Toyota GT86 Chasing M235i on Nürburgring Norschleife - 8:44BTG
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Typical busy tourist lap, except for a BMW M235i to chase! My car has Yokohama Advan AD08r's 225/45-17 and KW V1 suspension. Presumably, the BMW was stock on Michelin PSS tires.
Straight roads are for fast cars, corners are for fast drivers!
Syahmie Shahar im a corner guy rather than a straight hahaha
@@JesusIsLord7773 me too!
I'm stealing this line😁
Not true , you can put the worlds best driver in a mustang and he will still crash.
" if in doubt flat out " (Colin MC )
Ignore the critics, for a car that's hammered for being 'under powered' this proves it's all about the driver. It's a drivers car with manageable power that when driven correctly like the above can be very very quick. Spot on driving
Oooh the irony, I sold the GT86 last week and bought an M235i. Lmao. But yes, what you're saying is correct and applicable to any track & sport. Person behind the wheel makes everything. Also mind-set and willingness to risk more.
The tires also matter a lot on the track...You have a semi slick performance tires and coilovers on your car but what kind of tires were on the 235i? Very good driving nonetheless ;)
Filipe Martins you do know this track heavily favors cars with more power right?
Power is good,but handling is more important. As prooved when the GT86 catches up with the BMW on the corners.
@@Quaddriver2 what did you like about the BMW over the Toyota?
Gt 86 definitely doing good at those corners. Just like its dad.
Eurobeat commences!
If I was driving a 90s corolla and that chick was sitting in the front seat, I'd be chasing GTR's
No sir, you would be learning grammar.
@@shadmansudipto7287 But my Granny Mac Panny died, you taking a piss of me ol granny
His grammar is fine, idiot, maybe you should learn how to comprehend sentences
Petreu Do you've got Ligma ?
Simp
Great lines and very consistent...nice driving, fellow 86'er. This vid clearly shows how much of a great momentum car it is.
Rob C as a fellow “86er” and frequent track day attendee.. his lines were not great and his technique reminds me a lot of someone coming from “the streets” right to the track.. did you not hear his tires singing every corner or see his poor hand positioning..?
arent singing tires a sign of being close to tractionlimit and there fore good?
You're just upset that he got to smell the wet spot afterwards.
That car whit some 30hp more and some torque will be a giant killah
@@MElekiaZ yeah you can do an e85 tune and headers and you gain around 30wbhp and 25 torque (puts it probably at 240-250 bhp at the crack) look at some videos, e85 plus headers plus tune wins against an wrx sti in a drag...
You are an amazing driver, very well done.
Girl friends hair is a perfect g meter lol. Looks like a great way to spend a afternoon. Great drive 👍
The hot girl added an extra 100hp to his car ;) Sweet driving mate!
Nice smooth driving dude. Kudos to the passenger for not holding on to the "oh shit!" bar haha.
I really like the GT86’s interior can’t wait to have one
Really nice sounding 86! Great lap too.
Also the car seems very well balanced and straightforward to drive.
Gadamn! That was excellent driving! And only on 225 width tires! Gave that bmw a run for its money!
The horse is as good as it's night. A new title for your video. Or it's not about the dog in a fight, it's about the fight in the dog. Great driving skills. That BMW pulled on you every straight away, but you knew how to take them turns and put enough pressure on him until he made way for you(the better driver) in a slower car. If you guys were to switch cars you will lap him within 3 laps. Note: work on heel toe downshift and you can take off traction for even Better time. NICE JOB.
Solid driving there mate, nice balance between speed and necessary caution.
What a mad lad! You left the AC on!
You had 2 person in the 86, I wonder if the M2 had 1 or 2 person inside
I bought a 2013 FR-S new. After the first set of tires and an experiment with Bridgestone Potenza's, all I put on it was Michelin Pilot SS and now, Michelin Pilot S4's. I drove a 150 mile round trip commute to Louisville, about 2/3 of it on beautifully maintained Kentucky twisties. And never saw a cop on those roads. I went through nine sets of tires and 185k miles. Then the pandemic hit a year ago and I work from home. Now I drive it to church on Sundays to make sure the seals don't rot. I'm selling it.
