Wait to Buy a Rolex Submariner
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- There are three constants in this world: life, the opposite of life, and the Rolex Submariner being mentioned in a conversation about dive watches. To some, the Submariner is as important as diving itself, if not more, as though diving were merely invented as a platform to give the Submariner purpose; for others, they’d sooner hear their own name read out in an obituary than the name of Rolex’s undersea model one more time. For them, I give you this: the Breitling Superocean Heritage ’57-and it’s very much not a Submariner.
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I'm a bit surprised you didn't highlight one of the biggest advantages this has over the other dive watches: it's 10mm thick, at least 2mm thinner than the others. So refreshing design AND thin by almost any standard.
This video presentation was embarrassing always mentioning SUB and Tudor as if they invented the dive watch
While that is cool, there's a reason for that: it's 100m WR, compared to the others' 200-300m which require a lot of extra heft.
@@torontowatches9709 as long as they remain the modern standard and comparison point, they'll keep being mentioned. It's inevitable.
It’s a skin diver doesn’t need to be 300M, the Superocean starts at 500M.
@@torontowatches9709 yes of course. Personally I don't think I'll ever need more than 100m. I was simply giving a reason for why it's thinner than many other divers.
I don’t like dive watches as a style, but I love this watch. It’s just so different from everything else in the genre.
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It is almost identical visually to a Rado Captain Cook.
That watch is a Breitling homage
@@torontowatches9709 yes, I think the original superocean was released a few years before the captain cook. I was just pointing out there are similar styles around. The fifty fathoms is similar too.
They’re all lovely vintage style dive watches.
I had forgotten about the Captain Cook, as it didn’t leave as big of an impression as the Heritage ‘57. I guess there are very few truly unique watches that don’t take inspiration from something which as come before.
Also, the Fifty Fathoms is a great watch.
Completely fell in love with the brown dial, two tone collab with Outerknown first time I saw it. Got it with an additional original mesh, now probably my most worn watch.
My choice for a premium dive/office watch is the JLC Polaris Mariner Date. It meets the requirement of being an anti-Submariner with its compressor style case, exhibition case-back, and better finishing quality.
However, if I am doing regular diving and require a utility watch, it would be the Citizen Promaster BN2041-81L (or the BN 2031-85E - same watch with different dial and bezel colour) that is ISO6425 compliant, powered by Eco-Drive, and comes with a Depth Gauge.
May I recommend you'd take a look at the fiftyfathoms and seaQ?
Two divers that position themselves slightly higher than the sub and the polaris in term of price, but they are gorgeous. Some of the best finishes in the world
Yea I like JLC but would prefer the master compressor diver. I’ve never handled one but it looks awesome in pictures. Citizen pro masters are great too.
@@CheesyCore I'm aware of both. The FiftyFathoms is a bit too big. The GO SeaQ is closer in style to a Rolex Submariner. Both designs shout out as dive watches while the JLC Polaris Mariner Date doesn't unless one is in the know.
My favourite anti-Submariner is the Seiko Turtle, not only is the style distinctive, but it is extremely comfortable, practical and actually priced at a point where the owners might actually consider diving wearing it!
I’m wearing a SOH 44mm with blue dial and the quality of this watch is unbelievable. It looks 3x its price.
Beautifully shot and narrated as always. Nice to see Breitling back in form. I tried some of the range a few months ago and was really impressed with both look and feel.
Your style is mimicked by many but you still hold the line as the top reviewer IMO.
I agree, his videos are very well written. I just write down a few notes and take it from there.
Except for the cringy hand movements
@@azoique And shitting all over Rolex while continuing to make money off the brand by selling their watches on their site.
I think his purpose for that is to promote other overlooked brands, rather than shit on rolex. Rolex has such an insane name & following it's almost impossible to hurt the brand saying anything.
Meh.. except constantly complaining about rolex
Very nice, the minute hand is the only thing I don't really like here. And even if it doesn't look like a submariner, it's pretty close to a captain cook.
