (since we don't know that 31 is the only vault with a Vault Tec plan to bring some kind of pre-war management into the future) had succeeded in their mission and got some kind of society back in order since the execs are notorious for being very self-serving in the Fallout universe across most of the companies of the pre-war.
Man, why can't Halo do the same formula as Fallout did? This is what I love about the Fallout show. It definitely respects the source material and still made Fallout's stories compelling. Even more compelling in the show than the games sometimes.
Thank god Nolan is a fan.
Cuz Todd Howard is the exec producor of FO show. Halos founders don't exist or do anything with the franchise anymore. Bungie is dead and most OG halo employees went on to other things. It's why halo lore isn't consistent like it used to be.
Also to add in that Fallout is lore first
@@saber-san6270 damn right!
I can see Vault-tec being able to drop the bombs on shady sands even if they couldn't before the war on account of the events of Fallout 76.
The Overseers mission there is literally to reclaim the nukes. I imagine there were a few Vaults set up with similar premises that Hank could have then accessed and used. All it would take is someone granting remote access to Vault-tec for later use.
and there are Nukes in more than just one state.. there are silos all accross america that could have also had the 76 treatment with their dwellers not using them to mutate the ghouls and such for better loot. ;)
You know you’re in for a banger video when Oxhorn uploads
And we’re so early too
Fallout 5 is going to be insane.
Nah we up for some fault information on timelines and other lore plot holes that he thinks he knows😂😂😂
@@wowplayer160 todd got a phobia of giving out release dates.
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I've watched your videos on and off for years and it always amazes me that you have such great story telling abilities. I appreciate your hard work on these fallout videos as, ive only played them vicariously by watching you!)) Thank you again))
Great rundown! Regarding the listed names for Vault 31...it's pretty clear that it's not a complete list simply due to the fact that there are are fewer people on the list than there are people visibly frozen in the room. I don't think the 3 people mentioned were ever in that vault, but at least explains the short list.
Also about vault-tek and nukes. Remember, the plot of Fallout 76 is getting access to all the nuclear silos in WV for your overseer. Might have something to do with it
I dont think Vault Tech started the war in the End. Because if cooper wife knew when the war will start, no way she'd let their daughter be with him instead of her - even if somehow she got her from him in the end as it is assumed since he asks Hank where his family is...
Yeah. Until you see Vault Tec push the button, all they’ve done is talk about it. Don’t forget, vault Tec still had vaults that weren’t even complete yet. If it was all about money, they’d want those vaults finished before dropping the bombs.
@@KeytarArgonian Maybe Vault tec bombed China first?
I think Cooper told Moldaver and gave her the audio recording of the meeting. Vault-Tec likely found that out when Cooper confronted his wife, forcing them to drop the bombs earlier than the day they scheduled the droppings.
its quite possible they were planning, possibly once all 122 vaults were completed, but they mentioned it to the wrong members of the enclave and they decided to "speed up" their plans to develop an ideal society. It's still entirely possible it was the chinese or completely unrelated to vault tec however.
I got a question. Who cleaned up the massacre of Vault 32 in mere days? Nobody in Vault 33 stepped in there except the two guys, and Vault 31 only has cryopods and a Budbrain. I didn't see any functioning robots either in either vaults, in fact Lucy seemed entirely unfamiliar with robots on the surface.
My explanation right now is that Betty and Bud decided on the 32 resettlement, so whilst Betty was sorting out 33, Bud woke up the people in cryo in 31 to go and clean up 32 overnight, and then they go back into cryo!
Hopefully we get some kind of explanation in S2, but I'm happy with mine if they don't!
Protectrons and Mr Handys?
Maybe Betty has a right hand of her own. Maybe Steph plays a part in this.
There could be another Vault or section of 31 with people living on it, since there seems they allowed external access after some point. Is not clear how Moldaver came up with the idea of impersonating Vault 32 residents instead of just forcing their way inside.
