The NCR Explained: What happened, and what the future holds
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If I don't hear an NCR Soldier say "Patrolling the Mojave almost makes me wish for a Nuclear winter" in Season 2 I'm gonna be mad
Or maybe Lucy says, "I hate walking in this desert.." and Coop can say "almost makes you wish for nuclear winter.."
That same NCR soldier making the same old joke for the past 20 years is pretty accurate
"patrolling the mojave almost makes YOU wish for a nuclear winter" Cmon man at least TRY and get it right.
That's great general, but ive gotten word of another settlement that needs your help, ill mark it on your map
Somebody has to deliver this coomment. 😊
These are the rules. 👍❤️
As someone that genuinely likes having these quests so you don't run out of things to do I thank you for making wanna play fallout 4 again
@@hunter5xx550So true
@@hunter5xx550 signed
Nuke time
Lucy remembered but Hank gaslit her into thinking it was just the projector of the Sun/light in the vault corn field. Norm would have been too young to remember.
I think the theme playing over Lucy looking at the flag is foreshadowing that she’ll fight to restore the NCR (or at least try to). After all, it was the Vault Dweller and the Chosen One who helped shape the NCR into the powerhouse it was
@zakkizer2490 you are speaking facts
And it is iconic how in a way it was vault tec who built shady sands. Think about it. The original vault dweller from vault 13 and his descended the chosen one both came from a blood line of vault dwellers. Plus the geck used to shape shady sands into what it was. All circle backs to vault tec ironic how Hank couldn’t do any research
I was disappointed that the fact that shady sands was established by vault dwellers wasn't mentioned. I wonder if part of Hanks issue with them is not that shady sands was a post war settlement but that the vault they came from wasn't a vault tec experiment, but one of their competitors experiments.
@@CrazySTLFangirl I mean it was also established on the complete opposite end of california than where it is in the show. In the games Shady Sands is in Death Valley near the California-Nevada border.
In the show they replaced The Angel's Boneyard with Shady Sands on the other end where Los Angeles was. Shady Sands =/= Los Angeles prior to the show.
Todd Howard said the NCR isn't defeated or eradicated.
I don't believe him. I believe that he intended to destroy the NCR but wasn't expecting any backlash for it so now he's trying to backtrack
Oh thank God
Oh, Todd Howard, the guy who's known for lying, how credible.
@@steakdriven That Idea that Todd would really want to deliberately destroy the NCR is about as true as a Lie.
Christ almighty, even he was shocked at the Fact that the Show Directors wanted to nuke Shady Sands, so that has to tell ya' something.
Why would you ever believe Todd?
The scene where Lucy slowly pulls back the NCR flag was my favorite moment in the series.
Me too, chills all over. It was nice to see so much reverence given to something that was never a Bethesda thing.
kind of hinting at lucy playing a big part in the NCR's recovery.
You mean goosey
@@mattparadise3410 I mean, I guess it does say so on the form.
@@GtheMVP Your perpetual hatred for Bethesda is a joke.
In New Vegas it's noted the NCR is facing shortages of electricity, water, and food, which is why they needed to expand. It makes sense that they couldn't devote resources to rebuild Shady Sands and might have abandoned the whole area in favor of better locations; even in the real world whole towns sometimes get abandoned when resources dry up.
I suspect Moldaver and a few die-hards refused to abandon the area, or the NCR authorized her activities but wouldn't commit any resources to it. Restoring power might give the NCR a reason to return, possibly sparking another war with the Brotherhood.
plus the fact... Valut Tek just nuked Shady sands and if they rebuilt it there, it's high risk of it happening again. be stupid to re build in that location. Hoping they re built somewhere else! Hoping Maxwell has a chance to see his roots.
From what little they've shown in New Vegas from the show. I don't imagine the NCR in campaign in the Mojave was successful. I've never played siding the legion, but by all appearances without the main characters assistance they are failing on multiple fronts and are stretched too thin. Moreover the legion has multiple potential allies and highly strategic positions. I think the second battle of Hoover Dam is a legion success and the NCR retreats, finding itself routed and taking heavy casualties as they harrassed by the legion/ allies in their retreat.
The NCR army licking its wounds/ potentially fortifying shady sands as potentially it would be a legion target being the NCR capital. It gets nuked something unlike their legion enemy. Massive losses and blood in the water the NCR enemies jumped in. The NCR is left in a fight to survive and clutching on to maintain order is its still valuable territories leaving a power vacume in its wake.
It's interesting that though that with maximus as an example that this is a generation after the nuking of shady sands. Perhaps just like in world War 1 and world War 2 in our world which was fought by fathers and their sons. The NCR will rebolster and once again has the ability to expand instead of just desperately defending what they still have.
It's all fun and games until the Roman cosplayers show up to the party
Sounds like big cope. A much simpler and more reasonable explanation considering the recent developments is that there isn't anybody left at Bethesda who can write.
@@kisielthe1st Bethesda did not write the show. Your hatred has made your reasoning flawed. A common problem with fanatics.
“Hank and I buried her.”
The fact they were able to BURY her sends up red flags considering they live in a metal box underground.
Yeah that never made sense lol, unless they buried her in farmland or something
I think this is a lie they buried her, Vault-tec employees would never lie right? lol. No likely Betty lied to cover the fact it was Roses pip-boy used to open 32 and its also why Betty destroyed the overseers terminal in vault 32 to cover it.
Could be a pre war colloquialism.
Maybe "burying" is more of a metophor in this case
I mean they do grow corn so they have dirt in their vault
Shady Sands being lost was quite a shock indeed. But as history tells us, the lose of a Capital doesn't mean the nation is gone. The NCR is still out there, and I got a gut feeling that they will come back and retake the Observatory form the brotherhood.
The British burned the capital during the war of 1812, yet they didn't win that war. Neither did the US. I having that many people lost is a large hit to the NCRs strength but there's many more towns under their control
@@BobGeanis Do you actually think the writers understood that?
@@Thagomizernope
I had a thought, moldaver might have been frozen at Hollywood forever, it was a funeral services company. She had meetings there. Might have had cryogenic capsules there too.
You might be on to something here...sharp....
Nice catch.
Or was a clone... Possibly some sort of exsanguination-resanguination machine... Who knows?
or a synth maybe?
Since Aaron Paul reportedly wants to be in the show, I could totally see them introducing the remnants of the NCR through him as one of their rangers or something (if they do actually cast him).
If they felt like introducing a familiar character, he'd make a great Boone.
We already have the Vault dweller, the experience solo wastelander, the BoS rep, now we need the NCR companion so I really want Aaron Paul to be an NCR companion for Lucy
If I see Jesse Pinkman in the fallout show, my life will be complete
@@JuanTonSoupXP He obviously worked with Jonah Nolan on Westworld, so if he's out there saying he'd love to be in Fallout... come on, Nolan, make it happen!
