How Creep and Tower Aggro Works - Dota 2 Fundamentals (Episode 7)
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How Creep and Tower Aggro Works - Basic Fundamentals of Dota 2 (Episode 7) 
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Valve should pay you to make a begginner series, honestly. Getting used to the basic mechanics is the biggest learning gap for new dota players. But they enter the game worrying about hero selection, itemazation, countering other heroes, etc etc etc, and shit gets too overwhelming, so they quit. And not everyone wants to get on youtube and learn about a new game. These videos are pure golden.
They don't need to pay him anything, because he is already doing it for them for free lol. Their whole system revolves around community making free content, that they gonna sell for probably thousands if not millions of dollars later.
This is exaclty my case. I needed to spend already 3-4h watching videos to understand basics and I feel I don't know a shit yet. I'm being patient about it. Just started this week
2k+ hours in and FINALLY I understand creep aggro...
6,6k hours in and FINALLY I started using it. Sometimes. Aside from the aggro cooldown trick, been using it to harass much longer
Granted, I've mostly been playing support, but still, at 5-6k there are people who are helpless against creep aggro tricks
@@em_the_bee #facepalm if you have not noticed at 6,6k hours...
@@daarksideyt 6.6k hrs does not simply goes into 1 hero. Therefore i expect veno to understand things beyond his character.
just New he would never change . his lost🎉
aren’t you the brightest of the bunch
Honorable mention.
Skills dont attract aggro
And some skills are an enhacement to your right clicks. e.g frost arrow. Burning spear. Fire arrow. Etc...
As long as you use those by casting them with their hotkey. And not right clicking with modifier on.
Creeps and towers will ignore you no matter how bad youre abusing their hero.
Its the right click itself that draws aggro.
If you will be casting right clicks instead you get to harras without taking damage from creeps or towers.
Aggro Range is 500 if you are not in aggro range then tower/creep will not attack you
If there more than one unit in aggro range then they will attack a target based on the following:
1.If the target attacks an allied unit or them. If the both units are attacking then they will choose to attack the closest one.
2. If no one is attacking then they will aggro the closest unit
3. But if you issue an attack command on enemy hero and then the sensor is triggered and if you are in 500 range then creep will start to chase and attack you and they will chase you for 2.5 seconds after that they will reset and follow above 2 steps and this sensor has a cooldown of 3 seconds and so if you issue a attack command on enemy hero and you weren't in 500 range then you cant aggro the creeps also hitting your own creeps resets the aggro
4. Towers range is 700 and it's aggro range is 500 and it same rules as creeps
BSJ makes learning and playing dota so much fun! Thank you Bee Jay.
Haven't posted a youtube comment in forever, but this is amazing content. Almost feels like a 1 on 1 coaching session where everytime i have a question it just gets answered a few seconds later. Lots of great information presented in a concise manner and chunked appropriately. Thanks!
that is a sign of greater teacher - :)
Just want to tell you that its all thanks to you that i could learn dota 2 so well and didnt lose interest in the game. This particular playlist is a gem that i always share to my friends who are new and want to learn and there is no other guide videos in all of youtube which teaches dota basics this well.
As a DotA player of many years, this video was ultra helpful! Always learning new things because of your BSJ!
Imagine if every human being walking on this planet had the mentality of this youtuber. We would be terraforming the whole solar system by now.
I have watched all the videos in this playlist. It’s really good BSJ. I’m have 300MMR and more than 1000 hours of dota and still I didn’t know half of what you explained. Super helpful
been playing doto 5+ years and i just know about that 3 sec aggro delay, holy shiet.
so thats why sometimes creeps doesnt attack hero even thoo they punch attack me in the face
OMG, that was soooo helpful with these 3 seconds, I played this game so much and didn't know, thank you for doing this!!
I wanna thank you for this series, as an experienced MOBA player new to DotA this covered a lot of questions as to why I have had such trouble laning in DotA compared to other MOBAs!
BROOOOOO blew my mind when i put together what you were building up to, that you could use the "draw aggro" function to actually pull minions closer to you. I play mostly melee heroes and this is a laning game-changer dude. Hoooooly smoooookes
This is a really good breakdown, great job man!
