There are a bunch of settings to change what the HUD shows. You can trim down to show as little as you want. Imperial units are something I'm been looking into, but not available yet. The key number to watch fire-wise is "Oxygen Availability", which you want to keep at 100% for a clean burn. "Oxygen Supply" is how much air you're getting in the fire, but doesn't tell you if it's too much or not enough. Down at the bottom of the HUD you can see the brake information for your entire train. By default the HUD shows all the cars of a job together on one line, but you can change that to show each individual car, so you don't have to teleport around. The "Derail" number is a percentage. At 100% or thereabouts it'll pop off the rails, but it's probabilistic so there are no guarantees. It might keep holding to 105%, or conversely you'll hit an irregularity in the rail and derail at 95%. When the chuffing stops at low cutoff, the steam is condensing in the cylinders due to not enough superheat (depends on the fire temp), so when the exhaust valves open there's basically no pressure left. I was told somewhere else that the brakes on a car would take ~10-15 seconds to release, but that's also something that's easy to change.
Cheers again! Glad for the HUD info. I think I'll turn off the MPH mod for now until I can get one consistent set of freedom units :P I don't mind metric too much. Just programmed to say "miles an hour..." too much Top Gear. :P Interesting on the chuffing stopping... if you're exhausting something, it would still make a sound. If you're truly completely condensing, you're working water, which makes a hideous sound otherwise. The blast nozzle is small enough that you should still get a "chuff" unless something in the gear is preventing admission, like I was talking about. The 10-15 seconds to release sounds about right, especially depending on the train, but I think that's moreso losing all the force rather than the sound. The sound you hear is a really quick "pssssh" as demonstrated, and then it still takes a bit for the cylinder to work back to starting position and get all the linkage moving after it's finished. It's likely perfectly fine, and perhaps even desired to have it the way you've set with the sound existing the whole time until recharge; just a neat little difference I noticed. Again, cheers for the brilliant work. :)
when i'm using the HUD mod, i only see basic info about the engine. never all the physics details about steam generation, fire temperature, etc. and i dont see an option to turn on these extra info. what am i doing wrong? are there different hud mods?
Hyce, the whistle is the 5 chime sound from The Polar Express!!! honestly, I feel like "of course they picked _that_ whistle". it's a classic 5 chime(namely from Sierra #3), and it DOES sound epic, like you said
@@christophergarland7936 actually, no. the 5 chime IS featured in the movie, since Sierra #3 was as well, cosplaying as Central Pacific #131. but the BTTF version is louder, and shrill. The Polar Express whistle, on the other hand, is clearer and sharper soundwise. you'll definitely notice the similarity if you play Hyce blowing the whistle alongside The Polar Express whistle
That whistle is from the Sierra Railway #3. That specific recording was used in the Polar Express of all movies. And yes, it is a 5 chime. Specifically a Lima 5 chime with a 5 inch diameter.
@@elijahgreenberg2634 Couple nights ago with the mod I took 2000 tons from Iron West down to the Mill the long way through Food Factory and made it with only a single engine. Was pretty close at a few points though, particularly the slope out of Food Factory towards the wye at the bottom of the loop. Max sustained grade on that route is probably between 1.5% and 2% I think.
With the steamer overhaul, I usually like to keep around 150 to 200 kg of coal in the firebox. If you really need a lot of pressure though, you can just shove as much coal as you need in to get the fire temp up, as long as you are working hard enough to get a good draft from the cylinders, as they will be able to keep more coal at 100% oxygen than the blower can. Also, the unmarked nob on the right of the hydrostatic-lubricator-looking-thing is the stoker engine, which you can adjust (approximately) to match your coal consumption rate, if you are trying to keep a certain amount in the firebox.
The whistle is saying: "Why do I keep ceasing to exist only to be reborn and destroyed over and over again!?!?!" Its existence is pure agony and you're making light of it.
Your talk about switchspeeds made me curious. In Germany the speed on standard swiches is 60 km/h. There are swiches wiht lower speeds but tere is advice agains using them because of maintanance. Since we have dedicated highspeed rail in Germany there are switches with movable frogs that ccan be traversed with 280 km/h on the sraight leg and up to 200 km/h on the diverging leg. The largest ones result in a length of about 170 meters.
Oh yes, in high speed rail applications that is certainly true. Over here in the States, not so much. We have some that are good for mainline track speed (79 MPH, a touch over 100 KPH), but most are not. Particularly, I was commenting on the diverging angle of the switches as-modeled in game - pretty sharp for the speeds listed.
You missed my favorite valve in the steamer - The auto stoker! It's all the way to the right in that set of three. Great fun, and great to see the mods working now!
Uh, Hyce if you think about it, oil tankers can be a substitute for passenger cars, except the people are made of toxic fluids and other hazardous materials. 👍😆😄💗❤️
@@KyleTheGamer574 nice to see someone watching this old Hyce video two years later :). Can't believe it's already been this long since the video came out. :o
If you find yourself a little short on steam give the blower 1 or 2 notches (roll the scroll wheel 1 or 2 clicks) when you're coasting. That should get you back up by the next hill. A bit of a challenge, try to end your run with around 60kg of coal in the firebox. I like running that much for yard/shunting work.
