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Sir sekhar i want to know what is POK actually is? Is the india mape that we been taught in our childhood is an exaggerated estimation of of india borderline if the india mape was right if it our why not claim in or has it been always that aksai chiin and pok was never apart of india
Badatma was no man of peace. He was a British stooge who encouraged Indian men to fight for British in their wars. How does that make him peaceful. I would say more like a hypocrite
It would have been nice for Mr. Gupta to have a working map or large TV behind him instead of a green screen. The editors have not worked hard enough to highlight the different areas as Mr. Gupta is talking about them. Understanding the topographical geography of this region is crucial to understanding its history. For most of us, JK is a flat 2D chicken on a map. A weather channel like set up would help this show a lot. I am an editor and VFX artist myself. Let me know if I can help in this regard for future episodes.
General Kulwant Singh was overall in charge / commander of Indian military operations in Kashmir in 1947. 48. He is referred to as the saviour of Kashmir. Gen Kulwant Singh was one of the Founders of our Sainik School. Once ,during a meeting with our School's students ,Gen Kulwant Singh shared his anguish. He said , ' Till this day I cannot understand the reasons why , when we were about to retake Muzaffarabad , PM Nehru ordered us to stop . ?
Nehru 's policies in Kasshmir were dictated by Sheikh Abdullah . Nehru did not let Sardar Patel handle Jammu and Kashmir although Sardar was looking after the integration of all other Princely States.
Pakistan is now a proxy of China in Kashmir and Ladakh. Article 370 gave India only a limited say in the affairs of Jammu and Kashmir , including Ladakh , which suited both China and Pakistan .China was always a player in the so-called Kashmir dispute overtly only between India and Pakistan. China wanted Ladakh to link up with Pakistan and Shaksgam valley . State Govt of Jammu and Kashmir , including Ladakh , was sympathetic to Pakistan ‘s and ultimately to China ‘s interests , especially in Ladakh. Example Late Sheikh Abdullah refused to allow His Holiness The Dalai Lama and his followers to settle in Ladakh when they took refuge in India . Ladakh was most suitable for Tibetans both from climate and cultural points of views. India ‘s direct control over both Kashmir and Ladakh has put an end to the China - Pakistani collusion . Present standoff in Ladakh is a joint China- Pakistan conspiracy. Now ,China fears losing Tibet and Aksai Chin and Pakistan losing Gilgit and Baltistan
After 1947-48 Kashmir operations when Nehru declared a pre mature ceasefire , the next best opportunity was during 1971 war / Simla talks . But Indra Gandhi let a golden opportunity slip by. Now , militarily very difficult . Casualty ratio regarding Attacking ; Defending in the mountains is around 9 ; 1 . In plains it is 4 ; 1 . Besides POK is , now , Chinese colony. To recover it India would have to fight a Two Front War
I believe we should show this map to every child from starting and edit our maps. Majority of the children don't know what LOC and LAC is for them as shown in offical map we control the whole territory. We should educate them that these parts have been taken away and its their duty to take it back.
You mean to say it or not the duty of current generation? Will Amit shah and Modi not make a pitch to take it back? How many years do they have between them? 7 years? This is Indian politics, things change too fast.. Congress lost 2014 within a matter of few months when Modi sprung up in the scene late 2013. Until then Advani was thinking that he would be the next PM and folks like Rajnath Singh, Sushma Swaraj and others dreamt big…
@@drindianguru1 it's not practical to take back control of those areas, first thing is to make india economically prosper then solve all these problems We can't afford to take them back
@@sujalverma8033 exactly, India can't afford a war. We need 50 years of growth and upgradation of our military, uplift ourselves from poverty and unemployment before even thinking about a war. And they are certainly not going to give up our land for free. Eventually we will end up destroying ourselves for tiny patches of land that are hotbeds of terrorism either way. But yes I do agree that kids should know what the map actually looks like. I was shocked in school when I learnt about it.
Somehow when he says India occupied Siachen, I did not like it. I do not know why most of the journalists including Shekhar sir in recent days tries to say Kashmir is not India, which is very very wrong, indirectly/direct their words say that, which again I did not like. Indian Saints/priests discovered so many things by staying in Kashmir. It belongs to India. Does anyone respond to this from Print? Because it was occupied by many foreigners and cast and religious migrations happened, will it be not India, no right?
Dear Mr Shekhar, Aksai Chin border was not demarcated on maps in 47. To claim that India inherited it from the Brits on maps is misleading. Further, the forward policy was the name given to the establishment of border posts in the vicinity of the 1959 claim line of China. It was implemented in 61-62, not in 50s, as you are informing your viewers. Poorly researched.
right, and so called 1959 line of China was only showed in all sorts of India media, never had China published and recognized such line. I believed it was totally a complete fabrication.
If you closely observe all his videos have half truths...conveniently selects the truth according to his party interest. And intentionally creats clutter. Ironically his videos name is cut the clutter😂. I watch to see..what our govt doing right. If this guy complains..then its proof..govt is in right path
Mr Shekhar Gupta, while your views and inputs are respected, there are few glaring errors, eg, Gilgit fell before signing of the IOA. I recommend you or your team goes through a set of five books written (sector wise) of 1947-48 conflict. Out of five, two sectors as you addressed today, are covered in two books, ie Treachery & Gallantry: Giligit-Skardu-Ladakh 1947-48 and In the Nick of Time: Saving Kashmir Valley 1947-48. Gen Sen's book remained unchallenged till legendary Gen Harbalsh Singh wrote his memoirs and slowly, it is seen as an account of self-glorification. Anyway, the books mentioned above have been selected as the study material for promotion exams for the officers of the Indian Army. I am sure you will get some real great insights. Going through all five books will be as great too.
