Nreal Air - Steam Deck's best friend!
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- Some new AR glasses are now available and seem like a perfect fit for the Steam Deck. Are they any good? Yes! But watch the video too.
Timecodes:
0:00 Intro
0:32 Steam Deck Connection
2:01 Captured Footage
2:30 Size Comparison
3:19 Video Output Problem
3:47 Hardware
5:19 Use on Android
6:00 Use on (M1) Mac
7:01 Nreal Adaptor
9:14 3rd Party Adaptors
10:26 Occasional Flickering
11:06 Unbridled Criticism
13:09 Thoughts and Conclusion
Equipment Used:
Sony A7c with Tamron 24-200 f2.8 Lens
Rode Wireless Go Microphone
iPhone 12 Pro Max 
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This is amazing and answered alot of questions that quite frankly, other youtubers couldn't answer. (or their content didn't focus on it) Thank you very much for this detailed video.
Excellent review. Excellent voice. Half of Nreal youtube so called reviews are trash, just ads really. Yours is in depth and very well presented. Awesome job!
This is pretty damn incredible. This + Steam Deck w/Chiaki + PS5 could be the dream solution that I need.
This is the best review of those I’ve seen so far, great job!
That was pretty insightful, I've been curious about these but I think I'll wait until the support is better until I buy. Excellent points you brought up though.
Idk why I'm so interested in this, I need prescription glasses to see at all, I cannot use this
They come with a prescription frame template in the box, which you can take down to your local glasses specialist (or order from AliExpress!) to make an insert which will be compatible with the glasses.
I use them over my glasses the same way I do when at a theater with 3D glasses. You will likely need the extra long nosepads and it won't work well with overly large frames. Mine are by no means small frames, and they work very well together.
They could also probably use software to compensate, eventually.
Same here my man. Pain the ass for my VR headsets. I need to get those prescription lens that fit over the lenses in the headset.
@@O1OO1O1 would be sweet, untapped market section
Best review I’ve seen for these by far 👌🏾
I played Dying light with the Nreal and couldn't sleep that night. It was THAT good
I really can’t wait for AR Glasses to become the new norm. They’ll revolutionize the industry just as the iPhone had.
Agreed!
Very cool. Interesting to see where this technology will be in the coming years.
David, thank you very much for the detailed video. It is very useful. Especially the adapters part. I wish I could put more "like"s to the video.
Good to see a positive review, I saw so many negative reviews on Amazon. I have plenty of screens at home but these were really nice on a 9 hr flight for movies on the plane. Also game streaming in bed with my iPad.
I’ve got the Nreal and they cool but I also have Virtue Ones on order. They have a bundle with an attachable powerbank for the steam deck. That and electrochromafic tints and you can move the screen to a corner which which is cool. Funny thing is Nreal Airs came out in Asia like a year ago and now there’s a few options coming in a similar style (Virtue, Lenovo, TCL)
Assuming you received your Virtue glasses by now, which one would you recommend? Plan to use exclusively for my steam deck 👍
I have been struggling to find a way to charge my SD while using the Nreal Air glasses. This provided a lot of insights, thank you for posting this.
Did you ever find a reliable solution to charging the SD while using the Nreal glasses?
@@WastedEd I have not yet. I figure: it's prolly good to take a break after a couple hours of gaming like that anyways. But, if I come across one, I'll likely get it
The Nubia red magic adapter is the main way recommended to charge the deck and use the glasses at the same time. It's about $40 and gives you two USB c inputs when plugged into steam deck. Plug the glasses into one and the charger into the other and you are all set.
@@toasttify Interesting, I'll look into that. Thank you for the recommendation
Gives a new meaning to "get your head in the game."
This is suuuper cool.
When this tech gets to the point where the glasses can utilize 3DOF when in external display mode and the price comes down just a little bit, I'll certainly be picking them up.
They've said they're working on Windows app but no ETA. There's OS X support cause they've just ported mobile app and that one allows you to set up 3 virtual displays.
Here's to hoping they make an official or someone else make an unofficial equivalent of Nebula for the Steam Deck. After all, the Steam Deck runs a variety of linux, and Android is ultimately based on linux as well.
Hear hear!
@@spritsfal5088 windows is not in any way, shape or form related to linux
@AftDawn the steam deck steamOS is Linux. Windows has to be ran separately and isn't installed from the factory.