Interesting that you mention some locomotives going lame if you pull them back far enough. Some engines here in Britain, particularly those designed by Stroudley, will run at a good speed in either direction, with the lever in mid-gear. The expansion links have enough bodily swing to them that they still influences the valve after the lever is put right in the centre!
Yes, there certainly are those that can do that! I've ridden behind a few (including one with Stephenson gear!) that could. However, I've never run one set up that nice. Haha
something that i would find cute, yet phenomenal would be the addition of the smoke sound. trains do not only go "Chuff CHuff", but rather a "Fshht-cuff" as steam is being left in a matter that makes the sound more continuous.
Also i forgot, its a good idea when shunting to split the jobs by placing a empty flatbed (the lightest car) in-between so when you come in, you can delete it and switch the track so it can go in the right siding without losing time. It is a bit mentally demanding but you can pause the game by pressing exit. Also hope you have a great day
Steam engine skins do work. I have skinned the engine and the tender. It could be the skin you are trying to use doesn't work, or it's not installed correctly. For the steam engine you want to place the skin folder in: Mods/SkinManagerMod/Skins/loco_steam_H Remember to unzip it and place the entire folder (not just the files) into the location. I can't say with the skin you have, but some skins I have seen require you to manually place the folder while others already have the full directory tree in the zip. Good luck!
So far as I can tell, they changed the mapping on the steam engine after the skin I was using is made. That's why you can see the tender trucks change (i.e. skin installed right and mapped right just on the trucks), but not the body. I'll be looking for more modern ones to try.
Yes, check the tech tree video. Several locos will have their modern counterparts, and it will be possible to modernize them at the roundhouse / engine shed locations.
"Because who wants to say kilometers per hour" Uh... I do? IDK... I'm a weird American that has fully converted to the (highly superior :P) metric system.
in my opinion, derail valley feels allot more immersive with a vr headset, i played both ways and with a vr headset, the game was on a whole different level
The issue with the skin is that it may be too old, the older skins are not setup properly file wise. I ran into that with several of them. look for a newer skin and try it.
5:05 look at the Heat Yeild when you added that scoop of coal . it went from 1200..... and then RAPIDLY rose to 2100 yet the Evaporation rate didnt really change . idk.... if you have more heat on the same amount of water..... its Evaporation / steam generation rate should also increase especially when going from 1200 to ALMOST DOUBLE at 2100 Kilowatts of heat.................. . . . still... i do like the fact they have "boiler steam mass" which SHOULD mean you have "more steam" when running lower on water . like if the pistons are using 100KG/H....... and at full water.... you only have 100KG of steam space in 1 hour, you will be out of steam (think like your fire is out) . but if you are still using 100 KG/H of steam...... but you are JUST!! above the crown sheet..... so you have 500KG of steam space then you can run for 5 hours on what steam you have left . . and ya.... you would run out of steam in about 5 mins VS 5 hours on a real loco but at least they have modeled the extra "capacity" you get from running with a low water level . i wonder if evap rate also goes up with a lower water level . . . people back in the day used to run their engines VERY low on water..... as it increased steam generation rates (and also "steam capacity") yet once they topped the hill, and started down..... all the water would slosh forward.... uncover crown sheet.... and KABOOM!!!
I've also heard of some OldTimer Steamies needed help getting up very and I mean very steep inclines, but sometimes especially with either one or two Diesel Engines, mostly from railroads from like Central Pacific & Denver; Where the Steamie runs very low on boiler pressure and the extra pulling/pushing power from the helping EMD units have served a lot, & this has happened on more than one occasion, primarily in the Deserts of like Wyoming, where the temperatures reach a death defying to the point of someone going into a heatstroke, & I've even heard that sometimes the helping Diesel's actually tend to accidently bump the Steamie too hard to the point of boiler explosions when bumped at the right moment, if this consist is hauling a massive load of tankers or a load of passengers, even in the Rocky Mountains of Nebraska or even Oklahoma, or even California have this type of wrecks that nobody knows how or why or who caused them, but they happen: and we can't avoid them from happening. I'm Ella and I've Gotta Think BIG!!!!!!!!
Its definitely not the cylinder cocks, as those aren't modeled in-game yet. They will be in the upcoming simulator update, I assume. The steam is coming from a small pipe/tube that seems to be connected to the cylinder valves, though I'm not entirely certain what its purpose would be. Funnily enough though, the FEF type locomotives of the Union Pacific railroad seemed to have the same thing installed, though obviously they never produced the steam clouds you get in the game. I've seen them in a couple videos of the 844, and they are modeled in Smokebox's FEF-3 dlc in Dovetail's Train Simulator.