@@plankshubham These ones: -In the Nick of Time: Saving Kashmir Valley 1947-48. -Treachery and Gallantry: Giligit-Skardu-Ladakh 1947-48 -Fighting Across the Passes: Recapture of Gurez and Tithwal 1947-48 -Against All Odds: Naushera-Jhangar Battles 1947-48 -Hold at All Costs: Siege and Relief of Poonch 1947-48. -The long road to Siachen. -Kashmir Narratives
Gupta Sir - The British had spcifically returned ,in June 1947 ,the lease of Gilgit Baltistan to Maharaja Hari Singh much earlier than the Lapse of Paramountcy Act came into effect. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilgit_Agency
indian government already rejected religion based nation theory. Per your theory, Pakistan has legitimate claims over Kashmir because majority of Kashmiris are Muslims.
@@ululukululu450 in partition muslims were offered 3 choices. How many choices hindus were offered? Was all india plebiscite conducted before executing partition? Did ordinary hindu in some Village was consulted? Did his opinion mattered? Was partition done using democratic principles?
My dear Shekhar Kindly check. Maharaja Hari Singh sent Brig Ghansara Singh as Governor of Gilgit and Baltistan after the treaty with British ceased to exist and the entire area of the Gilgit agency reverted back to the Maharaja. It was only on 1 Nov 1947 that Maj Brown , the Commandant of Gilgit Scouts led a mutiny against the Maharaja, arrested Brig Ghansara Singh and declared the Gilgit and Baltistan area as part of Pakistan. With Warm regards Brig VK Saxena former BM M sector Manipur (1981 to 1983)
True but also wrong. Problems would have only compounded and got of hand. The Punjab had experienced the worst forced human migration in modern history, which also claimed of millions of lives and practically destroyed the Punjab. Only a heartless butcher or an idiot would have expanded the war to the Punjab and compounded the misery of the people there, all the while ignoring building a state and its institutions that would last.
isn't it obvious? No government has had a focus on industrialization or on primary/secondary/vocational education. Usually for employment, it is a case of whether the chicken came first or the egg, but in India's case, neither exist. Curious what the clutter is in this regard
Every Pakistani think that Pakistan is incomplete without Kashmir... Sir please elaborate can Pakistan get back the Indian occupied territories by 2035 mission.
Unfinished agenda would push all indian muslims into Pakistan and all Pakistani Hindus into India. Pakistan population will double overnight. Indian population will reduce by 30cr.
one day the whole of GB and kashmir will revert back to Sanatan Dharma and leave the savage cult of islam to which it was brutally converted in last 800 years.. go read a book madarsachap.. your children will be brought back to the fold of this land’s culture and will rid of any Arab identity.. it will happen within this century
Siachen is very important strategic point of view. Unfortunately Manmohan & soniya wanted to give to Pakistan as a good will! Our Army opposed the proposal. Hence the congress government backfoot!? Ex. IAF
Sir Is this CTC a precursor to another war looming in the foreseeable future ? Let the forthcoming generation/s live in peace now . However if at all a war is foisted upon our nation 🇮🇳 then we can certainly punch a befitting reply to the adversary . Jai Hind 🇮🇳
@@plankshubham he himself mentioned at the start as well at the end that you (audience) can see the map. Not a coordination issue, obviously not a big deal either but it made me chuckle
Thank You sir for explaining this topic which I understood at the age where I completed schooling and gained good amount of professional experience, these things never taught or explained in schools or colleges. Once again thank you sir
For all that their political flip-flops, deception and trickery, I think the Pakistanis are justified in at least one thing : separating Gilgit-Baltistan from main Kashmir. As an outsider, it is obvious to us that Kashmiri identity is quite distinct from those of GB (essentially Turkic/Central Asian) and of Ladakh (essentially Tibetan). In fact, India itself recognized the distinctness of Kashmir and Ladakh when the J&K state was split in 2019 into separate J&K and Ladakh entities. I don't think a Mongoloid highlander up in the pristine snow-clad mountains of GB or Ladakh is exactly concerned about what goes on in Srinagar or Muzaffarabad - why drag them into this endless conundrum?
IMO, that is some top level non-sense. If we go with what you just proposed, then there is no reason for any multi-ethnic nation states (like India) to exist in the first place, and moreover the same concepts can apply to Pakistan as well (Even more so than India itself, given how bad they are at managing / acknowledging multi ethnicity within their nation)
Instead of the ad in the starting it should be the title of the cut the clutter subject like it used to be. One have to read the whole thing to know whats the video about. Just a suggestion
When India, a Hindu country keeps provoking Kashmir, a Muslin Country will lead to a Religious War. Mohdi illtreating the Northern Indian who are Muslim and eventually they may joined Kaskmir in the religious war. As such, it is better to leave the Kashmirian alone and allow them to have their autonomy and live peacefully with INDIA.
Brilliant episode. Long overdue from Print since no other channel will dare tackle intellectual topics. They want dramatic news only. As a layman I got enough details & history to understand the basic issues of differences. That’s more than enough for me. Let the experts look for nuances & subtleties elsewhere. Thank you Shekar. Keep up the excellent work that you continue to do. Warm regards Salil
A treasure trove! What kind of Research Shekharji must have done! So meticulous was the descrption that is not available to common people like us! Thank you Print and so much we are indebted to Shekharji for bringing us the story in simple language!
@@ThePrintIndia a comparison between the territories of the princely state of J&K and the current maps would be even more interesting. And plaid not forget Minsar and surrounding areas
Don't really understand the aversion with maps in all of Indian media, I have seen many instances of 10 pages worth of articles on J&K / Border geopolitics with all kinds of events put in but not a single map attached, Like the entire galwan episode and it's aftermath, where the news mostly speaks about positions on ground, but not one media house did it justice with maps, NOT ONE all of this would be 10 times more intuitive and impactful with purposeful map graphics.
