How to Install Ceiling Grid
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- This is the same method we use to teach and show our crew how to start running grid for a drop ceiling. Please let us know if you have any questions!
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I have a question. Where do you set the jetline, in the middle of the main or on the edge?
Milton Martinez personally I like the middle on 9/16” grid and either way on the 15/16” grid. I don’t think you can go wrong with either, just a preference. Just remember which side you set it so that you don’t go center one end and side on the other end. Sounds silly but it happens every so often. Thanks for the question.👍
Side of main ts
I use string sometimes a laser on floor
add half inch and go outside a line it for 15/16 but 9/16 add 1/4 inch
outside edge for best results, it takes the guess work out of it.
I owned an acoustical company in California and installed ceilings for 40 years. Your video pretty much covers it all. A few minor tips: Put the jet line on the edge of the main. You don't have to eyeball the center of the main that way. Set the laser at ceiling level and lose the laser target. When you are cranking the wire down to level, put your free hand over the main as you have to anyway to pull it down as you level it. The laser will sweep across your hand so you can easily tell when to tie off the wire. The laser will also give you a sort of chalk line to set the wall angle to. The target is a major pain to use on wall angle. The target just adds steps and is always falling on the floor. Last tip is lay out your wires so they can be tied to the grid at the intersection of the main and cross tee and the wires will be plumb. It makes installing the tile much quicker. Time is money. Be glad that you don't have to install grid in California. Earthquake codes! Good video! Jerry
Jerry, I’m glad I don’t have to install for California either! I’ve heard those codes are nuts. I appreciate the feed back, only thing I’ll say on the jet line to the side is some times if the ceiling and line are at the same height the jetline can get caught in the cross T and snag it. So some days I’ll go center some days I’ll do it to the side of the main. I don’t have a hard stance on that. Appreciate the feedback👍
those are all things i was taught by a grumpy 40+ years in the game guy too :)
@@klevrah Grumpy???
Excellent advice . Thank you sir!
Put the laser card on a long "necklace" around your neck. It's always in reach even if it comes off the grid.
That was the most self explanatory video I've seen thank you sir
Glad we could help!
Great professional job, straight to the heart of this installation, you are a solid teacher.
Thumbs up in first 30 seconds! Thanks for showing the components. Helpful for us who have never done this.
Thank you! Yea we figured it be a good idea to break it down instead of just jumping into it.👍
The robot legs are my biggest takeaway. So cool! Also a good video
Thank you! About to do an office myself, this is extremely helpful!
A week into my first year apprenticeship in commercial construction and they have me helping with installing dropped ceilings, 8 videos in and this is the first one that explains the process the 4th year journeyman uses to layout the grid. ( Is a joke, he has enough experience and hours to be journeymen, but he's still a 4th year)
I’m glad I watched this whole video. I realize I can not do this myself 😢😂
Oh no! 😱
God bless you so much my dear friend. This is so great your English is so clear and you explained step by steps
Thank you👍
Excellent video. No fluff. Good teacher.
Thank you👍
I love the way that he explains detail for detail very good video he definitely knows what he's talking about thank you
Glad we could help.
This is very well explained and demonstrated. I commend your hard work!
we are planning to replace an original old tile ceiling with a suspended ceiling in basement of a 60 yr old home . this video was very helpful in learning how the project will unfold. We're having a contractor do the work however its useful to know what the installation process is all about. We have yet to decide on the lighting, as pot lights were too expensive.
As an architect in training, love to see it!
Thanks man for taking the time to make the video.
You're welcome!
Excellent video my friend!
Wow, that is amazing how you put that ceiling up..Damm you are talented!
Thank you👍
Thanks man, very informative and easy to follow.
Glad we could help!
Thank very much for your informative video. And most importantly, you have time to answer every question..
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Thank you!
this is a very simple and good video of learning the basics of installation of ACT grid......thanks a lot for sharing.
Thank you!
