I learned more from watching your video than I have learned from any foreman I have worked with before. I have been working construction for 5 years now and everytime I asked someone information about blue prints I would always get turned away. I've built all this before. After watching your video it finally clicked in my head. Thank you. I will pass this video on to my friends.
Exactly why I do this, I know how hard it is to get information out those guys. It's a better world when we pass on information and grow💪 right on man!
That's one of my pet peeves. When are a journeyman or an apprentice. Not being involved in the drawings to see exactly what you're building. Vertical wall assembly, very important to know. I am a foreman for a union metal stud framing outfit in Alaska. I don't keep my team in the dark at all, in fact the opposite. I am also determined to sharper than I was the day before.
Alot of times they dont want you to know too much they dont want you getting better then them and they dont want you taking their job i found this to be the case alot. Ive forgot some of the stuff hes doing and have done tons myself im looking for assistant super or working foreman job I still enjoy work but years of framing and drywall got a double fused spine. I bought some books years ago they are great and even old bosses used to copy pages to share info with the newer guys Im gonna pull them back out now to get some refreshing out of those too. Get yours get the knowledge get the experience and get your money. Dont let know hold you down. There seems to be some good paying jobs out there today better then 25 years ago, and Im seeing alot of opportunities out there in the Trades and im bound to go get mine. Take care brothers and be safe. Sharp stuff, dont take a lift up without seeing where your wires are and dont stuff eachother in the face handing studs up. Out in front of eachother and communication. I got some slices and dices slipped on a wet roof doing Apple Store for the release of the Iphone. Almost went down on my neck luckily I only cut my forearm all the way across the bottom massive cut. Sliced a wrist one time as well. Take care.
You come a long long way!! Video are way better more informative. Yup I see 100k subscribers soon keep going keep going!!!! Been watching you since you had less then 500 subs
Thanks for the great video. Is bracing required for a 9 foot 4 inch tall partition below a 15 foot ceiling? Can I just screw into the 9 foot 4 inch drop ceiling grid? The wall has joining walls so it’s locked in laterally. Thanks.
If I have a freestanding metal stud room, which is four walls, how do I run the ceiling joist… The walls are only 8 feet and the ceiling is 10 feet so it’s not going to be up to the metal structure and the building ceiling.
Great video, and honestly as a DIY’er it really helps. Question, I’m planning to add a room in my condo unit, as per the builder’s layout plan. The floor is all vinyl laminate. Should the floor be removed or can I install the steel tracks on top of it? Thanks
Right on!! Yes for sure you can put the track right on top of the vinyl! Just beware, if you ever want to remove the vinyl it will be a hassle to cut the edges around the walls. Most of the time we just put a new 1/4" subfloor over the vinyl for hardwood or carpet. Its very challenging to remove vinyl, it takes a large machine to do it proper / quick.
@@ConstructionKronies thanks a lot. But just to be clear, the vinyl i'm referring to are the floating vinyl planks flooring. Not sure if you responded with the glued-on squared tiles in mind, which i totally agree, those are a pain in the neck to remove. So, would that be okay, or should I remove a section of vinyl planks and then install the tracks? Cheers!
O ya so that makes it easier even, I would put the track right on top. If later they want to remove the flooring you can use the flush cutter around the perimeter and remove the tiles.
Pretty much, the STD track can be used for headers, box beams and, for penetrations. Slott is only for under structure top track for deflection and fire rating.
I use Adobe Acrobat for everything now. I used to use Nitro PDF before I started editing video but having the creative Cloud apps Acrobat Pro is included and really great stuff. nitro has more estimating tools tho.
I should pick a time and do everyday at that time. On our way to Jasper tomorrow morning I heard that site is going to be nuts but I will think about the time on the way up and be sure to let everyone know!
Mostly 3-5/8 if nothing goes on top. Go bigger both stud width and drywall, maybe add 3/4" ply if you plan to put anything heavy on it. You can really go as big as you want, brace it proper, run furring bar on top with hanger wires to eyelegs in the ceiling, they have for steel self drilling and concrete you can shoot them in with a Hilti. Like tbar but for drywall ceilings. Hope this makes sense.
Yes, every wall that goes u\s structure has to have slot track. We cut the stud anywhere from 3/4" to 1" shorter and we put the screws just below the half way of the slot. You can also take them out.
Hi, I just discovered your channel, amazing stuff. I need to do a round framing platform of sorts 72” on the ceiling above a round table. What would you suggest is the best way to go about it? Thanks?
