Do you mix sodium metasilacate with the sodium percarbonate or apply them separately? - I know when you apply oxalic acid it is after sodium percarbonate (and separately) - always wondered if you could mix metasilicate with percarbonate
Looks like I’m going to be a pro in washing cedar after Nate’s tutorials. Pity we don’t have any cedar shingles down here. 😬 Even if we did. We would be having the same problem as most go with the cheapest option. But in the long run the cheapest isn’t the cheapest.
I feel like they could have chosen a non film forming stain aswell. Not like i necessarily would have made a better choice. I’m still learning stain. Lately iv been loving the “expert stain and seal” products. Doesn’t have solvents so less cancer. it’s a penetrating/ conditioner oil, kinda like what you’d use on your cutting board (different oils I believe). So basically it soaks into the wood and the pigment sorta sits on top and have a harder layer. Idk exactly how it works. Needs regular cleaning and light reapplication every 2-3 years. No need to strip or sand so it’s simple.
Glad to hear there's something decent out there. As somebody who only cleans, it seems to me that we've come through a period when there's just a lot of crappy stains on the market.
If a potential customer is planning on having wood stained, I have been advocating for them to not use me, but to use the same company they will be having stain do the prep. That way there is one neck to wring if there's an issue. I am over having two companies point fingers at each other. I'd rather lose out on business at that time than get into a he said/she said with potentially shady contractors.
I think he's going to be Band-Aiding it for the rest of his life: touching up here and there many times a year, indefinitely. If it were to be REALLY addressed, this stain could possibly be chemically stripped. Or, it could be media blasted.
Sorry if my point wasn't clear. I'm saying the stain is likely failing because the "soft washing" technique was inadequate to prep this cedar for staining. Totally wrong process. Wrong chemical (sodium hypo/bleach), wrong rinsing (light, generalized rinse from ground versus pressurized fan rinse). Inadequate from start to finish. But, the homeowner saved $900 on the cleaning....
@@carlloveless5319 that’s likely the best option, but I think the homeowner will be in a spat with the painter and house washer indefinitely, and only “band aid” solutions will be attempted..
Do you mix sodium metasilacate with the sodium percarbonate or apply them separately? - I know when you apply oxalic acid it is after sodium percarbonate (and separately) - always wondered if you could mix metasilicate with percarbonate
Looks like I’m going to be a pro in washing cedar after Nate’s tutorials. Pity we don’t have any cedar shingles down here. 😬
Even if we did. We would be having the same problem as most go with the cheapest option. But in the long run the cheapest isn’t the cheapest.
Yep.
Cheap isn't cheap!
I feel like they could have chosen a non film forming stain aswell. Not like i necessarily would have made a better choice. I’m still learning stain.
Lately iv been loving the “expert stain and seal” products. Doesn’t have solvents so less cancer. it’s a penetrating/ conditioner oil, kinda like what you’d use on your cutting board (different oils I believe). So basically it soaks into the wood and the pigment sorta sits on top and have a harder layer. Idk exactly how it works.
Needs regular cleaning and light reapplication every 2-3 years. No need to strip or sand so it’s simple.
Glad to hear there's something decent out there. As somebody who only cleans, it seems to me that we've come through a period when there's just a lot of crappy stains on the market.
Nate, I would like to clean a cedar house with you one day. I am in Maine.
Hmmm. Send me an email.
Shame on the mess.....😢
Yes...I have a cedar deck and used Benjamin Moore oil stain....it's not the best....what do I do?
If a potential customer is planning on having wood stained, I have been advocating for them to not use me, but to use the same company they will be having stain do the prep. That way there is one neck to wring if there's an issue. I am over having two companies point fingers at each other.
I'd rather lose out on business at that time than get into a he said/she said with potentially shady contractors.
I understand the sentiment, and that's usually a good idea!
I wonder how the owner is going to remove all the new stain if they want to start the job over properly. Any idea ?
I think he's going to be Band-Aiding it for the rest of his life: touching up here and there many times a year, indefinitely.
If it were to be REALLY addressed, this stain could possibly be chemically stripped. Or, it could be media blasted.
Nate Knows!😊
Only through hard experience.
So are you saying because they cleaned with bleach, that’s the reason the stain failed?
Sorry if my point wasn't clear.
I'm saying the stain is likely failing because the "soft washing" technique was inadequate to prep this cedar for staining. Totally wrong process. Wrong chemical (sodium hypo/bleach), wrong rinsing (light, generalized rinse from ground versus pressurized fan rinse). Inadequate from start to finish.
But, the homeowner saved $900 on the cleaning....
So in your opinion whats the best way to move forward, a chemical strip with hydroxide?
@@carlloveless5319 that’s likely the best option, but I think the homeowner will be in a spat with the painter and house washer indefinitely, and only “band aid” solutions will be attempted..