Awesome thanks good to know u remind me of the Boss I had that taught me ceilings
U make it look so simple bro and u gave me some good tips more drop ceiling ideas plz!
Thank you! Yea we get to them when something tricky comes up, we’ll have more in the future👍
Thanks for creating this learning video.Liked your passion behind this creation. I had learnt from your video to ensure the Level of the Ceiling using Laser card and bending the wire using the pliers. I also read in one of the comments whether the sting line to be positioned on the center of the Main Tee or side of the Main Tee. For me both will work, as far as the installer does the basics right. Another observation, the suspension wire used was directly cut from the coil. Probably Pre-straightened would be better for achieving quality installation.
Little trick a ceiling guy taught me for layout is to count the number of fulls and multiply by two pull the number from the wall mark and measure the remainder from the other wall and divide by two pull that number from the wall and every four foot are your mains
Congratulations good job and teaching.
Thank you!
mike I like your video
have anice day
I do acoustical ceilings long time ago
you are a good person
Thank you
it would be highly appreciated if you can post your tools. such as puncher & rivets tools. for beginners like me, this is the first time in my life seeing someone use a puncher & rivets tools.
On vacation right now, I’ll list them out below next week for you sometime
@@mitchellacoustical3119 thank u! enjoy ur vacation!
Thanks for explaining all of this.
Your video was very well done! Thank you.
Thank you - we appreciate it!
Nice video man keep up the good work !
Thank you!
Thanks, so I will know what they are doing to my ceiling.
You make it look so easy 😅
nice video and straighforward. greetings from the Gods. 😊
Excellent... Thank YOU!
Ceilings used to be this easy , now with the crazy lightning designs and diffusers , it's cuts up the whole ceiling .
Tell me about it! We just had to do a consealed system with trims and diffusers in a few conference rooms. I think each tile was 2’x8’
Great video and straight to the point.
Thank you!
Great explanation 👌🏽
Great job teaching yho just save me
Glad we could help!
Very informative thanks for the video
Glad we could help!
Very informative video. You are a great teacher. Thanks for sharing your expertise.
Thanyou ticher very Good and cily acustic
Thanks!
If you put a lag in your drill and hook it to a bent wire give it a spin it will straighten the wire.
thanks for your excellent video? a question how much is the range per square foot installation, labor only
Nice job.
Thank you
My friend: the best video I watched
Very informative, I'm a handyman and I'm about to take a job like this, never done it, I was a little nervous about it but you make it really easy, my question is pricing, can you give me a rough idea of how much to charge?
My estimator knows our pricing, but with ceilings it’s double your material. So if your material is 1000, then then your labor would be 1000 for a total of 2000. Or at least that how I used to estimate it. Hope that helps.
@@mitchellacoustical3119 thanks for your reply 🙏
Great job thanks…….🤝🤝🤝🤝
This is a very good video and I enjoyed watching it, but I am confused about how much to trim off of the main tees and centering everything. Years ago, my father and I installed two suspended ceilings in my home and they turned-out great, but I don't remember how we laid-out the grid work. The room I will be working on will be in a bathroom and the walls are concrete.
Well done. Good explanation.
Thank you!
Thanks
Great video
Earlier you mentioned running mains along the short axis but did opposite in the installation. Any reason?
Might have been the room I was in. The joists were running opposite of where they needed to run in this particular case. We had chosen this room ahead as it had good lighting but this question comes up time to time.
Love it bro
Thanks for information
i whatchet many times i hope you can make another video of the same very good like those good movies 1 2 3 verciones
So why is it so hard to push the tiles up? And then get them back down when I'm running cable above a T-bar ceiling?
He really got ladder shoes on😂😂
He's working smart, something we should all do.
Damn I wish they still made those Skywalker stilts..
