BMW E70 X5M SUPER SUV 0-100kmh 0-62mph: It BROKE the RULEBOOK
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- Опубликовано: 13 янв 2021
- BMW E70 X5M SUPER SUV 0-100kmh 0-62mph: It BROKE the RULEBOOK
I had to make a quick trip to see Clint before the serious mods start on the x5m. We know this is going to end up pretty crazy and i really wanted to experience it in stock form. I genuinely can't believe how good this is to drive and how well it hides its size.
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The blue X5M is the successor to the 4.6is.
My wife daily drives one of these, and we absolutely love it. It's so silly. The shifts are absolutely brutal!
Congrats man!!! What an awesome share car to have hehe
[a] How does it hide its weight? Active Roll Stability (or ARS) - also known as Dynamic Drive - uses hydraulic (electromechanical) sway bars (at each axle) to essentially eliminate all body roll. In essence, it helps to maintain a flat ride, without any of the downsides of statically stiff sway roll bars. This also provides exceptionally crisp steering response and nearly flawless turn-in. The system also dials in a neutral handling attitude, in real time, mid-corner. Interestingly, it was also available in the E60 Non-M vehicles (with the Sport package), but not the E60 M5 (it was also available in the E6x 7 series of the same vintage). As such, some argue that the E60 535i Sport (for example) has superior handling characteristics to the E60 M5. Why BMW M chose to leverage this technology in its M SUVs and not its M sedans/coupes is not entirely understood. (Note: Porsche makes similar technology available as an option, in the form of Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control or PDCC, in the Cayenne, Panamera, and 911).
[b] It is true that the ZF 6HP in the E70 X5M is identical to the ones found in the standard X5. The difference is in the calibration of the shift maps/tables (of which the TCU has thousands), in conjunction with the fuel cut and torque reduction calibrated in the DME maps. Many do not know that the ZF 6HP was designed and co-developed by BMW and ZF to compete with dual-clutch transmissions in terms of shift speed, response, feel, and comfort (depending on mode), and efficiency. It is capable of sub-80 millisecond shifts and features clutch-to-clutch shifts; that is, the torque converter is completely offline between shifts (and is typically only used to get smoothly launch the car from a stop). It also sports a launch control program, which allows first gear slip, in tandem with finely controlled torque converter slip/lock-up. When the E70 X5M was originally test driven by automotive journalists, many compared the transmission to dual-clutch gearboxes; and some even mistakenly believed it was equipped with a dual-clutch transmission. It's that good. Further, ZF used the 6HP as the shift speed benchmark when designing the 8HP transmission, noting how the 6HP already had achieved the shift speed potential of a dual-clutch transmission. BMW purposely softened the transmission's characteristics in non-M vehicles, as they are positioned toward more laid back, and occasionally sporty, driving. However, the full potential of any (2nd generation) 6HP is just a flash away. Unfortunately, not even xHP Flashtool has achieved what BMW's M division was able to (with the X5M and X6M); this would require further development of their shift maps - a tall order. Technically speaking, in terms of pure potential (and not individual vehicle calibration), the 8HP's shift speed is no different than that of the 2nd-gen 6HP. It all comes down to the calibration (as earlier noted). Another little known fact - ZF is who Porsche has partnered with to build their PDK dual-clutch transmissions. And, ZF asserts that the 2nd-gen 6HP and 8HP have the same shift speed potential as the PDK. The 2nd-gen 6HP was considered a quantum leap in automatic transmission development, by engineers and automotive journalists the world over. There is no longer any aspect of dual-clutch transmissions that holds a performance advantage over ZFs latest automatic transmissions (the ZF automatics now even weigh less than the equivalent DCT, at the same torque holding capacity). Yes, high-performance vehicles still feature DCTs today mostly to appeal to the residual (and, actually outdated) cachet that those in the market for high-performance vehicles associates with DCTs, but not necessary due to any real performance advantage. The one exception is with mid-engine/rear-engine vehicles; where a DCT's shorter overall length is generally the only option.
So, any time you encounter a 2nd-gen 6HP or 8HP with less than stellar shifts, it was intentionally calibrated that way and is unrelated to the potential of the actual hardware/software.
Thank yo for all the awesome info. Really apprecaite it.
I owned both E60 550iA with Dynamic Drive and E63 M6 (and drove E60 M5 many times) and although DD helps a lot compared to non-DD equipped equivalent car, it's nowhere near as good handling system as an M EDC suspension of the same model year. Besides, DD is prone to leaks and costly failures. Biggest trans problem of the E70 X5 M is not the 6HP gearbox itsef, but the xdrive drivetrain components. And of course the engine - first gen S63 not even the TU version of the F10 M5, this is a powertrain that has so many inherent design and individual component flaws (similar to the N63) it is now notorious. As a new car with warranty E70 X5 M might have been impressive - now it is just a rapidly depreciating money pit IMHO.