@@MattMcloughlin While it is the most likely, I can't imagine it would be a very inspiring job for would-be managers to wake up after 200 years to go to a delipidated vault and clean up 2 years old corpses and wash off the "Death to Management" writing on the wall written in the blood of the last Overseer they got from Vault 31 xD
I think it is a very fascinating coincidence that all of Bud's buds entered cryogenic sleep the day the bombs dropped 27:44 coincidence I think not
No one enters the vaults until the bombs fall. Its likely similar to the opening of fallout 4. And as Buds robo brain stated there was no food in the vault so theyd need to enter cryo sleep very soon after entering the vault.
I can't tell you how many hours I've spent, re listening to every single piece of lore I can. And out of everyone I've found. You have given me everything I've looked forward to. The amount of time you've spent diving in to these games is awesome. I really appreciate your work and I wish I wasn't so broke and I could support you more.
The Fault Boy Origin is Heart Crushing.
*VAULT boy lol
*Fall Out Boy
Really adds a new layer to it. Every vault tec cartoon/ad has been coop the whole time. Every time we see that happy little dweller its coop.
So it appears that the sol surviver in Fallout 4 was being saved for breading not an experiment. This also explains why Vault Tech didn't care bout the staff there. The main characters are people who would make good leaders as well, Nate a soldier and Nora a lawyer.
111s experiment was testing the effects of long term cryostasis. They were ment to be frozen indefinitely to see what the effects are over time. "Oh fuck the people in 111 are getting frostbite. we should probably let these important guys out of the chambers here" type stuff
Interesting theory, Vault 111 could've have been breeding stock POST the all-clear for the likes of 31, 32, 33 returning to the surface. But, some of the other victims of 111 all appear to be local, given their names. That implies either the writers are suggesting Sanctuary Hills (and likely Concord) is a hub for outstanding US citizens (which isn't unlikely tbf, it does appear to be a wealthy area), or there were other isolated Vault experiments disconnected to Bud's plans for Vault 31. I mean, they even look different - the types of cryopods. Who's to say Vault Tec even had the exact sicence down to freezing people? There could be other Vaults with different tech to then discern which method of cryogenically freezing people actually works best.
It’s quite odd, as that vault seems like it was designed for that & nothing else. No living space, no anything. I think there’s a possibility because they introduced cryofreezing in 4, that they used it as a way to make this story work 😂
@@RegenerationOffical You're probably not even far off the mark, and I don't say that as a critique of the writers. So much of the story beats and tropes of this story fall back on previous Fallout motifs to work, the narrative plot-points are themselves making references to aspects of the series older fans love. Lucy's specific call to arms isn't 1-to-1 the same as the Lone Wanderer's adventure into the Captial Wasteland, but it HEAVILY plays homage to it. The water chip damaging pays tribute to Fallout 1's main questline.
The writers of this show were not going to pass up an opportunity to make use out of such bombastic sci-fi maguffins as pre-established tech like cryopods, especially if they were writing a storyline that revolved around one character that had lived all the way through the Great War and beyond.
The finale from the show and the reveal about Vault Tec was a jaw dropper. Can’t believe we got the answer to our questions through the show lol. Amazing
I’m glad to see you covering these! I enjoyed the show giving backstory to Vault Tech while also presenting more intriguing questions. I am excited for the second season
Amazon Prime did something that other studios have failed to do or even comprehend. If you’re going to make a live action of an already established franchise with rich lore, you don’t try to alter what’s already established. You build on what is present. What they did with the show builds on the fallout lore in ingenious ways and it makes me wanna go back and play the entire franchise again. I can’t wait for season two.
100% true. Since I havent played the games, still I liked the show very, very much. It was consistent.
The reveal that Sinclair knew the world was going to end, and was part of it, makes Vera Keyes' song in Dead Money less somber, and more Ominous.
"Begin again in the night. Let's sway again tonight. Your arm on my shoulder. Your cheek against mine. Where can we go? When will we find that we know..... to let go?"
"Where can we go? When will we find that we know..... To Let Go?"
"Begin. Begin Again Tonight"
damn...
With all the tech in Sierra Madre, they could have had a better working world. The replicators make food , tools, parts, ammo, smokes, anything...
The robots and holographic workers could build in space. The Synths could work as stand in crews on ships with cryogenically stored real humans.
@@SeaJay_Oceans Unrelated, but I find it funny how fans will scoff at the other fallout games whenever flimsy justifications exist, but are totally fine with a lot of the outlandish tech in New Vegas that gets Zero explanation.