Readers have to demand a scaled map... Samaj had to demand ..In any case Shekhar's funding comes from overseas ...and those leaning to the left ( Vampanthi / Borderline Desh Drohi )... Stop subscribing ..... if 5000 people did that overnight .... things will change at this youtube Channel .
@@ganeshdore You are misquoting me on purpose, the point was not against this channel (it's still one of the better channels, and that too by a wide margin). It's just a general frustration I have with Indian channels when it comes to the presentation of geography heavy articles, as it becomes mentally taxing for a viewer like me to connect and follow without proper maps, as more often than not, the stuff being presented tends to be pretty jargon heavy. As always, you should be free to show yourself out if it's not your cup of tea for any (read: personal) reason.
The Print tweeted a few months ago that “Giant statues of Hindu gods and leaders are making Muslims of India nervous”. The Print is really ‘secular’ you know, it is unquestionable. Cut the clutter indeed!
chal bhaag al-arabi momin.. arabo ke zehani gulam one day all al-arabi momins of this land will revert back to Sanatan Dharma and leave the savage cult of islam to which it was brutally converted in last 800 years.. go read a book madarsachap.. your children will be brought back to the fold of this land’s culture and will rid of any Arab identity.. and it will happen within this century
Although I do not agree with all that you say especially regarding Domestic Politics, this was a fantastic episode. Thanks more of these would be welcome.
Come on Shekhar. India clearly violated the Simla Agreement in 1984 by Militarily occupying the Siachen Glacier. So the lack of trustworthiness points towards India in this case.
pakistan did the same in kargil.. just because you couldnt gobble it up doesnot give you the right to cry like a donkey now.. so stop whining madarsachap
the idiotic ads 'templeton,' begging for help splashing objectionable images irritate so much that i switch it off to somewhere else, till it gets over ! ======= matts'
Nehru Blunder ....Yaad Rahe ..Also Blunder by India Samaj ... Dont just blame Nehru... Do Check with your Father / Uncles ... I did check with my father .
They should build a big statue of Nehru, on top of one of the Kashmiri mountains that is visible from both sides. They could call it the statue of naivety. At the base of the statue they should build a big museum and call it the museum of stupidity, with educational displays about every stupid thing that politicians around the world have done.
@@tubro541 This is from 75 years ago ...Nehru did not want Kashmir for Bharat deep down. That is my assessment in 2022. I was born in Sept 1947. We migrated in June 1947 from Hyderabad Sindh to Udaipur. The Borders as drawn in 1945 show a border that is not easily defended. Look at Chickens neck in Jalpaiguiri. Pakistan / Muslim League wanted to separate and deserved zilch. Then came the LAC in 1948 which is a super duper blunder., Hindu Samaj should have taken to the streets the day Cease fire was announced and General Cariappa was told to stop. The LAC that leaves NH 1 vulnerable at Dras / Kargil ... Total madness. Cariappa should have taken the Jhelum Riiver both sides, plus Mangala Dam Location ( where Poonch meets Jhelum at Mirpur ) , Entire Neelam Valley ( Kishan Ganga ) , Muzaffarabad, Skardu / Gilgit and Chilas....then Cease fire . Then Nehru gifted the Indus water treaty in 1953 getting zilch in return Then in 1955 Sheikh Abdullah double crossed Nehru. Hindu samaj was once again quiet. Idiot Samaj ( That includes my highly educated Grandfather who was 55 in 1947 and my Father who was 28 in 1947. Rest in peace.}
A very good episode, particularly for the uninitiated. Compliments! Perhaps you could have briefly spoken of Point NJ 9814 (which, as you know, is a grid reference on the map, beyond which the LC was not demarcated and said to proceed "thence northwards") and the AGPL (Actual Ground Position Line), a 70 odd km demarcation on the Glacier between India and Pak. Having served in Northern Glacier to defend this line, some of us feel a special attachment to it. In a subsequent CTC, it would be good if you could cover the McMahon line, why Chinese consider ALP as 'Southern Tibet' , their spurious claim on Tawang and other contentious issues in the Eastern Sector. Best regards Maj Gen Pachory, VSM (retd)
The area above Shashgam valley was under Kashmir king and he was having an outpost their as well which is now under khotan. British let it go as no man’s land just fearing Russian possible expansion.
Sir, you said Aksai Chin means the land of white river. This is incorrect. It means "Chins desert of white stones." Chin refers to Qing dynasty of China.
Mr Gupta is really struggling because he is trying to be very politically correct. In his concern not to offend Muslims who always extrapolate themselves to Pakistan sympathy mister Gupta is really trying to do the balancing act. Hence a poor presentation
Thank you very much dear Shekar Sir for explaining us such a complicated topics in very clear and concise way. There are so many things I learned after I started watching your show and overall other videos by ThePrint team. I am a proud subscriber to ThePrint. There is not a single day passes without watching Shekarji’s cut the clutter show. It has become my staple diet :-). I highly recommend every one to subscribe a d support this genuine media house and good people
India should have captured the entirety of J&K during 1971, on what basis do Pakistan even believe they have any authority over this, just because it has muslims living in that area? Do Pakistan have monopoly over muslims? Kashmir is an integral part of India and the Maharaja Hari Singh himself acceded his territory to India, the entirety of J&K is India
Pakistan and China are working on another route, a well known Muztagh pass pass between Shagsgam and Shigar valley, So Nubra and Karakorum pass area are not of much worth for Pakistan.
You never mentioned the fact that the Wakhan Corridor was also kashmiri territory, given to Afghanistan, with the sole purpose of cutting off India from the Soviet Union.
