There is nothing to learn about yourself | Krishnamurti
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He is the only man i every came across,that in his "Truth is a pathless land " speech, desired man to be "Absolutely totally and unconditionally free".Free from the fear ,of life,of death of religions of new found religions ,from salvation it self.But to stand alone following know one, to be a light unto oneself .This light ,is lit by oneself ,for if lit by another ,it can be blown out by another.Freedom from the known or classical mess.
Instead of a man once being fluid ,now cramed and distorted by the classical mess.May become fluid again unteathered unconditioned to the classical mess .The awaking of intelligence is this light within oneself.I hate using the word become ,i like better may man be fluid again.Since becomeing is the movement of thought or psychological time.To be instantaneously.
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YESSSSSSS THANK YOU FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL COMMENT
Oh really? So you have become enlightened, the next JK or all that blabbering ends up to flattering!?
@@lesliemclean4381can you just sit & leave your body now.
These words are priceless jewels. The biggest gift to mankind. Its truly a celebration to listen to K sir. One of the best thing that has ever happened in my life. Wisdom par excellence. Thank you for uploading these priceless jewels for the benefit of the humanity. For many centuries these words will be a light to the human consciousness. Long live the teachings of K sir. Long live Krishnamurti trust.
I wonder what J would feel/say to know that his words are listened with so much joy, passion and openess now via the internet.
But do we really understand him now?
Not really.
What so great wisdom in these words? He's saying we're nothing then from where these energies of the universe comes from which is converting from one form to another eternally changing and creating, operating and destroying everything, what is that? That's not nothing. Only a fool will be easily gets convinced by these forms of intellectual circus, this is of no use to know anything for real.
@@howdareyou5800Who do you ask that question?
@@Agastya_MuniI didn't here him say that, if I'm correct.
These are your words. It's your interpretation of his words. You compare your interpretation with what you think you know and then you have a judgement about that. That's not very objective, isn't it?
There's no "why" we are here. That's a mind thing. We just "are", continuously.
This is a recipe for a miserable world though. This is exactly why people just don't look at the consequences of what they do and how bad the world is and also why they keep reproducing brainlessly.
@@markzantua8753 youre just confusing 2 worlds you're speaking of the man made world and your world is trash because you all want it to be. You whine about how bad it is yet you all fall in line with your own or another man's tempations greed and lust. So no this isn't why your world is trash in fact it's the exact opposite.
The Universe produced my mind. It gave me the ability to ask why. It’s THE question. It’s not JUST a mind thing. A mind thing, could be THE THING. As in Consciousness. It may feel good to say your mind and your self is nothing, but I don’t see the truth in it.
So why does ONE appear DIVERSE in LIFE?
@waldwassermann For fun 🤷♂️😂 just my perspective. A movie wouldn't be fun if there was only one scene, one character, one line.
This is K's best ever moment
Agreed. Fantastic, yet absolutely real. If understood correctly, this is cutting directly at the root of the "thing" that stops the spontaneous working of the Divine through each of us.
No more f***ing around! Look, Listen, COMPLETELY!
A true radical that walked the Earth. What a profound excerpt.
Except the truth is.
It's not radical. Is it?
If it all comes to nothing he is right!
I still have not seen any magician produce a stone out of thin air.
So how did we and the millions of living things just appear from nothing? " It can't"
But here we are!
If everyone took K to heart, all the psychologists would be out of work. You could say goodbye to the self-help industry too. But it's not likely to happen anytime soon, as attachments and illusions are widespread and very strong. Better a miserable someone who has work to do than nothing. Radical indeed and much appreciated.
K speaks the greatest truths, and yet he is the hardest to learn from.
Nothing - Not a thing... What more one wants ❤
Then just leave all this. Why is everyone attached to something and uttering these lines? 😂😂😂
Great to see David Bohm in the audience, and an excellent Q :)
Hv we touched anything that is not part of memory ? Look at the gem 💎 !!!
Thank you for posting this video
Good Lord,..so relief to hear those priceless words....
It’s truly amazing how he admits that what he says sounds like there is something in it, but maybe it is actually empty.
