Queen Victoria And The Jack The Ripper Murders - The Royal Involvement.
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- Опубликовано: 10 авг 2022
- Queen Victoria was actually on her Scottish estate at Balmoral between August and November 1888, the period over which the Jack the Ripper murders.
However, this did not stop her from taking a part in the hunt for Jack the Ripper, and she was involved in the investigation into and public reaction to the crimes in various ways throughout October and November 1888.
In this video, we look at the different ways in which Victoria was connected to the Jack the Ripper murders.
From the oft-made suggestion that the atrocities were the work of the member of the Royal family, to various ways in which various of her subjects tried to utilize her assistance and intervention in bringing the perpetrator of the crimes to justice; we follow her into November 1888, when she began criticizing the police, and sent her suggestions and opinions on what they were doing wrong.
The video uses modern-day footage of various locations, as well as Victorian photographs and press clippings that help present a picture of the Royal involvement in the hunt for Jack the Ripper.
My family comes from East End...studied Ripper case..what my grandad told me...Nope ..the divide is still there, just a walk away from the West...still the forgotten East End ...huge class divide...I brought up in Surrey ..have friends from West End, but it is not right it still not really changed ..all she did was put lamps up ...great ...how kind!! ..another great vid ,,thank you.
Dont understand why people think it's others responsibility to help those that fail to help themselves. When they do it isn't enough in those that are on the take.
Could listen to you all night! Really well narrated👍
That's really kind of you.
Once again, a notification on your latest video has drawn me back to RUclips. Love your uploads as they're always so interesting and fascinating.
Can't wait to watch this when I get home from work 👍
Thank you! Cheers!
Great video, very sad that the home secretary wasn't interested in offering a reward..
You and me both!
I must disagree. First of all, hindsight is 20/20. The only meaningful way to evaluate the idea of a large reward is in that moment of time where the decision was made.
People were beyond worked up and hyper vigilant as it was. The police were already getting so many leads they were evidently having trouble coping with them. Anyone who saw or knew something of importance would likely already be reporting it - a large reward would very possibly muddy the water yet further by causing people to report things in hopes of the reward, rather than based on the quality of their information - and this to a force already struggling to cope.
There is so much coulda, shoulda, woulda when it comes to historic issues like the Ripper case. The truth is, if we went back there ourselves, knowing only what those officers and officials knew, I doubt we'd do any better.
This was really interesting. Thank you. What the queen said about those poor women. A bad class. I see it as poor women more or less, living in the streets and struggling to survive. I've always felt for them. It's like the police and queen Victoria are blaming them
It seems like the queen would have helped these people instead of blaming them while she was safe behind palace walls, living a life of luxury. It's just my feelings on the matter
Glad you found it interesting, Lina.
I'm gonna be devils advocate here. It seems in a couple of instances that alcoholism played a part in at least contributing to the victims situation, a similar sad story still occurs today whereby addiction to drugs leads young women to resort to prostitution. The Ipswich murders being a case in point, in no way do I attempt to defend or excuse the actions of the killer in either or any instance, but it causes the circumstances where they put themselves at the mercy of such people.
Rob, Indeed.
@@rob5944 alcohol is something people turn to when they r living poor miserable lives. They use it to anaesetize themselves from the terrible situation. I don't drink but I can certainly understand why they did that.
It's not safe or helpful to look at the past through a modern perspective. All that does is give people a cheap, smug sense of moral superiority. Victoria was FAR from alone in seeing prostitutes as being from "a bad class". Society at that time was far more class conscious and based than we are today - expecting her or the majority of people in that era to see things otherwise is unreasonable.
What's more, we here today in 2022 have underclasses in our societies. Upper class or rich people with resources and options are not derailed and forced into prostitution or other criminality because they become addicted to drugs, etc. In fact, we have a class of people today which the Victorians did not have - children of single parent homes. Children raised with one parent are far more likely statistically to fall in to a "bad class" of life, then those from two parent homes. Observing that something exists and operates is not the same thing as approving of it, you know.