Prime example being those vending machines. How the Hell do those machines have all these items in them? There's no possible way.
Same with the securitron's auto repair schematics. Do they have a smaller robot inside them with access to a relay for all the parts needed to repair the securitrons?
I get that it's a gameplay dissonance, but it's real jank.
@@splunkmastah4609the machines are capable of creating those items, they don't store them. How they do this is only vaguely explained; it's (somewhat) stated that they take the material that the Sierra Madre chips are made from and reconstruct them on an atomic level to generate all of the items they provide. The only other info related to them is that they were created at Big MT, along with the hologram security, the toxic "red cloud", & the hazard suits given to the construction workers who later became known as the "ghost people". Sinclair had all these things supplied to him specifically for the Sierra Madre, which is why they're not really seen anywhere else. Father Elijah's plan WAS to infiltrate the Sierra Madre and acquire these technologies so that he'd have everything he'd need to build + defend his own "nation", so to speak.
@@splunkmastah4609think they produce them from materials aka chips u buy it from. Its outlandish tbh must be very rich in all aspects of stuff u can make food, chems, ammo etc from it.
One of my questions is if Coopers Wife was such a high up, suggested dropping the nukes and wanted to go to a Overseer type vault for other Vaults, why would she let her daughter be with Cooper at the time the bombs where dropping?
We need that flashback of how did Cooper on a horse made it to his wife when those bombs where so close.
Yeah, all we see is Vaukt Tec talking about doing it. But a lot of the vaults weren’t even complete yet. I don’t think Vault Tec did it.
She had a superior or boss watching the Vault-Tec meeting from above in the shadows. In other words, she is probably not high enough in the ranks to have a final say on when the bombs will be dropped or detonated.
She kinda gives me psycho vibes so it is possible that she didn’t care about her kid and only cared about saving herself
@@britt5650 She did seem to love her kid and husband, enough to fight for a space in the best vault for them... up until Coop's pushback and the divorce.
Perhaps she stopped really caring about her daughter because she was half Coop; someone who couldn't see the bigger picture. Perhaps she takes after her father so much, that her mother considered her a lost cause in the end.
Oh well. She can just make another kid with better breeding stock later, right?
I wouldn't put it past such a massive sociopath to think like that.
I swear I recall in Fallout 2, that the Enclave was behind the experiments with Vat-Tec?
They wanted to experiment, and find out how people would respond to various stimulus in a enclosed space.
The Enclave and Vault-Tec never truly believed the bombs were going to drop. This was the reason for control vaults vs experiments in Vaults.
you litterally need the bombs to drop for any experiments to happen.....
people wont camp out in vaults if they are not forced into them to seek shelter from bombs.
and enclave can still be the one pulling the strings behind the curtains to get vaulttec to push for this narrative.
its easier to control one company and get that one to make all the other companies to buy in on their own than to control all companies from the shadows
I also recall the enclave and vault tec collecting data from all these experiments so they can use that information to help them when they leave earth and colonize another planet. Fallout is riddled with inconsistencies, but maybe that’s the point…or maybe it’s the product of bad writing and pieces of new story being written not fitting together
There probably still on the show aswell
I don't really see the contradiction, in the series the Enclave scientist knew exactly what was happening in the vaults. The Enclave was also protected from said bombs when it happened. There are plot holes, but it has been somewhat consistent in this regard.
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There's supposed plot holes but can be filled by inference or extra information from the canceled FO3 docs, which can be considered in broad terms canon.
Just cause mr house is there doesn’t mean he knows when the bombs will drop. He asks what vault tech can do to guarantee the war, and she says they can drop the bombs themselves. But the way it’s worded is saying only if the war doesn’t start on its own will they intervene and drop the bombs. The war likely started by itself with vault tech not needing to intervene
This was a great synopsis. So many things I didn’t think about or put together. Thanks for making.
Shouldn't Hank MacLean recognise Moldaver as not being the overseer in vault 32 when they opened the door for the wedding in episode 1?