Very interesting summary of all the different sections of the Kashmir issue. I thought it was simpler - Indian Kashmir, POK and Aksai Chin. Anyway, in just a couple of years the next Avatar will appear. He will be a powerful Avatar so many of these issues will be settled in some way. Islam will have difficulty surviving because they don't have the concept of an Avatar - so the reason for the existence of Pakistan may itself go away. Kashmir as a whole may become part of India, but it may also have greater autonomy. China may lose Aksai Chin as well as Tibet.
🤳The only way to eliminate terrorism is to apply the same sura and ayat of Quoran on the Muslim in opposite way. Like where the Ayat has said to fight with Kafirs till they convert, we need to make it fight with Muslims till they convert .....all other lines in Quoran in opposite ditto just replacing the word "kafirs" with "Muslims". This is the perfect way in not to engage in double standards.
Pakistan and China exchanged territory based on access for security purpose. Pakistan got more territory than what it gave to China. It was also written int he agreement that this exchange will be reverified upon final settlement of Kashmir with whoever gains control. So please give full facts.
If anyone is interested in how exactly the Kashmir issue happened. Please watch Article 370 explainer video of Dr Vikas Divyakirti on Drishti channel. It's very detailed and extremely nuanced and fascinating.
Hi Shekhar, did Indias official map at the time of independence and in the early fifty’s include Aksai Chin? Official maps of India show “undefined boundaries”
Shekhar ji, liked your video a lot. But it could have been more illustrative had you also included the regions of LAC, where the confrontation has been flaring for last 2 years. I'm sure the viewers know very little of Gogra, the Hot Spring, Kukrang nullah, Kongka La, Galwan, Depsang, DBO, Finger area, Rezang La, Kailash point etc. All these areas are the very locations where deliberate and planned Chinese incursions took place in 2020. And the two Asian giants almost came close to war. Negotiations are still on. These are areas with mile and miles of barren lands with no signs of a human soul.......
First we take out pok,gigitbaltistan and aksaichin .diplomat talks with China and Pakistan.past is past,we think about past truth and future friendships .
Gupta Sir why would you want us to read a book written by Lt.Gen Bogey Sen who was Eastern Commander and one of the main culprits of the abject defeat in the 1962 war. He along with his babu colleagues Lt.Gen Kaul, Gen Thappar, Maj. Gen Anant Pathania, Maj Gen Nirnanjan Prasad etc did not even put up a fight and just withdrew when the PLA advanced.
One point is missed? Jinnah had fought in british courts for independent GilBal... was paid his and his siater's weight in silver for his services, I believe ... but he used the army and subjugated them after???
Any effort to disturb the territorial status quo in a meaningful manner holds the threat of a conflict, even a nuclear exchange. Better for the three neighbours to live with what they have.
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Sir ji make a CTC on the CWG performance of India. Shekhar , sir ur analysis on sports is such a grt thing to watch.
Sir sekhar i want to know what is POK actually is? Is the india mape that we been taught in our childhood is an exaggerated estimation of of india borderline if the india mape was right if it our why not claim in or has it been always that aksai chiin and pok was never apart of india
Badatma was no man of peace. He was a British stooge who encouraged Indian men to fight for British in their wars. How does that make him peaceful. I would say more like a hypocrite
It would have been nice for Mr. Gupta to have a working map or large TV behind him instead of a green screen. The editors have not worked hard enough to highlight the different areas as Mr. Gupta is talking about them. Understanding the topographical geography of this region is crucial to understanding its history. For most of us, JK is a flat 2D chicken on a map. A weather channel like set up would help this show a lot.
I am an editor and VFX artist myself. Let me know if I can help in this regard for future episodes.
General Kulwant Singh was overall in charge / commander of Indian military operations in Kashmir in 1947. 48. He is referred to as the saviour of Kashmir. Gen Kulwant Singh was one of the Founders of our Sainik School. Once ,during a meeting with our School's students ,Gen Kulwant Singh shared his anguish. He said , ' Till this day I cannot understand the reasons why , when we were about to retake Muzaffarabad , PM Nehru ordered us to stop . ?
Nehru 's policies in Kasshmir were dictated by Sheikh Abdullah . Nehru did not let Sardar Patel handle Jammu and Kashmir although Sardar was looking after the integration of all other Princely States.
Pakistan is now a proxy of China in Kashmir and Ladakh.
Article 370 gave India only a limited say in the affairs of Jammu and Kashmir , including Ladakh , which suited both China and Pakistan .China was always a player in the so-called Kashmir dispute overtly only between India and Pakistan. China wanted Ladakh to link up with Pakistan and Shaksgam valley . State Govt of Jammu and Kashmir , including Ladakh , was sympathetic to Pakistan ‘s and ultimately to China ‘s interests , especially in Ladakh. Example Late Sheikh Abdullah refused to allow His Holiness The Dalai Lama and his followers to settle in Ladakh when they took refuge in India . Ladakh was most suitable for Tibetans both from climate and cultural points of views. India ‘s direct control over both Kashmir and Ladakh has put an end to the China - Pakistani collusion . Present standoff in Ladakh is a joint China- Pakistan conspiracy. Now ,China fears losing Tibet and Aksai Chin and Pakistan losing Gilgit and Baltistan
After 1947-48 Kashmir operations when Nehru declared a pre mature ceasefire , the next best opportunity was during 1971 war / Simla talks . But Indra Gandhi let a golden opportunity slip by.
Now , militarily very difficult . Casualty ratio regarding Attacking ; Defending in the mountains is around 9 ; 1 . In plains it is 4 ; 1 .
Besides POK is , now , Chinese colony. To recover it India would have to fight a Two Front War
I believe we should show this map to every child from starting and edit our maps. Majority of the children don't know what LOC and LAC is for them as shown in offical map we control the whole territory. We should educate them that these parts have been taken away and its their duty to take it back.