@@andrewlucia865 Good point! I've seen them on 844 in alot of the videos I've watched. I've seen 4014 in person but I don't believe I saw saw those pipe. I had assumed originally they were cylinder cocks because they'd be open at low speed like you'd soon on most steamers pulling away from stations/yards
Tipp: If the door to the firebox is open on a real steam locomotive most of the air that is drawn throught gets suckt over the fire and not throught it. This means the air is colder and doesn't heat the water as well as normal. I believe the realistics mod ads this function, with your trouble raising steam. Try closing it next time and we can see if I am right.
to make it easier to find your cars at harbor they are but into categories like Freight hall and shunting most of the freight halls with Gasloine tankers will be in E if fully loaded along with the stuff that makes a torch go and cloths and shoes will be on E. G will house most of the shunting Jobs like hauling cars along with empty flat beds to for Shunting D will bee Box Cars sometimes like the box cars you can walking in real life or it has 18 wheeler cars on it like 30 foot or 50 long cars C will house the Empty Gasline tankers that need filling with Gasoiline or diesel too F passenger cars I figured out some of the ordering System for the loads I usually use this method in harbor it works other places have it to like machine Factory too usually Car hauls on B track as well C for your Box cars B for excavators too usually so there is a system the more you do the more you know the layout
Blower on if you need pressure while stationary; damper should almost always be open. I recommend you add coal until the oxygen availability drops a touch below 100% (use the HUD mod); otherwise look at the stack. Light hazy color is OK, dark black is too much. :)
LOL when you've played kerbal space program for years and realise your using a Mec jeb / kerbal engineer equivalent mod for your train the UI style is almost a giveaway that D.V runs on unity and must praise it cos its 100% stable has yet to crash to desktop on me in my few weeks of owning the game.
Huh that's odd. The whistle sounds exactly like the Polar Express whistle from the movie which is a recording of Sierra Railway no.3's chime whistle. Did some research and it seems like it's a Rogers Single-Chime whistle.
@@AtkataffTheAlpha Having built a whistle, done audio engineering for whistles, and being a professional musician, I can tell you that there are 5 notes in that chord, making it a 5 chime whistle.
its weird the way we use units of measurements especially when you've grown up as gamer and you learnt to drive cars in MPH (I live in England), you then learnt how to fly aircraft in KM/H cos you grow up flying WW2 fighters from Germany and Russia, I use KG for weighing objects due to it being easy to visualize cos 1KG bag of sugar is good way for me to understand how that would look and feel and yet i measure my body weight in some archaic unit known here in england know as stones, which my online friends from other countries laugh at me for and find it peculiar and make jokes how i have enough body weight in that case to build a castle which i find friggin hilarious. he's a thought, I thought that KM/H was best, due to it being a small unit of measurement, so when in Sims i would switch to flying a Spitfire which uses MPH i thought well thats not as good as KMH but i think i've worked out the reason, due to KMH being a small unit of measurement and the nature of instrument scanning, in KM/H you would not see / notice as easily the speed needle moving as there are more increments on it and therefore the need moves less for each increment, where as MPH is larger unit of measurement so that needle moves faster its easier to notice small changes that grab your eye.
You loosing heat because you didnt closed the fire box, less heat = less pressure, no idea if this is realistic but its how it works in DV so far i have understood it :) DV could have been such a great train game if they just listened some years ago to the ideas of their community, like full mod support, realistic train demages up to burning engines and boiler explosions, but they didnt.
I find 5-10 KPH to be the optimum speed for bump coupling with the knuckles. Any slower it might not couple. Much faster you run the risk of damaging the car.
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh every rulebook I've ever seen says no faster than 4 MPH, which is ~6.4 KPH. That's scary fast, imo. You just don't want to be going sub 1 MPH imo.
@@Hyce777I only speak of context within game, wouldn't know the first thing about it IRL (that's why I come here 😉) I've had it fail to click below 5KPH (which is annoying coupling a caboose to a 20 car train), fortunately the remote comes in handy for coupling if you come in too slow. Not sure you can use it on steam engine though. I'm too stupid to drive the steamer.
@@Hyce777 If you ever see comments from me they are strictly game related! Couldn't tell ya the first thing about trains except that I used to hop them from my spur to the mainline all the time as a kid 😂
I was wondering if you could possibly do some running without any commentary because I really like just listening to the steam locomotive's running noise.
Did your untelevised operational issues smell like Kenosha, perchance? I'm also curious why quarter slipping is "so cute"? I'm coming at this from a position of total ignorance of actual steam operations - I've learned more from you on the subject than from anyone else. As to railroad grade crossing whistles and city residents hating it? I probably wouldn't mind it with steam (I like steam), but diesels with their horns can go to hell. My house was all of 100 feet from the single main for the Allegheny Valley RR and about 200-300 from two grade crossings. Not only were the grade crossing whistles loud, but the locos themselves were deafening, especially hauling slate and oil loads that could be pretty close to tonnage, and oh how I hated it. To go full Karen: "Allegheny Valley, I demand to speak to your manager! Pay for triple glazing when residential building frontage as old as the track alignment is that close to what used to be an old yard until you tore it up, because you were damaging my hearing!"
They were mostly disappointing untelevised issues, lol. I did blow up another oil train but didn't feel right with moving forward on the episode because it felt a little phoned in and didn't treat the mods right. Quarter slipping is just not something most games get right and it's quite common but s bit silly IRL so it was neat it did it. Why i chose cute in the moment i couldnt tell ya. Lol
@@JonatanGronoset The original multiplayer mod is more than a year out of date, but very recently someone uploaded an updated version. Haven't tried it myself though.