Aaron Paul would go hard in the Fallout Show!
Is it just me, or was casting Erik Estrada as an NCR Ranger a stroke of subtle brilliance?
Who?
@@The_Lone_Outlaw Someone never watched CHiPs
@@sp4h704no someone isn’t 67 years old.
@@B1GTraV That's neat, neither am I
62* sorry
I thought Rose learned that ppl were already on the surface, hence she found out the water from their vault was being siphon from the surface is how she knew....and why she left
Yea the writing is horrific and I'm tired of people blowing the show so hard!
Lmao huh? The show was amazing...don't be mad you and Ox can't understand a simple scene @@johan9922
@@johan9922 please watch the show, oxhorn prediction is not canon bro.
this is the exact reason oxhorns just incompetent and didnt follow the plot
@@johan9922Sorry but I have to say my opinion is the opposite of yours 😀
Didn't the people who found the NCR come from a vault themselves?
Yes Shady Sands was founded by vault dwellers so for Oxhorn to say they were unaffiliated to vault-tec is not really correct. They might not have been part of Bud's plan but they were from a vault-tec vault originally.
@@janetd5121he's talking from Hank's perspective. And we gotta remember Hank didn't research the history of shady sands or NCR, he was a blind follower of the vault Tec plan and acted as such, believing the NCR was competition
Areidash is a descendant of Vault 15
@janetd5121 buds plan was only tied to vaults 31 32 and 33. And they did come from vault 15, but that was along time ago. And they focused on becoming a new civilization, they never held ties back to vault tec. So I wouldn't say the NCR was ever aligned or affiliated with vault tec.
yes vault 15 which was a vault filled with people with radically different ideologies which due to infighting forced it's inhabits to leave some became the various raider factions scattered across the western united states and the other's would later establish shady sands and consequently with the help of the Vault Dweller would end up founding the NCR
I think the canon ending for New Vegas has to be the Mr. House ending, because why else would hank be going their. Also, the wrecked vertibirds and wrecked securitrons and New Vegas being in ruins could have been the NCR coming back and trying to get revenge on Mr. House and trying to take New Vegas for themselves like they were trying to do during the events of fallout New Vegas.
If it’s the house ending it could be the brotherhood trying to avenge their fallen comrades who house had killed
Hank could be headed that way for a few reasons. To see House would be obvious. But there's also vault 21 on the strip and vault 3 just outside it. Perhaps there's more to those vaults than what we learned from NV.
I think the NCR is currently politically fragmented after the lost of Shady Sands, and Moldaver was leading a renegade band of NCR forces, which would explain why her forces was so weak when facing off against the Brotherhood. But she may become a martyr to bring the other NCR factions together.
I love this idea. Imagine an NCR driven mad by propaganda to take back Shady Sands, they'd be relentlessly charging like how the Legion did for Hoover Damn.
@@titocristobal5573 The funny clock man...
21:32 I just want to say that this scene here was straight lifted from the good the bad and the ugly, and I loved every second of it, and actually I think this entire season was one big western with that theme, Lucy being the good, the potential good of mankind, Maximus being the bad, ambition, betrayal and hatred, and the ghoul is the ugly, the ugly face of survival and how the wasteland can really destroy a good person. Really well done and this scene especially.
It was explained in the show that Muldavers experiment of cold fusion was rejected by vault Tech and she opposed vault tech. Specifically after shady sands was destroyed.
For Moldaver's longevity I'm speculating some measure of identical cloning, possibly memory imprints... maybe even synth copies. All I'm sure of is that Season 1 isn't the last we see of her. "Flame Mother" might refer to the phoenix being reborn from its ashes, the entire ritual in Vault 4 might also be alluding to that concept.
Cryostorage is somewhat more likely.
Ooooohhhhhh that's an interesting theory.
@@talideon Yeah, but it's been done too much now. Fallout 4, Bud's buds, I'd hope Moldaver's is something more interesting
One thing that I noticed about the crater of Shady Sands is it's rather big, so whatever was detonated had to have been a large load - nothing you can conceal on your body. The only options is either it was already there or the bomb was brought there with a truck.
The Most likely explanation are the self reloading Missile Silos in appalachia
Or launched from the Divide
It could be that Moldaver was rebuilding her cold fusion experiment and Hank sabotaged it, turning it into a bomb. That might explain how the Enclave scientist knew about her if her work was popularly known.
All of these are also good options
Or the reactor from vault 15. “Something buried beneath Shady Sands”. That’d be ironic, the thing that birthed Shady Sands is the thing that destroyed it
What confuses me is Moldaver is shown as older in the pre-war 2077 scenes then she is in the post-war flash backs with Lucy's mother. Why does Moldaver look younger when she's with Lucy's Mom? Is Moldaver a clone? Did she have some way to de-age herself?
She might woke up from cryo just like other people from vault tech like 10-15 years ago, so she could meet Hanks wife
@@zinzibil6358 But she was an older lady pre-war. So cryo sleep made her younger? She is shown as an older lady talking to Cooper Howard at an Anti-Vault Tec meeting before the bombs drop. Then 200 years later she is shown as younger talking to Lucy's mother in Shady Sands. What made her younger?
@@TechnicolorTube OH, I thaght you mean that she looks older after cryo
She is a bloody synth. Maybe you're on to something....
Perhaps she needed an extra dose of Mysterious Serum, or she's a synth, or she's developed her own life-extension drug -- I mean she's pretty smart. Lots of possibilities, so I'll wait for the next season.
Im sure the reason the Brotherhood did so well is because they had Maxin as reinforcmemts. The East Coast facton became the dominant faction, far stronger than the West Coast faction. Being unregulated by the counsil of Elders, Maxin is basicly the leader of the entire Brotherhood
He doesn’t even mention how the prydwen is there and that is most likely the east coast airship that’s reinforcing the west coast which explains why they are in a better position than they were in fallout 1/2 and new Vegas
Wasn't there also a mention somewhere that Maxson gets named High Elder after the fall of the institute?
In the show, we see only a contingency of Elder Cleric Quintus not the Lost Hills bunker which operated as the Brotherhood HQ of the West-Coast for over two centuries, populated with the best paladins, scribes, knights and the council of Elders. Absent of the Lost Hills means two possible reasons.
1. Lost Hills Brotherhood conducted an all-out war after or even before Shady Sands got nuke, that would explained why Quintus' contingency lives on the surface, because Lost Hills is gone in the 2nd (or 3rd) NCR-Brotherhood war, leaving Eastern Brotherhood the only Brotherhood power house. That would also explains the absent of the actual NCR military, war with Brotherhood hit them so hard that the military crumble to the ground and got disbanded or got order to rendevous in the other cities, leaves Moldaver and the Shady Sands remnants run alone.