You can get track that bends now. Draw the circle on the floor even if its a finished floor just tape down some hard board and draw on that. Then make the top and bottom track, forming it to that circle. Then laser up with a couple pin lasers 2 opposite edges to install the top track. Set a line laser to elevation and check your stud lengths, cut them, install a few to get the bottom track on (still checking with the pin lasers that it lines up with the top. After that just finish studding it out and then wrap with 1/4" or 1/2" drywall.
Hello! I find your videos very interesting, and I'm learning a lot from them. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Could you recommend any free software for metal stud framing design? I'm eager to learn how to design a small house with a metal frame using software. Thanks for your help!
Outside of AutoCad, sketch up, revit i don't know much for the designing end. I usually just sketch it up on graph paper myself, I freehand with a drawing tablet in Adobe software.
So the corrugated metal roof decking you chose to “shoot” into instead of a self tapping screw was sufficient support for top track, is it common to be able to make protrusions into the roof decking? I have to frame some walls in a commercial application and I’m more of a residential contractor, Thanks!
Yes, so it's actually not corrugated roofing panels, it's qdeck. On top of the deck there will be another 8" at least of material before the gravel or sbs. Only shoot to qdeck when it is full of concrete. We use heavy gauge framing screws to screw the track to it. Hope that helps my man!
No we wouldn't screw to a metal roof, what that is -- is metal decking we call qdeck it goes below the roof or is used between floors. Sometimes filled with concrete if between floors. When it's on the roof the next layer will be roof board, rigid insulation and so on depending on if it's sbs, modified or metal standing seam. It's I think 18 gauge usually so use heavy gauge self taping screws.
Thank you..the carrying channel never came with the delivery. I think these guys cheap out honestly. I always order it and it makes drywall so much easier, just sometimes it doesn't come. I will be putting it in eventually I have extra on another job. Cheers !
Yes over in Toronto it’s a must every 4’, overlapped and screwed together depending if it’s a fire rated or sound brier. Sometimes they ask for bridging clips..depending on the engineer.
What it the maximum height you can frame using a single stud? I have a bay with a 25-foot ceiling, and the longest studs I could find are 20 ft. I wonder how can I frame that.
Just call the local steel stud drywall supplier like Foundation Building Material and order custom length. I've used studs that are 40' long, I've had studs rolled to size right on site with portable machines if they can't fit on the truck. 25' is a very standard length you won't have any problem. Just google drywall supplier in your area and call a couple for pricing.
We will use self taping framing screws, wafer heads to the qdeck, and we use clips if the track lands in between them, use self tapers to attach the clips and then we can use regular framing screws to fasten to to clip (for light gauge steel). If it's concrete or structural steel we use the Hilti BX3.
ok nice to watch your videos ..nice work..i am a licensed carpenter but no experience with this stuff but i now am working on a 60 unit building and have put in a bunch of drop ceilings using hat track and shinny 90 they call it all put together with half inch kelly screws ....but now they want me to build bulk heads in each living room to hide air pipes and dryer vents using hat track and l brackets AKA shinny 90 any advice on hat track spacing and screw length or just any advice would be very very very much appreciated...thanks
Yes my man, use the #8x1/2" wafer screws for metal to metal and the 1-1/4 drywall screws putting the angle to drywall. I always go 16" o.c. for ceilings and bulkheads never 2'. Hope that's helps. My apologies it took so long to get back to you. I just got back from an out of town job was beat.
@@ConstructionKronies thank you! Been twenty years since I did metal framing with my dad (was twelve= nearly zero help). Lots of detail I hadn’t considered.
What methods are available in attaching/connecting pre-sheathed 8'w x 10't steel stud walls, vertically from 1st floor to 2nd floor & 2nd floor to 3rd floor ? Sheer cassettes are already built into our wall panels.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of this method, panels are a real pain in the butt. However, after the panel is in place we just drill 1/4" to 3/4" bolts or rod into the concrete and fasten down nut and washer. 9/16" to 3/4" #8 or #10 hex self tapers for the top if steel or just hammer drill if concrete like the bottom. If it's suspended outside like curtain wall you need to pre-install clips with hitting shots or pin boots then 4 screws into a stud.
You sure can. What we have done too is just double sided foam tape, two runs, on the bottom track so we don't make holes in the floor. Cross brace with 4" to 6" flat stock to keep square and if you can brace to the deck above then tbar (suspended ceiling grid.) The walls just have to be 6" above the ceiling.