You mean to say it or not the duty of current generation? Will Amit shah and Modi not make a pitch to take it back? How many years do they have between them? 7 years? This is Indian politics, things change too fast.. Congress lost 2014 within a matter of few months when Modi sprung up in the scene late 2013. Until then Advani was thinking that he would be the next PM and folks like Rajnath Singh, Sushma Swaraj and others dreamt big…
@@drindianguru1 no political bais on it. Every party should do it
@@drindianguru1 it's not practical to take back control of those areas, first thing is to make india economically prosper then solve all these problems
We can't afford to take them back
@@sujalverma8033 exactly, India can't afford a war. We need 50 years of growth and upgradation of our military, uplift ourselves from poverty and unemployment before even thinking about a war. And they are certainly not going to give up our land for free. Eventually we will end up destroying ourselves for tiny patches of land that are hotbeds of terrorism either way. But yes I do agree that kids should know what the map actually looks like. I was shocked in school when I learnt about it.
How is kashmir part of any of the three neighboring countries?? This is pure occupation
Somehow when he says India occupied Siachen, I did not like it. I do not know why most of the journalists including Shekhar sir in recent days tries to say Kashmir is not India, which is very very wrong, indirectly/direct their words say that, which again I did not like. Indian Saints/priests discovered so many things by staying in Kashmir. It belongs to India. Does anyone respond to this from Print? Because it was occupied by many foreigners and cast and religious migrations happened, will it be not India, no right?
"IRRATIONAL Fear of Islam" is called Islamophobia!
"RATIONAL Fear of Islam" is called COMMON SENSE!
Love of Islam is called islamophilia, and Islam lovers are called islamophiles.
Very patient explanation. Genuinely appreciate clarification regarding exchange of territories. Hope they are accurate.
Dear Mr Shekhar,
Aksai Chin border was not demarcated on maps in 47. To claim that India inherited it from the Brits on maps is misleading. Further, the forward policy was the name given to the establishment of border posts in the vicinity of the 1959 claim line of China. It was implemented in 61-62, not in 50s, as you are informing your viewers. Poorly researched.
right, and so called 1959 line of China was only showed in all sorts of India media, never had China published and recognized such line. I believed it was totally a complete fabrication.
If you closely observe all his videos have half truths...conveniently selects the truth according to his party interest.
And intentionally creats clutter.
Ironically his videos name is cut the clutter😂.
I watch to see..what our govt doing right.
If this guy complains..then its proof..govt is in right path
Mr Shekhar Gupta, while your views and inputs are respected, there are few glaring errors, eg, Gilgit fell before signing of the IOA. I recommend you or your team goes through a set of five books written (sector wise) of 1947-48 conflict. Out of five, two sectors as you addressed today, are covered in two books, ie Treachery & Gallantry: Giligit-Skardu-Ladakh 1947-48 and In the Nick of Time: Saving Kashmir Valley 1947-48.
Gen Sen's book remained unchallenged till legendary Gen Harbalsh Singh wrote his memoirs and slowly, it is seen as an account of self-glorification. Anyway, the books mentioned above have been selected as the study material for promotion exams for the officers of the Indian Army. I am sure you will get some real great insights. Going through all five books will be as great too.
it's will be greate if you can list them .
@@plankshubham These ones:
-In the Nick of Time: Saving Kashmir Valley 1947-48.
-Treachery and Gallantry: Giligit-Skardu-Ladakh 1947-48
-Fighting Across the Passes: Recapture of Gurez and Tithwal 1947-48
-Against All Odds: Naushera-Jhangar Battles 1947-48
-Hold at All Costs: Siege and Relief of Poonch 1947-48.
-The long road to Siachen.
-Kashmir Narratives
Gupta Sir - The British had spcifically returned ,in June 1947 ,the lease of Gilgit Baltistan to Maharaja Hari Singh much earlier than the Lapse of Paramountcy Act came into effect. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilgit_Agency
You saved me few weeks of reading. This is just fantastic. Even though I studied in India I had no clue on details.
Indira Gandhi had a golden opportunity to solve pok and gilgit baltistan issue for once and all, it was like an all out war.
Total exchange of hindu muslim population is only permanent logical closure of partition.
indian government already rejected religion based nation theory. Per your theory, Pakistan has legitimate claims over Kashmir because majority of Kashmiris are Muslims.
@@ululukululu450 in partition muslims were offered 3 choices. How many choices hindus were offered? Was all india plebiscite conducted before executing partition? Did ordinary hindu in some Village was consulted? Did his opinion mattered? Was partition done using democratic principles?
My dear Shekhar
Kindly check.
Maharaja Hari Singh sent Brig Ghansara Singh as Governor of Gilgit and Baltistan after the treaty with British ceased to exist and the entire area of the Gilgit agency reverted back to the Maharaja.
It was only on 1 Nov 1947 that Maj Brown , the Commandant of Gilgit Scouts led a mutiny against the Maharaja, arrested Brig Ghansara Singh and declared the Gilgit and Baltistan area as part of Pakistan.
With Warm regards
Brig VK Saxena
former BM M sector Manipur (1981 to 1983)
It is common sense having siachen is a very high importance area and psychological thriller for neighbors...
Problem could have been settled in 1948 , if India moved forces in Punjab Rajasthan and gujrat to Pakistan like it was done in,1965 war.
True but also wrong. Problems would have only compounded and got of hand. The Punjab had experienced the worst forced human migration in modern history, which also claimed of millions of lives and practically destroyed the Punjab. Only a heartless butcher or an idiot would have expanded the war to the Punjab and compounded the misery of the people there, all the while ignoring building a state and its institutions that would last.
Gupta Sir Congrats on havinf been the first to report the successful and strategically very important Operation Meghdoot.
Mr Gupta is brilliant as always
I wish we had a slightly better production quality by the graphics and map being zoomed in and highlights as the talk made references.