The way you describe this is so good, never knew 3 seconds, now its time to apply.
Amazes me how much I learn when I watch these videos, despite playing over 4000 hours. Thanks bsj!
BSJ, love your content. Thank you for taking the time and effort.
My 3rd attempt at trying to learn dota in 4 years, and this has been the best run. Found your series, found a couple of friends, and now I am committed to learning Dota. The level of detail you go into is absolutely fantasimal.
I have only been spamming a few heros (Axe, Lion, Witch Doc), and my biggest fear is: What item should I make next? What can this enemy (or ally) hero do?
Let alone, What item should I make for/against this hero, situational items, etc. I expect you'll make a video to help us with that. :)
Also, I had a question: As a rookie, should I play mid lane, or should I leave it to someone who knows what they are doing? Thanks.
Goooooooood shit banana, today's new players are lucky af
i can confirm that stomping my herald pubs with pos 1 getting mvp all the time with 2 times above average and 400+ creeps love u bsj
@@dennisfot9153 good luck on the grind, you'll plateau hard at some point just be patient and keep learning
hehe yeah Im just 10 hours away from playing ranked games and Im grateful I learned this. I always am confused when I watch my brothers do aggro but now I get it. Thanks BSJ!!!!!!!!!
Got close to 5000 hours in Dota but I still learn new things every week watching BSJ videos! Always great content!
You're so good at explaining things, thank you!!
18:15 this trick blew me away poggers
Thank you for the thorough explanation! :D
Finally, thanks for breaking this down!
Wow. Your videos really helped me climb MMR. When i came back February 2022 my MMR is only 2350, now its September 15 2022 my MMR is 4810. I spend my free time watching you videos from "Educational Smurf" to these kind of video. I am very thankful.
Thanks man. Your videos are very helpful!
7k+ hours. Finally understood this thing. Thank u B-Coach.
I just realized BSJ looks like Anthony from Smosh.
BSJ has looks that range from ashton kutcher to baby driver to many other things. 😂😂
What are you saying that he looks like baby driver? He is the baby driver!
Finally, someone said it
Nah, BSJ way more handsome
Check out "path of matth" path of exile streamer... Even the way they speak about the game is almost same both are so educational in youtube
i've been playing dota for 9 years. i learned alot. ty
watching your other videos i knew what creep agrro is and 3sec cooldown... i never knew the cooldown go trigger even when creeps are not in agrro range.... huge relief... i used to wonder why my creep agrro not working .... now i know.
New bsj video helllllll yeah
Fantastic lesson, also for supports not wanting to disrupt their carry‘s lane!
I've been playing on and off since Dota 1 and this was an unknown unknown. Something I didn't know I didn't know!
Thanks for your work!
Thanks for amazing content 🎉
Divine 5 support player. Never knew about the 3 second CD thing. Thanks
You are amazing BSJ, I've been in and out of Dota 2 for years, finally able to understand the power gap and what to learn is refreshing as fuk. Better then just being yelled at, "JUST DO IT! AND THAT! AND RUN THERE!! AND WHY DIDN'T YOU TPPPPP!!?!!!" haha.
keep up the great work and wishing you the best*
Nice vid BSJ
I knew all this from experience but this is the first time I've heard it in words hahha
Very good video! Thx
I needed this so bad
Very helpful Coach B
Waiting for episode 8, nice content!
WOW! You are a great great great teacher, ufff If would of known before hahaha I always say that thnx man Bravo! Best tutorial ever!!!!
HEY EVERY BODY WE ALL SHOULD PATRONICE THIS GUY!!!!
Bsj may I ask you to consider showing how to block lane creeps with your hero in one of your future videos. btw great work with this series.
4k hours in dota and you've taught me things I didnt even know.
4 000 games and I never fully understood agro till now :D. lol.
Also, orb-walk FTW xD
Wow, so many cool things
BSJ u are the reason I installed Dota 2 again after 1 year.
