Thank you so much for putting feral in this list. I see so so so many people complain about how wildstalker is boring and doesn't have any gameplay changes. The vines are passive, yeah, but the minigame of biting them for more aoe is actually super fun and is most definitely a gameplay change, much more so than some other specs. Plus it is very lore-fitting and I love the effects of the flowers and vines. I've consistently been top dmg on the beta in the keys I've done so far for both ST and AoE (except for when I'm playing w/ mages). Looking forward to maining feral in TWW :)
@@doublem7709 14 times- because 17 would assume you’d be considering any one of the 3 rogue specs as a potential main. And nobody in their right mind would do that, currently.
youtube has a translate to English button on this comment which changes it to 'banger by the bridge'. I had no idea that's what you meant until youtube helped me with the modern lingo you kids are using, thanks youtube!
Enhancement still needs work. - Ascendance needs to be separated from DRE and given the same choice nodes as Resto and Ele. - Ascendance needs a new visual. I can’t do another expansion with the Cata graphic. - Stormstrike needs to deal Stormstrike damage. Crazy I know. This would actually let storm builds scale with mastery. - Surging Totem should deal Flamestrike damage. This would let the totem scale with mastery and let the elementalist build work better.
As someone that pretty much only plays shaman, all 3 specs, this video is the first thing ive seen that makes me want to actually play this expansion lol. TOO LONG HAVE THE DEVS IGNORED US NOW IS OUR TIME!
Right now I'm planning on making Holy Pally my main for TWW. So of course it's pretty much guaranteed that Blizz will mega nerf it once TWW comes out. Resto Shammy is my backup now that Shamans actually have some survivability now. Pres Evoker was my third pick, they are just too squishy for a lot of content. Looking right now at having WW Monk or Enhance Shammy as my main DPS.
Agreed, the only thing that lacks the lightning build is the maelstrom generation, feels wacky not to have a full bar when your stormkeeper hits everything in the room and you have to spend even more globals into getting back resources
I had a little feeling the Farseer and specifically the ancestors at first glance had a little hint to a Vesper Totem style buffing dmg and healz depending on your spell use... I'm really interested to have a go with it after hearing you speak about it. Hopefully I'm not building it up too much 🤞
Just subbed- really enjoyed your insight- I was very pleasantly surprised to hear u say feral Druid - (if u notice my avatar lol) - it’s been my main since legion - i haven’t been very excited for tww yet for it but you just got me pumped about the kitties! Really good point about speed being a counter to the loss of range- what do u think about arcane or fire mage ? look forward to checking out ur other videos
Just Zuco, I dont want to name other streamers on your youtube vid but was watching this streamer and he was running feral in raid. test ST and AOE build and dude he was pumping. Top 1-2 spot for dps fight a unholy dk for first! I'd say feral is going to be good!
There need to be more lightning talents. It's too much fire theme within lightning. Whereas you can completely forget about Lightning with fire build. Lightning build damage sucks and you still Lava Burst way too much with Lightning build. Fire build is super fun though.
The thing I dislike about lightning version of ele is that is does zero single target. It is all coming from lava burst and the maelstrom generation is super slow which makes it feel even slower.
@@beastlyshotzful it's actually felt quite good the more I've played around with it. It's not better than the Fire version, but it's actually close. I was cranking around 800-900k DPS on the first boss of a dungeon, with Bloodlust of course, but its still really solid. If you take Ele Blast it really fixes ST damage issues
I'm absolutely torn between Holy Pally and Resto Shaman for maining in TWW. I love them both so I'm probably going to have to dig down deep and Co Main. Thanks yet again for the awesome content! 💪
Yeah just level both and you will find your sweet spot. I thought I’d continue maining mw monk but got kind of tired of it and fell in love with resto shaman
I'm kinda in the same place. I'm gonna main Holy Paladin if the caster style remains strong. If they push melee style too much, I'll probably just pick Shaman, because I really don't like the melee style.
They need to get rid of lava beam, have a talent added that turns chain-lightning into lava spew, where it essentially hurls small magma balls like lava burst that do splash dmg and apply flameshock.