Well he is saying something about 'nothing' so in essence he is saying nothing. The problem with him and UG is that if you enter into their worldview seeking to 'understand' the ego has already snuck in 'you*' ARE still in charge and you is the illusion of thoughts constructed on memory. I don't know personally that too many people - myself included have the bandwidtch and psychological make-up to enter into his experience. It demands the sacrifice of everything we hold - I hold dear, my house, my partner, my family - Jesus said the same thing about those who wish to follow him, abandoning wife and children etc. Which is as it should be - if there were 5 people on his level of realization in any one place who the hell knows what might happen?
Nothing to say, nothing to teach, nothing to learn. Nothing to sell, no pills, no potions, no powders.
There is nothing to know, nothing to do. Only consciousness is there. Even that consciousness is not ours. Like in sleep, we ( consciousness) are timeless& spaceless.
Who said this
Wow it’s 2023 and we still haven’t caught up to these teachings , what’s wrong with us !
We seem to think that as we advance through time, we logically evolve into higher, more enlightened beings, when in fact it's the exact opposite, especially with the advent of modern technological advancements. I think it's been demonstrated through current affairs during recent history that spiritual growth is certainly not congruent with the proliferation of technology. The more access to modern conveniences we have, the more dumbed-down and ignorant we become. So it's no surprise in 2023 we are reverting back to our cavemen ancestors' animalistic nature. In fact, cavemen probably had a greater spiritual connection to the divine and nature, and possessed more wisdom than we'll ever have!
If we reject everything psychologically that thought has put together, we will then become only energy..because everything we do, everything we did..all the thing we had gone through is Just Thought. From act of walking, eating and everything is created by thought itself..its core for our life, without it we are as Jiddu said.. NOTHING.
That's again just thought.....
But from where did this energy came to existence and how the energy got its various different forms and properties that's the real question of mysticism, not this thought exercise non sense of Jiddu.
Nope you're just consciousness
@@Agastya_MuniAnd what is the answer to that 'real question of mysticism'?
I don't want to offend you, but I wonder if you understand what this is about.
I'm no specialist, but I know something about human anatomy. Concepts like ego, self or psyche are usually located in the brain. Neuro scientists have mapped the whole architecture of the brain and there are no structures that can objectively be identified as such. They simply don't exist. So what are we talking about?
There is no objective self or ego or me or psyche. These concepts are constructed by thought; they exist in thought as an idea. It's a complete virtual thing, it's illusion. What ever you say about something that doesn't exist is nonsence! But since we are so conditioned - programmed - from childhood on, it's obviously very difficult to understand, let alone to be aware off.
You exist as a biological organism controled by a brain, like all the other vertebrae, or even a fruit flie. That brain controls your walking, eating, sleeping and all the rest of it through awareness. In that we do not differ from a cow or a mouse. All these brains, however big or small, do the same thing: provide food, safety and reproduction. These are the biological conditions for life.
In modern human beings - Homo sapiens - cognition evolved into the abillity of thinking. We need that imagination for practical reasons, otherwise we can't function. Whithout it, we couldn't even make a shopping list.
But the whole psychological part of that cognition is illusion. It's virtual ballast! If we are not aware of it as an actual fact - and most people are not - that illusion manifests itself in reality through our acting, inwardly and outwardly.
The world we bring about is the cultural product of thought, but unfortunatly the quality of that world is illusion, because we live in that illusion inwardly, wich causes enormous havoc in our world!
That's a fact. The seeing of that fact is the understanding; it's the actual pin put in the bubble!
Than what happens?
Glad I came across this on my path. Thank you.
To be able to understand the fact that one is “no-thing”, one needs to go thru in a kind of “Dark Night of the Soul” to realize who one is not. One is not the mind. But this realization comes as a Grace. One cannot “make it happen”.
So then, If it comes as a grace, why then are gurus and spiritual teachers trying to teach methods to reach it and make it seem like everyone who isn't trying to get to this realisation is wasting their life.
It defeats the essence of K holding these talks, why is there a gathering trying to tell people what this "no-thing" is when it is achieved by grace which we aren't in control of?
@@QurlirtyBrainwave I think its like the sleep analogy were you ultimately cant force sleep to happen but standing up in a fully lit room at night hyperventilating as your surfing on webMD won't make it likely that you will.
It is indeed paradoxical. But it seems there is a kind of urge to share the ineffable loving feeling people who went thru enlightenment experienced. But the thing is that it is ineffable… Only a person who had such an experience could possibly understand…
The idea might be to show the moon to the audience and hopefully they will not focus on the finger
@@QurlirtyBrainwaveyou need to become available to grace
But then your realisation becomes a thing, unless you totally let go of it. Even if you identify as the watcher of thought, the infinite, you are still creating a thing.