I "raced" to work every day and that video kinda reminded me of my commute except I didn't brake much. My first brake job was at 142k miles. I used the gears to brake a lot (manual Transmission). I've gotten my fill of hard twisty driving, and that car lived up to its reputation. It had all the power I need and is the most fun I've ever had in a car. I'm old school and that car was a LOT better than my old Opel GT. :)
That was stunning! Now I want my 86 back even more :(
Multiple reasons, but one major thing is that the insurance increased so much over the years (much more than a Porsche) and there were several little issues where Toyotas Service was very bad. I bought an Mazda MX5 ND instead. The general cost of the MX5 are much less and for me the engine feels a lot sportier (despite the low redline at 6,7k rpm [which they fixed in the 2018 variant, damn it :D]). Also the low weight is very attractive. Problem: The car is so super tiny that for me with gf and dog I can't use it anymore as a daily driver (which the GT86 would have been capable off) [got the dog aprox 1 year after the MX5 so I didn't see that coming]). If you have any further questions just ask :)
No worries, doesn't cost me anything but a few minutes to reply ;) Yeah that topic is problematic - in general for used cars. Tbh i'd go with something alot cheaper for the beginning. If you don't have the small-car-problem then i'd definetly would look out for a cheap MX5 NA / NB and learn driving, drifting etc. with that car. In worst case you can wreck it and did just loose a fraction of what you would loose when wrecking an GT86. Furthermore you can do much more yourself on these cars (even timing belts are no problem if you read some manuals etc.). With that you can see if that hobby is really something for you, you got a lot of experience and maybe wisely used your money otherwise.
It's time for some eurobeat
this would be great with running in the 90s :D
1. Pause the video
2. Open new tab, RUclips search "Running in the 90s and Deja Vu"
3. Play both video in new tab
4. Resume the current video you watch
5. Eurobeat Intensifies
Just remember. Everybody in Initial D laughed at the underpowered AE86 - and it pretty much crushed every competition thrown at it in the earlier seasons.
The GT86/BRZ/FR-S is the descendant of the AE86 Trueno. It's not an MR2, nor a Celica, nor a Supra, nor is it some Subie. It's an AE86.
Uncle Bill it ain't bro. It's to heavy. Only the mx5 is right now
Please stop talking about anime like it's a real thing that happened.
First of all, even if it *was* based in reality, Takumi had years of experience on the roads they raced and cheated by grabbing gutters and other crap like that. He also only raced downhill races against unskilled teenagers in heavier cars on tight mountain roads with lots of hairpins and short straights where the AE86 performs at its best.
Calling the 86 platform an AE86 is a slap in the face to the new 86. The old 86 was a box truck and while I kind of like it in its own way for its unassuming looks and lightweight tossability, the new 86 looks passable for a Ferrari and the chassis and suspension are about as no compromise as you can get for a high volume low cost sports car. Furthermore, the styling is based on the 2000GT from the 60's, so if anything it's a very affordable successor to that car. The new 86 isn't a descendant of anything, it's a completely new fork that takes the best of Toyota's past and puts it all together. With some better tires and right power mods it will take down supercars, I don't think a Sprinter Trueno ever was capable of that.
Kind went over the point I was trying to make about the sentiments people had in regards to the AE86 in the anime (and possibly why the AE86 is so little known in real life aside from otaku and the serious racing communities) and how that parallels peoples distaste towards the GT86' lack of straight-ward power in modern times or how obsessive they are in regards to numbers and horsepower figures.
but ok
You can obsess over the "GT" part of the name and how it links the 86 to the 2000GTs legacy (which I definitely won't deny as that's why the design cues and "GT" exist there in the first place as it's Toyota announcing it's return to it's sports car heritage) and completely forget that GT86 also has the "86" part to it's name which also links it to the (what little) legacy the AE86 has. The point is, the GT86 is a spiritual successor to the AE86 in terms of performance and driving philosophy (that's why in the US it's called a Toyota 86 not a Toyota GT - whereas it's called Toyota GT86 internationally). This is why Toyota has been so reluctant to boost the cars power output or add any turbo to it for the past five years; they don't want to betray it's spirit even though a good chunk of it's market certainly doesn't understand it. It's a light momentum car that's supposed to be good at consistently maintaining higher speeds at turns - like the original 86. It's a drivers car. A good introduction to one as well. It's not specifically designed for performance like the S2000 - but in that alone it parallels the AE86 even more as a practical drivers car.