"Be really good to pick up a cheap damaged one at auction"
*FLOORS IT* 😂
I complemented a total stranger on his red X5M one day down the street and he just chucked me the keys and said "you want a drive?" and yes it was crazy fast!
How fun are they? Awesome he was nice enough to share.
Really like these and on a colder day without a passenger mid 4 seconds I reckon 🚀
Well done! Been looking forward to this one.
Man that is far king quick 😁
Wish my 3.0d was half as quick😂
Went from 6.7 sec 0-100, to 5.07 0-100 🤯
One seriously fast and 4x4 SUV 😍
I think the dragy was having issues with gps and the windscreen. Should have mentioned that in the video
@@ZeroTo60Tube still seriously fast, considering how much it weighs,
I'm sure it can do 4's, 😉
@@Saif0412 Can definitely do 4's. It was tested several times by reputable sources at exactly 4.0 for 0-60 when it first came out.
YES!! These vehicles are amazing! Not just a big car with a performance engine. The way it feels, handles, sounds... EVERYTHING feels great! They are setup perfectly. Soo easy to overtake. I've had two of these. And I am now getting the X6M and I don't ever want to sell it. The only downside is they suck gas like crazy!!! I'm thinking of getting my X6 tuned. Where is the new video after tune please. I would like to see comparison. Thank you
Damn, that is impressive! Can't wait to see it after a few mods/tune.
Yeah it think is gonna be low 4’s which wild.
Love the x5m
Great review. I’ve just bought a stock one of these and am really interested to see how the DPs and tune work out (I’m in Brisbane too). Just spent the first month of ownership replacing broken engine bay cowlings and the emf module - all common issues I understand.
I remember when I picked up my FG 2010 XR6 Turbo ute with the zf 6 speed, and my uncle purchased one of these new. We lined them up over and over and it was either him or me by a bumper each time. Pretty impressive for a big heavy SUV.
Awesome! Can't wait to watch this in full
Us too!
Haha, wow that's quick for such a big car.
Keep up the good work
Love mine , I'm actually in the process of fitting down pipes. Then ill get a tune for it. Im also looking to get the tune on gearbox to have the option to go rear wheel drive or awd..
Ballistic. Great value do everything car!
Yeah, it really blew my mind. I didn’t expect it to feel that nimble. Maybe have even slid a round a bout 😜
I reckon in manual mode and let it review higher in second it'll go sub 5 to 100, the gear change is right before 100kms
Wasn't a fan when these were new, but now that every other car is an SUV it's grown on me. It's aged well and that's a lovely colour!
What a beast.. sounds boss as fellas
Thanks man.
That thing is sick!!!
Sure is, its strange, off camera i called it a "little rocketship" then remembered its a massive x5. Such a fun car that hides its mass so so well. One day!! Thanks for becoming a member and helping us do this, its really appreciated.
I'm curious what the downpipe will bring. It's going to sound insane!
I love my e70 X5M, it's the original beast. It picks up speed so quickly but never makes you feel like you're travelling fast, if there were no other traffic on the road you wouldn't even know how fast you're going.
If you're looking for a little extra noise, take out the central resonators first, sounds awesome and not as intrusive as downpipes.
Looking forward to seeing what this turns in to !!!
How do I do that :)
Take the resgnators out
@@MotoXdreamz they need to be cut out and replaced with a bit of pipe. I had mine welded in by an exhaust guy.
@@RichsRidesany lights come up ?
@@MotoXdreamz nope, it's after the cats so no impact to emissions. If I were to do it again I think I'd actually replace the central resonators with an x-pipe to give it more tone!
Crazy times for such a big car. Not far off of E92 M3 territory. Are you blokes taking in viewer cars to test times with now? I might have an E430 Merc that you could have a go at depending on how a deal goes down.
We always wanted to test other cars but it’s always a last minute thing when we do them. We will hopefully start trying to maybe do a couple a month. Times always the killer.
I like to see the times on this tuned cause I have a 2011 porches cayenne turbo tuned with downpipes and I'm doing 4.03 0-100km/h on dragy with abit of wheel spin im considering selling and buying a x6m or x5m like this one the porches cayenne turbo 2011 has a terrible gearbox gears shift so slow and if I brake boost it at 3000rpm won't change gears from 1st to 2nd
Hmmm that’s pretty good time to try aim for with mods on this. Love the cayennes, congrats on having a wicked car.
I’ve been wanting to get a 2013 x5m, I currently have a 2013 x5 xdrive35i, I’ve put a Megan exhaust, and a garret turbo on it making good power, but I don’t wanna put anymore into because I rather get a actuall x5m, got a buddy with one and just a tune he does 0-60 4 seconds absolutely crazy
The x5m is such a serious car. I do think the F15 with the 8hp has a bit more potencial. But even these e70s are wild for a SUV
If your in California, I’d love for you to drive my 2012 X5M. Stage 2 AA tune, Catback exhaust, XHP stage 3 shifts like a DCT.