@@vanhavihtahousu666 Absolutely... It's just... It's been like that for months now. It can't be a difficult fix and they've left it like that for months. Copium tells me they are leaving it in for now as a test to see how OP it makes the hero tree or if it actually doesn't make it op at all. :)
"Spicy" in this context isn't a good thing as soon as the conversation moves away from "fun" and "enjoying the playstyle" and into viability territory. Spicy when it comes to viability just means "wrong" and "misleading" with how the meta works.
Do you think for farseer the primordial wave interaction is a bug or working as made (undulation trigger will give a spirit for each target hit by the undulated cleaved healing wave)
@@rhombodazzle9700 honestly I haven't run with Undulation really at all because I value having the on demand spirit guaranteed when I press Unleash Life... Unleash + Ancestral Swiftness is 2 spirits at the same time for a big DPS or HPS window and I've found that very powerful. I'd have to check on the Undulation stuff, but my guess is that it's not intended to proc off of the multiple Heaving Waves.
@@ZucoWoW honestly playing the riptide builds you made for resto shaman got me in a habit that I never use unleash life and when I saw they had it trigger from undulation I had to try it.....I know people didn't really enjoy primordial wave playstyle but I do enjoy the riptide game for me atleast
@@rhombodazzle9700 Def give it a shot... Use Unleash + Ancestral Awakening and boom, you've got 2 Ancestors, and you can really pump a lot in that moment. You can cast 3 Chain Heals and get 9 in total because of your dudes... Layer that with Ascendance or AG and it's a big healing cd.
I agree and I'm not sure why some people claim the ele rework was great. Icefury has never been a fun button to press. Echoes of the Great Sundering is just a silly idea, forcing you to cast a full ST spender before an AoE spender. And both of these talents seem to be likely mandatory in both fire and lightning builds. Flame shock still has a cooldown as well. I really think they missed the mark with this rework tbh.
we get the prepatch next week then 3 full weekly resets of prepatch and then the 4th weekly reset will be the week we also get early access on Thursday/friday that week. atm I'm planning to do 4 chars and it will be Ret Pally, Enhance sham, Blood/frost Dk, and DH or survival
Wish venthyr covenant ability came back for survival, aswell the removal of the serpent stng stacking damage feels bad though ive mained survival for many years, i never liked the bomb-centric builds that much. (The dps tho...) pack leader is the path im going in TWW as it meshes well with a hybrid build (focusing mostly on mongoose and crit) cant wait to see even more insane crit numbers as the expansion plays out tho.
@@Macrossprime Except for Feral Lunge, which was just added to the class tree... And Lightning Lasso, which was separated from Thunderstorm and can be taken on the class tree... And Earthbound totem to slow for a second... And earthgrab totem to.. ya know... Root them... And Frost Shock to slow them... And Gust of Wind for more mobility or the talent that breaks you free from snares and slows and gives you big movement speed... I guess none of those help out because Enhance is just trash in PvP.
@@ZucoWoW Oh hey your right. I just checked the 10v10 leader boards and in the top 100 there ARE 2 enhance shaman. Sorry one, he is just specced enhance now he played resto in 10v10. Well there are 2 enhance in 2v2, all the way up there at 2400. 3v3 seems to be the sweet spot at 6 for top 100, poor hunters only have 3
Yeah it’s got nothing to do with how good, chances are none of his dps picks will be good in keys or meta. Meta almost always gonna be mage/lock/aug/shadow/
Aff is higher dps is keys and raid right now. Aoe them, arcane, and fury are likely to get a nerf of some kind. Ele is not even remotely the highest dps.
Your channel appeared in my RUclips feed, viewed some of your videos including this one. Subbed!
@@amandapelland Thanks!
@@amandapelland Zuco rocks dood
Shamman getting love its been 84 years
Great vid. Going into detail and showing footage to back up your opinions.
Thank you so much for putting feral in this list. I see so so so many people complain about how wildstalker is boring and doesn't have any gameplay changes. The vines are passive, yeah, but the minigame of biting them for more aoe is actually super fun and is most definitely a gameplay change, much more so than some other specs. Plus it is very lore-fitting and I love the effects of the flowers and vines. I've consistently been top dmg on the beta in the keys I've done so far for both ST and AoE (except for when I'm playing w/ mages). Looking forward to maining feral in TWW :)
banger vid bro
Beacuse of you and Zucco i changed my main 17 times…Thanks😅
@@doublem7709 14 times- because 17 would assume you’d be considering any one of the 3 rogue specs as a potential main. And nobody in their right mind would do that, currently.
