Frieren episode 26 reaction and commentary: The Height of Magic
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2024
- The Frieren reaction and commentary series continues with episode 26, The Height of Magic.
In Frieren episode 26, The Height of Magic, Ubel cuts through terrible exam design like a hot scissor cuts through Sense.
Frieren Synopsis: What is the source of magic?
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Ubel exists
Fandom: "I can fix her"
Goodwin: "She doesnt need fixing"
@@RoyMust4ng 😂 good one
We don't want to fix her, she's perfection already.
@@RoyMust4ng Ubel fixed the cloak exam
Frieren telling fern “I always underestimate you” could really also be seen as; you always exceed my expectations.
i think he's right, Frieren will always see Fern as a child, she doesn't see her as a full fledged mage, it's not about expectations, but about their specific relationship. When Frieren thinks about it, she knows Fern is relatively strong, which is why she allowed her to fight Lugner alone, but during daily life, Fern is just the little child that learnt magic a week ago.
or mean the clone underestimated Fern
Ubel feared Fern after knowing about the see-through-clothes spell.
The return of the golem spell! We actually saw it before in the first few episodes, dancing and spinning in a flashback to the delight of Frieren's old party. I appreciate the continuity in this show.
Y'know what I love most about Ubel? Is that she and her Power seem like they game straight out of Hunter x Hunter. Like, Honestly, she strikes me as a total Psychopath but one that is fully aware of that fact and decided to use it in her Magic.
Knowing full well that for someone like her, the most difficult things is being able to relate to people, she went and limited herself with a Magic that is both extremely difficult for her.... While also being incredibly powerful, of course. Aka, very much like someone like Kaito limiting himself on purpose with an annoying Power to use but in exchange he's become one of the most powerful Hunters out there. She simply gives me that kinda energy, that kind that is just "My biggest weakness will become my greatest weapon"
Remember that if the mages pass the first class exam they will get to learn any spell they want that exists in the entire world, which in this setting is the equivalent of getting one wish from the magic genie in our world. Can you imagine what people would do in our world to get whatever wish they wanted granted? Think about what people already do in real life for so, so much less. It makes total sense to me why mages would risk their lives trying to get this license. I can't pretend like I would be able to resist this level of temptation.
This is true. Maybe there's a real life analogy with money. Not everyone will sacrifice everything for it but there are definitely people who will
@@AGoodwinTVI mean I feel like comparing it to money is overly simplistic. What if the person you loved most was dying but there was a spell that could save them? I’d risk dying for that.
@@AGoodwinTV Also remember that this isn't just a license exam. An Imperial Court Mage at the peak of his power is taking this exam, and is amongst the very few taking this exam that actually should be. I don't think we have something analogous to this in real life. The closest I can think of is climbing Mt Everest. Your risk of dying is immense and only the most experienced and seasoned climbers should think of taking this challenge. All you get out of it is proof that you are amongst the very best mountain climbers. In a similar way, all you really get out of this exam is proof that you are amongst the very best mages. The added bonus of a wish and permission to travel in Ende is secondary to that.
That cloak test is singularly the most callously designed test I have ever seen, and I used to work in secondary education in Japan.
is it tho? I mean, i get that this comment section is hell bent on shitting on education systems with Goodwin, but i think most people are forgetting that if you become a high tier mage, yuo're gonna have to perform hard missions, and very likely fight demons, if there is not a strict selection on who passes, those mages are just gonna be killed the first mission they go to, if you can't even cast spells decent enought to at least slightly damage a passive defensive spells you're not gonna be surviving.
Now they could just let them all pass, and 90% of them would die within the next year because they don't have sufficient battle skills, would you be happier with this outcome?
I understand that hating on this mage exam and education system in general is a trend here, but it seems like hatred is making you blind. Burg's test wasn't callous at all. The conditions for qualification was to move him without killing. If a competitor was too strong, they'd need to have enough control to not kill him. If a competitor wasn't strong enough, they'd still have a chance because they didn't need to defeat burg, just find a way to move him. Burg's death wasn't because of stupidity, it's impossible to account for an unhinged psychopath like ubel who'd prioritize killing over qualification.