They should build some kind of proper fundamentals course like this into dota that actually loads up the drills for you in succession. Love your videos I'm getting better at the game so fast thanks to you
Ana didn't know the A click global creep agro and he was a pro lol. Then he learnt it and then dominated his lanes.
5.5k hrs played and now im here XD nice guide!
thaaannkkk you sooo much man
Thank you BSJ
I never thought these things existed, lol. this game is really complex
Crazy how ive played so many games but that tower aggro concept was new to me. Dota really is a complex game. Also, for the algo.
Good content man .
I think the one tiny bit of information that's missing from this video that is confusing me is what is the range for putting the creep's "sensor" on cooldown? For instance, if some guy mid is attacking a hero, obviously that's not going to put the creep's "sensor" in my lane on cool down.
Each hero has a different sensor. There is no range. If you attack an enemy every creep on the map checks to attack you and goes on 3 sec CD for you
@@BSJ Perfect, thank you, BSJ!
The way I internalize it is that it's like an invisible extra ability each hero has, it sends the ping out 500 from your hero. Rather than "The creeps check 500 range" it's "My hero sends an aoe 500 taunt", with a 3 sec cooldown, and while on cooldown you cannot taunt creeps.
@@BSJ does this mean that it is possible that another allied hero takes aggro in the time my hero´s creep aggro sensor is on cooldown?
this is so good video and also its free :) tnx BSJ
Can you add timelines for this video, topic wise maybe. It'll be really helpful
What happens when 2 hero(ally in lanes) does creep agro do they have individual time (2.3 sec ) or it is same?
dude did you have clip explain why tower change target from my hero to the creep i command him to deny?
How does the creep aggro 3-sectime limit work with two people in lane?
If my support draws creep aggro because he's harassing, do I have to wait for 3 seconds, or can I A-click an opponent right away to draw aggro?
Hi bsj, i was wondering if you could do a video on itemization for this series. This came after a game i played the other day on naix, i switched lanes lvl1 with my offlane clock because the enemy offlane matchup was hard for me, either way i ended up owning the lane bcause the am chose a bad trade lvl1 against me and my support lina alone, eventually forcing him into the jungle at around min 5. As the 8min mark approaced, i saw my team was doing very well, we literally won 3 lanes and i was having a free lane at top bcause none ganked me. So i had lots of gold stored up and i decided because i was soo free and my team was stomping that i would go for a greedy build, that is, maelstrom into armlet into s&y, I even considered BF as an option instead of maelstrom. the enemy team consisted of mid luna, support sk, pos5 ogre, offlane sb, and antimage.
So given the enemy draft as well as the awesome start i got off to, what would have been your thought process on itemization?
We ended losing the game😁 and i understand that it was probably because of my misplay on some parts of the map but in regards to itemization, i think i messd up because i went MKB into satanic after. Mkb because i feared am building butterfly and i didnt mind having more dmage, and satanic because i felt like having more survivability which was needed in the later stages of the game. I eventually ran out of slots for a lockdown item like abbysal or skadi and felt like i was chasing ppl like a headless chicken with all their kite.
I hope to see a fundamentals vid on itemization,
Thank you for amazing content!
I hope dota2 make a character version of you about tutorials in Learn where your audio is playing explaining
Thank you ayush
I am watching this as 3k player now i know how creeps and tower works i am very thankful to youuu thanksss
Daaaaamn! i actually never knew about that 3 second gap. 9k hours later......-.-, like that aint bad enough, im still guardian 3. ill start practicing that right away, thanks bsj. and for the whole series for that matter :)
youre joking right? 9k hours guardian 3 without know this 3 second gap you could be a divine with the hours youve played.
@@yoink9148 i know. ive played a ton of botmatches, purely for practicing last hitting and playing all positions and all heroes. to understand what they can do and how they work. last patch before the new calibration i was archon 3. I only played support ranked games. and it just didnt go well. atm for the last year ive been practicing normal matches only, pos 1, 2 and 3. And i think ill be playing ranked soon again. I tried to apply everything bsj tells and explains in his video's and now i finally start playing better.