Thank you Gupta ji for a simplistic explanation 😂
I love it.
In the 2019 map, Gilgit Baltistan are included in UT of Ladakh. Why is everyone getting it wrong?
Yup... why separate it from ladakh...?
@@rbyogin3614 different culture.
Hello Sir
Could you make a CTC on why every other govt fails to generate employment ?
isn't it obvious? No government has had a focus on industrialization or on primary/secondary/vocational education. Usually for employment, it is a case of whether the chicken came first or the egg, but in India's case, neither exist.
Curious what the clutter is in this regard
Hare Krishna...ham toh sirf yahi chah te he ki hamari desh me khusali rahe...
Every Pakistani think that Pakistan is incomplete without Kashmir... Sir please elaborate can Pakistan get back the Indian occupied territories by 2035 mission.
Wonderful explanation of the complicated history of kashmir and the triangle of territory of our northern border between pak,China and India
Thanks to GOVERNMENT OF INDIA 🇮🇳 for adding one more stakeholder to the kashmir dispute
Can't brush aside Indian repeated evasion of any amicable solution to the unfinished agenda of the Partition.
Unfinished agenda would push all indian muslims into Pakistan and all Pakistani Hindus into India. Pakistan population will double overnight. Indian population will reduce by 30cr.
It is funny that u think that. It is Pakistan doesn't accept any solution to J&K other than completely giving away territory to pakistan
one day the whole of GB and kashmir will revert back to Sanatan Dharma and leave the savage cult of islam to which it was brutally converted in last 800 years.. go read a book madarsachap.. your children will be brought back to the fold of this land’s culture and will rid of any Arab identity.. it will happen within this century
Siachen is very important strategic point of view. Unfortunately Manmohan & soniya wanted to give to Pakistan as a good will! Our Army opposed the proposal. Hence the congress government backfoot!? Ex. IAF
Eye opener for common listener
Sir
Is this CTC a precursor to another war looming in the foreseeable future ?
Let the forthcoming generation/s live in peace now .
However if at all a war is foisted upon our nation 🇮🇳 then we can certainly punch a befitting reply to the adversary .
Jai Hind 🇮🇳
11:56 Guptaji got in a story telling zone so much that he forgot there will be a map behind him 😀
Probabaly because he recording in front of green screen and they are doing a bad job of co-ordinating it.
@@plankshubham he himself mentioned at the start as well at the end that you (audience) can see the map. Not a coordination issue, obviously not a big deal either but it made me chuckle
Thank You sir for explaining this topic which I understood at the age where I completed schooling and gained good amount of professional experience, these things never taught or explained in schools or colleges. Once again thank you sir
Most invaluable for me. I know so little about and what I know is thoroughly mixed up. So a big thanks, Shekhar
For all that their political flip-flops, deception and trickery, I think the Pakistanis are justified in at least one thing : separating Gilgit-Baltistan from main Kashmir. As an outsider, it is obvious to us that Kashmiri identity is quite distinct from those of GB (essentially Turkic/Central Asian) and of Ladakh (essentially Tibetan). In fact, India itself recognized the distinctness of Kashmir and Ladakh when the J&K state was split in 2019 into separate J&K and Ladakh entities. I don't think a Mongoloid highlander up in the pristine snow-clad mountains of GB or Ladakh is exactly concerned about what goes on in Srinagar or Muzaffarabad - why drag them into this endless conundrum?
IMO, that is some top level non-sense.
If we go with what you just proposed, then there is no reason for any multi-ethnic nation states (like India) to exist in the first place, and moreover the same concepts can apply to Pakistan as well (Even more so than India itself, given how bad they are at managing / acknowledging multi ethnicity within their nation)
Instead of the ad in the starting it should be the title of the cut the clutter subject like it used to be. One have to read the whole thing to know whats the video about. Just a suggestion
When India, a Hindu country keeps provoking Kashmir, a Muslin Country will lead to a Religious War. Mohdi illtreating the Northern Indian who are Muslim and eventually they may joined Kaskmir in the religious war. As such, it is better to leave the Kashmirian alone and allow them to have their autonomy and live peacefully with INDIA.
Brilliant episode. Long overdue from Print since no other channel will dare tackle intellectual topics. They want dramatic news only.
As a layman I got enough details & history to understand the basic issues of differences. That’s more than enough for me.
Let the experts look for nuances & subtleties elsewhere.
Thank you Shekar.
Keep up the excellent work that you continue to do.
Warm regards
Salil
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A treasure trove! What kind of Research Shekharji must have done! So meticulous was the descrption that is not available to common people like us! Thank you Print and so much we are indebted to Shekharji for bringing us the story in simple language!
@@ThePrintIndia a comparison between the territories of the princely state of J&K and the current maps would be even more interesting. And plaid not forget Minsar and surrounding areas
Don't really understand the aversion with maps in all of Indian media,
I have seen many instances of 10 pages worth of articles on J&K / Border geopolitics with all kinds of events put in but not a single map attached,
Like the entire galwan episode and it's aftermath, where the news mostly speaks about positions on ground, but not one media house did it justice with maps, NOT ONE
all of this would be 10 times more intuitive and impactful with purposeful map graphics.
Readers have to demand a scaled map... Samaj had to demand ..In any case Shekhar's funding comes from overseas ...and those leaning to the left ( Vampanthi / Borderline Desh Drohi )... Stop subscribing ..... if 5000 people did that overnight .... things will change at this youtube Channel .
@@ganeshdore You are misquoting me on purpose, the point was not against this channel (it's still one of the better channels, and that too by a wide margin).
It's just a general frustration I have with Indian channels when it comes to the presentation of geography heavy articles, as it becomes mentally taxing for a viewer like me to connect and follow without proper maps, as more often than not, the stuff being presented tends to be pretty jargon heavy.