Yes it absolutely looks like a Captain Cook
A Glycine Combat Sub does the job for me.
42mm case size, 10.6mm case thickness and a 200m water resistance!
Odd, I didn't like this watch at all when I first saw it. I recently got rid of my Omega Co-Ax Master retro diver. Suddenly, this Breitling is looking really good to me. What happened?
As someone who likes and drives cars, and likes and plays music, your metaphors are very entertaining in every video. Especially the porsche and pink floyd references.
It looks very similar to the Rado Captain Cook!
and I guess Rado is 80% less expansive!
Guess where Rado got the idea
The Superocean, the Longines Legend and the Rado Captain Cook are the most interesting looking dive watches. Ultimately went with the Legend.
Needs to have a screw-down crown to be taken seriously. Even Tudor's 1926 has that and 100m WR
Sinn U1 or U50, Sinn UX, Sinn 856 UTC, Doxa 300T, Blancpain Fifty Fathoms, Christopher Ward C65 Supercompressor, Oris 65, Tudor Black Bay, Seiko Tuna, Seiko Captain Willard, Seiko 62MAS (although with all the Seikos I'd want to see them in hand first for a QC check), Zelos Swordfish, Helm Vanuatu ... the only Submariner that really catches my attention is the Hulk.
Sold my Sub. Replaced it with a JLC Polaris. Very happy with the swap.
"Super Ocean" with 10ATM.
"Super Swimming Pool"
If I wanted a top quality diver then it would be the SBGA463 for me, although the GS divers clasp is too chunky
I find this particular Breitling Super Ocean Heritage interesting and unique. But, it's not one I'd personally own, but, can still appreciate it exists.
For me, I personally like and would like to get a modern Triton Subphotique. Back in the days, it was actually more expensive than a Rolex. And, it actually has quite a great dive history.. even used by Marine Nationals, and the case design is quite unique with it's bullhead design. Actually, if you look at a number of French industrial designs, you'll find some very unique attributes that are a bit quirky to some. I'd give the FA-MAS "Bugel" assault rifle as a quick example. But, I digress. I really like the style and slimness of the Triton. Although, I think the price brand new with a Soprod movement seems a bit high hovering around $5k on the really nice semi-integrated bracelet. I'd say bring them down to around $3-3.5k max new, that would sit about right for me. Probably second hand is where I'd find a price for one right now, though.
For the price, I'd go with the seiko sbex line. I don't really dive but rather surfing and I personally like it more. Also my daily is a turtle so catch waves before work.
The Superocean is beautiful! More beautiful than the Submariner in my view. However, I don't consider anything with only 100 meters of water resistance to be a "dive watch". But if I had the money I would buy it anyway. Because it's beautiful ... and because I don't dive.
Well given that the deepest human dive ever is only 300m I think a 100m watch is fine, especially when you take into account divers don’t actually use watches, but computers these days…
I believe that the biggest disadvantage of this particular watch (bug, not feature) is a lack of a screw-down crown. How the watch without screw-down crown could be seriously called a "dive watch"? After this comes ETA2824 based movement, which would be ok in Yema Superman for 1000 USD, but this Superocean costs 5000 USD.
The bezel shape might have prevented some scratches on the aluminum bezel of the original watch (maybe even on the domed crystal, if high enough). However, to me, especially the design of the vintage one, seems to be inspired by the Blancpain Fifty Fathoms.
The two commas in that second sentence were unnecessary 👍
@@MrCliteatswood like your comment 😉
My choice would be the GP Sea Hawk Pro Titanium 3000. Please do a presentation on the whole Sea Hawk series.
That looks like a Captain Cook Rado.
Write review as always. I'd Prefer this over a Rolex Submariner any day of the week. But clearly the ETA movement and 100 meter depth are cost-cutting measures.
For the budget people a Casio Duro for 50 bucks. An invicta with a Seiko movement for 50 to 70. You can get a Seiko Samurai for under 350 and feels quality. Glycine Combat sub for 350 to 600 and finally an Alpina Sea Strong for 500 to 700 (do not buy the quartz smartwatch) either automatic or just quartz.