The boiler will explode if the water gets below the crown sheet and then water is added. If the water gets that low. Drop the fire and stop the train slowly so as not to splash water in the boiler .
@@Knsgf that is true but I have worked with steam most all of my life and most boiler explosions I have researched happened because water was put in a boiler with low water. We are both correct I think.
Hyce commenting on how the safety valve was reworked due his comments, then comments on how the safety valve is much quieter then in real life….. next update, safety valve sound adjusted. Edited for missed spelling error
Never. It's honestly hard to do with how slow most of the injectors on locos I've run work, and we have a strict 5 PSI reduction per shot rule. I've seen folks do up to a 25 PSI boiler pressure reduction in one shot, and it still didn't do anything to the boiler, so...
WTF am I doing wrong??? As you departed Harbor Town it said you were doing 39. If I go faster than 20 it derails!! Especially with tank cars of petroleum!!
![[DV] HAZMAT Switching and MY CUSTOM WHISTLE for Derail Valley!](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/HvA7dZ94q8o/mqdefault.jpg)
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There are a bunch of settings to change what the HUD shows. You can trim down to show as little as you want. Imperial units are something I'm been looking into, but not available yet. The key number to watch fire-wise is "Oxygen Availability", which you want to keep at 100% for a clean burn. "Oxygen Supply" is how much air you're getting in the fire, but doesn't tell you if it's too much or not enough.
Down at the bottom of the HUD you can see the brake information for your entire train. By default the HUD shows all the cars of a job together on one line, but you can change that to show each individual car, so you don't have to teleport around. The "Derail" number is a percentage. At 100% or thereabouts it'll pop off the rails, but it's probabilistic so there are no guarantees. It might keep holding to 105%, or conversely you'll hit an irregularity in the rail and derail at 95%.
When the chuffing stops at low cutoff, the steam is condensing in the cylinders due to not enough superheat (depends on the fire temp), so when the exhaust valves open there's basically no pressure left.
I was told somewhere else that the brakes on a car would take ~10-15 seconds to release, but that's also something that's easy to change.
Cheers again! Glad for the HUD info. I think I'll turn off the MPH mod for now until I can get one consistent set of freedom units :P I don't mind metric too much. Just programmed to say "miles an hour..." too much Top Gear. :P
Interesting on the chuffing stopping... if you're exhausting something, it would still make a sound. If you're truly completely condensing, you're working water, which makes a hideous sound otherwise. The blast nozzle is small enough that you should still get a "chuff" unless something in the gear is preventing admission, like I was talking about.
The 10-15 seconds to release sounds about right, especially depending on the train, but I think that's moreso losing all the force rather than the sound. The sound you hear is a really quick "pssssh" as demonstrated, and then it still takes a bit for the cylinder to work back to starting position and get all the linkage moving after it's finished. It's likely perfectly fine, and perhaps even desired to have it the way you've set with the sound existing the whole time until recharge; just a neat little difference I noticed.
Again, cheers for the brilliant work. :)
I gotta give DV another shot with ur mods installed...i got bored of so maybe i oughta try it out again
when i'm using the HUD mod, i only see basic info about the engine. never all the physics details about steam generation, fire temperature, etc. and i dont see an option to turn on these extra info. what am i doing wrong? are there different hud mods?
@@pedro1492 seems like you may want to update or check settings.
it's so refreshing watching someone play derail valley who actually knows how to run a train and doesn't just full send it and pray on every corner
Yes, Hyce videos are very interesting.
Hyce, the whistle is the 5 chime sound from The Polar Express!!! honestly, I feel like "of course they picked _that_ whistle". it's a classic 5 chime(namely from Sierra #3), and it DOES sound epic, like you said
I thought it was it sounds so cool
Wasn’t the sound originally from BTTF Pt 3?
@@christophergarland7936 actually, no. the 5 chime IS featured in the movie, since Sierra #3 was as well, cosplaying as Central Pacific #131. but the BTTF version is louder, and shrill. The Polar Express whistle, on the other hand, is clearer and sharper soundwise. you'll definitely notice the similarity if you play Hyce blowing the whistle alongside The Polar Express whistle
@@Railman1225 Ah, ok. Thanks.
That whistle is from the Sierra Railway #3. That specific recording was used in the Polar Express of all movies. And yes, it is a 5 chime. Specifically a Lima 5 chime with a 5 inch diameter.
Whistle translation when running through refinery
Whistle: kaboom?
Hyce: no Whistle, no kaboom
Whistle: awww
Kaboom?
No Rico, no kaboom.
YES thanks hyce for this! Keep making these DV things! Also try to haul over 3000 tons out of the harbor with a steam triple header
Oh lordy that sounds like a challenge. Lol!
Actually, with the steamer overhaul you could probably get that much up with just two
@@elijahgreenberg2634 Couple nights ago with the mod I took 2000 tons from Iron West down to the Mill the long way through Food Factory and made it with only a single engine. Was pretty close at a few points though, particularly the slope out of Food Factory towards the wye at the bottom of the loop. Max sustained grade on that route is probably between 1.5% and 2% I think.
you can get 1400 out with a single steamer i have done it.