@@ConstructionKroniesIf it had to be low sound or sound proof, could I double up the studs and bridge them across the roof using bracing in between and just put sound proof drywall up? My ceilings are 18ft tall. My wife wants to learn drums.
Yes sorry for the late reply sometimes replies to replies get lost, RUclips needs a better way to tell us. For STC (sound rating) you can insulate, use 5/8" drywall, even go 2 layers of 5/8" both sides, use green glue (soundproofing glue) in between layers or resilient channel.
at what point would you introduce black iron through the ratholes? my foreman was explaining it to me the other day on a 12ft soffit we installed. at what height would you normally do this
To be honest with you, I'm not sure. The rod is usually bolted in before we start by the iron worker. If the soffit needs any structural reinforcement the specifications will surely tell you. We stiffen our soffit with channel and furring bar running along the inside and maybe wire or pencil rod we work on 4x4 max spacing at any elevation.
Great Video Man👍Hoping You Can Help Me With This Question What Are Framers Making Hourly I'm Currently In South Dakota I Was Thinking Of Going Out To Canada Thanks.
Depending on the province you can make up to $65 an hour as a journeyman in the union and non union pays $45. The piece work and subcontractor arena is more lucrative.
Great video quick question my plans say to extend the wall 6 inches above the ceiling why is that? Is it so you stop with the t bar and then do separate rooms or is it for soundproof or fireproof? Can you let me know? Thank you.
Great question, it's just a reference that your walls only have to be 6 inches above tbar and not all the way to the deck. So say tbar is at 9 foot you can use 10 foot studs for the walls, it doesn't have to be exact just a minimum of 6imches. Drywall too, technically your walls will be at 10' 1/2" so you can keep your drywall a 1/2" off the floor and use 10' sheets or cut your sheets to 9' 6" .
I don't believe it is code. What you need to know is if it is in the construction specifications either in the contract documents (drawings, specifications) or product details. They will tell you what type to use and where to use them. If it is not specified I would say use what you want. At the end of the day the drywall will hold it all together if your screws are in the right spot. I think it is industry best practice to at least screw 1 side in and crimp the backs, I know guys who crimp only the top back. If you can keep studs proper on center, and square go for it. We screw them in always so its faster to drywall and better to tape and so on. Its important to have square studs and screw the soft side in the bevel first. That way the sheets won't pop out and give your walls humps.
Very educational video. Fish tales, I've seen them done, I didn't know the exact name. You said something about offsetting your bevels? And also T bar and bulkheads. What exactly are you talking about. T bar like cold roll? Bulkheads like soffits?
Hope all is well with you, how do you put extra support in a ceiling that's 14' by 14'? Can you use a 16' piece of lumber and then attach your track to each side of that for extra support?
Hey Chris . Great teaching video. I like the video edit format with your narration. Please, You mentioned something about offsetting bevels in comercial. I am missing what you mean. Its around the 5 min mark in the video. I think. Anyway explain if you ever get time. Thanks. Good work.
Yes I think what your asking is about staggering where the sheets land on either side of the wall. you want to make sure the bevels (sheets) don't land on the same studs. For example: Side A we will start with a 16" strip then full sheet and Side B we start with a 32" pc so that the joints are staggered. Hope thats it bro!
Mostly in Edmonton, live in Terwilliger but I do jobs all over. Calgary, cold lake, Jasper. We were building mansions out of steel stud in Calgary last year.
@@ConstructionKronies I live in Calgary I’m 20 and looking for work I have 3 years experience It would be a great opportunity to be taken under your wing I would learn a lot from you I’ve been watching your videos since 17 and they helped me a lot
That's sick man. We have 2 jobs coming up in Drayton Valley here soon. Shoot me an email chris@constructionkronies.com let's keep in touch I'll shoot you my number.
Cheers man big help, I do more domestic work, small job's but I like to do it right, Your Channel is a Great Resource for the small Guy, thaks for taking the time to Reply 👍from 🇮🇪 🥃
Great information in this video. How long of a span can you do on a ceiling before you need to add a support to the concrete floor above? I have a 16’ x 10’ space. Using 1/2” drywall. 2 1/2” x 10ft stud. Would I need to support it?
Yes grab some furring bar, run 3 rows (rule is braces every 4x4sq area) equal distance apart and make sure to attach it to every stud on both sides of the furring bar (2 screws every stud) make sure it literally runs end to end screwed into the track either end and also screwed together, then shoot kickers up to the ceiling every 4' staggered on those runs. You should be able to hang off it with no movement.