The NReal Air also works very well as secondary screen on Windows devices with a full usb c implementation. In my household that applies to a really cheap convertible Laptop with a Celeron N3350 chipset and my HP ZBook from work. If you need privacy, e.g. on a train ride, while doing some work, you can just switch the main Laptop screen off and view all your content in the NReal Air. Pretty awesome actually.
this comment sold me. GONNA BUY ONE!
AHAHA, I've had these for a couple months and love em. Wanted your perspective on them and found it hilarious to see you wearing an LTT shirt after LTT's underinformed very narrow review of these.
I love the colour and the vibrance. Would be nice to have a larger fov. But still cool. The only issue I had using it with a steam deck is that you can't pin the image to a walk etc.
When playing halo...I had to focus to keep my head still. Sometimes if you're moving sideways while you accidentally turn your head, it gives motion sickness.
They need to fix this.
motion sickness is something you have to get used to in vr and it's probably the same thing with the glasses, gotta get those sea legs
@@benj3781 I brute forced my way through the VR nausea by playing hours of bonelabs at a time until I could stomach it lmao
Well yes, your brain and your eyes are getting mixed signals, of course it's gonna cause motion sickness on the move. Most people get nauseated playing on a handheld while riding a car or a bus over a period of time.
I'm using these with my mac and apparently an update is coming today for the jittering. Overall - these things are extremely impressive for the price. I love them. Super legible text and as long as you aren't outside it's very visible even without the light blockers.
Do you have the experience to compare the picture quality to something like an oculus quest 2? Do you see pixels like you do with VR headsets?
How to play 3d sbs movies on it ?
I've been eyeing these up for a few months now, debating on pulling the trigger or not....
Solid, thank you David
For a type C interface, the amount of dongles and adapters required for use with other devices is uNreal...
100 thanks for the 60 fps tip on steam. been looking for a fix for days
It was my understanding from other reviews it gave you 2 options - screen locked in (where you move your head the screen will be there locked in front and center ) other option is where it is fixed but you can look away and turn back and it's there ...
That might be an option on Android, but on other devices it doesn't use the 3DoF tracking at all, it just renders to the full display, locked to the head, all the time. On Mac, you can either use Nebula to keep it in the same position (like I demonstrated), or close Nebula and use it in the same way as other devices.
The nebula software is what enables the AR features like head tracking, otherwise it's a static projection as he showed.
Great video!!
they aren't available here and there's too many bad review about build quality for me to take the risk from AmazonJP but i own the Rokid Air (which seems to be inferior to these). It's awesome with the deck. I run them a lot in desktop mode with a mouse and KB for productivity tasks (mostly connected to my main computer with a pikvm)
If this gets a second generation with onboard OS that would be able to support DJI drones, that would be an absolute gamechanger, as it would enable really cheap, non-bulky FPV experience.
🔥🔥🔥
Concern to the firmware updating (I have the glasses, and in addition to that, the USB-C to HDMI adapter) - is this easy to to, and safe? I have the glasses now for two months (ordered from Japan), and I am a little afraid of bricking. SD works totally fine, and Switch, Iphone, Ipad and my Laptop, but consoles and other devices don´t work with the adapter. What kind of dongle device are you using for the switch in the vid? Does this show 1080p or just the 720p from the display? Thanks for sharing!
Hi Alf. I’ve updated the firmware several times now, it seems quite safe, but I suppose it does carry some inherent risk. I haven’t heard of anyone bricking their device by doing it, but it may be possible.
It might look like it’s working fine with the Steam Deck but still limited to 30Hz. You can enable the performance display on SD if you want to check.
I’m using a 3rd party dongle from Amazon for my Switch, it outputs 1080p video just like the official dock, I think there are a few manufacturers that make these now. 🙂
I got a pair of these for Christmas this year to use with steam deck and it only is projecting audio. I went to update it and I got all the firmware updated to the latest versions and still no video output only audio. When I plug the included type-c cord the screen switches to black on the deck, and the deck recognizes the glasses as well. Has anyone else had this issue? I think mine are faulty but not totally sure.
This feels like a Dr appointment.
8:36 hi David, I have an iPhone A/V adapter, but it is made by Apple and looks just like yours. When I hook it up to my iPhone, I do not have to use power with it if I do not want to. But if my battery on my iPhone is going down, I can hook in power to charge it back up. Will mine not work either because I cannot put power in that port next to the HDMI when connected to the Nreal adapter?