Hyce gleefully quilling the whistle over the grade crossing is my spirit animal
With the steamer overhaul, I usually like to keep around 150 to 200 kg of coal in the firebox. If you really need a lot of pressure though, you can just shove as much coal as you need in to get the fire temp up, as long as you are working hard enough to get a good draft from the cylinders, as they will be able to keep more coal at 100% oxygen than the blower can. Also, the unmarked nob on the right of the hydrostatic-lubricator-looking-thing is the stoker engine, which you can adjust (approximately) to match your coal consumption rate, if you are trying to keep a certain amount in the firebox.
Gotta love how the engineers in this game can run at 70 miles an hour.
That Sierra Railway #3 whistle has got to be one of the best sounding whistles out there
The whistle is saying: "Why do I keep ceasing to exist only to be reborn and destroyed over and over again!?!?!" Its existence is pure agony and you're making light of it.
got to love when your relaxing near a waiting locomotive and the safety valve goes off
Your talk about switchspeeds made me curious. In Germany the speed on standard swiches is 60 km/h. There are swiches wiht lower speeds but tere is advice agains using them because of maintanance. Since we have dedicated highspeed rail in Germany there are switches with movable frogs that ccan be traversed with 280 km/h on the sraight leg and up to 200 km/h on the diverging leg. The largest ones result in a length of about 170 meters.
Oh yes, in high speed rail applications that is certainly true. Over here in the States, not so much. We have some that are good for mainline track speed (79 MPH, a touch over 100 KPH), but most are not. Particularly, I was commenting on the diverging angle of the switches as-modeled in game - pretty sharp for the speeds listed.
@@Hyce777 100 KPH is 60 MPH (looked it up.... 62.1371 MPH to be exact)
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so 79MPH is 127.138 KPH
Love the whistle, best character in any game.
Sounds like a Lima 5 Chime, my dude! Those are always fun to hear
Hey Hyce, little tip if you didn't know already, at Goods Factory and Town, you can buy the Expert (small) shovel and the Golden (Extra Large) shovel.
No kidding? I didn't know about that!
You missed my favorite valve in the steamer - The auto stoker! It's all the way to the right in that set of three. Great fun, and great to see the mods working now!
Live by the scoop, die by the scoop... hahah! I did read about that. Sounds neat!
Fair enough I suppose. Just gets back breaking trying to fire it all in VR!
@@northernisle4439 can confirm, that's a spine workout.
@@northernisle4439 more like knuckle breaking, lol! Last I played VR I nailed my desk tossing a scoop in... lol!
Uh, Hyce if you think about it, oil tankers can be a substitute for passenger cars, except the people are made of toxic fluids and other hazardous materials. 👍😆😄💗❤️
5:47 I got the biggest dumb smile on my face when I heard that Polar Express 5 chime :)
A big, dumb, goofy smile.
@@KyleTheGamer574 nice to see someone watching this old Hyce video two years later :). Can't believe it's already been this long since the video came out. :o
I remember you mentioning the pressure valve in a previous video. Glad to see it's more realistic.
good to see you back in the valley Hyce!!
The whistle is a Lima 5 Chime (Shay division), aka Sierra Railway #3's whistle in this case
I love the 5 chime, but they should fire whoever replaced the pull cord with a bungee cable
Probably the cord broke
i like that there is knuckle couplers in this mod instead of the weird European style coupling system.
If you find yourself a little short on steam give the blower 1 or 2 notches (roll the scroll wheel 1 or 2 clicks) when you're coasting.
That should get you back up by the next hill.
A bit of a challenge, try to end your run with around 60kg of coal in the firebox. I like running that much for yard/shunting work.
Interesting that you mention some locomotives going lame if you pull them back far enough. Some engines here in Britain, particularly those designed by Stroudley, will run at a good speed in either direction, with the lever in mid-gear. The expansion links have enough bodily swing to them that they still influences the valve after the lever is put right in the centre!
Yes, there certainly are those that can do that! I've ridden behind a few (including one with Stephenson gear!) that could. However, I've never run one set up that nice. Haha
Gosh love these videos. My favorite part is where you run the trains realistically and not just go hahaha train go brrrrr around corners.
Whistle sounds waaay better.
Hyce: who wants to say km/h?
81% of the world: lol 🤣
....dinkleberg....
oooooh the whistle is the Sierra #3's whistle!!!!
There are also 200 kph (125 mph) switches, obviously only on high-speed rail lines. They have movable frogs too.
Naturally! And, yeah, at that speed movable-point frog is the way to go.
The whistle is from the Sierra Nevada #3. Used in many films and media.
