Quick Comments; A. The How: You do NOT want the pressure (impact) of the procedure to be directed through the balls of the bearing. Thus, the punch is shaped and sized to press on the outer race, never the balls, nor the inner race. B. What is in the name? Machinists will recognize the bearing fit as 'Press Dot's. 'Friction Fit is like a can on a stud requiring some wiggle to fit or remove. C. Why, Oh, Why: Why only 5 balls in the bearing? It does not reduce friction. It does not make the bearing much heavier. Cost increase is negligible. Increasing the balls count significantly reduces end-play and increases reliability. Thanks for a very good, educational show!
Thanks again Mark! If I’m making anvils and punches is mild steel ok for the punches? And brass and mild ok for the anvils? I don’t have the tools for cutting hardened steel.
It's nice description about eta movement ..I'm very happy when i saw this video's in RUclips please go forward like this in feature also ...thnx regards....mercybecoupe...😊
Love your videos. I have a omega Seamaster DeVille with a 670 movement. Problem is the rotor works and winds mainspring. Hand winding doesn't work? But setting time is fine? I'm not sure if the omega 670 is rotor moved only?
This is the common problem in Eta machines the roater bearing loosen. We do not replace the bearing because that is not available in my country. We repair and tight the bearin again.
Hello and thank you for your video! I have an automatic watch and I'd like to take a photo of the mechanism. Can I remove the back lid myself or is it better to ask someone at the repairs to do it? Thanks in advance
My tag link Calibre 5 is not holding charge. Even handing winding 300turns doesn't get it going. Manual vigorous hand rotation swings for 4-5minutes keep it going for only 1-2hours? What so you think could be the problem?
I have a quick question, I recently purchased a Certina DS Podium with the eta 2824-2 and noticed when hand winding it there is a metal sliding on metal noise and the crown is hard to turn, and it spins the rotor. I just received this brand new watch last week. I want to get rid of it, I'm not happy that a swiss watch movement has this common issue but the only watch even close to what I'm looking for is the Oris Aquis with the SW200-1, a clone of the eta 2824. Does the SW200 have this same common reversing wheel issue? I dont want to buy up in to the same damn issue. Thanks. FYI the certina is going back to certina or jomashop, whoever is easier.
I have a similar problem on my automatic watch, if I leave the rotor bearing like that will it cause damage to the movement in the long run or not? I don't care too much about the noise when shaken, and in my case it doesn't scratch the back of the case. Thank you!
Ok so after watching a few of your videos and others I have purchased a case, dial, hands and an ETA 2824 movement. Bold steps! Before I start on my project I have a few things that I am not too clear on. Firstly how is the second hand held on top of the minute and hour? I can't seem to find how it is secured. Secondly can anyone point out to me where exactly I need to press/screw to remove the crown and stem. Thirdly once the crown is back in and the movement is in the case what steps do I need to take then, for example securing, silicon greasing the rubber seal etc. Any help, direction, links would be greatly appreciated.
OMG where to begin? This fellow has entire on-line video courses clearly demonstrating why there are still actual, real, live classroom schools that laboriously teach watch repair and watch making. Jumping into a video thread and asking someone these sorts of questions is embarrassing. This makes me think of the recent Trump appointee who could not admit having done a single basic legal procedure during hearing questioning (thankfully he had the decency and sense to withdraw his name). "Excuse me Mr. Penske, I really want to get into NASCAR right away. Can you just point out which thingie is the carburetor?"
Hi there, Do you think if my Breitling with eta 2824-2 rotor feels like it's a bit loose inside it's because of the worn ball bearing or it could also just because a loosen rotor screw? Which is the more likely? Thank you in advance.
hello Mark. One quick question, I have an old Seiko 6139 and its winding weight doesn't seem to be rotating/falling as freely as it should be. what could be causing this? I don't notice any woble from the rotor.
Hi I'm really confused how does the rotor actually wind the main spring, because with my nh35a I can see the barrel turn when hand winding but I never see it move when the rotor turns? Is something wrong with my movement or is there something I can't see makes no sense how it could be automatic if the barrel doesn't turn.
No - see my other video for the bearing replacement on a 7750 and 2892.a2 How to replace rotor bearing on an automatic watch. Valjoux 7750 + 2892-A2. Watch repair tutorials.