I just didnt want to suck at dota no more.
@@yoink9148 The short version. I played the game wrong, thinking i was playing well. Now im actually studying and trying to loose my ways. been wrong, trying to do it right.
@@petervanderzee2378 I know, its just weird for me because you have 9k hours. the way you said "I went archon 3, i only played support games" feels like youre blaming your role lmao. I have a top 1k friend that literally been support right from the start. Im glad you realize that youre playing the game wrong. its still weird for me because I never look to this guides before but I were already archon less than 1.5k hours played at that time. I was so sure that if a person has 5k hours the person is most likely to be ancient or divine. Never thought having 9k hours can be still in guardian. I guess im wrong, people does develop differently. Im ancient 4 with 4k hours (3800 hours or something) and I havent played dota 1. this is why i feel this way with your rank, I think youre trolling or something but i guess not.
@@yoink9148 im afraid not, about the trolling. Im emberaslingly admitting that i read the game, my skills, my interpretation and all that wrong the entire time. I thought i was doing well. ive been watching too many pro matches, never realising what they actually did to acomplish their same moves. ive been on gameleap, watching purge speeed henry and many more, somehow it never got to me. bsj explains the game in a different way, and somehow now i seem to be getting it. same thing with my math teacher back in highschool, when he explained it to me i somehow got it, but all the other teachers i had teaching the same subject were talking in a way that went over my head. so yeah, i appreciate these videos, it finally seems to click :)
im 500mmr, the dragging creep to ranged creep clicked for me at some point when I was watching ti
i been playing Dota for like 7k H and i didnt know i can turn off my creep aggro if i att from far away and then come close!
very good video
Okay okay... Understanding this now after 3+ k hours in dota 2... I'mma give it a try.
Does tower aggro still work the same in 7.32e?
Should add how to change the tower attack by A-click our friend, so we dont get dmg in case we in low hp
21:05 he did
I have a question about aggro. I'm still herald (3 years since first game) and play only pos 4 & 5. In this bracket pos 1 & 3 don't know about creep aggro, so should i aggro creeps or not?
Just only use the aggro cooldown abuse, the one where you can harass enemy without drawing creeps. I am legend and even players in this bracket doesn't know aggro mechanics. You are fine in herald without knowing all these.
tnx alot
I've got about 3k hrs in dota 2. I now understand why on occasion a siege creep will follow me through narnia
I getting 600 mmr in a week after watch some of your videos, i advance from archon 3 to legend 1
17:30
don't forget A clicking friendly creeps takes tower aggro away from you
Is this still relative in new patch?
whats the music from intro
golden!
how to stop enemy from pulling your creeps?
Rly good
BSJ maybe i missed it but there is an important mechanic specifically for mid lane. The creeps wont aggro you when you A click an enemy if they dont have vision of you when you issued the command. You can find out if they have vision by standing on the cliff and A clicking the creep out of vision but within 500 range. If your range creep is attacking from the cliff there is a small radius of vision around it for the enemy. So make sure you dont stand next to the range creep.
awesome
22:05 what you came for
I draw aggro to range even when the lane is not pushing
2k hours in dota, now i finally feel like ik what the fuck is going on haha
2k hours is for new players, lucky you guys have bsj learning this stage at an early timestamps. some of my friend have 20k hours from dota 1 and dota 2 learned this things so late because of not having bsj at that time
knowing there are bunch of 4k and 5k player that do not even know how to reset their lane with aggro really baffles me , some of them even start hitting the creep and complaining to support why the lane is so pushed out meanwhile its all their own doing to begin with , some players just having inflated MMR
20:20 Thats not true. You can deaggro tower when youre in 500-700 range by Aclicking your teammates hero that is also in 500-700 range but hes closer then you are.
comment, like, lets watch!
Ashton Kutcher teaching dota 👍
I comment for the referencement
How to counter aggro??
The greatest lie. 10:30
Why hasn’t BSJ continued this series?
Hello BSJ, I want you to analyze the laning phase of two of my games. Can you help me? Very important for me.
accidentally commended instead of just liking and subscribing :/