I wear glasses but am near sighted. Would i still need a prescription for this to properly work for me?
Please , could you share with us link for buying the gofanco HDMI to usbc displayPory Adapter ?? Also the Nintendo switch dongle adapter
I cannot find them!
any way to use these wirelessly, like with bluetooth on a mobile device? I feel like having a wire connected to your glasses is kinda weird.
Then you'd need a battery on the glasses, and they wouldn't really be thin AR sunglasses anymore.
The docking station that you have with the switch would you be able to use a battery pack for it along with those glasses for on the go? Or do it need power outlet to the wall to get it to work?
It should be possible, take a look at: switchchargers.com/safely-charge-nintendo-switch/
I’m sold *once it’s 1440p and 120hz. I’ll wait for hopefully new generation.
So can you modify the distance (degress) to make you feel Closer to screen (preceive the screen bigger than real 77")
I have an LG CX 77" , but if I buy these glasses I want to enjoy a bigger display gaming in bigger experience ...
Xreal says 130" but how Manu degrees should I need to set Up to make me closer to virtual screen ? (30°? 43°? )
Any opinión please ??
Is it possible to get two of these glasses and use one video source to feed both pairs of glasses? I'm thinking of, for example, traveling with a spouse and wanting to watch a movie together
You could do this, but you'd need some kind of HDMI splitter, and 2 Nreal Adapters! A little bit of bulk to carry around but it would work. :)
Hello David, What adapter do you recommend to the steam deck for charging and video output Nreal Air Ar glasses using at the same time? Thank you.
Please, I need your help. The glasses work just fine in gaming mode, but when I switch to desktop mode there’s a fancy wallpaper with two orange triangles and it doesn’t show my display. I’ve tried to Google it and there’s nothing at all. How is that possible that no one has ever encountered this?
This sounds like SteamOS (in desktop mode) has extended your display instead of mirroring it. Do you see anything on the Steam Deck screen? Try getting the display settings window open, and disabling the Steam Deck's own display.
How much sensitive data does the glasses send back to it’s hq?
If i wanted to mirror whats on my TV , so people in the room can watch whats on the TV and I can use the glasses, is this possible? would love to continue to use my Atmos speakers.
If your device can duplicate the display on two display inputs or you have an hdmi splitter then you could
The former is true for a common computer
@@kyellebantog7720 I use the in built TV apps so a hmdi splitter won't help
Is your connection loose when using the nreal? If I'm move around too much it disconnects for a second and reconnects. Long story short the type C port on the deck is not a snug fit with connections.
Have you installed windows to your steam deck? The nreal air work great with my steam deck in steam os but with windows the steam deck screen is mirrored to the nreal air glasses (but does not turn off the screen on the steam deck, thus wasting battery) and the sound doesn't come through the nreal air glasses either.. is there a solution to this like a windows driver or something like that to fix this? Thanks
Amazing review. I recommend anyone buying these glasses to see this review. I love how you are precise about the screen size to a TV and address the color issues on certain devices. May I know how is the color when using the GoFango adapter with the Mac or SteamDeck. Does the over saturation go away? I am think maybe its the HDR setting.
Thanks, Tim! The Steam Deck looks a little oversaturated (and the shadows appear slightly crushed) either direct, through the GoFanco or the official adaptor. It’s like it doesn’t have the right colour profile. The colours look good from the Switch or Mac, so I don’t think it’s a hardware limitation.
another great steam deck gadget is a lapdock ended up getting the next dock for mine
You can lock the picture in one place and when you move the head won't move.
I would LOVE a review of how readable text at different font sizes is through these things. I want to use them for coding.
Depends on your vision, I'm not 20/20 anymore but I don't need glasses and I find 125% scaling in Windows to be the way to go, while my gf prefers 150%. Thankfully more apps and websites scale properly nowadays. You can do no scaling but it's just tiresome in the long run, at least for me. Also bright objects on dark background are harder to read due to a bit of halo/bloom effect inherent to this style of projection (if you have pitch black background and white letters you can make out faint shadow of it displaced. Not noticeable in other scenarios) so for best experience you should probably avoid dark mode as far as work with text is concerned and settle for normal light scheme with night mode turned on (warmer colours)
Man these are cool, do they do a stereoscopic pair? Or is that something that they are looking at?
I've heard that it might be possible to see 3D content using stereo pairs, but haven't seen it implemented in anything (yet).
