[EN] ETA or Sellita movements? Do you know what are they and what are the differences?
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On today's episode: probably most of you know what ETA and Sellita are, but what's the story behind them and what are the differences between them.?
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This needed saying. My most reliable pieces are ETA and Sellita. My favourite piece is the IWC MKxvIII. Sellita 300. or ETA 2892-a2. Fabulous movement
Thanks for educating me on this elusive subject. I purchased a Marathon 41mm GSAR and it features the Sellita SW 200-1 movement. I was wondering what drove Marathon too change movements. Your explanation of where businesses were driven to fits with their need to continue to supply the demand for their Mil-Spec driven products. I now know why I have 26 jewels and that while it might not necessary, it does not hurt and might be considered an improvement. Also, learning that outside standardized movements are often as good or even better than in-house movements was nice to know. I now feel confident that there was no compromise on the historical quality as a result of Marathon's business decisions.
Thanks for your very informative and thorough video. FYI, Ébauche in French means draft or outline and that's why in an horological context it refers to the raw, unfinished movement, devoid of any embellishment or finishing that is sold to a watchmaker.
This is excellent and informative.
I almost clicked away from this video because while the history is interesting on its own, it is the differences I am interested in, then about 20 minutes in was all the information i was looking for. Great video! THANK YOU for posting! Subscribed.
I had to skim this the other dnight but this time i'm listening through the whole thing and holy crp does this dude drop some info for person just getting in to paying attention to watch movements (having gotten a Bulova Accutron and studying it's movement). Best history, ETA vs Sellita identification / quality comparison etc of anybody I found on here. I found my movement, fouind it's spec sheets gained an immense new appreciation for my first automatic mechanical watch and an interest to have more Auto-Mechs. Thank you (him) so much.
I'm rewatching some of your videos and I like them more and more, thank you for all the information you gave us!
Ola. Gostei muito do teu vídeo. Acabo de comprar um Sinn 104 e a tua explicação da origem Sellita foi muito esclarecedora. Obrigado.
Exactly what I was looking for, thank you - history vs functionality vs perceived quality.
Thanks very much for an excellent video. This is the most detailed explanation of the evolution of both ETA and Sellita movements. I’ve had watches with both and find them to be excellent movements. Please keep these videos coming, they are very helpful to a student of watches and their movements. I have subscribed after seeing just this one video.
What an excellent video. Extremely informative and needed to enlighten us all. Thank you and I look forward to future videos.
Thanks for this video, it was helpful to educate me on these two movements. I'm glad that I found this channel.
This is really great. Very informative. Thank you.
Great explanation on entry movement and basic supply chain knowledge in watch maker industry
So at last a real,genuine watch fellah,not a media student,video maker that thought"im gonna make RUclips clips about watches because they are popular", or those spoilt teenagers with very expensive watches ,gloating on camera,watch them copy what this man is teaching us.
Great video! Addressed my confusion around ETA and Vouj
Nice one. We need more of this
I had never had a watch with Sellita movement; however, before I had owned three Tissots PRS and Visodate. Now I am wearing a watch with NH35 Seiko movement. I did like the "Swiss made" in my Tissots; however, my new watch is very accurate(NH35), with sapphire and ceramic insert, and it is working amazingly. Besides, it cost less than the former watches I had owned.
Very educational for somethinkong about buying a Christopher ward sealander. Thank you.
Thanks 🙏 my friend, it's a great explanation!
Very informative! Thank you.
AWESOME GREAT JOB, Thank You for the precious and detailed information on the mater, Keep Up The Great Work, Thank You
Thumbs up, and subscribed,. This is just the type of content I was looking for. Straight up horology, minus the fluff. Thank you for your efforts, and sharing your extensive knowledge base with us novice's.
I love this channel. Very well done!
Fantastic! More people should watch this.
The rotor shape is also a giveaway on the sw200
Thank you sir, for this very valuable info. Now I don't feel bad for always opting for ETA, Though I do like the look and wind capacity of stellita in some versions. Definitely my second choice. Love the Perret ones too.