Absolutely true.We are so identified with that animate or inanimate " other(observed),that we have " become that ",and have concluded,"I am that " !!! Unless there is a "gap" between the observer and his observed ,there is no question of " learning about yourself".Serious introspection is the only way out for humanity to learn about oneself,and understand our true self.More importantly,we have understand,as a fact,that all the information gathered and stored as memory in content of consciousness is not our true self.If that is so,then the next step will be " who am I"?To come to this stage of inquiry,we will have to see conclusions as nothing more than a subjective opinion,coming out of a conditioned mind.
Wow that is so deep to me yet it makes sense
Krishna Murthy ji words changed my life. I am very big fan of him
When you THINK you are "something" that is where the ego comes in. We are all the same "thing"; nothing. Not "I" but being "we" and nothingness.. ohh such a relief..
Yes. Absolutely important friend
He's passionate and committed to helping people realize otherwise he's totally still.
Very transcendental teachings ❤❤❤
You cant be more clear than when you have not a thing to express.
Great man talking. Everything he speaks is so profound.
David Bohm makes an appearance in the crowd questions! Apologies, nobody makes an appearance apparently...
❤ SO SO RADICAL
❤ SO GRATEFUL 2 HEAR
The body has no life of itself. Thought has no life of itself. By themselves, they are inert. They are activated by life. Life is the only Being. What is life? What is consciousness? When activated by life, thought creates the idea "I", a simulacrum of Being.
Because thought is limited, the simulacrum is limited, insufficient. Consciousness, which is life, cannot be measured - it is infinite, unknowable. Because life is infinite, the simulacrum, by reflection, wants to be complete too. So, it goes after power, position, fortune, and all the rest of it, never reaching completeness. In this ambition, it creates division, competition, wars and destruction.
Do I depend on thought to be alive and conscious? Who or what am I? Can I measure who or what I am? With which instrument? Am I not the unknowable?
please go on.. 🙏🙏
With the exception of the artificial and abstract thinker in you, you are pure Nature.
Their is nothing to learn from Krishnamurti !!
Incredible teaching and unique
Listening to these talks is just mind candy. He never appeared to be happy.
u r missing the profound nature of his revelation. I read JK many yrs ago, then got into lot of psychology, recently again i watched him. THis time I got it. Pl be patient . It's worth the wait /try to understand. It frees us psychologically totally.
@@_.-c his revelation to throw away the mindstuff is not that novel. a version of buddhist no self practice.
as Toddzen pointed out though, be aware that he doesn't look happy, that's an obvious tell that smtg is off on an energetic level w this teaching.
his goal may have been to alleviate suffering by removing thoughts, but it didn't seem to lead to joy for him, just absence of suffering.
no self practice can lead in that direction, removing the toys of the child that is the mind so it can grow up can be very serious stuff!
i perso prefer self as that which possesses all positives qualities though, still free from suffering, but got a little more brightness to it.
This freedom is beyond happiness. What you are doesn't know happiness and does not depend on it.
@@minimal3734what does it depend upon?
He looks at ease ,a far rarer and more precious state,
2:20 his reaction wow profound !!!
😂
Such a beautiful soul ❤️
One has to see everything that thought has put together. Everything has been put together by thought. The question is, what is the source of thought? Experience might be the answer. The question then to ask is where do experiences come from?
The source of thought is memory, that’s why each person thinks differently having different personalities and knows different languages, acquired from experience
Where do memory or experience come from?, “Rupert Spira” can explain it better
Experience comes from senses and beyond senses
The ground of experience is consciousness
And we're conscious beings including animals birds bacteria...etc
Thoughts come from words, doctrines, teachings, opinions, ideas, etc
Rubbish from people but we carry it on
The Experience Comes from the Memory Which is Expereinced by the Experiencer......
And with this question thought can´t give an answer, because in itself is experience and memory, isn´t it?
The best I can listen to all day long❤
Timeless wisdom
Thank you
The man with the glasses was Dave Bohm.
Love all the comments!!!
He is saying we are in effect nothing. There is nothing more than change and impermanence in this world that we know. We are witness to this, but that is all. Everything else we think is nothing more, nothing less, than mental constructs. Right?