Do you have a purchase link for the Gofanco adapter .. thank you
I got it from here, but it's hard to find in stock now:
www.u-buy.co.uk/product/1DLRHIPS-gofanco-compact-hdmi-2-0-to-usb-type-c-converter-4k-60hz-hdmi-2-0-usb-c-displays-hdcp-2-2-2-ch-stere
Once AR glasses manage to become totally wireless with decent battery life they are going to be a definite buy for me. But for now for what the nreal/xreal is and can do i may try them
how is it vs the Rokid Air? Rokid Air is awesome even while driving lmao
You didn’t really talk about delay at all, but if a Steam Deck is a common use case, then that’s a crucial point of conversation. Can you feel the input delay any? Is that ever a present issue, even just minorly?
It's connected by cable so I would assume there is no delay at all
Regarding the 16:9 which gives us the full virtual screen 130" of the Air Glasses ...
STEAM DECK has 16:10 aspect ratio screen so...that means that games Will not get the 130" of the Air Glasses screen??? Will appear the black bars at the top and the button of the virtual screen?
Maybe, if in game settings you select 16:9...Will Fix It to get the 130"???
Could any Steam deck Owner check and confirm this please??
Thank you
What is charging the Steam Deck while using the glasses??? Also, Rokid vs Xreal with SD????? Help!
Is there any adapter to simultaniously using and charging the steam deck?
With the glasses? Yes there are a few. I think nReal are even working on their own official one.
real talk one thing I would be interested in is getting the nebula app on the steam deck. If I actually wanted one of these things
can you use this on the Nintendo Switch?
Let’s say I were to put my prescription on the provided lenses, would you say they’re functional daily driver glasses¿ I would get these with the intention of replacing my normal glasses.
No, they're still rather massive, and the lenses are polarized in a way that'll make reading things like your cell phone more difficult than necessary. The provided frames are mainly so you could swap your glasses for the duration instead of awkwardly placing this over everything, as you might do with 3D glasses in a theater.
Pluse a haptic vest i use for the quest 2 but surprisingly it works well with the steam deck and the ar glasses
Can not get them from ee, going into a store as a non ee customer they told me to go online to purchase,showed them the online page that said non ee customers to purchase Instore.Bit of a mess in the UK.
Yes, it was difficult to get hold of mine. In the end I found a store that could order them in for me as a non-EE customer. It was the one on King’s Road, near Sloane Square.
This would be epic for travelling long distances
Was hoping to use this with my racing sim but until they have a windows app with spacial locking I'd avoid for sim racing
It would be awesome if steam deck 2 came with these bundled.
It’s criminal that the multiple monitor option doesn’t work on Windows yet.
what if we are in different country that Nreal doesnt support ..cant use it?
It'll work in any country, although the hard part might be getting it shipped to you! I think Amazon Japan will deliver (nearly) worldwide.
You can use the vibrant decky plug in to fix the saturation and tone issue on Steam Deck
That said, it still needs to be fixed on the glasses.
Well now that's a good tip! Thanks!
when will the new nreal come out?
Dude... I was supposed to be saving money...
:( Cannot resist, thanks
Can you read text or use for typing or maybe for rts or 4x game?
Oh yes, you can easily read text. Think of it just like a massive 1080p monitor.
When you use it in AR mode, though (with a compatible Android phone or on Mac), the resolution will be effectively decreased as you're just using a portion of the screen, so small text will become difficult to read.
i want a pair but amazon has been sold out for a long time.
THIS is the ACTUAL future of AR/VR!
🔥🔥
How is the display? Screen door effects or god ray?
I didn’t perceive any screen door effects since you still see the real world as well, but you can see pixels. No God Rays that I noticed.
can these be worn over/with prescription glasses?
The glasses come with lenses that can be taken to an optometrist and altered to fit your prescription. You can also fit your glasses behind the display but i’ve heard it’s a tiny bit uncomfortable
What if you wear glasses already though? Is there any option to help users who have to wear glasses with them?
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Hello. I recently purchased Nreal Air Glass
Can you use a quest 2 with a steam deck? I think I'd rather do that, so the screen doesn't move.
Not easily. Technically you might be able to install the Virtual Desktop streamer on the Deck, then stream that to a Quest 2… not sure if it’s possible (yet) though.
Actually, there is some software called ALVR which might do it. There are some videos about it on RUclips if you want to research more!