That whistle in the mod was most likely a Lima 5 Chime, like on Sierra Railway 3
great to see the mod fixes the terrible sounds of the loco.
something that i would find cute, yet phenomenal would be the addition of the smoke sound.
trains do not only go "Chuff CHuff", but rather a "Fshht-cuff"
as steam is being left in a matter that makes the sound more continuous.
depends on how good the rings are; sometimes they are pretty tight when new, but I get what you mean
Also i forgot, its a good idea when shunting to split the jobs by placing a empty flatbed (the lightest car) in-between so when you come in, you can delete it and switch the track so it can go in the right siding without losing time. It is a bit mentally demanding but you can pause the game by pressing exit. Also hope you have a great day
Huh. that's a neat trick. I'll have to give it a shot!
Nice vid! I know a few of us 'nerds' would really appreciate a setting that slows the water injector rate right down though
Really neat details all around!
Polar Express Whistle😳
5:47 was playing the video in the background and legit had to check if I had accidentally started playing a Polar Express clip
Steam engine skins do work. I have skinned the engine and the tender. It could be the skin you are trying to use doesn't work, or it's not installed correctly.
For the steam engine you want to place the skin folder in:
Mods/SkinManagerMod/Skins/loco_steam_H
Remember to unzip it and place the entire folder (not just the files) into the location.
I can't say with the skin you have, but some skins I have seen require you to manually place the folder while others already have the full directory tree in the zip.
Good luck!
So far as I can tell, they changed the mapping on the steam engine after the skin I was using is made. That's why you can see the tender trucks change (i.e. skin installed right and mapped right just on the trucks), but not the body. I'll be looking for more modern ones to try.
@@Hyce777 Yeah unfortunately a number of mods for DV are not up to date, I am glad there are some dedicated modders out there.
Whistle reminds me of the polar express
In Railroads Online will there be an option to modernize locomotives, like the D&RG class 70?
Yes, check the tech tree video. Several locos will have their modern counterparts, and it will be possible to modernize them at the roundhouse / engine shed locations.
"Because who wants to say kilometers per hour" Uh... I do? IDK... I'm a weird American that has fully converted to the (highly superior :P) metric system.
What did you do my beautiful european kupplers?
Replaced them with my beautiful knuckles :)
i cant un hear polar express out of that whistle lol
Not sure if it's been mentioned or not but 30kg per shovel is about 66lb. I've never worked with coal but that seems like a massive shovel
A number 5 scoop quite full probably gets close to that.
11:00 The game has a fallback. If you have to pay more in fees/insurance than what you own, it ignores it when you hand in a job.
Yeah, I've figured that bit out. A bit odd, but it works!
I think if you could try to get it to work a santa fe paint would probably look nice on the steam locomotive
in my opinion, derail valley feels allot more immersive with a vr headset, i played both ways and with a vr headset, the game was on a whole different level
The issue with the skin is that it may be too old, the older skins are not setup properly file wise. I ran into that with several of them. look for a newer skin and try it.
5:05 look at the Heat Yeild when you added that scoop of coal
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it went from 1200..... and then RAPIDLY rose to 2100
yet the Evaporation rate didnt really change
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idk.... if you have more heat on the same amount of water..... its Evaporation / steam generation rate should also increase
especially when going from 1200 to ALMOST DOUBLE at 2100 Kilowatts of heat..................
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still... i do like the fact they have "boiler steam mass"
which SHOULD mean you have "more steam" when running lower on water
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like if the pistons are using 100KG/H....... and at full water.... you only have 100KG of steam space
in 1 hour, you will be out of steam (think like your fire is out)
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but if you are still using 100 KG/H of steam...... but you are JUST!! above the crown sheet..... so you have 500KG of steam space
then you can run for 5 hours on what steam you have left
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and ya.... you would run out of steam in about 5 mins VS 5 hours on a real loco
but at least they have modeled the extra "capacity" you get from running with a low water level
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i wonder if evap rate also goes up with a lower water level
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people back in the day used to run their engines VERY low on water..... as it increased steam generation rates (and also "steam capacity")
yet once they topped the hill, and started down..... all the water would slosh forward.... uncover crown sheet.... and KABOOM!!!
I've also heard of some OldTimer Steamies needed help getting up very and I mean very steep inclines, but sometimes especially with either one or two Diesel Engines, mostly from railroads from like Central Pacific & Denver; Where the Steamie runs very low on boiler pressure and the extra pulling/pushing power from the helping EMD units have served a lot, & this has happened on more than one occasion, primarily in the Deserts of like Wyoming, where the temperatures reach a death defying to the point of someone going into a heatstroke, & I've even heard that sometimes the helping Diesel's actually tend to accidently bump the Steamie too hard to the point of boiler explosions when bumped at the right moment, if this consist is hauling a massive load of tankers or a load of passengers, even in the Rocky Mountains of Nebraska or even Oklahoma, or even California have this type of wrecks that nobody knows how or why or who caused them, but they happen: and we can't avoid them from happening.
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Yes another upload
the whistle sounds like the Sierra Railroad's number 3
did you see the numbers to the right where the track speeds and distance to
I wish we had control over the cylinder-cocks. Just so you can more efficiently get the train going instead of them hanging open at speed
I think it's just a particle effect, but yeah it'd be nice to be able to shut it off....
Its definitely not the cylinder cocks, as those aren't modeled in-game yet. They will be in the upcoming simulator update, I assume.