They will be coming back bro I promise, work has been just so nuts I haven't had any time to program a new stream in obs. I'll be live at some point today from the studio. My apologies bro. I miss them a lot myself.
I appreciate the information, I've been watching BritishGrypsumUK vids the past few hours. I need to see what our suppliers here have. Those bulkheads in the restaurants hold big menus screens (tvs), millwork and so on that's why I beef them up. I need to catch up I know we have all kinds of new cool stuff. Man I don't know why we get different material these days, the boards in the UK look solid.
Ive done 3 houses with steel, we are working on one right now. Will be back on that job next week. They still aren't doing it right but if I was designing it I would do it like we do in commercial for sure. We talk about this a lot. I have tried to educate the builders on how to do it proper but they keep going back to panels and it doesn't work with panels. (Pre built 10x10 sections)
@@ConstructionKronies I'm on the t-bar right now fixing a f***** up ceiling. that was just built it was out of square diagonal measurement was 53"😂 As opposed to 52 and 1/4 " what a mess The boss wants it taken apart and reused ffs lol anyway stop giving away trade secrets .. It's almost like A green horn watched one of your videos and tried to build a t-bar ceiling😂 With that being said, mad skills fellas lathers Rock 💪....
@@shaneash1598 HAHA yeah man we have been seeing so much of this out there and is why I am trying to help. Mostly cheap labour is the reason for all the shit work. Canada right now is so bad we are literally driving the modern day slave trade with these unskilled cheap workers its very sad for everyone.
What is your ceiling attachment detail for the top track of the hulk head to the roof? You’re not screwing into the ceiling panels are you? Serious question, not a critiquing tone, just super curious
Yes we screw the top track to the q deck if it's hollow or shoot it with direct fastening tool like hilti or ramset if it's filled with concrete. The roof itself will start 3 to 6" above the top flute so you never have to worry about holes in it.
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This video is old and I know most of this by now but awesome video man. I hope some other apprentices find this video
I learned more from watching your video than I have learned from any foreman I have worked with before. I have been working construction for 5 years now and everytime I asked someone information about blue prints I would always get turned away. I've built all this before. After watching your video it finally clicked in my head. Thank you. I will pass this video on to my friends.
Exactly why I do this, I know how hard it is to get information out those guys. It's a better world when we pass on information and grow💪 right on man!
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That's one of my pet peeves. When are a journeyman or an apprentice. Not being involved in the drawings to see exactly what you're building. Vertical wall assembly, very important to know. I am a foreman for a union metal stud framing outfit in Alaska. I don't keep my team in the dark at all, in fact the opposite. I am also determined to sharper than I was the day before.
Alot of times they dont want you to know too much they dont want you getting better then them and they dont want you taking their job i found this to be the case alot. Ive forgot some of the stuff hes doing and have done tons myself im looking for assistant super or working foreman job I still enjoy work but years of framing and drywall got a double fused spine. I bought some books years ago they are great and even old bosses used to copy pages to share info with the newer guys Im gonna pull them back out now to get some refreshing out of those too. Get yours get the knowledge get the experience and get your money. Dont let know hold you down. There seems to be some good paying jobs out there today better then 25 years ago, and Im seeing alot of opportunities out there in the Trades and im bound to go get mine. Take care brothers and be safe. Sharp stuff, dont take a lift up without seeing where your wires are and dont stuff eachother in the face handing studs up. Out in front of eachother and communication. I got some slices and dices slipped on a wet roof doing Apple Store for the release of the Iphone. Almost went down on my neck luckily I only cut my forearm all the way across the bottom massive cut. Sliced a wrist one time as well. Take care.
You call yourself a PRO, but i call you are a MASTER. Definitely!!
Thank you good sir!!
Great video man, I learn so much from watching you, keep it going!
You bet! Thank you!
Nice. I wasn’t familiar with the commercial roofing construction. Thanks for the answer as well! I’m glad you were able to answer it.
You are welcome anytime!
Used to do Elevator shafts Ch studs and Shaftwall that was a trip too.
O ya that stuff is a pain.
Ya'll are very skilled! Good job.
You come a long long way!! Video are way better more informative. Yup I see 100k subscribers soon keep going keep going!!!! Been watching you since you had less then 500 subs
Lealoctavio I of course know you! Hope all is well and thanks for watching man I appreciate you!
Thanks for the great video. Is bracing required for a 9 foot 4 inch tall partition below a 15 foot ceiling? Can I just screw into the 9 foot 4 inch drop ceiling grid? The wall has joining walls so it’s locked in laterally. Thanks.