I hate defending anything in this show, but in this case…when the vault 32 people come over he mentions that he was previously aware that their overseer recently died. However this still doesn’t really work out because we find out later that every overseer in 32 and 33 are from 31. So it should still be someone he knows. Unless I missed that only vault 33 got it’s overseers and vault 32 got to have untampered elections. But I don’t think so.
I think (and I'm playing devil's advocate here, as I feel what I'm about to suggest is still a logical stretch compared to the real answer of it being a bit of a plot-hole) it's possible that not every one of Bud's Buds were all personally aware of one another, just professionally, given the size of Vault Tec. It could be Hank wasn't aware of the faces of every single middle-management employee Bud put on ice. Hell, I manage a restaurant chain with less than 20 sites, but I only know the names/faces of maybe 10 peers at my level of management at best.
@@SteadFast411This makes so much sense!
@@SteadFast411yeah, that's what I was thinking
@@disqorddoge1101it wouldve been at least 20 years since he got thawed and 200 years since he was first in cryo sleep. I dont think its a stretch that he wouldnt remember every low level executive from before the bombs dropping.
Back into the days where i watch oxhorn's fallout lore for hours.
While playing fallout 4 or nv miss those days
Out of all of the reveals that this show could have done Vault Tec’s motives was the most surprising and gut wrenching. And it makes sense of how the major corporation leaders knew about the nukes and the inevitable chaos that would follow.
Vaul Tec's motive don't make any sense, though.
You are effectively wiping out all of your own workforce and customers by having the world be nuked.
Even if you froze your own workforce, you'd still need to recruit from outside and interact with it.
Also, from what we've seen from the games, nobody is actully bothering to collect the data from the Vaults.
So the data isn't even being used.
It gets even dumber, when you factor in how dangerous the world has become as result of the bombs.
How is Vault Tec going to clean up the glowing sea? Or any other area.
I mean......... let's be honest. Deep down, we all knew Vault Tech was the most evil of all the corrupt corporations in the fallout universe, but even then, they managed to shock us with just how evil they truly are.
Theory - Moldaver was a synth. Miss Williams had her brain scanned like Nick Valentine did, and her memories were implanted into a synth body. That way she can come back as often as they like.
14:26 That list only has 25 names on it. Based on the size of Vault 31 there are at least 100+ managers(6 sections shown with each section having 18 pods for 108 managers).
While you did correctly point out that the games don't reveal the reason for the Vault-Tec experiments FO2 does reveal that The Enclave used Vault-Tec to run the experiments.
The Chosen One: "What do you mean?"
Dick Richardson: "We had a number of sanctuaries that would enable the glorious American civilization to endure. These facilities - the vaults - were part of the great plan."
The Chosen One: "Those damn vaults didn't work the way they were supposed to. A lot of people in them died."
Dick Richardson: "Actually, they worked almost exactly the way they were supposed to. You might call it a social experiment on a grand scale."
The Chosen One: "An experiment?"
Dick Richardson: "The vaults were set up to test humanity. Some had not enough food synthesizers, others had only men in them, yet others were designed to open after only 6 months. They each had a unique set of circumstances designed to test the occupants."
This lore isn't in-game but Tim Cain, one of the original creators of FO, recently said his reason for the experiments was to address issues a multigenerational spaceship and its crew could encounter when travelling to another solar system because The Enclave believed Earth would be uninhabitable after The Great War. FO4's Nuka World dlc had a section dedicated to the idea of Vault-Tec helping humanity colonize other planets.
An even better reason to leave would be the fact The War started because of resource scarcity. Alaska was invaded because it was the last oil deposit on land, while The Enclave managed to build an oil rig over the last one at sea so it makes no sense to try and rebuild civilization on Earth even if it was habitable.
FONV reveals that Mr. House calculated when The War would start but was off.
The Courier: "You say that you saved Las Vegas. How?"
Robert House: "By 2065 I deemed it a mathematical certainty that an atomic war would devastate the Earth within 15 years. Every projection I ran confirmed it. I knew I couldn't "save the world," nor did I care to. But I could save Vegas, and in the process, perhaps, save mankind. I set to work immediately. I thought I had plenty of time to prepare. As it turned out, I was 20 hours short."
Tim Cain says China started The War because of the U.S.' bioweapons development like the F.E.V..