2. Lost Hills Brotherhood was disbanded by the new High Elder, Brotherhood in Capital Wasteland could use Pentagon or 'The Citadel' as their new HQ. Arthur Maxson want to remove the old Brotherhood principles as he inherit both Lyon's and Brotherhood's core principles that seem to be inferior by Lost Hills, that would be the reason why he want the symbol of the old Brotherhood to be gone.
Both reasons will lead to the conclusion why Elder Cleric Quintus hates the current Brotherhood as he is one of the Lost Hills remnants and want to recreate a new Western Brotherhood that use the old principles that built the BoS up to this point itself.
Maxson*
My head cannon is that the NCR hasn't fought back because they are still waiting for the permit to authorize military action.
Ahh, good ol’ American military. It’ll never change lmao
Jack Cabot said he'd go to the Mojave. Maybe we'll see'em
Making more 'certain' choices cannon, pissing off that *one faction of the fanbase.. my Jack Cabot is still in that basement laboratory for eternity
@@chrissadler6459 I'm not saying to dispute u, but we can't move a story forward without making certain choices canon. We can only tell different stories in the same universe. Even then it's extremely hard. Fallout 2, 3, NV and 4 had to make certain choices canon to create their story even thou they take place in different areas. Stuff like NCR becoming dominant in the West, or the water chip being fixed in fallout 1. If we keep up this "we can't piss off fans" attitude, we are going to get a lot more lore problems
@@chrissadler6459 Name *one* successful show where the canon behaved like a quantum particle.
@@1nv15BL3 last of us ig? Idk
Don't quite get the confusion over Moldaver's appearance. I assumed she somehow had access to a cryo pod in a vault like in Fallout 3 and 4.
There are people who are in fact over 200 years old in the games without being ghouls or anything like that. I don't know why he's drawing a blank on that one.
Yeah, she said that Vault-Tec bought every company she worked for and the projects she did. It's not improbable that she had a cryopod stashed away somewhere. Or even cloning technology since that's canon, too.
It’s possible she get’s magically resurrected (by the flame mother cult) and is a lot older than a few centuries.
She's a synth
@@joejones1991 She's a Gary
I'm not sure about if Shady Sands is irradiated. If Lucy's Pip boy's geiger-muller counter reacted to a puddle of "dirty" water, why it didn't reacted near the crater of Shady Sands? The most realistic answer should be that a nuclear explosion above Shady Sands destroyed it and enough time has passed to no longer be irradiated, like in the case of the first nuclear weapons deployed in Japa
Idk if it mentions nuclear bombs in the show as I don't care to watch it. But it could've just been something like a bunch of old artillery shells rigged to explode, similar to a lot of IEDs overseas. But it would've had to be in a cart or vehicle of some kind.
I theorize the explosion was atomíc, but the result of a sabotage on Moldaver's cold fusion idea. Maybe Hank had help from the Enclave or someone else.
The nuclear bomb deployed could have been more like the one dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, where the radiation dispersed quickly
18:49 to be fair the main issue with the NCR in the Mojave and the reason House didn't believe in them was because they were spreading themselves thin and their bureocracy had made them make bad decisions, so it makes sense there wouldn't be an army there, also, as Stated by House the reason the NCR wins vs the brotherhood is because of their numbers, so it also makes sense they would lose to the Brotherhood if evenly matched
I honestly think that when she says that she buried her mother with hank she was referring to that to launch a nuke in vault tech you'd likely need two executives to input their I.D. codes to authorize the launch.
Player Choice is critical to NCRs existence.
FO1 - Don't save Tandi or Destroy the Raiders, no NCR
FO2 - Keep all the other factions against NCR
NV - Side against the NCR
The NCR history only exists if the player has supported it, which the lore assumes happens.
Unlike every other faction in the series, which only have checks in their respective games.... exception being the Brotherhood which seem to win arbitrarily because of reasons while being shown to lose or be in hiding for lacking resources while controlling the majority of resources.
The Brotherhood continuity has to be a running gag.
That's only the case with Fallout 1. The NCR can be completely screwed over by the end of 2 or New Vegas depending on your choices, but they're aren't gone either way.
@@Thagomizer In order for them to exist in 2, the Player had to support them in 1.
In order for them to be in position as they were in NV, they had to be supported by the Player in 2.
In order for them to be as described in the show...
They had to fall or "begin falling" in 2277, so they could be in position to attempt campaigns in New Vegas, so they could be bombed AFTER New Vegas 2281.
@@Thagomizer They might not be gone completely if Player doesn't dupport them in 2, but their influence and expanse in this case would be even smaller than "the Govermint" :)
@@Thagomizer That has to be the same for Fallout 2 for the same reason it’s true for Fallout 1; the next game.
Bethesda only keeps bos for marketing of course
That's what Muldaever was doing. She was rebuilding the NCR, why she wanted the Cold Fusion spark & was willing to get it from a defector (friend of hers) of the Enclave. She likely thought that with it, a brighter future would ensue.
I imagine that the reason Moldaver is currently the main NCR leader is due to how the destruction of Shady Sands led to NCR officers forming warlord states in the anarchy, as we see how many of the NCR's military are mostly interested in their own gain.
It could also be that they didn't return to Shady Sands because aside from the potential warlord issue, the destruction of Shady Sands could lead to repeats of the NCR correctional facility riot, alongside issues caused by opportunistic raiders, potential legion remnants, ect, which could possibly explain why Moldaver's force are the only NCR in the area, as the rest of the NCR military could be dealing with the previously mentioned threats.
theres also the brotherhood to deal with, Brotherhood were likely investigating the crater and who did it and why they did it(seen in flashbacks). plus with the showing of the prydwen and other signs of much larger strength. its likely the ncr have multiple fronts and simply dont have resources to take back shady sands or whats left of it.
Then there's the ending of Fallout New Vegas to take into account. Far as I know, they haven't chosen a canonical ending, this might change when season 2 comes rolling around, but perhaps the bulk of the NCRs fighting force is tied down against the Legion or something in the New Vegas region. Or perhaps they get eradicated by first fighting the Legion and then Mr. House's Securitrons. Either way, whatever remains of the NCR is clearly not in a great state, and so many factors could've contributed to why they haven't had time or the ability to rebuild Shady Sands.
@@Boomerrage32canonical ending of new Vegas should be clear. It’s stated all through the game in many places and by many people. It’s the theme of Vegas itself after all. “The house always wins”
@@Niiiiith I don't know, I think Yes Man. If it is the Mr House ending, it doesn't seem to have worked out for him very well, his city seems abandoned and in ruins.
I am curious to see if Moldaver was actually running much of the NCR or just a regional warlord.