I feel that Breitling are stepping their game up at last and it’s about time great review 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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Love them or hate them, Breitling have always had interesting and unique design, probably more so than any other mid tier brand. This obsession or assumption with everything having to come back to Rolex is so tiring.
I saw that Breitling recently released a super ocean heritage with a green dial and a black bezel, and it looks absolutely stunning. I think I'm probably going to be picking one up soon.
Is there a RUclips video for that model.
I'm also considering that model/color
@@Mehrankhan1 There are only a couple out there right now. Just search for the model number: ab2010121l1a1
Honestly this is a more expensive alternative to the Rado Captain Cook instead of a cheaper alternative to the Rolex Submariner
I'm a huge fan of Breitling and am very lucky to own a Navitimer Heritage. I was never really that keen on the Superocean, it didn't make sense to me. However this one looks stunning, it could just be the dial colour of course. To me it looks just like a RADO Captain Cook, not a bad thing as I love that watch too, but at almost half the price, the Captain Cook would be my choice over this Superocean. As for Breitling as a brand I'm pleased they've re-released this watch, over recent years I think they kind of lost their way a bit with dive and pilot watches that have too much colour imo, loosing some of the elegance of previous models and making them look a bit cheap.
The Rado is a Breitling homage.
some here see this as a captain cook rip off.
but the superocean goes back to the 50ies.
the captain cook was somewhen in the 60ies I think…🤔
I love this version of the Superocean. The overall shape reminds me of a Rado Captian Cook. Did Rado borrow that shape from the orginal Breitling SuperOcean?
The bezel being a click or two off-centre in some of the shots makes my teeth itch.
CAN u suggest a cheap automatic watch?
not luxury one
A push crown and a bezel that over hangs so a shirt cuff gets stuck on it. Mine gets no wrist time unfortunately
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees, no. I owned one and it is a watch with a flawless finish and a real beauty but I couldn't become friends with the friction bezel.
Have some similarity w the Rado Captain Cook..
My favourite submariner substitute is the Seiko 300m quartz tuna.
Yes, it's a bit of a monstrosity compared to Rolex, but it's dictated by functionality with a different approach. Emerged 25 years later, but it's still good at what it must do, being a very legible and reliable toolwatch.
Most users aren't going to bring it to 100m underwater anyway.
The Tudor Pelagos is one under rated diver. Light as a feather, mechanically solid as a rock, perfect circumference and impeccable lume. Hard to beat
I feel a Longines Hydroconquest, Certina DS PH200 would probably be better choices for "cheaper". In the middle there is always the Blackbay and the Seamaster.
Poor zodiac never gets a mention even though it was launched a year before the sub ,
I had a Steelfish years ago and then a Colt. Those were great watches.
What is the price range for this watch?
Dear Mr. Talking Hands,
I absolutely love this watch and it has been on my list of Things I Must Have for some time now. Thank you very much for doing a video about it. And thank you very much for doing your usual wonderful job. Please keep up the great work! Cheers!
Sincerely,
J. S. B.
Mr Talking Hands is the man 😎
I like it. I have not paid much attention to Breitling, but this definitely gets my attention for the reasons you pointed out.
"Breitling Superocean" deserves to be in the title of this video.
Tudor's movement isn't exactly "in house". It's made by Kenissi. Tudor, Breitling, Chanel and Norqain all utilize it. Breitling should have used it in this also as Sellita will be the only choice soon.
It’s a good looking watch. But it’s no ISO certified diver…you’d need a minimum of 200m WR and a lume pip on the seconds hand for that I believe.
Great video! I’d love to see a comparison of a vintage sized 39mm sub (even a Tudor sub) and the new 38mm SuperOcean. I know it gets classified by Breitling as a woman’s watch based on sizing, but seems like a great all around size to me. My 37mm rado also thinks so.
That would also be a good side by side comparison. Rado Captain Cook and SuperOcean.