FO4 suggests China initiated The War.
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Entries from FO76 show The Enclave had an early evacuation list that could indicate they knew when The War would start and likely because they would start it; however, the removal of people from that list by a man that later declared himself President reveals infighting within The Enclave. Even if China didn't launch the first nuke, a faction of The Enclave that wanted to take out their rivals could have started it early.
When the meeting is happening, Barbara looks at her Pip-Boy then up at a shadowy figure who is likely from The Enclave; however, considering the state/tech of The Enclave lab in Cali compared to the Vaults and the fact Bud said they saved Vault-Tec instead of a "failed nation" they may have betrayed The Enclave and had to start The War early once they finally found out The Enclave was making their move. That or China's attack could explain why Janey wasn't safe inside a Vault when The War began.
I still don’t think it outright means vault-tec dropped the bombs but rather discussed it as a contingency,
Barb dropping a bomb when nowhere near her daughter makes no sense unless vault-tec cut her out of her own idea or Coop had full custody by then
Yes..exactly.. it doesnt make sense that she agreed on the bombs drop, when her own daughter was out there...
Also, Mr House got caught off guard as well. Gad it been Vault-Tec, I think House would have had enough time to get the platinum chip.
What I am thinking is that Vault Tec was planning to do it, but China pre-empted them. Maybe they found out about Vault Tecs plans?
@@wititorac Vault-Tec could very well have had a Chinese spy in their midst heck how would Moldaver drop hints about their nefarious ways to Cooper without insider knowledge as well, I suppose
Just seems like a nudge still but no solidifying of the first drop
@@wititorac Leaving out the enormous logistics complexity of trying to build/acquire and rig up hundreds of bombs, there's no reason that China would be will to drop bombs on the US first if they even knew of the plan. Using Sun Tzu as an example and Chinese culture in general, they're not going to interfere with their enemy destroying themselves. People are taking the initial pitch and 'brainstorming' session in a meeting (by all accounts this was exactly that) with all the company heads as the absolute agreed upon plan and execution of what happened. This still leaves open the original (and better) lore that the Chinese initiated the first nuke attack because the US was about to lay siege on Beijing and finally win the war.
This is not to excuse the amount of retcon that the TV series does in any way.
Irl nukes detonate in the air to reduce land damage and disperse radiation more.
But many of the bombs left large craters. And some bombs like in megaton, had VT logos.
I’m guess many of them were placed on purpose, but some were not.
And maybe she thought her daughter was at the father’s house, she’d be fine if he died but not her daughter.
Unless she had the “no dogs allowed in the vault” to describe her own daughter as well.
But I have a feeling he ran into her and she took the kid and not him, leaving him doomed. Explaining why he can’t find them and is looking.
In Fallout 2 the Enclave planned to used a modified FEV to wipe out entire life on wasteland. Given WestTek was on the meeting I presume their initial plan was using Mariposa virus fever to do so. Maybe it was Enclave plan all along and they pulled the string on top the meeting
Yeah. I kinda didn’t like how they implied that Vault Tec were the masterminds behind absolutely everything. It’s still possible for the Enclave to be the real masterminds however, as in the Vault Tec meeting there’s a couple of shadowy figures on a Balcony, this could be Enclave personnel. It’s possible that the Enclaves long term plan was to colonize other Planets with Vault Tecs research, while Vault Tecs personnel reshaped Earth. Once it was in order, the Enclave would return.
But I’m feeling a tad lost here with the Enclave since it seems their ideals differ from Vault Tec to a point
You get the feeling that someone is behind the Enclave too, the owners that guide the managers... And Fallout avoids mentioning other nations, how is Europe, Africa, Australia, India, the rest of Asia ? What happened there ? What condition are those other civilizations in now ? Any untouched by war ?
The West Tec guy piches the idea for Vault 87, and the Repcon lady pitches idea of Vault 11. I think Sinclair also pitches an idea, but I dont know which one that is.
Who pitches the idea for kids to be raised to become super soldiers for vault 75 in Boston’s Malden Middle School? That was a shocker to be mentioned.
The one with pumping stuff in the airflow was a Vault in 3.