Watch Repair Channel I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said 7750. I Really meant omega 1154 which is actually a refined 7750. It looked like a friction fit to me, that's why I asked.
Actually you cannot replace the bearing on the Omega 1154 - the Weight is replaced as a complete assembly. It is possible to replace with a 7750 weight, bolt and bearing with the owners consent as the original Omega part is very expensive.
do you have any advice about my 2824 movement seemingly not building a reserve? it seems as though the rotor is moving perfectly freely but after a few revolutions springs and unwinds before a clutch (not sure if there is one, this seemed the best description) stopped it unwinding. it keeps good time and seems fine except the inability to wind itself.
Another great informative video Mark, thanks. Would you be willing to make me one of those stake blocks if I send you a staking block? I don't have a lathe yet.
Actually it will be easy if you heated up the rotor to make the hole Loos or do the opposite by cooling down the bearing will so it will shrink and fit easily in the rotor hole then as it acquired the room temperature it will stuck to the rotor that how they assembled it in the factory
You put Epilome on just the rotor bearing and dry it quickly with a hairdryer. Then a tiny drop of 9010 oil on the end of a black Bergeon oiler applied to one ball bearing and only one. Then you take a round broach that fits the center opening of the rotor about halfway up the broach. Seat the rotor on the broach gently with your tweezers and then turn the broach so that it is horizontal and with a piece of pegwood spin the rotor gently. (BTW the reason for the one tiny drop of oil is that any more than that and the ball bearings will slip instead of roll. No oil and the ball bearings will drag instead of roll. Any of these things happening causes flat spots on the ball bearings and creates the play in the rotor you saw during the first part of the video). (Round broach not cutting broach!!!) I hope this helps and answers your question.
hi there, thank you for your videos. I recently stupidly went on a few bike rides wearing my automatic watch, and now I can really hear the rotor spinning. could this "wobble" be why it is now so loud? do I have to replace the bearing? thanks so much
always and never I wear my watches operating heavy machinery and only once has my rotor came loose and caused noise. Just needed to tighten the rotor and it was fixed in 10 seconds after opening the caseback.
Not even 1% better than miyota 8215 and charged 100s or 1000s times more than that. Servicing this overpriced crap is expensive than getting a new miyota .
Mark did install this Bearing correctly. You can plainly see that the Punch was pushing on the side of the Gear. The Bearing is located slightly lower in the Gear so the Punch never came close to pushing on the inner race. Mark even comments about damaging Bearings if you use the wrong Punch and push on the inner race.
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Quick Comments;
A. The How: You do NOT want the pressure (impact) of the procedure to be directed through the balls of the bearing.
Thus, the punch is shaped and sized to press on the outer race, never the balls, nor the inner race.
B. What is in the name? Machinists will recognize the bearing fit as 'Press Dot's. 'Friction Fit is like a can on a stud requiring some wiggle to fit or remove.
C. Why, Oh, Why: Why only 5 balls in the bearing? It does not reduce friction. It does not make the bearing much heavier. Cost increase is negligible. Increasing the balls count significantly reduces end-play and increases reliability.
Thanks for a very good, educational show!
Short, sweet and absolutely to the point. Excellent!
Hi Will - many thanks for your kind words :)
Amazing setting of the bearing!
This was great. Please tell me, how did you remove the steel from the stake? A graver seems difficult. Some drill or burr bit off-center?
this will be a big help when i repair my vostok... thanks!
Thanks again Mark! If I’m making anvils and punches is mild steel ok for the punches? And brass and mild ok for the anvils? I don’t have the tools for cutting hardened steel.
It's nice description about eta movement ..I'm very happy when i saw this video's in RUclips please go forward like this in feature also ...thnx regards....mercybecoupe...😊
Love your videos. I have a omega Seamaster DeVille with a 670 movement. Problem is the rotor works and winds mainspring. Hand winding doesn't work? But setting time is fine? I'm not sure if the omega 670 is rotor moved only?
Absolutely love your work! Fantastic videos!
Cheers Bazza
This is the common problem in Eta machines the roater bearing loosen. We do not replace the bearing because that is not available in my country. We repair and tight the bearin again.