It's funny to be a typical American who can only speak English, but the one unpronouncable name is in German, the only language I know enough to pronounce and understand a bit of 😅
I'd love to hear an even more detailed history of these companies. It's fascinating to hear where these movements came from and how the Swiss industry adapted over the decades.
Thanks , great video
Add to the variety of substitute movements La Joux-Perret (MLJP), with their G100 movement (date) or G101 (no date). I've heard it said that these come with better materials so you're unlikely to get, say, a reversing wheel shredding its teeth. And though it is unidirectional rotor winding, the movement has 68 hours of power reserve. That's why I'm keenly interested in it, because this could shake up the status quo.
Tell me about the microphone. Beautiful.
Thanks so much for posting this.just yesterday I purchased a new tudor black bay 36,when I got home I read an article on a watch site that stated the possibility of a sellita instead of an eta inside.i was gutted initially but after watching your video and other videos and reading articles my fears have been largely allayed. This was so interesting and well explained,I will now go through your back catalogue. Thanks once again..
Nothing wrong with a top grade Sellita movement as it would be the same as the previous generation top grade ETA. Tudor know what they are doing.
Old Tudor Subs with Merc hands and ETA now cost 7-9000€. That is a lot.
Thank you very much for this very educational video🙏🏻
Great information . Now I will find out what is in my Steinhart Ocean one 39 mm . Thank you
You have an ETA 2893-2. I got a standing magnifying glass. Found the ETA maker”s mark and nearby (you must look hard, just at the edge of the movement) the mark 2893-2. I don’t know which Steinhart get ETA & which get Selita 330-? But the Ocean 39 GMT Vintage I got in September 2020 was ETA. Cheers & GBU
@@jazzman5598 The werk inside one of my watches has those laser engraving too. But please be assured: It never was even close to Switzerland. In fact it was born on a different continent.
Yes, Sellita was born out of survival when the swatch group wanted everything in-house and not outsourced. So Sellita started making fantastic movements on their own saving many jobs in the process! ⌚ Am I wrong?
Yes, the Swatchgroup was making ETA movements for everyone that asked. But the Swiss government said it was a monopoly. That's why they stopped. It took some years to do and Sellita is now making movements for those firms that don't make their own.
@@NikonFM2n Yes you are right. It's was COMCO that put the brakes on ETA.
Sounds right.
No. The real story is different. When the watch factories in Hong-Kong finally notched up in quality on par with eta, someone came up with the idea to buy the parts there and maybe assemble a bit in Switzerland to charge a premium for the swiss made brand. It's business - not charity.
@@rosomak8244
People would be very surprised how much of a “Swiss Made Watch” is not actually made in Switzerland (or Europe) but rather in the far East.
The laws for “Swiss made” are nothing but loopholes for manufacturers to claim “Swiss made” while simultaneously getting their parts made in the East.
I loath the Swatch group and its brands.
Thanks for the great info!!! :)
I have 4 Invictas pro divers with the Eta they have sapphire crystals and swiss made but I hear they are rare because eta would not sell them to Invicta because they were not in the swatch Group?
Yes, they are less common. Probably from an era that they were still able to get ETA movements.
Ive got a swiss made pro diver and it has the selitta sw200 movement.
It performs the same as my other pieces with ETA's
Super video thank you
Thank you,thank you,I'm always confused about this,when very expensive brands have no in-house movements its "ok",but when a not expensive brand has an ETA mov, its "nah shit,uts only an ETA mov inside".????
Both cartel driven Swiss movement brands make great movements
Really good, thank you
Very thorough and comprehensive. Thanks so much!!
Lot of Eterna caliber become ETA movements.
Eterna is a great Brand with huge history
Great informational video, thanks!
From personal experience with an SW200 and an SW330, I have no problem with Sellita movements. My 200 runs at around +4s/d, the 330 at +2.5 to +3.5s/d. My third watch has either an SW200 or an ETA 2824 in it (manufacturer doesn't specify which, and I don't want to open the watch just to look). The only thing that bothers me about that is the fact that this third watch is the most accurate I have at +0.5 to +1.0s/d, so it would be interesting to know what's inside. :)
Thats just a matter of adjustments, you can have a less accurate sellita or eta and its not movements fault, is just the time they spent adjusting and that will depend on the brand of the watch and what they wanted to give you.