You can deny the glaring reality that this car - like it's predecessors - isn't going to beat your buddies in Mustangs and Corvettes in the straights, but that's not the point. I'm trying to make you realize what this car is - a drivers car. Mustangs or Corvettes aren't drivers cars - this is; a more mature perspective into driving and cars and a full appreciation for the hobby in it's purest totality. Granted, if you're North American I can understand why you might feel insecure about the GT86 lacking power. Nobody really knows what the the AE86 is which is why people get confused it doesn't have the power of a Supra or a Subaru (cars North Americans do know) and Toyota has to suffer the consequences of misplaced expectations.
The 86 was because of the bore and stroke, anything else is anime fan dreaming.
They haven't added power because the selling volume is already too low to make much profit and an even more limited turbo would need to be too expensive compared to what people would pay and would embarrass the WRX STI and upcoming Supra replacement as well as current Lexus high-end models. Furthemore, no matter how much power it had, people would still complain, so they'd rather let the aftermarket cover supercharging and turbocharging, of which there are mountains of options. Personally, I don't boost my car because it would need to be running sub 12s 1/4 miles to be exciting from acceleration alone and at that point it would be too expensive and likely unreliable to daily drive and I already have a race kart if I really want to go bonkers fast. Besides, at any legal speeds it's already plenty fast if you know how to drive, only people in automatics or that can't drive manual properly think otherwise.
Lol who are you kidding, the AE86 was a Toyota Corolla that they shaved two doors off of.
So by proxy the GT86/BRZ/FRS is also a Toyota Corolla.
Got it.
Wow great driving, way to show that bmw!
Great driving by the GT86 driver, Girls got nice legs.. :P That being said, everyone is quick in traffic to a degree. Still, it looks like you know the track, and knowing the track makes all the difference. Those that said a 200hp hatch is quicker sometimes than modern Ferrari's and shit... Stop playing Forza... they are just cautious with a 300K + car while a 200hp hatch is replaceable all day.
Passing a GT4?? That driver doesn’t deserve that car! 😆 Nice driving!
The m235i is mighty! It just pulled away from the gt86 so quickly every time the road is clear
it seams that bmw driver was just a regular driver, who bought a new car and wanted to test it.
Excellent driving. If the 86 had more power. You could easily pass those. My BRZ is lovely to drive.
Had a gt86 a year ago, then i got a golf R 2015 and now im rocking the m235i. Great cars.
How do you like the Beemer? what are the main differences in driving?
I love the beemer, i also loved the gt86, but with the beemer you just get so much more overall. Driving wise, they are both great cars. Loved the gt86 on some backroads with tight corners. Same with the m235i. The thing i love the most about the m235i is that when you're just cruising around it is such a refined and comfortable ride, then you turn on Sport+ and you got an incredibly fun and sporty car. And even in a straight line, it really feels fast. The gt86, not so much. You really gotta push that car through tight corners to get the feeling that it is quick.
And the balance in the beemer is just incredible. And to top it all off, the m235i looks incredible. Though the first thing i did was to get rid of the awful stock wheels that really does'nt do the car justice. With some updated wheels and M performance exhaust, it's one hell of a car.
Im currently considering the M235i after enjoying the GT86 but wanting more straight line thrills and getting pinned back in my seat. I also want something nicely balanced but with the ability to drift. Do you have the LSD installed on yours? I really enjoyed the power and sound of the 370z so maybe I want a smallish nimble car that's fast, loud and exciting to drive with the ability to get drifty relatively easily if i want.
Goals!!! That’s all I ever talk about with my girl how I can’t wait to start going to the track and how it would be awesome if she’s my copilot.
8:24 you know what really grinds my gears?
BMW 326hp beat by a 200hp :D that's all i have to say
+Gas Pedal Subscribe yeah right, and as you can see theres a lot of traffic that stuck the m2 to go further
That’s why it is no longer that Ultimate Driving Machine! Maybe Subaru should be called that.
I think the BMW let him pass
许毓冰 Maybe but the point is it can KEEP UP.
Gas Pedal Subscribe big difference in risking trashing a £15k to £30k than a £200k motor
More power > less grip> more weight > more grip> lack power > more power> more weight> more grip> more power> more weight> more grip. congratz you got yourself a 2 ton audi r8
Excellent driving - brave passenger.