Vault-Tec as a joinable faction would be cool to see in a future game
Moldaver looked about 35yo in flashback 1-2yrs before nukes. 219yrs later, she looks about 55-58. So only about 20-21yrs of life after nukes. Presuming she used cryo, if lived those yrs after one piece, she unfroze in mid 2270s, or she lived in intervals. Either way, when 1st unfroze would find herself in NCR, unless dates back, and way back to be one of Shady Sands founders. Either way that location/area would be important to her, cause pre nukes her entire work/company was there, so after nukes she stuck to it.
We will see.
Rose MacLean: Lucy during talk with Max said that up till she was 6yo, believed Vault light was Sun, only after mom gone, realized it was mom who made it feel real. Rose was hinted proclaimed dead (starved) during "Great Plague" of 2277 in Vault 33, when people starved (many died of starvation) and Hank dropped to 128 pounds, cause were forced to quarenten, and could not work on farms. All that sounds like manufactured cover up by Vault 31, for events in Vault 33 that happened during 2276 to 2277 when Rose went out with kids, and kids got back during (late) 2277 (would explain why Lucy has only short memory of all that), while Rose stayed out and was proclaimed dead. And only about 5yrs after all that Shady Sands got nuked. So quite some happened during those 5yrs, including NCR/Shady Sands internal political, economic and other issues, that led to Shady likely losing Capital of NCR status.
Again, we will see..
One thing just occured to me:
If Moldaver is such a big deal - she said herself "Everybody knows who I am!"
Why is the Ghoul surprised when he recognizes her on the poster when he's also been around for the last 200 years?
yeah he should have heard about her way sooner
From the first episode: he had been a prisoner of someone called Dom (Don?) Pedro, who kept him buried alive most of the time for the past 30 years. Moldaver is almost certainly less than 30 years older than Ms WIlliams from before the bombs was, so it's likely she was still in cryo when The Ghoul became a captive.
@@Tallenn Good point. Thought I caught an oversight there 😄 But I also still wonder what THAT was all about. (I mean the burying him for years part)
Just a note to anyone wondering. Talking to one of the Freeside NCR squatters in Fallout New Vegas will reveal that Shady Sands wasn't the capital at the time of New Vegas. The Freeside NPC refer to Shady Sands as "the FIRST capital of the NCR."
Also the refugees in Vault 4 probably DO think the NCR is totally gone. It's possible Moldaver encouraged that idea and that only blood and fire could bring it all back because she's placing the seed for a fanatical cult army down the line. She's called the "flame mother" which makes me think that her cold fusion technology might be related to ultracite from Fallout 76. Meaning that the means to achieve cold fusion always required nuclear war to generate the ultracite. Hence Hanks statement that she's no better than him. We MAY find how in the next season that Hank is exactly right on that point. How the hell did she survive 200+ years? Why is she called "The Flame Mother?"
In a Fallout playthrough these would all scream "red flag" to me. Dubious motivation and a hidden agenda.
The sqautter quiz asks you what was the original name of the capital (it was changed to NCR in fallout 2), the answer is "Shady Sands"
@@slizz376 That seems like an awkward choice for a name. “England is my city” could be real in the Fallout universe.
@@slizz376 No. NCR means New California Republic. That's the name of the government, not the name of the city the government uses as its' capital. The Name of Washington DC is Washington DC not United States of America.
A republic is a type of government. The Squatter quiz referring to an "original" capital of the NCR means there has been more than one city used as a capital.
That Shady Sands still represents an important political center in 2281 is consistent with it being the old capital.
This mirrors US history in that Washington DC was NOT the first capital. Philadelphia was. But that was never popular with the other major cities because Philadelphia was a competitor. The creation of Washington DC was a deliberate attempt to avoid the problem of what existing city should be the capital by creating a new city.
@@JacquesLapeyre You are wrong about Shady Sands, but not because it was marked as "NCR" in Fallout 2. The government, including president Kimball, was still located in Shady Sands during the events of NV, makes no sense to move the capital, but not the government. Besides, why would Hank destroy the first capital of the NCR and not the current one? Especially if we assume that 2277 was the year when Shady Sands "fell".
Wrong, the question was what was the original name of the Capitol. Not what was the original capitol
My theory is that once the NCR lost it's capital, it broke up into a multitude of smaller decentralized NCR groups. Moldaver is the leader of the shady sands remnant NCR.
Lucy (depicting the player character) triggering the fallout theme by touching the NCR flag makes me think, that it'll be Lucy's main quest line (overarching theme in all seasons to come) to re-unite and potentially even lead the NCR.
The minutemens influence seems to have made it all the way to the west coast when Thaddeus contacts the BOS, the guy running the radio station was broadcasting the minuteman song
I was waiting for minutemen to appear but then i realized its far away from commonwealth. 😅
I sooo want them to use the 'Metallic Monks' track in season 2. By far the best track in all fallout games.
Anyone see multiple Fallout series? Each one focusing on a different time period/faction? Kinda like Star Trek?
But each somehow has the BOS lol
No I think Todd is going to stick with the NCR, and simply because the fans liked the armor in new Vegas. I can however see Todd continuing to take a massive dump on the lore, and slowly but surely the series turning into a soap opera/sit com.
Nope. They're too lazy
I wanna see a Nick Valentine noir series either in a new but troubled Commonwealth after a minuteman victory or a bit before fallout 4.
@@callmecalvin7297 But that is the definition of laziness, letting a promising series go to waste by turning it into a soap opera.
It wouldn't surprise me if we learned in Season 2 that after the NCR lost the second battle of Hoover Dam to either House or the Courier (Independent Ending) they relocated their capital to a place like Vault City, Redding, New Reno or The Hub. And after Arron Kimbal was either removed from office or killed (leaning toward killed if my theory of the Independent Ending is the cannon ending to New Vegas considering the post credit pull way at the end of Season 1) the new NCR president decided to focus on rebuilding, consolidating their power and stop their rapid expansion. Given that, when Shady Sands got boomed the new NCR president decided that Shady Sands was a low priority so only sent Moldaver to rally the survivors as a token gesture to keep the voters off their back.
From that perspective it would make sense as to why when the Brotherhood attacked Moldaver's forces they were so weak, the main NCR basically left Moldaver to lead a skeleton crew. Given how they were depicted in New Vegas that seems to fit with their track record.
So the Game was rigged from the start, Moldaver was fucked from the begining
I agree with your assessment.
Well… potentially not completely. If moldaver succeeded at her cold fusion project(which she did), she has once again put shady sands on the map. A ncr struggling with debt and reliant on the expensive water and power of new Vegas potentially gaining access to cold fusion… that information could prove vital for the rebuilding of ncr and putting them back on the map. However… just as cold fusion is accomplished… brotherhood forces come in and take it… maybe even occupying the region with troops. Once ncr realises cold fusion is in shady sands, they are going to likely return in force… but they need to organise to do it. Something some of their leaders might be hesitant to do without assurances that house or the courier won’t cripple them financially. That’s why season 2 is focusing on new Vegas. Because if the situation in Vegas changes… then potentially NCR can strike at the brotherhood, probably in a 3rd battle of new Vegas.