The steam is coming from a small pipe/tube that seems to be connected to the cylinder valves, though I'm not entirely certain what its purpose would be.
Funnily enough though, the FEF type locomotives of the Union Pacific railroad seemed to have the same thing installed, though obviously they never produced the steam clouds you get in the game. I've seen them in a couple videos of the 844, and they are modeled in Smokebox's FEF-3 dlc in Dovetail's Train Simulator.
@@andrewlucia865 Good point! I've seen them on 844 in alot of the videos I've watched. I've seen 4014 in person but I don't believe I saw saw those pipe.
I had assumed originally they were cylinder cocks because they'd be open at low speed like you'd soon on most steamers pulling away from stations/yards
Derail valley whistles controlled by bungee cord
I do believe that whistle is Sierra Railway No.3, which would make it a Lima 5 chime
Beautiful!
Tipp: If the door to the firebox is open on a real steam locomotive most of the air that is drawn throught gets suckt over the fire and not throught it. This means the air is colder and doesn't heat the water as well as normal. I believe the realistics mod ads this function, with your trouble raising steam. Try closing it next time and we can see if I am right.
Oh does it really? I've always assumed no one ever simmed that.
@@Hyce777 I'm not sure myself but it's atleast worth a try. And if it doesn't work it's barely an effort.
to make it easier to find your cars at harbor they are but into categories like Freight hall and shunting most of the freight halls with Gasloine tankers will be in E if fully loaded along with the stuff that makes a torch go and cloths and shoes will be on E. G will house most of the shunting Jobs like hauling cars along with empty flat beds to for Shunting D will bee Box Cars sometimes like the box cars you can walking in real life or it has 18 wheeler cars on it like 30 foot or 50 long cars C will house the Empty Gasline tankers that need filling with Gasoiline or diesel too F passenger cars I figured out some of the ordering System for the loads I usually use this method in harbor it works other places have it to like machine Factory too usually Car hauls on B track as well C for your Box cars B for excavators too usually so there is a system the more you do the more you know the layout
I have a question Hyce! With this mod, when should I be adding more coal? Also, when should I have the damper open and the blower on? Thanks!
Blower on if you need pressure while stationary; damper should almost always be open. I recommend you add coal until the oxygen availability drops a touch below 100% (use the HUD mod); otherwise look at the stack. Light hazy color is OK, dark black is too much. :)
@@Hyce777 Thanks!
LOL when you've played kerbal space program for years and realise your using a Mec jeb / kerbal engineer equivalent mod for your train the UI style is almost a giveaway that D.V runs on unity and must praise it cos its 100% stable has yet to crash to desktop on me in my few weeks of owning the game.
Derail number being larger=more fun.
If you know what i mean, ehehehehehe.
Huh that's odd. The whistle sounds exactly like the Polar Express whistle from the movie which is a recording of Sierra Railway no.3's chime whistle. Did some research and it seems like it's a Rogers Single-Chime whistle.
It's not an audio file of a single chime, i can tell you that for sure...
@@Hyce777 might be a 2 or 3 chime. I've heard a 5 chime before too so there's tons of tasty whistle chimes it could be
@@AtkataffTheAlpha Having built a whistle, done audio engineering for whistles, and being a professional musician, I can tell you that there are 5 notes in that chord, making it a 5 chime whistle.
The whistle off The Polar Express
The whistle is for the polar express
its weird the way we use units of measurements especially when you've grown up as gamer and you learnt to drive cars in MPH (I live in England), you then learnt how to fly aircraft in KM/H cos you grow up flying WW2 fighters from Germany and Russia, I use KG for weighing objects due to it being easy to visualize cos 1KG bag of sugar is good way for me to understand how that would look and feel and yet i measure my body weight in some archaic unit known here in england know as stones, which my online friends from other countries laugh at me for and find it peculiar and make jokes how i have enough body weight in that case to build a castle which i find friggin hilarious.
he's a thought, I thought that KM/H was best, due to it being a small unit of measurement, so when in Sims i would switch to flying a Spitfire which uses MPH i thought well thats not as good as KMH but i think i've worked out the reason, due to KMH being a small unit of measurement and the nature of instrument scanning, in KM/H you would not see / notice as easily the speed needle moving as there are more increments on it and therefore the need moves less for each increment, where as MPH is larger unit of measurement so that needle moves faster its easier to notice small changes that grab your eye.
are you the guy that plays with kan gaming
Yes!
You loosing heat because you didnt closed the fire box, less heat = less pressure, no idea if this is realistic but its how it works in DV so far i have understood it :)
DV could have been such a great train game if they just listened some years ago to the ideas of their community, like full mod support, realistic train demages up to burning engines and boiler explosions, but they didnt.
All of that is planned
Look in their Discord server and Unlocks page
hyce it sounds like athe whistle on the polar express
The whistle sounds like the poler express
I find 5-10 KPH to be the optimum speed for bump coupling with the knuckles. Any slower it might not couple. Much faster you run the risk of damaging the car.
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh every rulebook I've ever seen says no faster than 4 MPH, which is ~6.4 KPH. That's scary fast, imo. You just don't want to be going sub 1 MPH imo.