IM thinking of using the NReal air with my work laptop to give me better external monitors and working with them. First is this possible . second do I have to install anything on the laptop , as its a corp laptop or will the glasses just work as an additional screen . Struggling to find a video on you tube that cleary explains this use case . and am UK based. Really enjoyed the video by the way - thankyou
Yes, the glasses can be configured by your computer to act as a second monitor. If your computer doesn't have a USB C port with Alt DP mode support then you'll need to get something like the gofanco adapter shown in the video or Nreal official adapter to convert the USB C video of the glasses to HDMI. You shouldn't have to install anything on the laptop.
How do i use this and other ar glasses wirelessly with any device?
Duck tape a giant lithium-ion battery to your head
@@GLRYB2GD bruh..
@@Portal2Fan1234 😂😂😂
Now if they had a pairing system and a wireless recharable feature like most phones , cause imagion these glasses without a wire
They are really nice I have zfold 3 phone and they work great. If you walk close to wall screen shrinks but if you stand on opposite side of a room it will fit screen on entire space. Almost like a wall projector feel to it. I have movie and TV apps it works perfect. I turn off auto rotate on phone and put it in my pocket so the picture stays horizontal like wide screen 👍
Support for M1 ipad pro?
do i need update the glasses for the best experience?
Yeah! They’ve fixed some of the cropping/repeating issues with some adaptors. You need to plug them into your PC/Mac to activate them before use anyway.
@@DavidAddis appreciate it ty so much 💪🏼
I don't understand, my avegant glyph is almost 7 years old, can give me the 720p that the steam deck outputs by default and has BY FAR better sound. How are these a good option when you can get the glyph for ~$40?
Have you used it on the steam deck?
@@schmecklin377 I use the glyph almost daily with the steam deck. Not disturbing the wife at night is a must for me lol
I often use 900p upscaled to 1080p or 1440p on the steamdeck. Makes a big difference compared to 720p.
But for 40$ a 720p device is indeed a great deal.
I'd argue that Glyph's technology can be perceived as higher image quality than these glasses. Allowing that much light through the lenses and their small LCDs would only reduce the amount of perceived pixels in your eyes.
If you want to look less dorky then yeah these are a better choice for you but if you want a true immersive experience then $40 is all you have to pay to get it.
I just looked and the cheapest one I could find was $85 used. Where do you find them for $40?
I want to use something like this to replace my monitors, is that possible?
Technically yes. But honestly, you might find it a bit tiring (in terms of eye fatigue) to use it for longer than 1-2 hours without the AR features.
@@DavidAddis 😞 guess I need to wait longer for the technology to mature more.
have you tried steam deck with meta quest 2 vr headset
why not just have a full screen image rendered to the glasses displays (one/two displays in windows)
This video made me glad I don't have any Apple products lol. They work with my Windows laptop and android phone no issues.
Thanks
I'm near sighted, so this might be great lol.
Why are you wearing an LTT shirt? Advertising? Association?
Can you make the screen appear smaller
Only with the nebula software, the normal projection is static
Yeah, I bought these on Amazon, but cancelled a few min later. Just too much headache trying to connect to a iPhone/Apple product, plus didn’t want to risk the quality not being so great on the Steam Deck. I think I’m gonna try to hold off on a version 2. Thanks
It works well on android so meh
Get Viture.
Edit: disregard this comment - there seem to be an issue with Nreals and USB4 for the time being which may or may not be addressed in firmware update in closer unspecified future.
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j5create USB4 hub has USB-C DPalt mode support and is confirmed to work with the Deck (and will also work with smartphones) - can use Nreal Airs with Deck while charging it - better solution than using HUB+adapter dongle.
Do you have a link?
@@ewok1979 can't post links in YT comments, search for "JCD401 USB4"
@@ewok1979 I hope you didn't buy it yet, updated my post. It SHOULD work but for the time being it doesn't.
Nubia RedMagic Gaming Dock for RedMagic6/6pro Docking Station Adapt to Type-C Port Phone RedMagic Adapter is a great way to charge and play
Is it possible to wear these with glasses?
Yes if they aren't massive frames but getting lenses for the incuded prescription frame works better.
Lasik surgery, if you ever can get this, would be my recommendation. I was always limited with my VR until I bucked up and fixed my eyes entirely.
Input lag?
How much
Why can't it have a TV that stays in one place...