Though moldever was likely set up to fail, she almost certainly got the attention of NCR back on shady sands.
The NCR won the battle at the hover damm, then the bomb at Shandy Sands explode. After this, the NCR was weakend and the troops have to come back, leaving new vegas. Maybee there are now intern strugles about the new capital or who ist in charge now. The NCR headquater in the Series are survicors from the area who dont give up the Shandy Sands.
An more interesting point is why the Brotherhood ist there after the bomb blows Up and rescued Maximus... Maybe they are involved in this?
@@captaincutler3973 maybe… it certainly depends what we make of the new Vegas post credits for fallout tv series season 1, where we see both downed vertibirds and wrecked securitrons. That could imply an ending where ncr could have stormed the strip in force, or another battle we haven’t seen yet… like maybe brotherhood or trace parts of the legion attacked new Vegas, only to be beaten back by the forces of the combined forces of securitrons and ncr… though not without significant losses. Evidently… regardless of what happened… Vegas was attacked again, and i didn’t fare quite as well.
Moldaver is a synth since she knows Siggy from the Commonwealth
I noticed the background music as well, I love it, sure wish we would've gotten more than 8 episodes. I still have so many questions, next season is so far away.
I want to believe the Fallout theme is going to be the giveaway in future seasons as to what the main faction/characters the story will focus on. In the games not only do you find out about the corruption around the wasteland, but you also bring it to light in ways you bring hope to those you help. Obviously helping some might make other your enemies, but that’s the nature of the Fallout universe. Can’t be friends with everyone. This series is shaping to become one of the best ones to come out in a long time and I’m here for all of it. The attention to detail is incredible and it captivates fans of the games while the storyline brings in new fans. It’s brilliant
Either Lucy will join and restore the NCR or she'll be a very important ally to them later on.
We know that vault tech was after the United States government's Nuclear launch Silos, we know from Canon from Fallout 76 that the overseer of 76 was tasked with a secondary mission to take control of the Appalacha's automated Silos. So if a few other vaults were given this same task and not having to deal with the same security of the automated Silos of West Virgina, It could be possible for someone from vault 31 with knowledge given to them by vault tec to find where high yield nukes silos where located.
Todd Howard even has a hard time saying new vegas lol he really hates the fact that obsidian made a better fallout than Bethesda, and he can't get over it
Oxhorn: "he's a mobster posing as a governor" Me: "So a governor?"
No doubt, is there really that much difference? I'm reminded of the lines in The Godfather: Kay: "Presidents and Senators don't have men killed!" Michael: "Who's being naive, Kay?"
I really loved the scene in the lead farmer's home, such a great riff on The Good, The Bad and The Ugly. Erik Estrada was great showing just absolute terror at The Ghoul being there.
My take from FO4 is that the BoS is on the way up, I mean they went from hiding out in bunkers to having whole airships. Two now actually and on both coasts of the US. The Prydwin and whatever the airship from the show is called. I think the canon ending for FO4 has the BoS still active in The Commonwealth
I want to recant my statement about there being two airships. If you pay close enough attention to the side of the ship it says Prydwin
Wait, really? You mean to tell me the faction that todd howard DROOLS over is on the come up? Are you CRAZY?
Oxhorn? At 9am?
*sips coffee* Okay. I'm up.
The NCR is also shown in the post end credits for episode 8. Vertibirds with the NCR logo were shown crashed in New Vegas. So I think they are still a thing. Factions come and go in Fallout. Heck, you can totally wipe out three of them yourself in FO4. That is exactly what Hank was going on about (and what the game is about). Until one faction can reign supreme every faction is still in the running and at war. And you know: War. War only changes players.
Here’s a what if for you. What if that rival organization that the Vault Tec executive was talking about. Was actually the Institute. And that the Institute had a different way of preserving human life. Which preserving only the mind. And that Moldaver was actually a synth. After all, they had done this with the Boston, Detective and Nick Valentine.
I actually have a very good analogy for the situation of what happened to Shady Sands and the NCR. This is what I like to call “Pulling a Johnny Flashback” for those of you who haven’t played Cyberpunk 2077, it’s worth mentioning that it isn’t just a random game CD Projekt Red made, rather the first virtual game that of a long running Tabletop RPG Series, and in one of those Games we could see Johnny Silverhand Raid on Arasaka Tower…
Long story short, the Events described by the Tabletop Game and what Cyberpunk 2077 depicts happening are completely inaccurate. CD Projekt Red later damage-controlled by saying “oh, Johnny is a crazy schizo narcissist boy so of course it would be inaccurate” the fanboys bought this excuse hook line and sinker, but i could very easily tell it was just a clever excuse to save face at poor communication between the source material and the Adapters. We can prove this was never the original interpretation of Johnny’s Flashback being nonsense as other characters in the game describe that event occurring exactly as Johnny remembers it.
We are seeing this again with Fallout. In the End Credits of one episode we see a charred Schoolbus of Shady Sands, with a Library Book showing a list of checkout and return dates. The last checkout date? *2277.* So unless this kid chose to steal the book but kept bringing it with her to school, Shady Sands was destroyed, i the minds of the Showwriters, in 2277. This whole “Oh, the Fall was something else, it got blown up after FNV” is 100% a case of pulling a Johnny Flashback.
It’s a easy excuse that most will accept and move on with, hell, I’ll accept it too, but I’m operating under no illusions that this wasn’t just convenient Damage Control.
Yeah ngl, I think bethesda right now is going into complete damage control mod at the moment rlly.
@@Randomusername998-ti3tn I’m actually interested in seeing how season 2 has changed due to fan reception. Before they probably would have had the NCR completely dead, but now they may show their other cities still alive.
@@jakespacepiratee3740 It's probable, but I still doubt it somehow, plus considering the track record of the director, alot of his shows kind of go south after the first season, idrk though I'll keep my mind open.
@@Randomusername998-ti3tn but people don’t do the same thing over and over…he’s probably learned since then
The fact that Maxwell is a survivor of shady sands, and then joined their sworn enemy, the brotherhood of steel... there is a huge story an character development bound to happen there.
The whole cult scene was so unsettling. whose blood were they drinking there?
The fact that Hank had access to a nuke to even fire at Shady Sands, somewhat re enforces that Vault Tek did indeed drop the first bombs.
Not so sure we will have a happy ending. Fallout is grimdark, it's not really designed to have a happy ending. I hope NCR does recover, but the whole theme of Fallout is "War never changes" so a peaceful ending is unlikely!