I don't know where you are getting "blaming them" from, simply because Victoria saw the issue of prostitution through the lens prevalent at that time. This video makes it VERY clear, using Victoria's own letters and journal entries, that she was interested in helping these women, improving the living situation in the area, and expecting better from the police service. Weirdly, you make obviously untrue assumptions about Victoria based on...HER CLASS..."safe behind palace walls, living a life of luxury", and seem to IGNORE evidence that does not conform to your "feelings". Ironic, hey?
Loved it Richard! Thank you. I wasn’t aware of this angle of the case, meaning the political and royal missives and discussions. So interesting to know what the Queen, PM and Home Secretary we’re all thinking and doing at this time. Your research on the Queen’s locations during the crimes is the cherry on the cake. It makes obvious sense this activity was all going on given the high profile nature of the JTR murders. Great job!
Thanks, Omar, very kind of you.
@@JackTheRipperTours You’re most welcome
LOL.. First they go after squibby then the Queen. Queen Victoria must have been scratching her head .. How did I get Dragged into this mess . Great one Richard !!!
Thanks, Bill.
Very interesting! Am really watching these videos with an overwhelming interest. I love your narration also.
A hundred odd years from now I can see some new lunatic theory saying Stephen Fry was Jack the ripper.
Greta idea for a new video, Fry The Ripper!
So can I. Very funny 😀
Max Bygraves would be insulted he wasn't the first outlandish celebrity suspect you would consider
This is such an amazing channel. Thank you
Fantastic video. Thanks for taking the time to make it.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I would LOVE to go on your JTR tour!!
You'd be very welcome Gregory. I'm working on a virtual tour at the moment.
Brilliant video as usual💪
Thank you.
Thank you so much for yet another fantastic video, Richard! I am not sure if you’ve answered this elsewhere, but I was wondering what the reaction to the case was, if indeed there was any, from the prime minister of the day Lord Salisbury? Did he acknowledge it at all or was it left to the Home Secretary or other members of the cabinet/government?
In reality, we all know she didn't really care beyond the world knowing how depraved areas of London actually were.
You must have watched some other video, because "in reality" he's presented a lot of evidence that she did care, was writing officials with "criticisms and suggestions" and asking questions of her own, based on her reading about the crimes.
But you know, don't let actual hard evidence get in the way of irrational bigotry and hate.
@@jhb1493 You must have missed what he said in the early beginning when he said that more than she never saw any of the missives from Mr. Lusk. This video creator mentioned it, twice!!! 'Responses' were written by others in her inner circle.
@@manuellubian5709 listen again. You are being selective. Of courseshe cared and she wrote about how unhappy she was with the police results so far and offered advice on how to best move forward.
@@manuellubian5709 you must have missed what the video creater said at the end of the video. Why are you so selective. Its clear as day that she cared a great deal.
LOVE these Richard,you do a phenomenal job. Although the Royal conspiracies are all fantasy, they are wildly fascinating to hear.I'm always utterly absorbed in your videos.
Many thanks
Thank you, Hannah. Very kind of you.
Thank you..very interesting.
Poor Prince Albert Victor..he had more than enough to deal with..Without being dragged into the Jack the Ripper murders.
16:06 I don't think then or now that information would have been readily available but it could still have been useful in eliminating suspects. Though I am convinced that nobody in either of the london police forces ever really knew who the ripper was I am also sure that Special Branch knew more than they were saying. Any aspect of the ripper investigation which could have potentially compromised their own activities would have at the very least meant non cooperation on their part. That lack of transparency persists to this day and their activities at the time remain largely secret.
Love this channel. Very informative...Thanks
Thank you, very kind of you to say so.
My biggest problem with the royal conspiracy is it’s ridiculous. It makes no sense. I guess somebody got bored with realistic theories and said, “Let’s open the floor to wild accusations!”
I think there is a tendency to look for the sensational as opposed to the mundane when it comes to the suspect pool, Dave.