@@soumyajitmandal6028 😅 I suppose, for full disclosure, I'm still a teacher now. I teach Japanese at a university in the US. I agree with many things Goodwin says about education, but I am genuinely trying my best to do good within the system. I'm not hating on education for the sake of it. That said, this cloak test specifically is terrible, haha. When we make tests, especially certification or proficiency tests like these, we have to assume that a large number of test takers aren't yet proficient enough to pass, so we consider what their performance would look like. This was set up specifically such that anyone who has power but lacks control is very likely to injure or kill at least the proctor and possibly others, and needlessly so. Put the cloak on a mannequin or mana-based clone and you could still get all that info about how much you can move the cloak without hurting the wearer, all without putting people's lives at risk. So, to me, the risk of death seems like something they put in on purpose, and if that isn't "callous," then I don't know what is. 😅
@@Ryan_gogaku i highly doubt that putting the cloak on a mannequin would work. Burg is the one casting and maintaining the defensive magic on a otherwise regular cloak. Ever wondered why mages cast defensive magic mostly around themselves or people standing by them? That's because it's easier to visualize a shield around yourself than a random object. Burg had to be the one wearing the cloak to use it properly.
Logically, the chance of him getting killed was very little. Only a handful of extremely powerful mages could break through his defense and mages with so much power wouldn't have so little control. He might've gotten a little injured at best but death was completely unprecedented. Ubel is an anomaly. Her ability isn't supposed to work that way. Burg was just unlucky that he happened to face that one person who is delusional enough to defy common sense and unhinged enough to kill him.
@@soumyajitmandal6028 So you're saying that first-class mages, who pride themselves in their ability to "make the impossible possible," are not capable of designing a safer test that would demand control over power? It had to be that way? (I'm obviously only half serious, but the reason why I agree with Alex's criticism of this exam is it seems that many of the proctors lack a humility and care for test takers that sadly parallels many people in real world education systems or gatekeeping processes in general)
Frieren is so scary love the style and representation they gave her when she got serious
now imagine if we ever got the chance to see Serie got serious at some point in the manga.
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when she was fighthing match, she was just playing with that beast.
Even Frieren herself said she knows how terrifying she can be 🤣🔥💀
3:03 the cat is like wtf are you doing talking to yourself everyday for the last 3 years
I love this episode and your reaction. You were quick to take back liking Sense because you thought it was unfair that she wouldn't fight herself, but it turns out that Sense had already factored in that Ubel was the Scissors to Sense's Paper. I also like to think that Sense's clone didn't go for INSTANT kill shots because Sense's pacifism mixed with the Spiegel monster's hostility, and her clone knew that the golems could heal people, so her clone could get away with just critically injuring the test takers first. (I do think that the Spiegel could force the clone to kill if the fights prolonged.) I think Sense constructed a fair exam, personally.
I mostly agree with your take on Ubel. "Fascinating yet terrifying" is a good descriptor for her. She especially scary when you consider that to cut through that guy, she must have had to imagine cutting more than just cloth 😬.
Nice to see you got surprised by the fight hasn't ended in the last episode. If you know you have to look out for mana particles to confirm the kill of monsters, and it is shown every time in some capacity, it may have hinted at the fight wasn't over at that point. But as with many details in the show they are not invasive on your nose, but round it up and you may never catch them in just one pass of reading/watching. Contrary to what we have seen fights play out in Frieren culminate fast to being resolved, now the pattern is broken and the intensity prolonged for a full episode. Great story telling. The audience betrayal of expectation that this show manages to pull of in many tropes makes it so refreshing.
I think there is more to Ubel's power then self confience. That's part of it. But if that was a case any delusional person could smash through all defencive magic. And the world is full of delusional people. She has a genius level intutution. That lets he understand magic by feel. You can't cut through defensive spells unless you can visuallize perfectly the process by which you can cut through them (or bute force it). She can instinctively understand magic on a emotional level that lets her learn spells she doesn't understand. Similarly feel her way through the defensive magic weaknesses. So long as she can visualize cutting through it. And if the defensive spells looks like something she can easily visualize cutting through she can do it.
But the other half is important to. Being able to understand magic by feel. I don't think many mages could do that.
1) Ubel my queen!
2) its so cool watching the freiren clone have to bring out some other power that wasnt even recognizable as magic. Once again frieren stocks going up.
3) Ubel my Queen!
I think there's an aspect of the exam you forgot, these mages aren't here for the license specifically but for the benefits. For Denken, Frieren and Fern it's access the the northern plateau and beyond, as by law you have to be a 1st class mage or be accompanied by one to cross, kinda like a diplomatic passport. For other mages is getting any one spell they desire, given by Serie. Then there's Ubel. Of the important mages of this arc, i doubt any of them specifically care about being called a 1st class mage or having THE license, but they do care about the other benefits. I'd also guess that Sense took into account that Ubel is there when she decided to get into the tomb and have a clone of herself.
Methode is really strong, you can see in the shot with her that Fern's clone is already on the ground before it starts dissapearing so that means she had already beaten Fern's clone by the time Frieren destroyed the crystal, her confidence in being able to beat Fern wasn't without basis.
I don't know what was more threatening to Sense, Übel pointing a scissors directly to her chest or telling her she has pretty hair.