As always, you should be free to show yourself out if it's not your cup of tea for any (read: personal) reason.
Major brown a 25 year old was one who led the Gilgit scouts we lost 120 soldiers during siege of scardu
The Print tweeted a few months ago that “Giant statues of Hindu gods and leaders are making Muslims of India nervous”. The Print is really ‘secular’ you know, it is unquestionable. Cut the clutter indeed!
Great attempt at decluttering and familiarizing us with the area but so many factual inaccuracies makes this seem like a propaganda video to me
Gilgit baltistan is PAKISTANI territory Period. We can gift or do anything with it. Misinformation by the print.
UN resolution which u demand consider gilgit shashsham valley u gifted to china as part of Jk
You do whatever you want we dont care and we will do whatever we want
chal bhaag al-arabi momin.. arabo ke zehani gulam
one day all al-arabi momins of this land will revert back to Sanatan Dharma and leave the savage cult of islam to which it was brutally converted in last 800 years.. go read a book madarsachap.. your children will be brought back to the fold of this land’s culture and will rid of any Arab identity.. and it will happen within this century
Although I do not agree with all that you say especially regarding Domestic Politics, this was a fantastic episode. Thanks more of these would be welcome.
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The king of kashmir namely yousuf shah chak was from Gilgit baltistan.. Kashmir
Just great Sir,
Thanks.
He has a nice picture/diagram - RIGHT BEHIND HIM. And, he keeps drawing a map in thin air.
Ustad Pedro Gupta
Come on Shekhar. India clearly violated the Simla Agreement in 1984 by Militarily occupying the Siachen Glacier. So the lack of trustworthiness points towards India in this case.
pakistan did the same in kargil.. just because you couldnt gobble it up doesnot give you the right to cry like a donkey now.. so stop whining madarsachap
Thanks
Very interesting video sir. I was happy to hear you reference Peter Hopkirk.
the idiotic ads 'templeton,' begging for help splashing objectionable images irritate so much that i switch it off to somewhere else, till it gets over ! ======= matts'
Really complicated issue and tough to resolve as both China and Pakistan can never be trusted.
Nehru Blunder ....Yaad Rahe ..Also Blunder by India Samaj ... Dont just blame Nehru... Do Check with your Father / Uncles ... I did check with my father .
@@ganeshdore The blame doesn’t change the facts. It will not even get more votes
. I doubt Indian Samaj even knew where Gilgit was in the 1940’s.
They should build a big statue of Nehru, on top of one of the Kashmiri mountains that is visible from both sides. They could call it the statue of naivety. At the base of the statue they should build a big museum and call it the museum of stupidity, with educational displays about every stupid thing that politicians around the world have done.
@@tubro541 This is from 75 years ago ...Nehru did not want Kashmir for Bharat deep down. That is my assessment in 2022. I was born in Sept 1947. We migrated in June 1947 from Hyderabad Sindh to Udaipur.
The Borders as drawn in 1945 show a border that is not easily defended. Look at Chickens neck in Jalpaiguiri.
Pakistan / Muslim League wanted to separate and deserved zilch.
Then came the LAC in 1948 which is a super duper blunder., Hindu Samaj should have taken to the streets the day Cease fire was announced and General Cariappa was told to stop. The LAC that leaves NH 1 vulnerable at Dras / Kargil ... Total madness.
Cariappa should have taken the Jhelum Riiver both sides, plus Mangala Dam
Location ( where Poonch meets Jhelum at Mirpur ) , Entire Neelam Valley
( Kishan Ganga ) , Muzaffarabad, Skardu / Gilgit and Chilas....then Cease fire .
Then Nehru gifted the Indus water treaty in 1953 getting zilch in return
Then in 1955 Sheikh Abdullah double crossed Nehru.
Hindu samaj was once again quiet.
Idiot Samaj ( That includes my highly educated Grandfather who was 55 in 1947
and my Father who was 28 in 1947. Rest in peace.}
@@ganeshdore he already explained why india couldn't take all of Kashmir because of the snow blocking the passes
A very good episode, particularly for the uninitiated. Compliments! Perhaps you could have briefly spoken of Point NJ 9814 (which, as you know, is a grid reference on the map, beyond which the LC was not demarcated and said to proceed "thence northwards") and the AGPL (Actual Ground Position Line), a 70 odd km demarcation on the Glacier between India and Pak. Having served in Northern Glacier to defend this line, some of us feel a special attachment to it.
In a subsequent CTC, it would be good if you could cover the McMahon line, why Chinese consider ALP as 'Southern Tibet' , their spurious claim on Tawang and other contentious issues in the Eastern Sector.
Best regards
Maj Gen Pachory, VSM (retd)
Why not discuss 1000 sq kms in depsang plains occupied by china and Modi still unable to name china
@@faultlines3399 because it is fake news.
Sir, theory of “accession treaty” must be solved with POK, then why new headache?
Sensitive explanation 👍👍
Hi Shekar why don't u do a episode on the LP Sen book. It seems like some climax scene now and u also mentioned abt MK there by building more suspense
This only clarifies the dreams
Brilliant presentation of facts and their analysis , as usual , by Gupta Sir.
How wonderfully explained. Really cleared the clutter.
The area above Shashgam valley was under Kashmir king and he was having an outpost their as well which is now under khotan. British let it go as no man’s land just fearing Russian possible expansion.
Very informative. Tks Mr Shekhar for good research work done
Excellent!!
Sir, you said Aksai Chin means the land of white river. This is incorrect. It means "Chins desert of white stones." Chin refers to Qing dynasty of China.