Good driving! Both drivers got excellent skills!
I love my FRS. Nice driving mate!
Stock tires? I think not sir.
hatchiroku on fire!
Impressive!!! I think I'm getting one after my bachelor's degree.
Dang! Skills man,Skills. I love my BRZ even more!
Best 8 mins of my life
Pursuing its legacy, hachiroku losing in the straights but always catching up and overtakes in corners.
Great driving, she seems to be nervous
Due to vibrations
great driving, and tasteful mods!
[Eurobeat Intensifies]
gt86 has better cornering than bmw
and now you can drive home and still get 35mpg. ha :)
Great driving. I am not trying to take anything away from you but there are a lot of reasons to why 86 can overtake the Bmw in the end.
1. Good driving, probably better driver who knows the track better.
2. a lot of traffic that stops the Bmw from shaking 86 off entirely. Every time Bmw try to pull ahead he has to slow down because not every one let him pass immediately and that's when 86 catches up.Also, for every one that says gt 86 catches up in the corner because the distance between the cars got a lot shorter, I have to disagree. Even if you have 2 exact same cars, the distance between the cars during corner is always going to be shorter than in straights because both cars are slower. The Bmw also has to slow down even more in the corners regardless of skills if the traffic infront of him slowed down.
4. In the end the Bmw just let him pass probably don't want to handle the pressure of some one constantly tailing him.
Put two equally skilled driver in the two cars with the same suspension, anti roll bar and tire upgrade then, I am confident that the Bmw 235i will come out on top of every traffic-free track, straight or curvy. the raw horse power and chassis rigidity is just there. If the BMW is xdrive, then there is no competition
Of course the M235i is a faster car. I confirm that, I currently own one with 400hp. Check out my other videos on the channel.
Impressive drive
m235i is a much faster car. You can see the power difference at Bergwerk climb starting at 4:21. The reason the 86 is keeping up because there is so much traffic and the BMW is taking the corners slower (more carefully). Both great cars but an 86 could not keep up with a m235i -at all- on an empty track with the same driver.
That's some nice driving!
the real fight begun in the consecutive corners
Very nice driving in the 86!
Hmmm.. the distance become further at straight road. but become closer at corner. It's proving that the gt86 has better cornering than bmw.
Wishandy Liputra I love BMW's but I will have to disagree with you here. The BMW dose handle Bette than the gt86 how ever it's all about the driver. Who has the bigger balls to corner at high speeds and not think about wrecking their toy. In this video the better driver won, simple.
Sinar Seen yeah right, since i saw the gt86 specs, she has quite low engine position which has an adv of centre of gravity than bmw. Thats why i said that. But the words of depend on the driver is another problem. 😀
Sinar Seen Lol GT86 has better handling 100% no question about it.
Hmm... where have I've heard of an "Eighty-Six" that's better at cornering than fast car....
We have an m240 xdrive, corners like a beast but the 86/brz tends to hold its corners better with the proper tires and suspension upgrade.
Of course our bmw has stupid expensive tires. Brz wont match it however. But still thats comparing a 30k car to one that costed nearly 70k
Damn, I'm interested to know how the brakes felt throughout the lap. 🤔
I’m running KW ClubSports with 17x9 wheels and 245/40 MSS tires & I can keep up with anything on a curvy track and outrun quite a few more powerful cars. The 86 platform is exceptionally well balanced , but Driver Mod FTW.
We need some Initial D eurobeat for this driver. All he wanted was to deliver some Tofu and that BMW kept blocking the way :D 86 for the win!
Man, I wish I could drive like you.
The 235 has enough hp for straight line with smooth corner, but here maybe too much hp for this type of drive (hard corner, etc....) ? And the turbo is not really a good deal for hard cornering drive.
And yeah, the driver does the thing too.
The secret techinque using the storm drain?
What are you talking about? Turbo > Na corners or not. This car would be faster by 1 min if id had turbo and +300hp
+DuBstep115 turbo is definitely faster in every aspect but it's nicer to do track driving with NA as it is more predictable and gives you more confidence especially if you not a regular to track days.
@@Beowulf95 nice reference!