No , I think he is trying to say that the actual self is nothing , but we tried to fill this nothing with knowledge, education or what ever , and this knowledge and conditioning made us jealous , angry , selfish or whatever . And accepting the fact that we are jealous , angry and selfish, the very seeing and acceptance can bring about a change in ourself, we don’t need to put an effort to change from being jealous to not being jealous. The very honest act of seeing the fact and acceptance can bring about a change .
@@VasistaVarma How does acceptance create change?
Because of those religions,wars are here.
Because of false beliefs, wars are here. Religion being one of the most false beliefs. Nationalism and ethnocentrism, authoritarianism also cause wars.
Not just because those religions. Wars have a deeper cause.
They told me to learn about myself! Now I hate myself! And everyone else too.
You don't learn from thinking. Thinking however is us. We're on the road of destruction and there's no thought that can end it.
You aren't your thoughts. Thoughts are appearing and disappearing while you aren't.
"Are we clear about what we mean when we say we want to learn about ourselves?".."Or do we have innumerable motives?".....it is this resoluteness to keep on demolishing which the Guru (yes, Krishnamurti would never approve of being given this title) keeps at, more than anything else. To stop us in our motive-tracks.
Thank you for sharing this wisdom
Excellent ❤
He is a Fire if you go near him you will be burn that's.
Gratitude! 🙏🏻🙏🏻
I beg to differ with this argument; there is everything to learn about oneself, depending on one’s personality type. "Know thyself" is one of the most well-known of Ancient Greek maxims.
from my limited understanding, I think JK is pointing to the "self" that is put together by thought, which is of no essence whatsoever. As compared to the "true self" which cannot be spoken about since its untouched by thought
That's also my understanding. Sometimes it takes a lot of attention to understand Krishnamurti's words. Very deep.
Same here
As a person of India origin, i can understand the philosophy JK is talking about because vedanta is the fundamental / pillar of Indian civilization.
Monotheastic religions or the idea of universe, it will be extremely difficult for them to grab this concept or make any sense out of it ! It is like teaching Blackholes concept to Pre-schoolers ... it is not impossible but they need to unlearn what they have learned about God and existence !
Nothing is what I learn from this video. There is nothing to learn about this video.
Socrates said: ‘ Know Thyself’( gnothi seauton). I’d like to see S. & K.confront each other with this subject. Thought is necessary for many things( K. would agree). He ‘ preaches’ that “ Life begins where thought ends”. But remember K. is using thinking to explain his philosophy. K. is not too fond of being ‘challenged’, I feel.
K: why are we here?
Very good question indeed. I'd say: To become aware of unconscious actions/speech/habits etc.
Muchísimas gracias!!!🙏🤗🩵💙❤️💜💚🤍🧡💛
God bless u all love you all
You've probably said the only worthy response to his work. May you be free from suffering, may you be at peace!
Absolut minunat.🌹
Nice! Dacă ai ajuns aici, sigur ai trecut și pe la Alan Watts și Tolle! Dacă nu, dă-le o vizită.
@@MTZArtist am fost , am trecut dar de acest vorbitor nu pot sa trec.😊
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K is talking about the narrative theory of self, and confronting that it is ultimately unreal and created by a series of thoughts and through the use of memory to gather those thoughts into a narrative, a story, and like most stories they are untrue. I believe it is an aspect of our mind to create this illusion for certain purposes but to understand reality in a greater sense we must discern the illusory nature of the ego. It doesn't mean we reject the illusion completely and at every moment, just that we can discern its fundamental falsity. What do you think?
'Rejection' comes from conflict of desires, which is the same old mechanical self made by thought. If the false is truly seen without division then the false comes to an end without conflict. The difficulty seems to be that the thinker gets its hands on everything one hears and makes an theory or abstraction out of it, therefore an escape from seeing the fact because thought cannot exist where there is attention. Thought and attention are mutually exclusive.
Krishnamurti rides again!
감사합니다.
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the Great Teacher
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That i learnt many many years ago what to learn about myself.
"Have you learnt anything about yourself, while you're here?"
Yes, I learned that I am nothing, and so are the rest. :)
"i can't touch it" bow to the power of maya and bow down
❤pure attention pure existence demolishing my BPD and Narcissistic personality ❤mindfullness of pure awareness 😎 as easy as that
Thanks ❤
He is special 😇
'Knowing thyself' is the core of awakening.