@@m_rod9562 Yes
youtube has a translate to English button on this comment which changes it to 'banger by the bridge'. I had no idea that's what you meant until youtube helped me with the modern lingo you kids are using, thanks youtube!
@@Rokolith, it's swedish!
Enhancement still needs work.
- Ascendance needs to be separated from DRE and given the same choice nodes as Resto and Ele.
- Ascendance needs a new visual. I can’t do another expansion with the Cata graphic.
- Stormstrike needs to deal Stormstrike damage. Crazy I know. This would actually let storm builds scale with mastery.
- Surging Totem should deal Flamestrike damage. This would let the totem scale with mastery and let the elementalist build work better.
nice speaking, underrated Creator! Maybe i go Feral now :D
As someone that pretty much only plays shaman, all 3 specs, this video is the first thing ive seen that makes me want to actually play this expansion lol. TOO LONG HAVE THE DEVS IGNORED US NOW IS OUR TIME!
I'm too jaded to even feel hope. This is probs our 5 mins under the sun before they mess up us again within the first month in the next expansion.
Enhancement was good in dragonflight
You’re my spirit content creator, I’m a survival, feral and enhancement player
Damn, hittin all 3 of the forgotten about specs like a real masochist
@@BallZachhlmao
Every blue post must feel like doomsday lol
I like the class focus you have Zucco, I propably would not play feral but I like to hear that is finally in a good shape.
Elemental is popping off right now. Hoping it’s not hit with the nerf bat. It’s finally hitting MOP levels of usability again
Right now I'm planning on making Holy Pally my main for TWW. So of course it's pretty much guaranteed that Blizz will mega nerf it once TWW comes out. Resto Shammy is my backup now that Shamans actually have some survivability now. Pres Evoker was my third pick, they are just too squishy for a lot of content.
Looking right now at having WW Monk or Enhance Shammy as my main DPS.
Agreed, the only thing that lacks the lightning build is the maelstrom generation, feels wacky not to have a full bar when your stormkeeper hits everything in the room and you have to spend even more globals into getting back resources
Bring back Chain Harvest
Agreed. It was so much fun. Especially for Enhancement.
Please god no. That ability would be neutered and useless in almost every circumstance.
@@lexiconprime7211 You’re probably right, but let’s hope not. One can dream.
And fire nova 🙏
Lol make chain harvest bounce off of totems for totemic
I've always like the new survival and them updating it more and more just makes me more siked to play it
Gotta be enhancment for me. Just cause it's colorful, I invoke ilke 4-8 wolves, and I can do bad ass lightening shit.
I had a little feeling the Farseer and specifically the ancestors at first glance had a little hint to a Vesper Totem style buffing dmg and healz depending on your spell use... I'm really interested to have a go with it after hearing you speak about it. Hopefully I'm not building it up too much 🤞
Ngl, feral druid is a surprise. Props!
Just subbed- really enjoyed your insight- I was very pleasantly surprised to hear u say feral Druid - (if u notice my avatar lol) - it’s been my main since legion - i haven’t been very excited for tww yet for it but you just got me pumped about the kitties! Really good point about speed being a counter to the loss of range- what do u think about arcane or fire mage ? look forward to checking out ur other videos
@@shamuschannel682 Both Arcane and Fire are looking fantastic right now in the Beta... Probably the best ranged DPS right now.
New subscriber and I have been loving your videos!
Shaman it is then Zuco, seems like you are enjoying all 3 specs, it's best possible sign to main it, as for the rest it was just 1 spec per class
Positive attitude, great content, no clue why i havent subbed yet but i just did
Also have the fixed the natures swiftness ancestreal swiftness bug where you can use both abilities seperatly without it replacing natures swiftness
Id love to main survival hunter but the hero talents look so boring.... So think ill go with lock or mage.
Just Zuco, I dont want to name other streamers on your youtube vid but was watching this streamer and he was running feral in raid. test ST and AOE build and dude he was pumping. Top 1-2 spot for dps fight a unholy dk for first! I'd say feral is going to be good!