They were my favorite too. I felt I had a little bit more flexibility in the skywalkers rather than the durastilts
Thanks. This was an excellent explanation. I will be putting up about 1,000 sq ft of 2’x2’ panels in our basement. I’ve already chosen a USG panel I want to go with. Any recommendations for a grid manufacturer (USG vs Armstrong) or a generic and are there any differences in the quality, etc? Thanks.
Usg, Armstrong or Chicago metallic are the brands we usually use. They’ll all have the same install, the stab tabs may be a little different. I can’t speak on any off brands as they wouldn’t be spec’d on our projects.
Would raising an existing drop ceiling be similar? is there an "easy" way to bump it up? Is it possible to raise just part of a ceiling in a room, or do they always have to come straight across level?
4” to 6” maybe you got a chance but higher than that it’s tough
Apologies for my stupid q - I am not sure about the hanging wire, how to correctly drill - what type of screws to attach to the concrete roof and then suspend the hanging wires from. Any help anyone please
We usually use concrete pins with an L bracket. You can use eye lags specifically for concrete too
Great video. Can you demostrate a diagonal Act grid?
Yea we can. Usually we wait till that scenario comes up. Might take a while unless one comes up here soon. I’ll put it on our request board for now.
you were sayingg main should on shortest distance, least materials, but why did you choose north to south? which should longer distance in the room.
On typical grid but I had to cross hatch because of the way the bar joists were aligned
Awesome video, I was wondering why the ceiling we had installed is all jacked up, the guy did none of what you did and just did a bad job.
Is there any benefit to floating the ceiling vs. designing a room in 2'/4' increments so that the tiles end exactly aligned to the walls? Is there an efficiency or cost/material savings between one verses the other?
Hmm, I guess you could but that would be very constrictive to the architect drawing the layout. Most people don’t look at ceilings. Just as long as they have equal boarders, like say 6” around the perimeter or something.
Hi bro. if you don't mind I got a concrete walls is there another way to glued wall holders. Please reply and thanks
You’d have to use tapcons or a type of nail for concrete
Thanks for the informative video. Can you please tell how to remove a tee from already installed grid. I have tried but they seemed locked or something
I will make this video
Please what is the manufacturing length of the wall angle and cross tee?
The angle is 12’ and the Ts are 2’ or 4’
What do you do if you accidentaly pop a rivet in the wrong place?
And what's your method of fastening the line thread? Ive always used laser but resorted to line thread when its a long corridor/too much light.. I just feel like there must be some smart easy way to fasten it compared to my struggle to get it up behind the wall molding
Usually we drill out the rivet and then caulk it. It’s very rare that it happens.
The jet-line we use a screw and tie a knot above the ceiling. Also it doesn’t need to be on the center of the T or side of the T, as long as you keep the spacing to the jetline the same you should be fine.
@@mitchellacoustical3119 yeah thats what i also do, fastening it to a screw, then getting it behind the trim and out in the room.. Such a hassle. Because of bad eyesight, my depth vision screw up and i cant see calculate correctly if i put the string above the main runner..
But i also add half the runner's width to make it parallell to the edge, so much easier on the eyes, and less hassle to measure every T profile when locking in the diagonal.
I really like your practice of carrying less tools though. Ive thrown away my rulers in advantage of measure tape only, i hate distance lasers with a passion when im done finding the room's length and width.
I like that im not the only one measuring the main runner that way.. Everyone else use the laser measure for everything
How did u set up the string line. U didn’t show it.
Hello friend, excellent all the explanation, consult, as it is called the tool with which it makes the drill
Great video! I'd love to know what brand and model of laser you're using. The one I have is absolutely no where near as easy to use.
That laser I used was a dewalt 3 line laser. They’re about 500 or so. You can find decent ones around 300.