'Myself' can mean many things: From the 'body mind existence' to 'true self' .
Infact, every word may have a different meaning for different people, hence one should not take such conversations too deeply, or seriously.
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Because it is Infinite!!!
To know thyself, is to understand the "lens" by which the world is skewed during observation 🤔
Learning to know oneself, is 1st required in order to remove oneself from observation... and thus gain an unfiltered understanding of reality.
Bias shapes the view of reality... which is not actual reality.
He means that your thought saying who you are is an illusion because thought is limited and you are eternal so it is not real. Thought that creates the "me" is an illusion. Thought is only important as an instrument in the material world but not in the psycological world. That's all.
There is also an Krishnamurti's interview with the italian public television RAI with Bruno Modugno years '970...
I have to comment. "dave" played a tape of Krsnamurti to me as TS society had come to school to talk about BobDylan. I did an essay that got used and misused afterwards by hummans. It was called On The Mountain. But thereafter TS people and Mahrishi people and meditation teacher at Un were given chance to sit on dave's sofa on a stage and show just what true enemies can do. BobDylan of course was able to use every such experience for yet another death defying song. he always translated the Indians into King Peter Johnstone born in South Africa. He seemingly enjoyed the apartheid and his mother name was Penny as in ww 1 corpses with a penny on eyelids. He lived with death personified or a corpse who just happened to be his mother. Stage govt gave him so much help and status and power too, even used UK Prince Charles 111.
Great talk.
A structure of memories ="I".
Like a newborn baby
Without discovering who I am, and wanting to know about the universe and God, I find myself in the strange and curious situation of wanting to know about everything else without knowing who wants to know.
I am not two, one to know the other. It's really about discovering, removing what covers. I can, apparently, cover the sun with the palm of my hand. But that hand is only seen by me because of the sunlight. Likewise, I only perceive theories, beliefs and concepts - which seemingly cover the infinite light - because of that light itself.
To see the sun, I need to remove my hand from its position in front of my eyes. To see the infinite light, it is necessary to remove, by understanding the facts, the superimposition which is beliefs, theories and mental representations.
In this case, seeing is being.
It's a great adventure, which, initially, can cause fear. But this fear also subsides.
if Yoda was a person....this would be Him.
Wonderful
Cám ơn!
Gratitude:-)
krishnamurti is real guru❤❤❤
How do you know?
No, he is nothing. Pay attention
To me learning about yourself means getting to know what makes you tick. Physically and psychologically. These "things" influence your mood, every day function and thought patterns.
For example, exercising is good for you and doing it can actually help you in many ways. There is all sorts of learning about oneself involved in that process. As the human being that you are and what that human being is trying to do. Lots of learning and open mindedness involved where you often have to let go of what you perceived yourself to be like.
But i get what he's saying. We dont have to be static entities to learn something about how we are as human beings though. Even if it is this individual in particular. Some of it goes beyond thought.
If you were to for example discover a pattern your running biomechanics have that are causing some issue like pain or are just simply inefficient and cause injury over time because of some unneccesary friction the posture promotes. "You" learned "this" about "you". I hope Im wrong here and hes not just fiddling with semantics here. 😂
It also sounds like he is talking about stuff like "your personal trauma story." And encouraging for someone to go beyond it and not remain stuck on that. Which i can respect. Thats hard, but important.
He never said why he is there xD.
Oh i believe i know what he means. He is just trying to convey that reality of a place where people have moved on and are now here.
You can learn about the body and the mind, but you can not learn about yourself. You are neither your body nor your mind and you aren't a thing. You are without properties and you can not be found. There is nothing what can be said about you.
will we ever know
innumerable motives
just be as you are
Thought has invented all.
Brilliant ❤
Waste of living in learning of the self. When you should spend the time living and allow time to define you if it wills.
Nothing = not a thing
Nothing = No thing
Would anybody have a link, a following video where he says why he is here? I think I am here for the human experience but his level, awareness of reality is very radical for me to follow. Thank You, for the video.
I definitely know why I am here
And yet he learned about himself that there’s nothing to learn about himself.
cheeky but very true ;-)
so we are just memory n nothing else....???
Gratidão
First we learn, and then we unlearn. LOL!