There need to be more lightning talents. It's too much fire theme within lightning. Whereas you can completely forget about Lightning with fire build. Lightning build damage sucks and you still Lava Burst way too much with Lightning build. Fire build is super fun though.
The thing I dislike about lightning version of ele is that is does zero single target. It is all coming from lava burst and the maelstrom generation is super slow which makes it feel even slower.
@@beastlyshotzful it's actually felt quite good the more I've played around with it. It's not better than the Fire version, but it's actually close. I was cranking around 800-900k DPS on the first boss of a dungeon, with Bloodlust of course, but its still really solid. If you take Ele Blast it really fixes ST damage issues
Damn you do a great job. Greetings from austria.
I'm absolutely torn between Holy Pally and Resto Shaman for maining in TWW. I love them both so I'm probably going to have to dig down deep and Co Main. Thanks yet again for the awesome content! 💪
Yeah just level both and you will find your sweet spot. I thought I’d continue maining mw monk but got kind of tired of it and fell in love with resto shaman
I'm kinda in the same place. I'm gonna main Holy Paladin if the caster style remains strong. If they push melee style too much, I'll probably just pick Shaman, because I really don't like the melee style.
Druid of the Claw is prime solo build. You really have nine lives with it. Needs a higher proc rate though.
They need to get rid of lava beam, have a talent added that turns chain-lightning into lava spew, where it essentially hurls small magma balls like lava burst that do splash dmg and apply flameshock.
Tooltip says "If you know Natures Swiftness, it is replaced by Ancestral Swiftness" so its fair to assume you won't get both spells.
@@vanhavihtahousu666 Absolutely... It's just... It's been like that for months now. It can't be a difficult fix and they've left it like that for months. Copium tells me they are leaving it in for now as a test to see how OP it makes the hero tree or if it actually doesn't make it op at all. :)
Yeah they should fix it that’s an extra unnecessary button to press, you can’t even macro it for efficiency because the cds are to apart
Spicy DPS picks
"Spicy" in this context isn't a good thing as soon as the conversation moves away from "fun" and "enjoying the playstyle" and into viability territory. Spicy when it comes to viability just means "wrong" and "misleading" with how the meta works.
target cap for Enh shammy will always make it feel bad in M+ compared to other classes when you pull big.
This should be called, 3 Dp’s classes to never get an invite
ah so just like you on birthdays
Survival is good in beta and ele shaman has a unique buff for pve content so
What's your IO with each of these specs to say that
Do you think for farseer the primordial wave interaction is a bug or working as made (undulation trigger will give a spirit for each target hit by the undulated cleaved healing wave)
If that is a bug then will farseer fall behind totemic because of the lack of extra spirits being generated
@@rhombodazzle9700 honestly I haven't run with Undulation really at all because I value having the on demand spirit guaranteed when I press Unleash Life... Unleash + Ancestral Swiftness is 2 spirits at the same time for a big DPS or HPS window and I've found that very powerful. I'd have to check on the Undulation stuff, but my guess is that it's not intended to proc off of the multiple Heaving Waves.
@@ZucoWoW honestly playing the riptide builds you made for resto shaman got me in a habit that I never use unleash life and when I saw they had it trigger from undulation I had to try it.....I know people didn't really enjoy primordial wave playstyle but I do enjoy the riptide game for me atleast
@@ZucoWoW and definitely after seeing your video now I'll have to try the way that you play it it definitely does sound fun :)
@@rhombodazzle9700 Def give it a shot... Use Unleash + Ancestral Awakening and boom, you've got 2 Ancestors, and you can really pump a lot in that moment. You can cast 3 Chain Heals and get 9 in total because of your dudes... Layer that with Ascendance or AG and it's a big healing cd.