I think the restriction on killing was not a concern for the death of the proctor, but the accidental killing of fellow examinees through excessive and uncontrolled attempts to defeat the proctor.
this Ubel v Sense matchup is the only thing i can't quite understand, or to be precise, i understand why she easily beats the clone, but i don't understand why Sense says she can't imagine beating her, surely Sense can just use regular defensive magic that Ubel cannot cut, I'm slightly confused about the matter, but oh well, the scene was cool.
Aside that, the visuals of Frieren v Frieren were absolutely godlike, seeing Frieren cast real spells and not just Zoltraak was a real treat, she was just about shattering space-time with a miniature big bang in there :D
Similar to what Serie says about Frieren in the next episode, she put all her eggs in one basket and now she’s lacking skill in other things. Sense, without utilizing her hair, is probably a much weaker mage than Ubel. She’s relied on hair magic for so long that she can’t visualize herself being successful at utilizing other combat magic. I can be the greatest sniper/shooter in the world, but if you take away my long range weapon I’m cooked because I haven’t been training other forms of combat
Ubel's real talent is not in her magic, or her ability to copy those of others, but in the way she can switch her perspective completely to take advantage of how magic work in a limited time frame, short, but enough. a super power indeed.
At least will never be able to imagine cutting down a normal defensive spell cast as a shield, distant from its caster(else she cannot use the same defensive spell herself, which she really needs, considering the short range and application of her specialty spell.)
Kimblee from FMAB got isekai’d into Übel
Reelseiden is so interesting!
You mentioned wondering how Ubel would do with her technique against someone like Fern or Frieren. The answer, I think, is very badly. Ubel's main spell requires something she can visualise cutting. You see in her fight against Wirbel that it can easily be blocked by basic defensive magic, because she can't properly visualise cutting it the way she does with fabric/hair/bodies.
Fern and Frieren (and Denken, Wirbel and Methode) use basic defence spells to protect themselves, so she would struggle.
However, she does now know Wirbel's restraining spell, which gives her a much bigger advantage against simplistic magics, so who knows? (though Frieren would still be fine, almost certainly).
As another side note, you mentioned about thinking Methode was at great risk against Fern, but when the Spiegel dies and you see all the clones vanishing, in the shot with Methode, Fern's replica is already ashes, implying Methode might have won the fight before the Spiegel died.
So the thing with Ubel is more complex than her just being able to do whatever she can imagine. Frieren does a lot with extremes and showing their drawbacks. Demons for example are hyper-individualist and that extreme is part of what makes them monsters. Ubel is intuition taken to its extreme. She does everything through feelings and vibe. This allows her to do amazing things but it is also limiting in that she isn’t as good at taking a rational approach to a problem and as a result would struggle when her intuition or imagination fail her. For example she has trouble with basic defensive magic something another mage may be able to work around logically. Part of the thing that makes both Frieren and Serie so powerful is that they use both a rational and an intuitive approach to magic.
8:40 yeah… this is like having students test home made guns against your home made body armor then being surprised the guy wearing the armor dies. Why did he need to be in the cloak for this test?
precisely. thank you, haha
because the magic is being applied by him, it's not like the cloak innately has that magic applied to it, that's why he's a mage it's because he's the one doing it, it's like Sense's hair, he can't just throw it onto a mannequin or something. It works because he can visualize a shield being applied around him via the cloak, it would be much much harder to do that with a mannequin instead.
I was waiting for you to get to this episode ❤️🔥💪🏾and it's definitely not fair that Sense also entered the dungeon 🤣 like wtf you definitely made this 20x harder than us having to deal with Frieren alone 💀 thank goodness for Übel, she's so cool 🤣 & Fern did get high praise indeed! I guess she used that on the Demon King since it's been 80 years & it was forced? This anime hits so hard it's nuts 😂
I am continuously intrigued by the early education of children …
Those specific forms that gave us characters like Mozart. Through the early exposure with little consequence, or the cloistered extremism of Spartan Culture.
We may have been missing an important element of individual development that is born out of a more infant mind, out of childish anxieties, out of palpitation.
Also I don't hate Burg. He's dumb (or I guess reckless. He's clearly very intelegent is some ways.) but he didn't hurt anyone (other then himself). I just kind of feel bad about lossing such a promissing mage. The society shouldn't allow such reckless tests.
19:48 I don't think Sense thinks of Ubel as stupid, but more like she's borderline insane, she probably thinks Ubel is a genius, which she is in a way, and her failing does contradict Sense's statement about "first class mages make the impossible, possible". So i'd guess Sense would've probably passed Ubel after killing cloak guy if it was her test, but because cloak guy set the exam up as "if you kill me, you fail", she failed. Didn't like how the bird test was set up, nor the cloak test, but Sense's seems fine.