Good video
Do you have video showing how to read the plan and doing the layout?
Here is a Playlist for you, thanks! Construction Documents: ruclips.net/p/PLRtmYu3z-FENCbUvLNSNbYm-Onk9QlU7R
Do you use slotted track under q deck for bulkheads?
No, only on full walls from floor to deck. Use standard track for everything else.
Good job 👏🏼
Thank you!
If I have a freestanding metal stud room, which is four walls, how do I run the ceiling joist… The walls are only 8 feet and the ceiling is 10 feet so it’s not going to be up to the metal structure and the building ceiling.
You should run your walls higher or lower the ceiling that's the only way my friend!
Amazing job, a lot to learn. Thank you for great content 😄 👍
Thanks 🙏
Great video, and honestly as a DIY’er it really helps.
Question, I’m planning to add a room in my condo unit, as per the builder’s layout plan. The floor is all vinyl laminate. Should the floor be removed or can I install the steel tracks on top of it?
Thanks
Right on!! Yes for sure you can put the track right on top of the vinyl! Just beware, if you ever want to remove the vinyl it will be a hassle to cut the edges around the walls. Most of the time we just put a new 1/4" subfloor over the vinyl for hardwood or carpet. Its very challenging to remove vinyl, it takes a large machine to do it proper / quick.
@@ConstructionKronies thanks a lot. But just to be clear, the vinyl i'm referring to are the floating vinyl planks flooring. Not sure if you responded with the glued-on squared tiles in mind, which i totally agree, those are a pain in the neck to remove. So, would that be okay, or should I remove a section of vinyl planks and then install the tracks? Cheers!
O ya so that makes it easier even, I would put the track right on top. If later they want to remove the flooring you can use the flush cutter around the perimeter and remove the tiles.
On the soffit you can use angle instead of track already and run ur studs across eliminating the track and making it faster .
yes bro, angle and furring bar yes, i like that better we just keep it simple with the order for the guys and order all 3 an 5
@@ConstructionKronies not a bad idea . Great videos man very informative not many people take the time to show what there doing .
Where to used tracks? Is it only on ground and top?
Pretty much, the STD track can be used for headers, box beams and, for penetrations. Slott is only for under structure top track for deflection and fire rating.
You should do a video on how to do coner beads
Will do 👍
Would this ceiling be strong enough to use as a loft space you can walk on and use as storage?
I would use a heavier gauge like 20 and add plywood for walking on
Hi, what's your annotation software?
I use Adobe Acrobat for everything now. I used to use Nitro PDF before I started editing video but having the creative Cloud apps Acrobat Pro is included and really great stuff. nitro has more estimating tools tho.
Hi, what gauge steel is recommended for residential ceilings?
25 gauge, you can use 3-5/8", 6" studs and track or 25 gauge furring bar and angle depending on your clearance.
Thank u so much, cud u do a video on hanging prehung doors using metal studs, nobody has one on yt.
I'd like to join the next live broadcast, so can you do it in our hourly time?
I should pick a time and do everyday at that time. On our way to Jasper tomorrow morning I heard that site is going to be nuts but I will think about the time on the way up and be sure to let everyone know!
Do you use 4" stud for the ceilings or 6" what span can you go with 5/8" sheet?
Mostly 3-5/8 if nothing goes on top. Go bigger both stud width and drywall, maybe add 3/4" ply if you plan to put anything heavy on it. You can really go as big as you want, brace it proper, run furring bar on top with hanger wires to eyelegs in the ceiling, they have for steel self drilling and concrete you can shoot them in with a Hilti. Like tbar but for drywall ceilings. Hope this makes sense.
Do you use deflection track on top full length walls making studs 1 inch short and letting them float. No stud screws at top of wall
Yes, every wall that goes u\s structure has to have slot track. We cut the stud anywhere from 3/4" to 1" shorter and we put the screws just below the half way of the slot. You can also take them out.
Hi, I just discovered your channel, amazing stuff.
I need to do a round framing platform of sorts 72” on the ceiling above a round table. What would you suggest is the best way to go about it?
Thanks?
You can get track that bends now. Draw the circle on the floor even if its a finished floor just tape down some hard board and draw on that. Then make the top and bottom track, forming it to that circle. Then laser up with a couple pin lasers 2 opposite edges to install the top track. Set a line laser to elevation and check your stud lengths, cut them, install a few to get the bottom track on (still checking with the pin lasers that it lines up with the top. After that just finish studding it out and then wrap with 1/4" or 1/2" drywall.