I am in love with this watch, it is just so different from anything else out there, and it’s thin which’s add’s another element. Not having 200m of water resistance I do not see as a big issue seeing that I use a dive computer when I dive not a watch and other than if I am out on a boat and fall in or get a bit of spray I wouldn’t get this watch all that wet considering I see no point in wearing an almost £4000 watch to the pool. It is a lovely every day watch. It’s got an beautiful unique design, it is surprisingly thin, has enough water resistance where to I have no worries getting it wet and gives that lovely vintage feel to an extent not seen much in this genre in my opinion.
Just out of interest,but is the bezel misaligned or is it just the camera angles ??
Waited so long for you to review my Superocean Heritage!
rado captain cook is cheaper alternative ,different,slim and nice movement
Cuervo y Sobrinos Manjuari Buceador. Same movement with better finishing and spectacular case that screams originality and quality. 1882 founding and depth rate 1882 feet. There is nothing else like that on the market.
I very much like this watch. Aesthetically, it is styled close to the Rado Captain Cook, which in most iterations, is a much more affordable watch. However, unlike the majority of the Captain Cook options, it is devoid of a date window. Thank you for a fine presentation!
I do not like the dial, complicated 3,6,9,12 markers, hands... And a bezel without minutes on the hour markings is close to useless. Yes, I do have a Submariner for almost 25 years and have done few hundred dives with it...
New drinking game: take a shot every time Mr. Talking Hands says Submariner in this video 😅
I think for an "anti sub" the seiko captain Willard is a good choice 😉 but a compressor style case is even further from the general size and shape of the of the original and homages.
Best watch content on RUclips bar none
As long as nobody goes swimming or diving with this Breitling or any submariner, this is probably a good item to let people know you can dish out 3700 £ on a swiss watch.
That is the purpose of these purpose-built "tool watches" after all.
Been waiting on a review on the concave bezel version.
Thank you
Nice Breitling Super Ocean, I like the dial and the curve bezel. I don't like the mesh bracelet, they should have a sporty bracelet like the oyster bracelet.
The Rado Captain Cook Heritage model do very much look like it albeit in a 37mm guise.
Which dive watch wouldn't I choose over a Submariner? Every person I know with a luxury watch has a Sub. I'm not one to follow the crowd. I'm also not going to wait a year for one.
I'd love your take on the Tissot Seastar 2000
Nice dial. Not so nice bowl-like bezel. Prefer the Glashutte SeaQ. IMHO.
Far better looking than the sub imho...tho I went for the heritage sm300. 👍🏻
Wise decision.
Great illustration I guess as any decent watch enthusiast you must be a Formula one fan
can you please make a round up on team watches? thanks mate for sharing your knowledge and passion
This is THE Best watch review channel, #1....No doubt about it. I'm convinced a major reason is because we do not ever see the presenter. Also, video quality is so wonderful. Great job. You don't get the views you deserve
This watch reminds me the model captain cook from Rado
Love that angled Rado Captain Cook style bezel
The sensible thing to do is to buy an in house movement, 200m water resist, rugged, functional, accurate, diver for £130, then spend the thousands left over on somewhere fab to use it! No such watch? Orient Ray II. Brilliant 👍🏻
I'd like to see you compare the new superocean 46 with bracelet (£3950) and 300m vs the sub, that doesn't have a patented bezel lock. For the Rolex Sub no date, is it really a better watch at £7500 list, which of course you'll never pay! £3.5 difference minimum.
As a diver, I'd choose the superocean all day, way cooler. Woukd be interesting to see what.you think?
I love the inverted bezel
First glance I thought it was a Rado captain cook!! But then the captain cook so much better looking.
Omega 300 my preferred submariner substitute.
Ackshually the *best* _cheaper_ alternatives to the Rolex Submariner are the Omega Seamaster 300, and the Grand Seiko SBGH291. End of discussion.
Reminds me of the Rado Captain Cook, I like that watch too.
This is one beautiful Breitling. I love the design and the color of blue used with it.
A beautiful looking watch.