@@Hyce777I only speak of context within game, wouldn't know the first thing about it IRL (that's why I come here 😉)
I've had it fail to click below 5KPH (which is annoying coupling a caboose to a 20 car train), fortunately the remote comes in handy for coupling if you come in too slow. Not sure you can use it on steam engine though. I'm too stupid to drive the steamer.
@@greyshadow9498 Ah, always hard to tell with the comments sometimes, lol! Fair enough.
@@Hyce777 If you ever see comments from me they are strictly game related! Couldn't tell ya the first thing about trains except that I used to hop them from my spur to the mainline all the time as a kid 😂
Hey haw is the Shay locomotive progress gowing for railroads online?
Haven't seen a pic more recently than anyone publicly has!
Almost sounds like a pitch shifted big boy whistle
Not quite.
I was wondering if you could possibly do some running without any commentary because I really like just listening to the steam locomotive's running noise.
It is neat, isn't it? I think the point of my videos is the commentary though is all.
@@Hyce777 Ah, makes sense
Don’t leave the fire door open, it will make the boiler tubes leak and cool the fire!
Well yes and no. Lol
You can swap loco skins with the switch remote. Just change its mode.
I did try that in this video. The skin is broken.
@@Hyce777 Gotcha, must have missed that part. Great content as always!
So what you're saying is that steam engines have launch control?
30:15, why is that boxcar bloody?
No idea.
Very nice video!
The speed in switching yard limits is 10 Mph.
Depends on the rulebook!
Did your untelevised operational issues smell like Kenosha, perchance? I'm also curious why quarter slipping is "so cute"? I'm coming at this from a position of total ignorance of actual steam operations - I've learned more from you on the subject than from anyone else.
As to railroad grade crossing whistles and city residents hating it? I probably wouldn't mind it with steam (I like steam), but diesels with their horns can go to hell. My house was all of 100 feet from the single main for the Allegheny Valley RR and about 200-300 from two grade crossings. Not only were the grade crossing whistles loud, but the locos themselves were deafening, especially hauling slate and oil loads that could be pretty close to tonnage, and oh how I hated it. To go full Karen: "Allegheny Valley, I demand to speak to your manager! Pay for triple glazing when residential building frontage as old as the track alignment is that close to what used to be an old yard until you tore it up, because you were damaging my hearing!"
They were mostly disappointing untelevised issues, lol. I did blow up another oil train but didn't feel right with moving forward on the episode because it felt a little phoned in and didn't treat the mods right.
Quarter slipping is just not something most games get right and it's quite common but s bit silly IRL so it was neat it did it. Why i chose cute in the moment i couldnt tell ya. Lol
Hola hyce also why is it only 360p max?
Just finished uploading :P still processing :) you're just too quick :D
is the knuckle coupler a mod?
Yup.
hay hyce did you know there is a game call American Railroad it looks like RailRoads online but with more detill.
and works different
yes, it's the predecessor. With less detail, and less features.
Shame they'll never get around to do multiplayer with this game. Co-oping on the steamer would've been wild.
There is apparently a mod that does it.
@@Hyce777 I've heard about it but I dunno how reliable it is. I guess that's the next thing on your list to try for the next episode, then. ;)
@@JonatanGronoset The original multiplayer mod is more than a year out of date, but very recently someone uploaded an updated version. Haven't tried it myself though.
Steam locomotives can explode if the water runs out
The boiler will explode if the water gets below the crown sheet and then water is added. If the water gets that low. Drop the fire and stop the train slowly so as not to splash water in the boiler .
@@1955DavidH The boiler will expode as soon as crown sheet gets uncovered, overheats and buckles in as a result.
@@Knsgf that is true but I have worked with steam most all of my life and most boiler explosions I have researched happened because water was put in a boiler with low water. We are both correct I think.
Hyce commenting on how the safety valve was reworked due his comments, then comments on how the safety valve is much quieter then in real life….. next update, safety valve sound adjusted.
Edited for missed spelling error
Have you ever injected so much cold water that you've shocked the boiler?
Never. It's honestly hard to do with how slow most of the injectors on locos I've run work, and we have a strict 5 PSI reduction per shot rule. I've seen folks do up to a 25 PSI boiler pressure reduction in one shot, and it still didn't do anything to the boiler, so...
to me the whistle sounds like the polar express
lima 5 chime specifically Serra rr no. 3
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Hi Hyce!
WTF am I doing wrong??? As you departed Harbor Town it said you were doing 39. If I go faster than 20 it derails!! Especially with tank cars of petroleum!!
Huh, are your cars still over switches? and/or is it a long train? That's my only guess.
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will you put the rio grande skin on
I tried! It's broken.
Nice mikado
fire door open the whole time???
I've always assumed it's not sim'd in any of the mods. Am i wrong?
@@Hyce777 i have no idea i've never played just watched.
i dont see any loco's in my spawner :( I check so many things :( Guys, how about json file. ? Ist white.
I think you need custom car loader for locomotives to pop up in the spawner.
next timecan ya post teh mod link or somthubg so some can fidn the rihght mods
Good idea, will do!