Hello! I find your videos very interesting, and I'm learning a lot from them. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Could you recommend any free software for metal stud framing design? I'm eager to learn how to design a small house with a metal frame using software. Thanks for your help!
Outside of AutoCad, sketch up, revit i don't know much for the designing end. I usually just sketch it up on graph paper myself, I freehand with a drawing tablet in Adobe software.
Where you are in canada????? O where ????
Edmonton Alberta!
So the corrugated metal roof decking you chose to “shoot” into instead of a self tapping screw was sufficient support for top track, is it common to be able to make protrusions into the roof decking? I have to frame some walls in a commercial application and I’m more of a residential contractor, Thanks!
Yes, so it's actually not corrugated roofing panels, it's qdeck. On top of the deck there will be another 8" at least of material before the gravel or sbs. Only shoot to qdeck when it is full of concrete. We use heavy gauge framing screws to screw the track to it. Hope that helps my man!
@@ConstructionKroniesso you use screws to secure top track to qdeck. Is there a specific nailing to screwing pattern? Thanks.
Is that the metal roof that the top track is screwed into asking for a friend 😅
No we wouldn't screw to a metal roof, what that is -- is metal decking we call qdeck it goes below the roof or is used between floors. Sometimes filled with concrete if between floors. When it's on the roof the next layer will be roof board, rigid insulation and so on depending on if it's sbs, modified or metal standing seam. It's I think 18 gauge usually so use heavy gauge self taping screws.
Good work!
Thank you..the carrying channel never came with the delivery. I think these guys cheap out honestly. I always order it and it makes drywall so much easier, just sometimes it doesn't come. I will be putting it in eventually I have extra on another job. Cheers !
@@ConstructionKronies tell the inspector that.. haha
Yeah you know, they never inspect our framing only the insulation and fire rating. Do they have it in the code where you are?
Yes over in Toronto it’s a must every 4’, overlapped and screwed together depending if it’s a fire rated or sound brier.
Sometimes they ask for bridging clips..depending on the engineer.
What it the maximum height you can frame using a single stud? I have a bay with a 25-foot ceiling, and the longest studs I could find are 20 ft. I wonder how can I frame that.
Just call the local steel stud drywall supplier like Foundation Building Material and order custom length. I've used studs that are 40' long, I've had studs rolled to size right on site with portable machines if they can't fit on the truck. 25' is a very standard length you won't have any problem. Just google drywall supplier in your area and call a couple for pricing.
@@ConstructionKronies thank you! I think it will be safer to frame floor to mezzanine and then from mezzanine to the shop ceiling.
Great informative video, thank you for sharing. How do you go about connecting the tracks to the sheet roof?
We will use self taping framing screws, wafer heads to the qdeck, and we use clips if the track lands in between them, use self tapers to attach the clips and then we can use regular framing screws to fasten to to clip (for light gauge steel). If it's concrete or structural steel we use the Hilti BX3.
ok nice to watch your videos ..nice work..i am a licensed carpenter but no experience with this stuff but i now am working on a 60 unit building and have put in a bunch of drop ceilings using hat track and shinny 90 they call it all put together with half inch kelly screws ....but now they want me to build bulk heads in each living room to hide air pipes and dryer vents using hat track and l brackets AKA shinny 90 any advice on hat track spacing and screw length or just any advice would be very very very much appreciated...thanks
Yes my man, use the #8x1/2" wafer screws for metal to metal and the 1-1/4 drywall screws putting the angle to drywall. I always go 16" o.c. for ceilings and bulkheads never 2'. Hope that's helps. My apologies it took so long to get back to you. I just got back from an out of town job was beat.
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how much cost this work ?
Probably between $7,000 to $8,000 for labour plus material. Shouldn't cost more than $20,000 for all the framing, insulation, drywall, taping and tbar
@ConstructionKronies thanks for answering me, I will contact you for deeper information.
Any considerations when framing walls for a walk in shower?
Use 20 gauge studs and blue mold resistant board! Wrap it with detra as well before tile.
@@ConstructionKronies thank you! Been twenty years since I did metal framing with my dad (was twelve= nearly zero help). Lots of detail I hadn’t considered.
@@ConstructionKronies Follow up question....do you recommend 20eq studs or actual 20 gauge?
@@rileyjenk 20 gauge studs, they are my favorite gauge. Super strong and efficient!