Man, I just wanna know if The Ghouls wife really agreed to press the button , knowing her daughter is out there with her dad ? Love the fallout lore ha
China dropped the bombs. Like, that's not even up to debate. Fallout 2 and Fallout 4 both say this specifically, with both the dialogue with Richardson and the terminal entries in the Switchboard.
@@Chopstorm. could also be proper gander or a lie put into terminals by Vault-Tek. Or.. people could have assumed it was china, I mean a 200 year old terminal entry isn't solid proof. it was likely televised as China dropped the bombs. I mean yeah they aren't gunna say "hey vault tek did it now go hide in their shelters"
@@JimboSlice-cg5ky Yeah, something is still left unexplained there. I doubt she was the one who pushed the button.
Thank you, Ox. Ive only ever played fo4 so i dont know all this other history. I hope you give us a cliff notes version of 1, 2, 3, 4, new vegas, 76, and the things between. I tried to watch your play through vids, but... these are very long games and im old.
Just hand the show over to oxhorn at this point cause the show runners obviously are just scooping whatever they can out of the boneyard at this point, writing wise
12:23 I am 100% convinced that this is the connection to the magical entities on fallout, and that Moldaver was blessed by one such entity, you have covered in previous videos the cuthulu-esque beings in the fallout universe and I believe that these blood sacrifices and rituals are what has kept moldaver alive for the last 200 years.
Maybe mother of flame was a name given to her because she survived the Great War, and she even survived shady sands, where Lucy’s mother did not, maybe this magical regeneration is how she will return next season. I’m just glad that didn’t throw away that magic aspect in the show, it makes everything much more eerie and sinister.
i hope we find out more about the NCR, Legion, New Vegas and maybe even the courier 6 in the following seasons, i an very much intrigued to see where the story goes
The show only acknowledged the world-building of the West Coast Fallout games in order to justify its exclusion.
@@Thagomizer perhaps, but i hope we will get more worldbuilding
Maybe Lucy gets to new Vegas and is greeted by "Courier 6 Owned Securitrons"
Maybe we get to see Ulysses still yapping about bears and bulls in a distance
I like to imagine the NCR people we see in the show are some type of extremist group that never gave up on shady sands while the rest of NCR moved on with their lives
Heck yeah I'm having a rough morning at work and then I come across a fresh new Oxhorn video.
I picked the NCR in New Vegas. Your video explaining why you picked the NCR is very well done. However, even though I picked them, I’m still mad at the NCR, because of the high taxes and they are slowly turning Goodsprings into a ghost town. So yeah, I’m really curious to see their fate in season 2.
I think House was actually the best option for the game and the NCR. House would have stopped the NCR's expansion east and forced them to focus on solidifying what they already had, no more overextension.
@@janetd5121hey it’s written all throughout the game. The theme of Vegas itself. “The house always wins”. House definitely needs to be the canon ending. Will be the most interesting going forward for sure
@@janetd5121 Mr. House has some great ideas, but in the long run, he isn’t the best. Mainly because his ideas only benefit himself and Vegas. Ox said so himself. On top of that, he puts a massive tax on the water when it comes to business with the NCR. On top of that he forces you to murder the Mojave BOS chapter(that’s what made me turn against House). Yeah, sure the NCR ordering you to do that at first but least they’re open for a peace treaty. If Mr. House does that to certain factions without negotiations, who else would he do that to? I just don’t trust him, especially after watching that meeting in the TV show.
Pretty solid analysis. I wasn't really surprised the NCR was in for some rough times. Something that gets left out in a lot of the discussion about this is that New Vegas presents the NCR crumbling. I think we'll see a fragmented West Coast going forward but the NCR still around.
It's actually not so solid as in interviews Todd Howard said they focus stories to local confined areas and communication is slow and hard in this world, the NCR is still around. Oxhorn completely ignored this it seems or never heard it.
@@janetd5121 I think if you watch the whole video, Ox does address it. In fact toward the end of it, he plays the clip where Todd talks about the NCR not being totally gone and Ox also says the NCR has a part to play going forward. I am not sure if he referenced that specific interview. Todd has given more than one. The main point (i.e. the NCR is not totally gone) though he does.
If it was crumbling it wouldn't have been seen as a threat to vault tech, but sure go off.
The NCR was not crumbling. It just over extended itself.
@@detrik01 Go back and watch the scene. Civilization returning was the threat. Vault Tec's lies being exposed was the threat. It's not that the NCR was doing well. It's that it existed at all. New Vegas is clear, the NCR was in bad shape on it's own before Hank set off the nuke.
As the inventor of cold fusion, her moniker SHOULD be "FlameLESS Mother"
could be that the whole "first capital" of NCR is like how, for example, in South Africa there's three different capitals (Pretoria, Cape Town, and Bloemfontein) based on three different branches of government (Executive, Legislative, Judicial)
NCR AND PROUD!
I've been struggling to understand the contention over Shady Sands and the "fall" of the NCR. Anyone who has spent a decent amount of time in FNV, let alone hundreds of hours, knows full well that the NCR was in serious decline. Stretched at every point, terrible morale, corruption, motives and ethics internally questioned. I think you're right. The stirring Fallout theme used VERY deliberately and very sparingly. It's the stir of the NCR again. Perhaps regaining it's former values and even numbers. It's coming back to California in future seasons without a doubt.
The NCR itself wasn't in decline, but its campaign in the Mojave certainly was.
The NCR wasn’t in serious decline. At all. They were stretched thin in the Mojave but not in California. They were the dominant power in the entire US wasteland and it was only rivalled by The Legion.
1 million + people called it home by 2281 and they were losing 1,000 soldiers in the Mojave alone per year by 2281 meaning they had at minimum around 7,000-10,000 soldiers in the Mojave if we assume a 10-20% casualty rate. The mojave was the hottest part of their front.
So no. Your point is invalid. It’s just poor writing.
Not a nuclear physicist, but given the lore behind Fallouts nukes and what we see, the crater of Shady Sands appears to have been a subsurface detonation. Thats the only way to get such a massive crater while leaving buildings standing so close to its edge.
Thank god, to me i grew up with the ncr, they are my favourite faction and i really hope there story dosent end, they are the best hope for people of the west coast. I was so devastated to learn what happened to shady sands and seeing the well in the flash back brought a tear ngl
Yeah it's annoying seeing how it was "portrayed" before they decided to blow it up. It bothers me
I'm pretty sure Hank was insanely jealous when he found out his wife had emotionally moved on with someone else so he bombed the place.
You've just assumed they were in a relationship. Can two people not be good friends with common goals without being in a relationship?