Forgot the number
@@yunuss58 thats 106
Yoo Ox. Thanks abunch for narrating the Fallout universe. I'm a huge fan of it and the way it is told and edited together is beautiful. Thanks man
The way they portrayed Vault-Tec in this show was amazing! Clearly the writers of the show have played the games.
Here's my theories for the show: Vault-Tec only launched their nukes after they noticed China (and potentially America) dropping their nukes first. They realized that the apocalypse was inevitable, so they decided to shape it to fit with their ideal conditions.
Later, after Hank launched a nuke on Shady Sands, the NCR, or the remnants of their military, launched an attack on New Vegas (which is why it looks the way it does in the credits).
The NCR figured that out of all of their enemies / rivals, only House would have both the technology, the arsenal, the guts and the motive to nuke them, so they launched a retaliatory invasion of the Strip. Now House was caught off-guard by this, because nowhere in his plans and calculations did he factor in a Vault-Tec employee launching a nuke at the NCR.
Thus, House had no contingency for such a scenario. So New Vegas falls in what I presume is a brutal pyrrhic victory for the NCR remnants.
I seen someone else say this same thing. I think it's the best theory so far regarding NV, Shady sands, the lack of NCR in LA and whatnot.
It would make sense too being as the NCR was already fighting for control over NV, who else would have nuked them? Whatever forces they had there during NV was probably increased majorly after, they probably moved everyone over to NV for an all out assault.
And now Mcclains gone to NV thinking that he can get some help from House, only to find that his actions had unintended consequences.
the house always wins...
Cryogenic sleep is just poor man's time travel, it's a narrative device used to make a character travel 200 years into the future without messing with any temporal paradoxes.
Bethesda love using the same few plot devices in all their Fallout games. Lost family member, broken water chip, main character = vault dweller, BoS base and FEV lab in every city, now cryosleep keeps coming back. It's like they can't think of anything new and interesting.
Meanwhile, any original ideas that actually move the civilization and the franchise forward, like an entire new republic forming after the apocalypse, or a freaking Las Vegas strip surviving, they decide to wipe from the game (NV being dead is not confirmed but heavily implied). It's almost like Todd is bitter about all the Interplay/Black Isle/Obsidian Fallout games receiving more praise than Bethesda's Fallout games, so they decided to clean up everything that doesn't serve their barren wasteland narrative.
@@BL00DYME55 Or maybe Todd Howard and Emil Pagliarulo (lead writer at Bethesda Game Studios) just don't know what to do with the established lore, it's too complicated and Emil in his own words likes to "Keep it simple, stupid."
Remember NCR from Fallout 2 and NV? Remember New Vegas from Fallout: NV? Believe it or not, they just suddenly dissapeared.
@@BL00DYME55 Ah yes, the typical "Bethesda is not doing things this way because they hate Obsidian and New Vegas!!!" baseless argument.
@@wetrix2119 if we could only figure out how to thaw em back out,and revive them.i mean in real life.
Thank you for making your videos for all theses years I have been watching since middle school and just graduated collage and when times were tough I knew I could always watch your videos to relax
I still don't think we've uncovered the true purpose of the vaults. Specifically 32. Given how quickly and easily Betty was able to clean up vault 32, it tells me that this is something the overseers are trained to expect and handle. I think the overall purpose of 33 is to serve as breeding stock. But I also see 33 being psychologically conditioned to be overly positive. We see Lucy being so plucky and positive, not even swearing. I think the stock, being psychologically conditioned to be more positive, would have been sent to 32 for the actual experiment. Think Miranda from Serenity, perhaps they had gas or a laundry list of means to influence psychology and use that to modify behavior. Perhaps to make them more pliable to Vaul Tech management?
I'm surprised you didn't mention that the overseer had directions to secure the missile silos when 76 opened.
"Their solution was to.... begin again"
Chills. Especially considering Sinclair was there on behalf of Big MT.
Oh damn…he was basically taunting everyone at Sierra Madre with that Song. He knew what everyone else didn’t…
"Where can we go? When will we find that we know to let go. Begin, begin again tonight"
These lyrics are particularly chilling, knowing what we know now.
Great reset...
@@rachelpops9239 the wut?