When re doing a ceiling and tie wires are in concrete but old lay out wasn’t centered will same tie Waite work or should you run new wire right above the new grid layout
I depends. A little of the centerline is fine but if you’re pulling it and it’s strongly pulling on the grid you should put up new wires
I'll give ya a comment. THANK YOU for not adding some mundane, tedious, annoying background music. Makes listening / watching "difficult" ... especially when repeated. Now that I got that off my chest ... I don't think it matters much if at all, but I noticed in the Armstrong video (as well as the guy I work with) that you differ in how you use the jet line. They run the line down the edge of the first main tee and center of the first cross tee. Any thoughts? I may prefer your method.
Freedom WatchDog You’re welcome! I wouldn’t even know where to begin with the music ha. As far as the jet line, my placement comes from what my dad taught me. I think for me the center makes sense because until your wires are leveling the main, they have a chance to snag the jet line. Where if it’s centered you have a better chance at staying on top of the jet line and not disrupting it. Same goes for Tees snagging the side of the jet line when you set them as well. Neither is the end all be all, I just choose to center mine. Appreciate the comment👍
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Do these rules apply for smaller rooms, like a 7.5 x 6? I have a small bathroom I want to do but always find videos for larger rooms. I would assume the same technique applies?
Yea it would all work. Should try and center the light. So you’d lay it out with center tile in mind.
@@mitchellacoustical3119 for sure. Thanks brother!
Nice video it's been awhile since I did this, I needed a refresher. Reading other comments I don't understand why they are confused about this video, your instructions are plain and simple. Thank you
Glad we could help, I appreciate the feedback
Wow i learned alot, Thank you.
Glad to hear that - thank you!
Another question I have. When you start riveting do you start 4 ft from the wall ? Then skip one and one ? Or can you start riveting anywhere ?
Well the mains are the pieces that have to be riveted starting out, then yes adjacent to the main I usually start somewhere around 4’ and then skip to the next T 4’ away. When you’re riveting Ts they will always be 2’ or 4’ apart but you only need to rivet them every 4’. Hope this makes sense.
@@mitchellacoustical3119 When you said around 4' does that mean 4' away from the wall? or just anywhere ?
Boss wants me to go up and start installing this. how do i put the jetline in when i put it in the mold?
I usually tie the jetline to a rivet(double knot it) then take pliers and put that rivet end in between the drywall and molding. Beware that it can scratch the drywall but we’re the tapers too so it doesn’t matter on our end. Hope this helps👍
Hey! May I ask where did you get the leg extension equipment from?
My kitchen ceiling has a drop ceiling but it's shaped like a Dome, I be liv I can in stall a nice drop ceiling but I have a ceiling fan right smack in the middle of the ceiling, what can I do without removing my ceiling fan. I wish I can send you a picture
joanne oliver without seeing it, what I would do is take down the light so there is just a mounting box, then you’ll frame that mounted box to something so it’s sturdy to carry the weight of itself and the ceiling fan. Once that’s done pick your ceiling height and run the grid. That tile in the center of the fan may be a bit tricky but we have a ceiling tile video as well. Let me know if that helps👍
Are commercial units with ceilings like this fully separated by floor to ceiling walls or are they like cubicle style once you get above this tile roof you’re building? And I know commercial is a broad brush, I’m referring to strip malls where it’s a single grid.
This was for a concrete testing facility. Walls didn’t need to go to the deck. I think just 16’
What did u use to bend the wire
Hi Mitchell , excellent video and presentation .
I have installed few times before small suspended ceiling decade back with no any problems , but something strange happen right now , the installation of 24" x24 " USG drop in ceiling tiles , the Main T bar I can't divide equally in a room size 12'x24' , I have always 3 " on ether side off from equal from center where cross bar 24" suppose to be locked in to Main T bar 12' long , no matter how I divide main T bar I have always on one side 3" difference in size of tile .
Could you please explain , does different T bar is required , how to equally divide tiles on a room 12'x 24' with a 12" main T Bar ?