@@joshuareynolds23 It could have either been a really close friendship, roommates or a romantic relationship, I think Hank is not the kind of person who likes to be out of control. That's the point of what I'm trying to say. I'm talking about Hank's character. You don't have to make it a whole political thing
@@calamitybrain5012 I wasn't making it political you said she had moved on emotionally that implies a relationship. Where as their bond felt way more like friendship between two people with common goals
@@joshuareynolds23 either way she was done with Hank but Hank was not done with her. He wouldn't let her take the kids and thought it prudent to destroy her and thousands of others
@@calamitybrain5012 I mean he was perfectly willing to literally end the world destroying one city isn't an overreaction on his part. It's like a relatively minor reaction for him. Hes literally a person who participated in genocide before all this even started. Don't get me wrong it's one hundred percent because he thinks he knows better and, can't let go of control but, shady sands was light work for him.
I presume NCR ending of New Vegas is canon now with Mr. Huse disconnected but alive and NCR took over New Vegas and made it their second capital, when suddenly it got attacked by army of Deathclaws and abandoned. Season 2 will also follow a storyline that will explain who send those Deathclaws (I think it was Vault-Tech). NCR has no more power amror to spend since all of those troopers died during siege of New Vegas.
I really enjoyed the show, but words cannot describe how afraid i am of what will happen in season two. When we see new vegas there are no lights, no people in the streets, no sign of NCR or legion, only Hank presumably trying to find mr. House. Despite all the plotholes in the show, none of it direcly afects the games, but the show now has the power to decide what the fate of new vegas was, and I pray to Yes man that they don't blow it.
Apparently, some people genuinely aren't able to remember anything at all that happened before the age of 6 or 7. But even when we do, we still can't always remember things linearly, sometimes its just flashes of events things or places. I'm not sure how old Lucy is, but it is possible Hank gaslit her into thinking the memories were dreams, or a story she made up while playing make believe. I don't know how much younger Norm is than Lucy, but she seems really young in the flashbacks, if he was a toddler he would likely not remember at all, being able to form autobiographical memories (things you can recall having lived throughout your life) at that age is very rare. Also, to muddle it even more, your brain can from false memories. I had a couple really "vivid memories" from when I was really young sbout trips me and parents took that turned out to have been dreams I had, of places similar enough to other kinds of places they did take me to regularly, but that when you recall the details, those two particular places in the "memories" don't actually exist anywhere in the world. Memory is a fascinating thing. I'm also curious about the famine that supposedly killed Rose officially. Was it a real thing that actually did happen close enough in time that Hank was able to manipulate the kids into remembering the two things as overlapping? Or was there never a famine, and he and Betty just privately told little Lucy and Norm that it was a really hard time for everyone and to just never speak of it, because it would only upset people, and they obeyed, so it never came up that he lied about it?
I have my own theory about what is going on with the NCR.
I think that the NCR was in the process of becoming like the Roman Empire when it was in the process of splitting between the Eastern Empire, centered around Constantinople, and the Western Empire, centered around Rome. So you have the primary capital of Shady Sands, their first one, and a second capital centered somewhere else (The Hub, Vault City, etc). The bear has 2 heads after all. You could even say that the Fall of Shady Sands was when it stopped becoming the singular capital of the NCR.
Now, why was everyone talking about Shady Sands and their policies and influences in New Vegas? Because the 2nd capital was in the northern end of the NCR, and Shady Sands ended up being in control of the southern end, which is where Vegas and the Hoover Dam was located, meaning that they would have been the ones in charge of any operations out there.
After the nuking of Shady Sands, the other capital decided to focus on addressing the internal problems in their half of the country since the NCR under Shady Sands was over extended, exhausted, and run more by the Braman Barrons, and they left the Shady Sands area to fend for themselves. Much like how the Western Roman Empire was allowed to fall apart by the Eastern half of the empire.
But that's just my thought.
I just hate that too me it really feels like "fucking stop asking for Fallout on the west coast!" and so they blew up shady sands, and show new Vegas at the end of season as dilapidated, no lights on, and ruined walls.
Just feels bad ya know?
heavily agree with this take
Sounds too me you are just reading stuff into it. If anything, the succes of the show makes a new actual game only more likely.
But go on, blackpill yourself with negative speculation, "Todd Howard hates NV"-cliches and reading way too much into the last shot of a show from miles away.
Most brainless take I’ve seen
@@SuperCreeper38 if you say so. But the idea that Bethesda would give up one of their most popular story lines is actual brainmelt.
You might not like what they do with it, New Vegas fanboys are a special breed in that regard, but thinking they will just shelf it then you are straight up delusional.
@@bacchus8081 Bethesda has done much sillier things in the past. Giving them way too much credit.
I get the sense that means the NCR moved all their resources to concentrate on New Vegas as they had finally taken full control of the area and their capital at Shady Sands was simultaneously destroyed.
5:48 the difference between a scientist and bureaucrat. A scientist does an experiment to see the result. A bureaucrat does an experiment to prove a previously agreed result.
The reality is that Moldaver calling her settlement the "HQ" of the NCR doesn't necessarily mean anything. The NCR was huge, and all corners of it wouldn't have extremely easy communication with one another. Much like the Brotherhood, there are likely other settlements that consider themselves the torchbearers of the NCR now who may not even know Moldaver and her group exists. Depending on how much the NCR lost in Shady Sands, it also might not have been a simple matter of coming back in and re-establishing themselves.
When it comes to Fallout theorycrafting, you always have to stay very local with your thinking and resist the urge to start drawing larger conclusions about massive entities like the NCR, or the Enclave, or the Brotherhood, etc. because the writers can and likely will always reveal that there's some heretofore unseen chapter, or force, or settlement out there.
This pretty much is what Todd Howard said about their strategy in game development: it is always very local because of poor communications. You even see that with the BoS. For all their tech, they have to transmit an image by relaying by radio a signal that someone has to draw onto a pieced of paper, dot by dot, like a human fax machine.
I can't wait for season 2.
The explanation we need for the BoS' strength comes from the fact that the Prydwen is there. Plus all the T-60. This means the Eastern Brotherhood (most likely under Maxon) is now in control. To futher back this up, it is mentioned that they are now getting orders from the Commonwealth. (Not sure what they are still doing there 9 years after destroying the institute especially without the Prydwen, which also suggests they have a permanent base of operations in Boston)
Prob the canon end of fallout 4 is BOS with minutemen
The NCR, like any "empire" is going to go through expansions and contractions. There was already talk during New Vegas that they were over-extending themselves and their resources. I don't think Moldaver is a recognized leader for the NCR (at least not anymore). She's taken it upon herself to lead the remaining forces in the area, similar to what warlords in other eras have done. There's still an "official" NCR capital and region of control, just not in the south anymore. San Francisco, Sacramento, and Reno are all possible locations. One of the games (1 or 2) puts the NCR total population at a million people or more. Shady Sands was only 34,000+ of that. Two dam battles, whatever happened in New Vegas from the end credits, and the nuking of Shady Sands finally broke them and sent them backwards to redraw the lines of their borders, until they can recover. And losses like that can also cause unrest internally for the areas they do still control, meaning forces that would be used to retake lost areas are being used to maintain control in normally "safe/controlled" areas.