Just put Stephen Knight and ripper into a search engine and you'll get the background story to some of this.
@@vespasian606 No. If you were better informed you would know his book is ludicrous and just written to make a buck.
Actually it makes a lot of sense
@@vespasian606 yes Stephen knight came out with the book the final solution,I never believed it and still don't,it was a guy called Thomas stowell who claimed he knew of this ' secret' before knight took it and wrote his book,ripperologist Stewart Evans did some great research about the whole story and how far back it goes if u look him up.
In 1887, a servant Abdul Karim was gifted to her from India. After her death in 1901, he was expelled out of England by the royal family. He died in India in 1909. Why he was expelled needs to be crosschecked.
Interesting.
@@JackTheRipperTours His wife was also with him. Maybe 'Jill The Ripper'.
I would suggest it was a mixture of embarassment and racism. Being optimistic, I'd hope that it might, just might have been that they were enlightened enough to see that the "gift" of a person had been... unfortunate, shall we say.
I'm suggesting embarassment because after the scandal of "Mrs Brown" iirc there had been nasty snippets in publications like Punch about her close relationship with her indian servant.
I didn't know he'd been a gift. How barbaric!
I am afraid it was probably a mixture of snobbery and rascism. Oh and don't forget jealousy.
@@deniseelsworth7816 It was neither! Abdul Karim was loathed by virtually everybody bar Victoria herself. Even the staff hated him as he constantly pulled rank and tried to take advantage by claiming he was a favourite of the Queen etc. After she died, he had no role so was sent back to India.
I don't think Queen Victoria had anything to do with Jack the Ripper. Can't see QV running around the east end of London, waving a knife.
Brilliant as usual. Never heard what Victoria did at all. I never knew apart from a silly theory of a killer prince that she'd been involved in the situation. I always get new information from you.thanks.
She was interesting in her own right, put the two, we will say "characters" in a single sentence, and the link will never be completely broken.
Excellent point.
Thank you for the video. Very informative. What’s the music at the end? It’s very nice
Hi, it's a track called Atmosphere.
Another marvelous presentation. Many thanks :)
So nice of you
No mention of the book;
'Ripper and the Royals'.
by Melvyn Fairclough.
As much as i love a mystery, this book
is as close to the truth as we'll ever get.
The royal family bought 20 copies
as soon as the book came out.
The Queen's comment;
'Fascinating'.
Spot on mate. It's ultimately off target ..it wasn't Gull but its closer than any other theory.
@@Patrick-rc7bm bullshit conspiracy book.
Really enjoyed this. Thank you
Glad you enjoyed it, Jane.
Thank you for all the interesting videos you make about Jack the Ripper Richard. A question if I may, do you believe that there were only 5 Ripper murders or do you think there were more? Apologies if this has already been covered in a video.
Excellent video. Love the tin hats!
Thanks!
Once again, thank you for such an interesting video!
My pleasure!
Love this Videos , very well made visuals
Much appreciated!
Mr Jones, sipping beer with you in THE TEN BELLS will be a great pleasure. I will certainly meet you whenever I happen to come to England.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
I always thought the cops wouldn't have bothered telling her about the murders...
When Inspector Fredrick Abberline visited Sir William Gull with the photograph of the victim, he was very helpful and described the killer as 'psychopath'. Let's assume and presume that the monarchy was'nt involved.
Only in the Michael Caine film 🤓 there is no evidence they ever met in real life x
@@Morsebabe I see.
Loving the humour Richard lol.
Thank you, Paul.
Another enjoyable video of jack the ripper. Thank you sir !
You are very welcome, Patrick.
Splendiferous account indeed ! 👏👍
Great video Richard just a qustion was George lusk ever named a suspect, i know a lot of people who was alive back then was. I hope you are well
I think I've seen him mentioned a few times, Linda, although he's never been a serious contender. Funnily, I was wondering why he hadn't been mentioned more often whilst I was making this video!