What don't you like about the cloak test? It seems like the most straightforward to me and it's even less dangerous than Sense's exam because there's zero chance of the testtakers dying or even being injured. All they had to do was to make him step back which can be done by somehow being strong enough to bypass his magic defenses, whilst wielding enough control to not kill him, or you could some other method like illusions.
Any plans for Apothecary Diary next mayhaps, nya?
I might be proved wrong later, but earlier Übel didn't disagree with Land saying that she learns spells by intuition and lacks understanding of the underlying principles; I suspect she intentionally stays ignorant of (academic) magic fundamentals for her signature magic to work better. It's much easier for her to visualize what she needs to if she actually can't perceive the strengths of her opponent on sight. I kind of hope it works this way because it makes her strong without being broken, there are a lot of scenarios where the lack of knowledge could be hazardous.
Yes, this is why she don't want know details from Denken. She just wants to act.
That’s a crazy thumbnail; I love it.
Thanks 😁
YOOO this is my favorite episode!
@@moss8809 definitely up there for me as well
This season and One Punch Man season 1 r the best looking seasons of anime of all time imo ( Chainsaw man and Violet Evergarden r also up there ), and funny enough both were made by the same studio, MADHOUSE!
i love Ubel
nice
Maybe I am crazy, but I dunno. I don’t connect with green hair girl same way other people do? I feel people keep calling her a murder and a sort of evil person and Hisoka like, but I dunno, I don’t see that at all.
Could be blinded by my love? But I constantly see others trying to characterize her and tell her what she is. But she never really responds to that. She just calmly listens and moves on doing her own thing, and lets others think what they want. She’s always very observant to everything around her like the lil traumatized kid in class.
Also I sew! Biggest mood with the fabric. For me I usually associate… smells with things. Don’t know how to really word it, but you can kinda just smell if something is right or wrong?
Green girl (sorry forgot name while writing this), feels… lonely to? But also a really kind person actually. Searching for something, she might not even know herself, and just kinda… testing herself and her oddities against the world, with a bit of pride sure, but also, sorta in order to maybe connect with others in her weirdness? Or maybe not connect, but… confirm something, dunno.
Like some earlier episodes people calling her all murdery and evil and stuff, while she literally done like nothing lol. Girl just be chillin there. At one point id start saying fuck it and go, you want me to be murdery? Aight bet. And people will sorta confirm their own biases the second she acts a way they expect?
She’s almost all rumors and defined by others, and when she does assert herself, it’s always in a way that scares others because of her ability and difference? But I sense no malice in that aspect of her.
Or maybe I am just blinded by green lust, who knows. I kinda see lots of… relatable traits in her though I guess.
She hasn't done nothing her introduction was Kraft appearing out of nowhere to beat up the bandits about to attack her. Because he found the last group of guys she killed and wanted to protect the bandits.
She sliced a guy in half and her reaction to doing so was a casual "whoops" with a smirk. I think you might be slightly blinded. She may not harbour aggressive malice, but she is at least a psychopath with no regard for life based on that scene alone. She was perfectly ok with murder by accident, so why would she be hesitant about doing it for gain (or amusement. she herself suggests that her replica would enjoy tormeting them)
Well, the slicing the guy in half thing was honestly pretty funny. Everyone was so high and mighty and all, “there’s no way anybody can defeat this cloak, not even worth considering, hehehe, I am awesome.” - all for her to shatter all that in an instant. And instead of passing like I feel she should, and the test giver was dumb and arrogant to put himself in that situation, she gets punished for not fitting within their rules and expectations. If I was in that situation too, ya can’t help but feel a bit of pride at that. Just saying “murder is bad” feels too simple.
Like Killua be going around murdering everywhere, but we still kinda see him as a “good guy”. He was also quite happy to rip a guys heart out in his test and give it back to him.
As for the bandits. That’s just some good old self defense. What anime protagonist haven’t murdered a bunch of bandits to show how op they are. She’s kinda… just honest about wanting to test herself almost and putting her in vulnerable situations where such encounters might occur, as opposed to others who might encounter those by chance, but I’m not sure that distinction is important?
@@keito204 well not killing was part of the exam for a reason, you need to be able to wield fine control of your power, especially if you're a mage skilled enough to actually bypass the defenses of that cloak. I think people forget that this is an exam to be a first-class mage, which is the highest level of mage in the organization, it's not like an entry level exam where you just need to showcase competency, being a first-class mage is akin to being a master of your craft, Ubel not being able to control the strength of her attack is a perfectly valid reason not to pass her.