I love compressor cases. I own a legend diver. I would swap it for a jlc polaris maybe but I just dont want to spend that money on a watch at this stage if my life.
Tudor pelagos over a submariner, and I have both. So I can be a good judge. The pelagos is a stunning watch.
I have lusted after this for about 2 years now - the rainbow special edition is particularly lovely - it’s what a watch should be , interesting, unique and well put together - I believe the presentation is drawing a contrast and not a comparison to the more standard divers from Rolex and Omega etc - I don’t think they would have the balls to produce a watch like this - I wish it could be slightly smaller though .. otherwise perfect
Oozes style and certainly separates itself as was its aim. beautiful piece.
SUPER OCEAN 9 times & SUBMARINER uttered 25 times 🤣.. watch ⌚ finder🔎 is obsessed
thats a badass watch, and breitling is deffffinitely getting better and better…BUT its no sub alternative. just my opinion. i rlly like that tho lol may be buying my first breitling 🤔 never thought id say that
A question for those in the know. I have been looking at the Tudor Black Bay 58, but having just watched this video, I like this Breitling. My question is which is the better watch in terms of an investment piece. This will be my 1st watch at this price range and don't want to regret it. Thanks
Watches are terrible investments. Buy a watch intending to keep it forever. Buy something you want, not what the doodle bashers on instagram tell you to want. If you want to invest money, go talk to your financial panther.
Personally I’d stay clear of that ideology. The only watches that seem to have had any monetary gains over the past 5-10 years are Grand Seiko and Rolex. GS have been increasing in value purely based on the quality of the watches and Rolex is basically the Analog bitcoin of the horological community. I,d personally take Steve’s advice on board he,s spot on.
I’m not over keen on this watch as a diver, I have a ten year old sub that I bought 2 yrs ago and it’s risen in value (because it’s a Rolex) I have just bought a BB 58 Blue and I love it, fantastic value for money.I bought it to wear & keep long term, not for resale value. It may go up in the long term because it is Tudor & old Tudor’s go up in value because of the ‘Rolex’ link but it’s a big but… in the end but what your heart tells you because no other ‘similar’ watch will ever scratch that itch, I know I must have gone through 10 sub wannabes until I finally succumbed and bought my Rollie!
I wish you did 'lume shots' in each video, when appropriate of course.
The Captain Cook by Rado looks almost exactly the same, has a better movement, and is almost half the price.
I love the watch and the video, but for watches in that price range, it must, at the very least, have a Date complication. I will have to be the stereotype reply here, because my obvious alternative to an overpriced Rolex is my Planet Ocean Ref. 2209.50.00. It ticks every box for craftsmanship, heritage, design, performance, and value. Next to that is my daily, a silver and blue Aqua Terra, and I alternate between the two, depending on my mood. Torgoen is another smaller brand that is in the $2-300 range that makes an excellent dive watch in their T43, which has no business looking and performing as it does for the price. It's a 44mm beast, but it is a very comfortable wear. Longines is another brand that I'd take over a Rolex any day.
This is why this is the only watch channel I view and am subscribed to. Great video, as always. Thank you!
Can Steinhart Ocean One series be part of this conversation?
Stunning piece
And the hour hand is a 'B'.
Великолепные с точки зрения дизайна и каких-никаких истории и наследия бренда часы, но имеющие два, на мой субъективный взгляд, фатальных недостатка: 1. отсутствие завинчивающейся заводной головки; 2. использование ETA2892 при MSRP 5000 долларов США. Далее можно подвергать известному скепсису "легенду" этого исторического "дайвера", прородич которого выпускался от силы пару лет жалким тиражом, тогда как Submariner, не раз и не два упомянутый в этом ролике, имеет более чем полувековую непрерывную! историю выпуска.
Oris Divers 65 is my alternative of choice, thinner, neater and just as sexy
Rolex Submariner (no date) has the perfect dial layout. Others just copy Rolex or try to do something different failing once and again.
Very nice design and alternative to the ubiquitous Sub.