Thanks a lot , cheers :)
plutoniusis thank you for the question. Now if I reading it correctly all you would have to do if the room is truly 12’x24’ is cut the Main on the slot line. Those slot lines are 6” apart and we know that 2 of those slot lines would make 1’. So that being said cut on a slot line and you should have equal 24” boarder along the entire field and perimeter. You can start with your main being 24” c off the wall or 48” center and start with cutting the slot line and that should do it. Let me know if that works👍
@@mitchellacoustical3119 , salute Mitchell , , I went quick in basement again to check what's wrong with measurement , I can not establish that parameter , the beginning of the 12' main T bar has first interlocking spot at 3" and then every 6" , that means that first tile should be interlocked at 27" , so we continue to have that 3" difference and on the end tiles can not be equally sized , yes room is 12' wide and 24' long , , even if locking part are cut off , it does make any difference .
Is there other T bar 12' long with all locking holes divided 6" from a start to end , so full tiles could be installed .
Thanks a lot for your input , Good night :)
Yes the 12’ long main comes with the slot starting 3” off each end. So take your snips and cut only from one end on the slot line. Then take that 3” piece you just cut off the one side and connect it to the un-cut side. (So now you have a main 12’ long, with the first slot starting at 6”)
Hang the main and go.
Real simple
@@Chusch25 Or better yet just run a 12" border and not worry about making full tiles hit, that is if the lights work out. it's a basement right?
chris Rosenthal yeah exactly what I was getting at
Hi,could you please tell me where to get these legs extension that you used in the video?
I think they’re durastilt or marshalltown
My basement is to low!!! Whats the minimun distance between joist and the bottom of the main??? How much space is needed from the top of main to the joist!!!!
My best guess with hangers and tying the wire and the depth of the mains is 4"
I currently have a drop ceiling installed in my salon making the ceiling only 8/ 9 feet tall which we have high ceilings above so plenty of room to move it up by 2-4 feet. Is it possible to raise the grid or would we have to remove the entire grid to do so?
I’m not sure that would be cost effective? You can re use the tile. But grid is inexpensive.
Hey, great video! Where did you get that red magnetic guide to help set your height?
I think they come with the lasers now. Should come with a dewalt laser, or any supply shop. I think I got my from PLS.
Hey, I have someone who wants to frame a wall with metal studs on a room with that type of ceiling. The room is finished already, they just got the idea to split it into two. So how can you anchor the top plate/rail if there's nothing really solid to anchor it to?
You should just be able to use steel studs and under pin it. Meaning take the track and screw it to the grid using mini screws
how do you install a suspended ceiling with a window in the way?
You’d have to create a bulk head/header to attach the wall angle.
Do you have a vid on that?@@mitchellacoustical3119
Can you show how to get the measure -so you can find out how many tiles will it need
That should just be length x width and add 10% for waste.
Why not use a laser instead of the jet line?
Thought he said runs mains the shortest distance then planned the longer way
Yea I think I explained that this room the trusses were flipped, so I had to run the room this particular way. Which was the longest distance.
what did you use to attach the wall angle to the wall?
1-1/4 fine thread screws
I enjoyed your video. do you ever install ceilings without pop rivets?
We sure do! We call them wag clips, or we cut mains and screw them into the wall and then run a screw through the main on the wall and main on the grid. I really like using wag clips when we do 9/16" gird because its really hard to get the rivet into the main or T.
@@mitchellacoustical3119 Have you ever cut in tight? No fasteners of any kind.
@@randyledbetter4529 I haven't, I heard from national GC's that its more of a seismic requirement not to rivet so that the ceiling can have room to move. But we've always at least riveted both mains and one wall of T's, or we'll use the way clips if the architect specs them.
Can you buy hardware to lay the grid out in 4 x 8 squares?
No, you can just not put in the 4’ Ts.
What you wear to high your height
I ran my center grid down the middle, when I got to last 15 feet of the center , my center was off, it narrower the last 15 feet .
I have a stairway making it narrower.
Yea that’s an issue with the room then. Kinda have to pick your poison. You can center the room or have a boarder on one side.