The 235 driver is useless. The GT86 driver is less useless.
I regularly drive GT86/BRZ quite quickly - it's a nice car. It has good balance and inspires confidence. It could do with more power.
My weekend drive is a 944T - it has a bit more power and a bit more weight than an 86/BRZ and has 30+ year old suspension, making it more twitchy. In the dry a GT86 wouldn't see where I went.
The BMW was wrong - either it was badly set up (eg incorrect tyre pressures) or the driver had limited talent, or both. Without extra power a GT86 should only keep up in the corners.
At this level the most important component is the nut behind the wheel.
200 HP VS 326
He was driving with Arnold in the back. I could hear him say "Ja ja, fuhstuh fuhstuh. Get to ze choppa".
This car being underpowered means it’s far more rewarding to drive
Excellent driving
Subbed because of this one video. I need more, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Arms are way too straight for spirited driving!!!! Decent driving though. Reckon you'd be even quicker if you adjust your driving position. I'm no expert though lol
I'm looking at its legs this is a tall person he's sitting all the way back and probably even has a seat reclined no choice but to leave his arms stretched out straight great driving
Sid 57 if I were him I'd get a steering wheel spacer.
Very nice. My dream is to drive this track with a modded E46 or E92 M3. :)
You drive very well mate! Well done!
5:06 sound like diesel generator. Don't get me wrong, i love the car
0:55 the downshift at redline, yummy
New benchmark vehicle? Move aside M drivers...
Love this onboard! Which camera do you use?
What a sweet driving man
Best Drive bro
Sounds great.
Great driving, great car. I have 2!
In a mountain road you'll destroy him, great drive :)
That was great fun...on the limits at time but that car is so well balanced...was everything stock including tyres??
Good job.
Oh shit...stayed on it and got him
It's all about the driver. And if you're familiar with the track you're driving on.
I've seen a Mazda mx5 nd chase Porsches down on this track, and it passed many bmws and other high caliber cars.
Driver first, car second 👍
So how long did your clutch last in the 86? I don't see any rev matching at all.
Never had any clutch issues.
The chick adds weight to the car but still nice ride! ;-)
Amazing driving!
Nice driving!
When they say "oH ThE gT86 Is vERy sLoW " show them this video.
Then they say “nooo das modified sho me stok car”
u r an awesome driver!! really good work.
is the engine stock?
Nice job. However, I highly doubt the M235i driver was being serious, considering they were sitting behind other cars for a while.
Tyres are the most important thing when "tuning" a car. As we can see here. ;-)
It’s a matter of the chassis and of the driver but I doubt that the BMW car is worse in curves than the Toyota, so it was the pilote who made the difference, if my deduction is right i.m.h.o.
lol she only grabbed the handles one time @ 8:15. That understeer was scary! lol
man nice car and driving, the guy of the Bmw has so angry until today hahahahahaha
Im looking into buying m235i or gt86, can u tell me which was more fun for u and better as daily! Thanks
Awesome video
Passenger looks hot!
86 will always be my favorite. But i saw your arms are almost straight and you knees are almost touching the front, which is very uncomfortable. You are too tall for this car. i think you need a steering wheel extender.
I wonder how tall he is,I want an 86 some day I hope i'm not too tall
@john smith I'm 6'3" and love my BRZ, plenty comfortable.
That black Porsche didn't appear to be a tourist.
All I see is the BMW got slowed down in corners with all the traffic. The 86 chased it up when that happened.
you are awesome thx for the video
I own one. For my intermediate level of driving it's more than suitable on a back road but in commute city driving, the lack of mid torque CAN be fucking exasperating. But I forgive it because it's such a special little machine. I even forgive those ridiculously sadistically Japanese headrests that angle your face into your crotch.
Wonder if you still see these comments.
Do you think the GT86 is a good learning/novice's car? From what I've heard, it's light, agile, and has 30+ MPG.
I do believe the GT86 is good novice sports car, it was for me. Easy to modify and doesn't break the bank.
Nice driving! What tires do you use?
thanx ESP :D
Cant blame anyone for using ESP on wreckring, the most dangerous track, would rather have the electronic guardian angel step in 10 times than save my car 9 times in a badass skid and then total it the 10th time.
Where is your camera mounted? Side of helmet? Just curious because I want to recreate the same view