Hello and thank you for your video! I have an automatic watch and I'd like to take a photo of the mechanism. Can I remove the back lid myself or is it better to ask someone at the repairs to do it? Thanks in advance
Thanks great video, l have the same issue, hope to find the rotor bearing for my 7002 seiko.
Terrific tutorial, thank you!
My tag link Calibre 5 is not holding charge. Even handing winding 300turns doesn't get it going. Manual vigorous hand rotation swings for 4-5minutes keep it going for only 1-2hours? What so you think could be the problem?
I have a quick question, I recently purchased a Certina DS Podium with the eta 2824-2 and noticed when hand winding it there is a metal sliding on metal noise and the crown is hard to turn, and it spins the rotor. I just received this brand new watch last week. I want to get rid of it, I'm not happy that a swiss watch movement has this common issue but the only watch even close to what I'm looking for is the Oris Aquis with the SW200-1, a clone of the eta 2824.
Does the SW200 have this same common reversing wheel issue? I dont want to buy up in to the same damn issue. Thanks. FYI the certina is going back to certina or jomashop, whoever is easier.
What lub would you use for the ball bearings when doing a service on an automatic watch such as this?
I have a similar problem on my automatic watch, if I leave the rotor bearing like that will it cause damage to the movement in the long run or not? I don't care too much about the noise when shaken, and in my case it doesn't scratch the back of the case. Thank you!
It will eventually fall apart and the little balls will fall out. You should have it replaced as it will scratch the movement bridges
Ok so after watching a few of your videos and others I have purchased a case, dial, hands and an ETA 2824 movement. Bold steps!
Before I start on my project I have a few things that I am not too clear on.
Firstly how is the second hand held on top of the minute and hour? I can't seem to find how it is secured.
Secondly can anyone point out to me where exactly I need to press/screw to remove the crown and stem.
Thirdly once the crown is back in and the movement is in the case what steps do I need to take then, for example securing, silicon greasing the rubber seal etc.
Any help, direction, links would be greatly appreciated.
OMG where to begin? This fellow has entire on-line video courses clearly demonstrating why there are still actual, real, live classroom schools that laboriously teach watch repair and watch making. Jumping into a video thread and asking someone these sorts of questions is embarrassing. This makes me think of the recent Trump appointee who could not admit having done a single basic legal procedure during hearing questioning (thankfully he had the decency and sense to withdraw his name). "Excuse me Mr. Penske, I really want to get into NASCAR right away. Can you just point out which thingie is the carburetor?"
Hi there,
Do you think if my Breitling with eta 2824-2 rotor feels like it's a bit loose inside it's because of the worn ball bearing or it could also just because a loosen rotor screw? Which is the more likely? Thank you in advance.
hello Mark. One quick question, I have an old Seiko 6139 and its winding weight doesn't seem to be rotating/falling as freely as it should be. what could be causing this? I don't notice any woble from the rotor.
Hi I'm really confused how does the rotor actually wind the main spring, because with my nh35a I can see the barrel turn when hand winding but I never see it move when the rotor turns? Is something wrong with my movement or is there something I can't see makes no sense how it could be automatic if the barrel doesn't turn.
what is the brand/model of the microscope used?
Hi mark
Is the 2834 the same movement as the 2824 in design and take down is the same?
My Self - Winder Watch has a self-winder with a broken axle. And there are no screws for opening it so you have any idea and make a video?
Thanks Mark, Fascinating.
thanks for your wonderful videos!
For that kinda fix how much does that usually run?
The screw you unscrew is broken in my watch. Is there a fix for my situation ??
They actually make a hand press for removing and installing these, since there are so many out there.
ALLSOME video Excellent watch smith! :)
Hi, really informative video, may I know where can I get these holder and punchers u are using in the video?
It's called a Staking Set. You can get them from Horological suppliers or eBay
Watch Repair Channel Thanks for the info, really appreciated ;)
www.ebay.com/itm/NICE-COMPLETE-VINTAGE-KENDRICK-DAVIS-K-D-SPECIAL-STAKING-TOOL-SET/253459152963?hash=item3b0357c043:g:EAUAAOSwIrpaqDvZ
Very good vídeo, Brasil ok.
Excellent! Thanks!
It's really precious too.
Very nice video and i like it...
Great video! Does this also apply for a 7750?