What methods are available in attaching/connecting pre-sheathed 8'w x 10't steel stud walls, vertically from 1st floor to 2nd floor & 2nd floor to 3rd floor ? Sheer cassettes are already built into our wall panels.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of this method, panels are a real pain in the butt. However, after the panel is in place we just drill 1/4" to 3/4" bolts or rod into the concrete and fasten down nut and washer. 9/16" to 3/4" #8 or #10 hex self tapers for the top if steel or just hammer drill if concrete like the bottom. If it's suspended outside like curtain wall you need to pre-install clips with hitting shots or pin boots then 4 screws into a stud.
can you use metal studs to build temporary office pods without fixing the studs to the wall for support? It would be a square box about 10x12.
You sure can. What we have done too is just double sided foam tape, two runs, on the bottom track so we don't make holes in the floor. Cross brace with 4" to 6" flat stock to keep square and if you can brace to the deck above then tbar (suspended ceiling grid.) The walls just have to be 6" above the ceiling.
@@ConstructionKroniesIf it had to be low sound or sound proof, could I double up the studs and bridge them across the roof using bracing in between and just put sound proof drywall up?
My ceilings are 18ft tall.
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Yes sorry for the late reply sometimes replies to replies get lost, RUclips needs a better way to tell us. For STC (sound rating) you can insulate, use 5/8" drywall, even go 2 layers of 5/8" both sides, use green glue (soundproofing glue) in between layers or resilient channel.
at what point would you introduce black iron through the ratholes? my foreman was explaining it to me the other day on a 12ft soffit we installed. at what height would you normally do this
To be honest with you, I'm not sure. The rod is usually bolted in before we start by the iron worker. If the soffit needs any structural reinforcement the specifications will surely tell you. We stiffen our soffit with channel and furring bar running along the inside and maybe wire or pencil rod we work on 4x4 max spacing at any elevation.
Can 25g studs hold double 5/8s drywall to help with sound? Span is less than 10’. Can also use a bracket at the middle of span into floor joist.
Yes for sure 25g will hold double 5/8". I just wouldn't go less than 3-5/8".
Great Video Man👍Hoping You Can Help Me With This Question What Are Framers Making Hourly I'm Currently In South Dakota I Was Thinking Of Going Out To Canada Thanks.
Depending on the province you can make up to $65 an hour as a journeyman in the union and non union pays $45. The piece work and subcontractor arena is more lucrative.
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Do you ever just use 90 90 n just hand shake everything instead of of using bottm track
Sure, sometimes we do it all with angle and furring bar, carrying channel 👍
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Great video quick question my plans say to extend the wall 6 inches above the ceiling why is that? Is it so you stop with the t bar and then do separate rooms or is it for soundproof or fireproof? Can you let me know? Thank you.
Great question, it's just a reference that your walls only have to be 6 inches above tbar and not all the way to the deck. So say tbar is at 9 foot you can use 10 foot studs for the walls, it doesn't have to be exact just a minimum of 6imches. Drywall too, technically your walls will be at 10' 1/2" so you can keep your drywall a 1/2" off the floor and use 10' sheets or cut your sheets to 9' 6" .
By code can you use it Stud Crimper or you need to use only screws?
I don't believe it is code. What you need to know is if it is in the construction specifications either in the contract documents (drawings, specifications) or product details. They will tell you what type to use and where to use them. If it is not specified I would say use what you want. At the end of the day the drywall will hold it all together if your screws are in the right spot. I think it is industry best practice to at least screw 1 side in and crimp the backs, I know guys who crimp only the top back. If you can keep studs proper on center, and square go for it. We screw them in always so its faster to drywall and better to tape and so on. Its important to have square studs and screw the soft side in the bevel first. That way the sheets won't pop out and give your walls humps.
Very educational video. Fish tales, I've seen them done, I didn't know the exact name. You said something about offsetting your bevels? And also T bar and bulkheads. What exactly are you talking about. T bar like cold roll? Bulkheads like soffits?
Hope all is well with you, how do you put extra support in a ceiling that's 14' by 14'? Can you use a 16' piece of lumber and then attach your track to each side of that for extra support?
Use hanger wire. You can wrap it around a joist or use eyelegs.
Great job how I can contact you
chris@constructionkronies.com
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Hey Chris . Great teaching video. I like the video edit format with your narration. Please,
You mentioned something about offsetting bevels in comercial. I am missing what you mean. Its around the 5 min mark in the video. I think. Anyway explain if you ever get time. Thanks. Good work.
Yes I think what your asking is about staggering where the sheets land on either side of the wall. you want to make sure the bevels (sheets) don't land on the same studs. For example: Side A we will start with a 16" strip then full sheet and Side B we start with a 32" pc so that the joints are staggered. Hope thats it bro!