Lusk appeared as a suspect in the book version of the Michael Caine film. The book had four different endings and one was Lusk :)
If George Lusk himself was Jack The Ripper, he himself must have written FROM HELL letter to him only. Maybe organizing Whitechapel vigillance committee was deliberate act to hide under the garb of being a good samaritan.
Great video. I have the book The Ripper and The Royals by Melvyn Fairclough. I bought it in 1992 when i was 15. Pretty good read.
would there have been a telephone available that could make such a call?
Another amazing tale xx
Many thanks! Very interesting!!
Absolutely brilliant…. From a massive ripperology fan xxx
Thank you.
Think of the mindset after that first murder--and murder after murder, the women were trusting to take the killer into dark places and even their bedroom, in the case of MJK. He was either well-known in the area, or was a respectable person of authority, or perhaps both. Especially in the case of MJK, she trusted her murderer. Did she go to sleep with the murderer there? Or did he come back and let himself into her room after she fell asleep? I believe it was the latter. Who could be blindly trusted by the victims?
A glimpse of 'Bull"s Eye' lantern will be highly appreciated.
I fealt a growing frustration and anger, that Victoria was deliberately ''protected'' ,from reality.
Do you still do the tours Richard?
Hi James, yes indeed. Hopefully for another 40 years!
@@JackTheRipperTours I’ve done several JTR tours and would love to do one with you. I watched this vid and would be interested in your synopsis. Quite convincingly put together.
ruclips.net/video/UIyAMo-fms0/видео.html
@@JackTheRipperTours Then you will see me someday , Oh buy the way I never shut up... lol
So, Queen Victoria, who had no idea how the police work said they “weren’t what they should be” and the chief immediately resigned. In the very next sentence she points out the obvious, that the courts need to be lit and the advisor points out that one murder was committed inside so, it wouldn’t help at all to have (**to pay for**) better lighting. Sounds pretty cheap to me. Especially when victims of murder were taken for being drunk, and bodies were entirely missed due to darkness and the Ripper was only able to operate at all that close to police due to cover of darkness. No account that he had to meet these women somewhere even to walk to a room. 🙄
A plea for assistance to funding was sent and entirely ignored.
Meanwhile, the Queen **perhaps** received a missive related to the boarding houses of the poorest people in London to shut them down, written by some misaligned middle class dogooder only concerned with their morals and offended by their sexuality, who had no idea how the people struggled to live in Whitechapel - to close the houses to stop the prostitution - to take away their houses and the means to eat at all or sleep somewhere safer than the streets. This of course, was replied to by one of her representatives or a rep of the Secretary of State.
She could easily have funded the police, the reward money to bring tips, the street lighting AND the construction and maintenance of public housing as well as preventative maintenance to deter alcoholism in young people through the church by simply - idk - selling ONE piece of jewelry, skipping a vacation and to one of her houses, cutting military funds and shutting it for a while and allotting a fraction of tax funds from other departments.
In fact it probably wouldn’t even have required as much.
It’s obvious these men manipulated her during her rule. No telling what else was their fault.
I do appreciate that she at least had a keen interest and might’ve done good if they hadn’t been controlling her communication and had allowed her to hear the voices of her people uncensored. Any monarch you have to put on a front for is not informed on your reality. So, how can they possibly help you? If you don’t understand where your subjects are coming from then how can you possibly lead them?
Excellent documentary!
it's interesting that once Victoria got involved the murders seemed to stop - if the one killer theory is correct ? perhaps the killer realised he had reached as far as he could - as apposed to the Cops putting multiple people in " care " and capturing him in the Net - imo it's more likely the first .
Had "women of standing" been murdered. Things probably would have been different.
So who was JTR? I have read somewhere that it was Edward VII (not sure if name is correct)
It was not Edward VII nor any other member of the royal family. Reputable historians have dismissed this theory for years, decades actually.