Ruining the lore is awful but wipe the NCR from the face of the earth is totally unforgivable.
Why have speculation when you can take the word from the horses mouth himself? Direct quote from Todd Howard, "One of the takes that we always have is to approach things very locally when we're doing Fallout. We're careful about saying what's going on in other parts of the world. And we always take this view of, communication is difficult. And look, if you look at the background, the NCR is a wide-ranging sort of organization and group across not just California, but other places. So the show focuses on this period of time and this group here, and that's what we can say right now. But I don't think you've heard the last of the NCR."
Make sense, NCR is a massive nation. So would they rename a different town as shady hills as an honorific to the original capital? Since shadey sands in the tv show is closer to Hollywood, whereas in the games is somewhere closer to the Sierra Neveda mountain range.
It could help bridge to a degree between both mediums
Not fully astute about my fallout lore, but wasn't the NCR founded by vault people?
Ah yes, Todd Howard, the biggest liar in gaming who never admits his mistakes. Sure, let's pretend everything he said is what he really meant to happen, let's pretend he didn't intentionally use the show to destroy the lore for Fallout 1,2, and NV.
@@G2Bryce Prove what you say has any factual ground in reality. You are accusing him and Nolan of a conspiracy to ruin fallout NV intentionally, prove it.
They did not ruin lore according to the creator of fallout Tim Cain, he has said lore changes slightly each installment, they even changed it in 2 from 1. He said the ghoul lore was intentionally left vague for the future. Here you are claiming to know more than Fallout's creator, prove your claims.
Bethesda said New Vegas is canon, they just never told you what ending is canon. Perhaps you need to watch season 2 before going tin foil hat.
@@G2Bryce He isn't even the writer, showrunner or director of the show so how would he be the one trying to use the show to destroy anything? He's one of the executive producers and not even a producer who are more involved in the filmmaking process. Also why would he try to destroy the lore? Bethesda doesn't have any rivalry with Obsidian or Interplay last I checked, except for the made up stories about them being enemies which some fallout fans try to cook up.
I'm not a big fan of what happened to the NCR in the show either, but I doubt Todd is out there trying to intentionally destroy any lore lol.
@@romansionis2470 you obviously haven't been paying attention. Todd Howard himself has taken credit for all of these changes. He admit he intentionally did this when clarifying the drama about Shady Sands.
20:05 actually it appears 3 times! In the very first part of the first episode right when the bombs drop, they play a rendition of the “fallout theme”. The notes they play during this scene are ALMOST identical to the iconic note progression of the theme song. I believe they have it in a different key or have a note of the progression changed but if you listen closely you hear it
6:03 I think it’s safe to say that Hank dropped a bomb, the location of witch was probably supplied to him by vault-tec, if you remember Maximus told lucy that he “was a kid when the bombs dropped”, he was there and he hid in a fridge to escape the attack, it’s also consistent with the fact that there is a giant crater which I don’t believe would be the case if the bomb was underground, hank could have set off a device or a reactor in shady sands, but considering Max’s testimony it would be safe to say a bomb was dropped.
90% of this show's problems could have been solved had it been set in Chicago or Texas, or something.
Todd just had to bury Obsidian, he will never let it go
Beth shills aren't qualified to talk F lore.
how about tim cain the guy who created the franchise? he loved the show and saw literally zero issues with its lore
You cannot convince me that this is isn't a plot to basically erase the results of Fallout 1 2 and new Vegas
True, the NCR will have a significance in the show, but so will the BOS. Plus, we've yet to see the small and big bads of the Fallout universe, some new and some familiar.
First by the way, I love your videos I’ve been a fan of them since 2022. Keep up the good work.
Btw I’m your first like
Wow
In my opinion it makes sense. This is the post apocalypse. The NSR can't be invincible. They have to lose somethin.
NO. Its POST POST apocalypse. Its 200 years after the Old World DIED. The NCR was formed from Shady Sands, a farming community, and Fallout 2 it was the CAPITAL of the New California Republic. It was showing society was progressing FORWARD.
By the time of FNV they already reformed 5 STATES of what was once parts of the South West and Colorado.
I think the NCR is still stretched thin like in New Vegas, they may have held the dam, but that doesn't mean they'll become stronger, if anything Hoover Dam is weakening them by needing so many people to hold it
This is why I call the series "Fallout Retcon".
Hank is cartoonishly evil and his motivations are stupid. This is bad writing and nobody should be defending it
So was the enclave and vault Tec in the first two fallout games. Cartoonishly evil is part of the tone of fallout. We are first introduced to the enclave by them mowing down vault dwellers waving at them. Then the chosen one sees frank horrigan doing the same thing to tribals and joking about what they want for lunch.
Also Hank isnt just evil, he is a blind loyalist. He didn't even try to find out if NCR was affiliated with vault Tec, because he blindly believes in the mission vault Tec had before he was frozen. He has clear motives outlined in the show, and when he gets into any periods of chaos he defaults back to what he knows from vault Tec, which is why he is heading to Vegas. We don't know the exact reason but it's clear its something to do with what he was told pre war by vault Tec.
It actually tracks perfectly with how vault-tec operates. Idk if you've played the games?
Typical popular = bad comment. go find something else to trash on
Bethesda is erasing all non-Bethesda Fallouts, so that the only choice are the microtransaction apps they call games.
Actual question cause I don’t remember: in the show did they call it the “Griffin” observatory? As opposed to the real world Griffith Observatory? Or just a misspeak in the video? I’ve no memory of it one or the other haha.
i m gonna say this, as someone who has been with fallout since the first one, and to this day i still play 1st and 2nd and new vegas all the time, While i was shocked and mad shady sands was destroyed, but also as a narrative i think its a bold choice i like when things like this happen, Like Killing Optimus prime and the G1s, i was shocked sad mad but looking back it made transformers better it made a compelling story that people still argue about to this day
Great episode Ox! I never noticed the detail about the theme music, loved it! 😁
I've been watching you forever, I'm happy i got back to my Fallout love and found your channel again!
One thing that bugs me... doesn't shady sands not exist anymore. It was shady sands in fallout 1 and only fallout 1. When you come to what was previously shady sands in fallout 2 I'm pretty sure it's just known as the new California Republic. All these people calling it shady sands now makes no sense because most of them probably wouldn't know what shady sands was. After the first game everyone else calls it the NCR and unless you go through some dialogue you could probably play through all of fallout 2 without realizing it even was shady sands.
The fun thing about the show is it's roughly a blank canvas so anything can happen