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Teaching video where teachers talk about how good they are lol.
Your missing the point, I try to tell people how long it takes so they know how long it takes.
Do you work in Calgary?
Mostly in Edmonton, live in Terwilliger but I do jobs all over. Calgary, cold lake, Jasper. We were building mansions out of steel stud in Calgary last year.
@@ConstructionKronies I live in Calgary I’m 20 and looking for work I have 3 years experience It would be a great opportunity to be taken under your wing I would learn a lot from you I’ve been watching your videos since 17 and they helped me a lot
That's sick man. We have 2 jobs coming up in Drayton Valley here soon. Shoot me an email chris@constructionkronies.com let's keep in touch I'll shoot you my number.
Apologies for stupid ? What's a T Bar, joint/taper from 🇮🇪 looking to learn about metal studding, Great Videos on Your Channel 👍
So cool! Tbar is what we call suspended ceiling grid, acoustic ceiling grid, 2x2 or 2x4 grid! Does that make sense?
Cheers man big help, I do more domestic work, small job's but I like to do it right, Your Channel is a Great Resource for the small Guy, thaks for taking the time to Reply 👍from 🇮🇪 🥃
What gage are your metal studs?
On this job it was 25 gauge.
Great information in this video. How long of a span can you do on a ceiling before you need to add a support to the concrete floor above? I have a 16’ x 10’ space. Using 1/2” drywall. 2 1/2” x 10ft stud. Would I need to support it?
Yes grab some furring bar, run 3 rows (rule is braces every 4x4sq area) equal distance apart and make sure to attach it to every stud on both sides of the furring bar (2 screws every stud) make sure it literally runs end to end screwed into the track either end and also screwed together, then shoot kickers up to the ceiling every 4' staggered on those runs. You should be able to hang off it with no movement.
What about cold row ?
Do you mean wall channel? Every 4' it goes we just didn't have it on site but I will put it in before drywall.
@Construction Kronies very nice
What happened to the Sunday morning lives?
They will be coming back bro I promise, work has been just so nuts I haven't had any time to program a new stream in obs. I'll be live at some point today from the studio. My apologies bro. I miss them a lot myself.
HOW MANY LINE FEET FOR FRAMING SOFFIT TYPE L ON 8 HR YOU THINK ITS GOOD FOR ONE GUY
That could depend on many factors, but if you can complete 10 feet an hour, you are doing well.
Great job. Seems a bit overkill , thats alot of metal going in the ceiling. Check out Gypline mf ceiling
I appreciate the information, I've been watching BritishGrypsumUK vids the past few hours. I need to see what our suppliers here have. Those bulkheads in the restaurants hold big menus screens (tvs), millwork and so on that's why I beef them up. I need to catch up I know we have all kinds of new cool stuff. Man I don't know why we get different material these days, the boards in the UK look solid.
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why can't we build houses like this?!
Ive done 3 houses with steel, we are working on one right now. Will be back on that job next week. They still aren't doing it right but if I was designing it I would do it like we do in commercial for sure. We talk about this a lot. I have tried to educate the builders on how to do it proper but they keep going back to panels and it doesn't work with panels. (Pre built 10x10 sections)
Doesn’t look simple. Lol. But good job. 😎👍🏼
Cheers my man!
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@@ConstructionKronies I'm on the t-bar right now fixing a f***** up ceiling. that was just built it was out of square diagonal measurement was 53"😂 As opposed to 52 and 1/4 " what a mess The boss wants it taken apart and reused ffs lol anyway stop giving away trade secrets .. It's almost like A green horn watched one of your videos and tried to build a t-bar ceiling😂 With that being said, mad skills fellas lathers Rock 💪....
@@shaneash1598 HAHA yeah man we have been seeing so much of this out there and is why I am trying to help. Mostly cheap labour is the reason for all the shit work. Canada right now is so bad we are literally driving the modern day slave trade with these unskilled cheap workers its very sad for everyone.
@@ConstructionKronies yes indeed cheers.
Where are the carrying channels! Lol
You should do a video on how to do coner beads
What is your ceiling attachment detail for the top track of the hulk head to the roof? You’re not screwing into the ceiling panels are you?
Serious question, not a critiquing tone, just super curious
Yes we screw the top track to the q deck if it's hollow or shoot it with direct fastening tool like hilti or ramset if it's filled with concrete. The roof itself will start 3 to 6" above the top flute so you never have to worry about holes in it.