Is Feral less button bloat in WW? I love spec, but atm it has so many buttons to press, that my fingers are always dazed. @__@
30:00 - no, Ice Shock doesnt feel good pressing it. There is literally NO visual effect of (for example) ICE going. Its just empty skill :/
I agree and I'm not sure why some people claim the ele rework was great. Icefury has never been a fun button to press. Echoes of the Great Sundering is just a silly idea, forcing you to cast a full ST spender before an AoE spender. And both of these talents seem to be likely mandatory in both fire and lightning builds. Flame shock still has a cooldown as well. I really think they missed the mark with this rework tbh.
we get the prepatch next week then 3 full weekly resets of prepatch and then the 4th weekly reset will be the week we also get early access on Thursday/friday that week. atm I'm planning to do 4 chars and it will be Ret Pally, Enhance sham, Blood/frost Dk, and DH or survival
Wish venthyr covenant ability came back for survival, aswell the removal of the serpent stng stacking damage feels bad though ive mained survival for many years, i never liked the bomb-centric builds that much. (The dps tho...) pack leader is the path im going in TWW as it meshes well with a hybrid build (focusing mostly on mongoose and crit) cant wait to see even more insane crit numbers as the expansion plays out tho.
shaman is back on the radar again :D
@ZucoWow now do the same with the "least favorite" pelase
Going feral main, ditching assasination rogue.
L
Bad idea
nah u do the best class vids
I hope there are not going to be any people out there trying to hate on Feral Druid
I wanted to main my druid but my DPS was awful. Maybe I just don't understand it?
Do we still oom easily with shaman?
@@goofymaniac Not with the Farseer build... Lots of Riptides, it's super efficient :)
Come on. Get on the wave and make some Tier List. ♥
that feral druid clip...no MOTW on. how dare sir!
@@Opposegaming Haha, we died so many times before, I forgot to reapply it. I need a Weak aura :)
Totemic really needs a total rework
Is Feral better then Balance?
@@brianshrimp5824 I like it a lot better. Numbers-wise, I'd say yes, but it really depends on how good each player is as Boomie or Feral
@@ZucoWoW Thank you for your expertise hard time deciding always wanted to play both.
Ive seen resto druids out dps the dps. Think they're going to be a top pick
doesn't that sound like it's gonna get nerfed to you?
but that range and positioning on evoker , makes it so annoying in pugs :(
where is dk;)? carry on m8..thanks for good work
I thought for sure frost DK was gonna be on the list
And btw , we didnt hear a lot about DH hero trees during the whole beta , form anyone I mean.
That doesnt smell good ahah
No ret surprised me after your excitement in the ret video! But I respect this list
@@jcmt8178 Ret is really good. Prob has the same or better damage then my picks, it's just not something I enjoy... It is slapping though :)
As an alt, i'm still hésitant between feral and rogue. Mhmm. People , help me choose
TOP 3 DPS for TWW.. no mage, warlock or rogue? sure..sure.
No dk!?
@@richiepipes8960 It's literally next in line, tied in fourth place with WW Monk and Arms Warrior for me
Ele yes. Enh is mid af. Feral is down in the shit.
Voidweavers fall from grace. Too strong too early
mage ?
Blizzard doesn’t like fun, so all these are prolly ganna get nerfed :/
Enhance shaman players are going to be RAGING that you're saying it's a good and fun spec.
Enhance is not fine if you care about pvp at all. its trash tier due to no way to keep uptime on your target.
@@Macrossprime Except for Feral Lunge, which was just added to the class tree... And Lightning Lasso, which was separated from Thunderstorm and can be taken on the class tree... And Earthbound totem to slow for a second... And earthgrab totem to.. ya know... Root them... And Frost Shock to slow them... And Gust of Wind for more mobility or the talent that breaks you free from snares and slows and gives you big movement speed...
I guess none of those help out because Enhance is just trash in PvP.
@@ZucoWoW Oh hey your right. I just checked the 10v10 leader boards and in the top 100 there ARE 2 enhance shaman. Sorry one, he is just specced enhance now he played resto in 10v10. Well there are 2 enhance in 2v2, all the way up there at 2400. 3v3 seems to be the sweet spot at 6 for top 100, poor hunters only have 3
Meh I will smoke an Ele on my lock. It is going to get nerfed along with Arcane
Numbers are not important, if the gameplay is top tier ill play it!
Yeah it’s got nothing to do with how good, chances are none of his dps picks will be good in keys or meta. Meta almost always gonna be mage/lock/aug/shadow/
Aff is higher dps is keys and raid right now. Aoe them, arcane, and fury are likely to get a nerf of some kind. Ele is not even remotely the highest dps.
Why this dractyr look like spayro xd?