The theory was that it was Edward VII’s son Prince Albert Victor that was the ripper. But its been disproven. He was at Balmoral at the time of the murders.
Why would you "love to believe" Jack the Ripper was a member of the British royal family? That is just plain odd.
It's called irony!
"the questions that occurred to the Queen".. It sounds as if she was a Ripperologist ahead of her time, with questions, and "what ifs".
So intriguing a person can't stop watching. So many speculations but no one ever really knows who JTR really was 🤔
I thought i saw a documentary some years ago where they suggested that it could have been someone with a royal connection. Not a strict descendant.
👑 Vicky in a Deerstalker hat😆,well ✔ Richard👋
What about henry of battenburg?
I have done face reading of Queen Victoria and heard her recorded voice in 1888 itself which is available on RUclips. She appears to be a motherly figure. Sir Winston Churchill was 14 in 1888. Are there any views expressed by him? His family was close to the royal family.
I've not heard her speaking voice. Where did you come across it? I would love to hear it.🙂
She was a horrible woman. Motherly? She was an awful mother too.😂
Love Richard, forever the gentleman 🎩🔪
Forgive me, but I hope similar petitions are actually laid before the queen today and not just handled by some civil servant.... This should never of happened, even then.
LOL, thats not how momarchy works! 🤣
Follow on to my last post,ironic, all I stated I now see even queen Victoria agreed with my incompetence word concerning police,,,I know what I'd of done after 3rd victim,,,same can be said concerning Peter Sutcliffe the 20th century ripper, he should never of reached 13th victim,,,unlucky fr some it appeared,,I rest,jcvw
So...HM was concerned about the sadistic murders in the east end. That's news. Perhaps she stopped auditing her possessions long enough to pay attention but not do anything. And of course she was upset over " wash it off Warren 's" resignation, forced resignation. After all it was good ole Charlie and Matthews who protected her dullard grandson from the fall out of Cleveland Street. Luckily Fat Ed arrived from Germany in time to send AV off on extended vacation. Victoria cared in so much as it effected the monarchy, which was not at all.
Square Mile Bobbies. City of London Police 1839-1949.
I think the painter sickert had something to do with it.
Queen Victoria was waaayy
before Freud !!!! The Victorians were mostly shorton compassion as well!
I still believe this case will be solved one. day
Lord Dawson of penn I feel was jack the ripper. Royal doctor who killed the king
In JFK's case it really was a conspiracy
All hail King Archie, King of England, Leader of the Dominions of Scotland and Ireland.
Thought HH HOLMES was in england at the time , I'd put my money on it being him !!!
Holmes only became a "suspect" because 1 of his living descendants yearrrrrrs later said so in a book 😂😂😂🤦♂️
Holmes laid traps for his victims; his MO wasn't as a stalker.
Michael maybrick was jack
& because of no reward, Jack the Ripper got away with murder, never was caught & stayed forever unknown
Even £100 would have made the difference, what an irony
After watching “from hell” I always thought there was a possibility for royal family to be linked to the ripper
I mean yeah that was just a movie but how far fetched can that be and we all know how the royal family operates and their scandals so this is a possibility.
Very very far fetched.😂 Good film for fun but the story is actually completely fictional and rubbish.
Ok how much did the royal family pay you to protect the royals.
Agreed. Richard is definitely taking the king's shilling to steer the suspicion away from them! We're on to you Richard!
lol😆
Are you sure royalty didn't play role in ripper murders??it's possible did ,that's why probably never captured,,,I could add more but won't bother, pointless, jcvw
No!
How did victoria make a phone call? The didn't exist. Wtf?
*dun dun dunnnnnnnnn*
1876 telephone invented. 1888 murders took place.
@@katrinamoore3520 Queen Victoria as far as is known never used a telephone. For that matter, neither did Edward VII.
It would be like Queen Elizabeth II using a laptop.
Y’all never solve the case because y’all refuse to follow the evidence. All the evidence.. that includes the talk.
The monarchy should never had any say after all it's just a figurehead