My theory on how new vegas lasted is since mr house was in the meeting he probably knew so he made percussions to act as a savior for new vegas. who could deny him everyone is dead. that's why a vault was in New vegas since he was a business partner
This makes sense as he prepared defense systems for the Vegas area
Pretty sure NV says mr house made his own calculation that the bombs would drop within 15 years. I dont know when that was done though, maybe after he went to this meeting?
24:20 The Overseer's mission from Vault 76 was to secure three nuclear silos in the region. Vault 76 being one of 17 control vaults, it's safe to assume that if they had similar missions Vault-Tec would then have firepower superiority over everyone in the wasteland.
The three silos had automated launch systems that could fabricate multiple nukes. Thought the overseer was unable to succeed, other 76 dwellers were successful. Makes you wonder if Vault-Tec still has control of these facilities, or if some faction like the Enclave seized them.
The Enclave would have the means and are far more ruthless. The Whitespring Bunker-- the primary headquarters for the Enclave in Appalachia-- had decryption machinery for nuclear codes, despite its AI MODUS turning on rebelling Enclave members after internal conflicts. We know the Enclave has connections and dealings with Vault-Tec, but would the two ever share power/control post-war?
As to the location of Cooper Howard's family, after Hank MacLean escapes in power armor, Lucy asks The Ghoul why he didn't kill her father. The Ghoul says he never learned the location of his family and that "it's easier to follow a stuck pig than to ask it where it's going," and then (presumably) tracks Hank to New Vegas. So that would be my guess as to where the rest of the Howard family is chilling (literally.)
Cooper's missing family is his whole premise of the show
Ooohhh, great find about the Pipboy poster being on top of Coop's! So many details, onward to my second viewing!
One of my biggest questions was "wtf happened to vault 32" .... ox figured it out lol... good work man
there was a skit done by AI Frye; where the Courier found a cctv recording of the meeting, House's response was of calculations, super chilling (almost lore compliant) definitely recommended for a watch.
as for Vault-tec having access to nukes after the great war; one of your Fallout 76 videos covered a player quest to find, secure, and hold specific Silos located in the Appalachian area. could that mad scramble have been a prelude for events like those of Hank and Betty burning factions that contradicted their views?
2:34 off topic but in this moment when barb laughs it’s almost awkward and embarrassed. But earlier when the employee mentioned coop as a “connection” she smirks, proud of that statement. A really small but great gesture of the actress (Frances Turner) part, it’s so small but when you understand their relationship at this point, it make sense
i love how even if i already know this stuff you still get me invested in the video and im hooked unable to click away
29:17 the show doesn’t explain it to us, but in FO76, we do know that The Overseer had a special mission from Vault TEC to investigate and secure control over the missile silos in Appalachia; there may be other Overseers in other Vaults in other regions performing similar missions; this also explains why when you find unexploded nukes in FO3 and NV, they have VT logos on them…
I've seen this theory floated around before, but I think Vault-tec did intend to drop the nukes themselves, however China was pushed too hard and did it first, catching everyone off guard. Which is why we find so many unfinished vaults throughout the franchise.
I kinda wish they would have waited for maybe season 3 or 4 before adding NV. Right now the show has a falling with out popular locations that the fans love. Season 2 could have survived off season 1. Then you could have added NV in Season 3 or 4. But I'm looking forward to it. The show was really good. My favorite character is Norm.
The Vault Tec storyline was probably my favorite lore aspect of the show. Great idea for vaults.
Vault 32 found out because Maldaver ended up in that vault. If you listen to what bud was telling Cooper is that he was putting people in his program that signed up and paid him for the program. He was running before the bombs dropped. I imagine because of her ties to vault-tec, she was privy to the fact if she signed up that she would be frozen and would have an opportunity to take back what she had created. There is another clue that tells you this is what she did because the last person that opened the door to the wasteland was Lucy's mom. I believe she probably would have snuck out with Lucy's mom started her faction and then came back to kill everyone. Either that or she planted seeds before she snuck out or while she was there that made everyone do what they did. When she asked the overseerfor the code to access the technology she had created more than likely refused and she killed them while everyone else was rioting
Another thing could have been she made friends with the overseer's wife, convinced her to bring her and her child out to the wasteland, thinking that the wife could convince Hank to join them to And she could get the code. After he refused and dropped the nuke on shady.sands, she took her pip boy and went back to the vault to try again
I just hope that the Show doesn’t try to make out that Vault Tec have been in charge of everything, with the Enclave in a subservient role. Actually, the opposite is true. All of Vault Tecs research data was going to the Enclave for use in space colonies. This may still be the case in the Show, as how else did the Enclave get a hold of the Cold Fusion Reactor?