Hey Manuel, where are you based.
@@lancerr7608 SF
Awd is the way to go, even my ‘15 x135i puts down 0-60 in 5.2 stock. Any chance you guys will get an awd?
Well the awd only comes in the suv down here apart from the g series cars.
@@ZeroTo60Tube wow I didn’t know that, makes sense but awd is nice, even for dry climates.
When are we going to see more of the x5m or one for the channel 🔥🚀
Unfortunately Clint has been trying to chase down an intermittent missfire for some time now. But it will be back.
soo grateful i own 1. hehe
That's the M throttle mapping responsiveness, not gearbox. Can be done on 335i too with custom tune
I’ll believe that when I see it.....
Any videos regarding this?
I do like these but as a N54 owner I am worried about reliability before jumping into one of these. I think they might be more than the s65 to maintain but I could be wrong
I think that is justified tbh. These will have all the issues the N54 had
@@ZeroTo60Tube I have both the S65 and the S63 (m3/x5m). The S65 is the one to worry about. The S63 has proven to be quite reliable. That said, everything is super expensive to fix on these vehicles.
@@xxxxxxxxxxxx_xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx do you burn oil?
@@treedeblue No both cars are good, although I just had to repair an oil leak.
the 0-100 is faster cuz theres 2 people in the car. and i think mdm puts traction control on a little like the e92 m3.
Where's the second video ? did it break down before he had a chance to tune it ? 🤣🤣 I'm currently rebuilding the engine on mine and you're welcome to come down to Sydney for a lap and record it when the car is back together.
It developed misfires not long after vid, drove fine till boost and about 6 months on the turbos blew. It will be back.
@@ZeroTo60Tube is it back yet and how much were the cost
Slacking off with 335i content!
Unfortunately only about 150 335 videos on the channel already haha
@@ZeroTo60Tube Dam they must have a lot of things to fix and upgrade!
Clint do burn oil with this X5M?
He ended up having a few issues with it tbh. Missfires and then a turbo failed. Which has been quite costly. Hopefully be back on the road soon.
For regular owners of this vehicle, I would say I typically have to add a half quart every 5k. You can tell by the way this review was done that this motor has been driven hard! Mine has 115k and the motor, turbos and everything still feel great. That being said, I do not drive it like I do my e90 M3. It is supposed to be an SUV with sports car tendency, not a sports car in an SUV body lol.
“Shouldn’t be able to drive it like this” probably means you shouldn’t… 🤷🏻♂️
I know I really shouldn't, but it's so tempting to get one of these. I'm sure it would be the biggest financial mistake I've ever made, but I'm not sure I can stop myself. Such a sweet sleeper.
They are an amazing car. Unfortunately this one has been off the road for about 8 months. It blew both turbos.
I’ve owned mine for 3 years now, granted I don’t beat the shit out of it! It has been a dream, Only issues I had was leaking air bags in the rear and a cracked coolant reservoir tank. I live in Texas, so very hot and not ideal for a twin turbo V8. We’re up to 115k now and still loving the car!
Awesome Full sleeper if you didn't look at the badge
Awesomely fun car. That’s got sure
I usually find SUVs quite boring, but when they're animals like this I can see the appeal!
Owned a modded one for a few years, never again lol
Why?
What were the issues you had? Would love to know before I find out myself the hard way 😂
@@Zsword92 The engine is terribly unreliable, and BMW didnt fix it too well for many next year models, both for 550i f10 as well as E70.
Why does his Speedo say 300kmh but when I’m looking to buy one they only top out at 260kmh
Are you looking at genuine x5m v8 turbo models?
@@ZeroTo60Tube the answer is…. No he is not LOL
Just got a 2011 I’m in love to say the absolute least ❤😂
Hi Guys,
the "M" badge was on earlier E53's (from 04 facelift I think, my E53 3.0D has this badge from factory) and only denotes an "sports" interior options setup per my BMW documents, major one being a different display layout. This badge looks like an old E53 one someone has stuck on, because I have not yet seen any original E70 with these badges fitted from factory (but happy to be corrected on this). You need to get the 2010 E70 LCI update to get the 8 speed box. This had extra options like HUD and electric tailgate and expensive fancy suspension available. If this is a real M car, it should have the 4.4 twin turbo S63 V8. The 0 to 97Kmh on that is quoted as 4.0 seconds.
It's definately an X5M, that's the sounds the 4.4 makes :) I think the factory 0-60mph is 4.7 seconds so they got pretty close while being 2 up.
You are correct Rich.
Yes, this x5m has the hud, electric tailgate, dynamic suspension etc. it’s a factory x5m.
Be careful, its a bmw, you may break it lol
So un reliable, not worth it