Why India was in aksai chin after independence.... another big blunder by Congress nehru
Mr Gupta is really struggling because he is trying to be very politically correct. In his concern not to offend Muslims who always extrapolate themselves to Pakistan sympathy mister Gupta is really trying to do the balancing act. Hence a poor presentation
Thank you very much dear Shekar Sir for explaining us such a complicated topics in very clear and concise way. There are so many things I learned after I started watching your show and overall other videos by ThePrint team. I am a proud subscriber to ThePrint. There is not a single day passes without watching Shekarji’s cut the clutter show. It has become my staple diet :-). I highly recommend every one to subscribe a d support this genuine media house and good people
And please explain about 3 Jun plane according to which Kashmir is an internal part of Pakistan. Then how India invaded it.. please elaborate
KASHMIR = Gilgit Baltistan shaksgam valley aksai chin siachen k2 ladakh mirpur muzaffarabad jammu and srinagar are parts of kashmir.
Lucidly put.
Thanks from a student!
Illegally occupied territories will be united with Hindustan one day.
Saved for future reference 👍
India should have captured the entirety of J&K during 1971, on what basis do Pakistan even believe they have any authority over this, just because it has muslims living in that area? Do Pakistan have monopoly over muslims? Kashmir is an integral part of India and the Maharaja Hari Singh himself acceded his territory to India, the entirety of J&K is India
Kashmir is our crown 👑 not chicken
My guess is India can never take back POK and Aksai Chin or Tibet or Bangladesh. Any misadventure by any party will bring disaster to whole region.
Pakistan and China are working on another route, a well known Muztagh pass pass between Shagsgam and Shigar valley, So Nubra and Karakorum pass area are not of much worth for Pakistan.
Opposition MPs and Ruling members of parliament should visit all our borders.
But isn't Gilgit and Baltistan (aka Balawaristan) part of Pakistan Occupied Ladakh?
Especially since LADAKH is now a union territory?
And why isn't that British general, recognized for his crime against humanity, and violating the terms of the British treaty with Jammu & Kashmir?
You never mentioned the fact that the Wakhan Corridor was also kashmiri territory, given to Afghanistan, with the sole purpose of cutting off India from the Soviet Union.
In what way The Print of Shekhar Gupta helping we the people of India?
Very interesting summary of all the different sections of the Kashmir issue. I thought it was simpler - Indian Kashmir, POK and Aksai Chin. Anyway, in just a couple of years the next Avatar will appear. He will be a powerful Avatar so many of these issues will be settled in some way. Islam will have difficulty surviving because they don't have the concept of an Avatar - so the reason for the existence of Pakistan may itself go away. Kashmir as a whole may become part of India, but it may also have greater autonomy. China may lose Aksai Chin as well as Tibet.
What is an avatar?
@@hamzaehsan404 Rama, Krishna, Jesus are Avatars - Saviors sent by God. The next one will be here soon.
@@duttage2721 in you dnt knw anything abt Islam... in islam Jesus and mahdi will come
Thanks for decluttring the maps of India Pakistan and China . Very interesting!
amit shah in august 2019: we are commited to recover aksai chin,,,
ccp in april 2020 : we have militarized LAC,,,
Jago janta jago
🤳The only way to eliminate terrorism is to apply the same sura and ayat of Quoran on the Muslim in opposite way. Like where the Ayat has said to fight with Kafirs till they convert, we need to make it fight with Muslims till they convert .....all other lines in Quoran in opposite ditto just replacing the word "kafirs" with "Muslims". This is the perfect way in not to engage in double standards.
Pakistan and China exchanged territory based on access for security purpose. Pakistan got more territory than what it gave to China. It was also written int he agreement that this exchange will be reverified upon final settlement of Kashmir with whoever gains control. So please give full facts.
Quite informative. Thank you Sir.
Kinda funny !! Amit Shah will sacrifice his life for India by sitting in Delhi 😋
If anyone is interested in how exactly the Kashmir issue happened. Please watch Article 370 explainer video of Dr Vikas Divyakirti on Drishti channel. It's very detailed and extremely nuanced and fascinating.
Hi Shekhar, did Indias official map at the time of independence and in the early fifty’s include Aksai Chin? Official maps of India show “undefined boundaries”
Shekhar ji, liked your video a lot. But it could have been more illustrative had you also included the regions of LAC, where the confrontation has been flaring for last 2 years. I'm sure the viewers know very little of Gogra, the Hot Spring, Kukrang nullah, Kongka La, Galwan, Depsang, DBO, Finger area, Rezang La, Kailash point etc. All these areas are the very locations where deliberate and planned Chinese incursions took place in 2020. And the two Asian giants almost came close to war. Negotiations are still on. These are areas with mile and miles of barren lands with no signs of a human soul.......
atleast show d right map 😕😕😕😕😕
Good one
First we take out pok,gigitbaltistan and aksaichin .diplomat talks with China and Pakistan.past is past,we think about past truth and future friendships .
Very Very informative and useful video 👌👍👏❤️💐🙏.
Gupta Sir why would you want us to read a book written by Lt.Gen Bogey Sen who was Eastern Commander and one of the main culprits of the abject defeat in the 1962 war. He along with his babu colleagues Lt.Gen Kaul, Gen Thappar, Maj. Gen Anant Pathania, Maj Gen Nirnanjan Prasad etc did not even put up a fight and just withdrew when the PLA advanced.
Thank you for the video. The video is packed with a lot of information and is educational:)
Commitments?ast time around, Siachen was last broken Commitment
One point is missed? Jinnah had fought in british courts for independent GilBal... was paid his and his siater's weight in silver for his services, I believe ... but he used the army and subjugated them after???
Historical blunders could only be corrected in the past
How much of j&k map taught to us in schools, is with India
Any effort to disturb the territorial status quo in a meaningful manner holds the threat of a conflict, even a nuclear exchange. Better for the three neighbours to live with what they have.
British must be biting their hands when US Army was being thrashed in Afghanistan
Why isnt the map to scale ? Huh ?