I think you answered yourself. The Enclave ending up with Cold Fusion makes it look like the show is leading up to Vault-Tec and the Enclave being at least partners. One is not subservient to the other. The Enclave looks to be running pretty successfully as it is portrayed.
The enclave scientist knew about Lucy’s vault… so I think they’re still more dominant
Knowing hank was a fan of Cooper and his movies and how records show Lucy as "Goosey" maybe goosey was the name of a character in one of coopers movies and hank named his daughter after it.
I am pretty sure there were more cryopods in the vault than names we saw on the list. I think we were just shown one page of a longer list. There are only like 25 names there, I think that would not be enough to see humanity into the future if you consider they have to deploy 3 people at the same time into two vaults, that is 6 people per generation. That would barely be enough to see vault dwellers emerge from the vaults (with almost no margin for error) and who would oversee that whole reclamation project that would last hundreds years into the future? Either there are many more names we weren't shown, or there is another similar vault nearby with more people.
If you think about it, and in the beginning of the show, there’s two explanations, I have came up with why the thumbs up was so iconic in the games.. remember when he’s talking to his daughter about why he doesn’t put his thumb up but proceeds to show her that if a mushroom cloud is bigger than her thumb, then you need to run for the hills.. in of the perks you get in game in the past fallouts you see the same thumb, and one squinted eye. To me, that makes more sense of why it became an iconic thing that the character did.
What made it so good is they never went with the Wife being connected to vault tec but she didn’t fully know what was going on, she was Vault-Tec, she was the evil. Gave me chills watching that scene. I can’t wait for season 2
The story presented by the show is awesome. I love it. It is pure Fallout. Thanks for the video. I had missed a few things.
Dude, I bet you’re all about the show! I’m loving the show as a Fallout fan but I’m stoked that you’ve been out there for years making the lore videos. I’ve been a fan for over six years and I’m looking forward to the future of the channel sir
I fished the show and my mind is blown one thought I had was what if vault 111 was another place for “breeding bigs”
It was to test the effects of long term cryogenic stasis, probably so vault Tec and the enclave could use the data on their own cryo pods
@@chriss3208 Welp ye but they could have also been used for other things too
Really thankfuk for this info. It was a struggle to keep up with reveals in the latter episodes. This video has cleared up the events in the show.
@12:41 I have a feeling that someone in 31 is woken up every "xx amount of years" solely to become overseer of 32 and 33, to give them time. Time for hypothetical situations like Hank being kidnapped. Until they were ready to reset the surface as planned. Betty was the age to be alive to take over if something happened to Hank and/or Stephanie as long as nothing bad happened to Betty. Stephanie is young enough to take over in case both Betty and Hank met their makers early. And Hank was in the middle. Since, Stephanie is assigned "temp" overseer of 32, I bet in the next season we see more 31 people awakened to replace as potential overseers. One for 32 to replace Stephanie, another one to replace Hank in 31, and then a wait until Hank's replacement ages, then they replace Stephanie's position in 31
Your thumb or mine , a sentence that still fills me with dread
Just really bugged me that nobody heard the bombs fall in that scene. The sound of the blast would've travelled much faster than the shockwave, so everybody just chilling watching TV and even Cooper not noticing anything while standing outside, is kinda silly. But I undestand it's Hollywood and it's done for dramatic effect. Just really tested my suspension of disbelief lol
@@BL00DYME55 the sound didn’t bother me, the fact that no one seemed to notice the blinding flash of light as the bomb went off confused me
@@BL00DYME55 I think it’s less he didn’t notice anything it’s more he wasn’t willing to believe it.
THANK YOU for clarifying this. Watched the series and was confused by some of these details.