No - see my other video for the bearing replacement on a 7750 and 2892.a2 How to replace rotor bearing on an automatic watch. Valjoux 7750 + 2892-A2. Watch repair tutorials.
Watch Repair Channel
I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said 7750. I Really meant omega 1154 which is actually a refined 7750. It looked like a friction fit to me, that's why I asked.
Actually you cannot replace the bearing on the Omega 1154 - the Weight is replaced as a complete assembly. It is possible to replace with a 7750 weight, bolt and bearing with the owners consent as the original Omega part is very expensive.
My friend did you have a nail clippers?????
excellent video.
What kind of lighting do you use?
do you have any advice about my 2824 movement seemingly not building a reserve?
it seems as though the rotor is moving perfectly freely but after a few revolutions springs and unwinds before a clutch (not sure if there is one, this seemed the best description) stopped it unwinding.
it keeps good time and seems fine except the inability to wind itself.
Another great informative video Mark, thanks. Would you be willing to make me one of those stake blocks if I send you a staking block? I don't have a lathe yet.
Hi Micky - thanks mate :)
Happy to do this for you - PM me.
Watch Repair Channel Will do Mark when I get a minute, busy with a horrible 2836 clone right now.
Actually it will be easy if you heated up the rotor to make the hole Loos or do the opposite by cooling down the bearing will so it will shrink and fit easily in the rotor hole then as it acquired the room temperature it will stuck to the rotor that how they assembled it in the factory
Great vids mark. Keep up the great work and the uploads :)
Thank you Suj :)
Really good
Hello :)
1 question how you buy all you stuff?
Regards Lukas :)
Sometimes from retired watch repairers (auctions), eBay, Horological suppliers
Very good 👍👍👏👏👏👏👏👏
Bravo!
Thanks mark im going to make of those my self one now best regards ady
Yes - it's very handy. I had to use a carbide graver to cut the stake as the HSS graver struggled.
What is the name of this tool?
The bearings work without any lubrication at all, don't they need a little oil to reduce friction ?
You put Epilome on just the rotor bearing and dry it quickly with a hairdryer. Then a tiny drop of 9010 oil on the end of a black Bergeon oiler applied to one ball bearing and only one. Then you take a round broach that fits the center opening of the rotor about halfway up the broach. Seat the rotor on the broach gently with your tweezers and then turn the broach so that it is horizontal and with a piece of pegwood spin the rotor gently.
(BTW the reason for the one tiny drop of oil is that any more than that and the ball bearings will slip instead of roll. No oil and the ball bearings will drag instead of roll. Any of these things happening causes flat spots on the ball bearings and creates the play in the rotor you saw during the first part of the video).
(Round broach not cutting broach!!!)
I hope this helps and answers your question.
What is the rotor for
This video makes me want to learn watchmaking.
Cool - go for it :) that's why I am doing this.
Do your service or repair replicas?
you should make those little tools and sell them. Bergeons version with plastic handle is over 100$.
What bergeon tool?
hi there, thank you for your videos. I recently stupidly went on a few bike rides wearing my automatic watch, and now I can really hear the rotor spinning. could this "wobble" be why it is now so loud? do I have to replace the bearing? thanks so much
Just means your barrel is to full reserve.
always and never I wear my watches operating heavy machinery and only once has my rotor came loose and caused noise. Just needed to tighten the rotor and it was fixed in 10 seconds after opening the caseback.
My oscillating weight has come loose after I dropped the watch would this cause the watch to stop?
No oil or greese??😮
Bastava tirare a folga e ficava bom.
LOL...its made out of quite thin metal. No welding it then .
You post useful videos. Thank you! Keep them coming :P :) (Can you do one with tools? :D )
Not original´= shit material
Originalˇ= not problem winding
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Not even 1% better than miyota 8215 and charged 100s or 1000s times more than that. Servicing this overpriced crap is expensive than getting a new miyota .
You're supposed to press on the outer ring of the bearing, when pressing it in. You're spoiling the bearings, and giving wrong advice.
Mark did install this Bearing correctly. You can plainly see that the Punch was pushing on the side of the Gear. The Bearing is located slightly lower in the Gear so the Punch never came close to pushing on the inner race. Mark even comments about damaging Bearings if you use the wrong Punch and push on the inner race.