@@cap.alexwalkr1247 It's not just about adjustment. It's about production tolerances and good luck in the way how the assembled parts matched together.
Very interesting. Thanks for the info
Great information. Thank you.
if choosing thought which do you pick? I suppose both are really the same. I wonder what watch maker's say?
Great info. Well said.
Damn! Thank you so much for this video. You are really good!!!!
What about Seiko? This should have been considered when talking bout fully vertically integrated. Even on their less expensive watches.
Yes, you're totally right. I only have the swiss industry in mind when I recorded that video, but certainlly Seiko have probably the highest level of integration of all watchmaking world. They even make their own oils and greases!
@@CHRONOTALK Taijing watch factory is the same in this regard. In fact both are higher integrated than any swiss niche manufacturer. They are all minuscule in scale compared to those two asian behemoths. Miyota is for certain outsourcing the mechanical movements to Hong-Kong.
Hi , I’ve got a automatic ETA 2824-2 and when I give it some turns to start my watch the rotor spins at same time! This is a new watch and I didn’t haver happen to my watches ( have a few Sellita and ETA ) can you please advise me what is the problem please? The watch is in warranty 1/2 year very low use ? Can you advise me what should I do ? I’ve contact the brand and they say it me only monday to contact them ! This is a microbrand assembly in Germany with ETA movements! I’m not a watchmaker plus I think the barrel that gives power have some issues, the watch is still running and if I shake it a bit I makes some metal noises? Hope you can help me with this situation! Thank you soo much
This was an awesome video. Very informative. I guess my specific question would be how does a Sellita SW200 compare to an ETA 7750 movement. I perceive the 7750 as a more expensive higher quality movement. Am I wrong? And does a 7750 movement make a watch more valuable then if it had an SW200?
Great Video!! quality info, do you know why ETA movements has engraved V8 - AT 37 ? thanks !
Bravo & thanks
Well done sir.
Hello
i want to know please i bought two watichs Tissiot one is ETA 2836-2 and the second one is Model
POWERMATIC 80.111
it is that watchs good ? i bought as a gift for my family i hope it is good
Sure they are very good watches! Any Tissot is.
Just found this. Excellent video.
Really good watch.
Great video very informative 👍
I have a steinheart ocean 1- 2824 movement elaborate...accurate to 3 seconds over two weeks . Can you regulate Miyota 9039..its 8 seconds a day...thanks
Excellent video.
Thanks so much for these comprehensive Video(s) pt.2 What is the little Pilotswatch on the shelve? Sinn? I Love it!!
Love to see movements you’re talking about rather than just watching you. That’s why other watch reviewers get so popular. As watch lover, we love seeing watch and calibre, not the talk host.
Great info. Thank You!
Good explanation
Very informative...
2:23 isn't Seiko an better example?
Superb vid Sir. Thanks!
What do you think of the Monaco re-issue movement? The watch design is iconic.
Outstanding!
hello, very interesting information about the differences between Selita and ETA. I comment on a situation, I have bought a Victorinox where the eBay website said Eta 2624-2 and I have received it with Sellita sw200-1 .
My question is, do I return it or keep it because they are the same with the same qualities of its components ? What would you do ?
Would you carry out the procedures by paying the shipping and risking or would you leave it as is because they are the same as the seller says?
Obrigado.
Hi! This is a pretty common situation, people advertising watches as being ETA when it's really Sellitas (or even people advertising being Sellitas, when it's chinese copies), but mostly because they just don't know or don't care, or just "copy/paste" the information. I wouldn't say all the components are of the same quality. Sellitas are good, but nothing beat the ETA. In the other hand, I wouldn't bother, even because I never recomend buying (or not buying) a watch because what's inside. If you like the watch, that's enough. But it still your personal feeling about this. But I really wouldn't care, even prefering that it was an ETA.
If I liked it enough I would keep it but next time do more research on the piece when purchasing from eBay, you can't trust what's posted on eBay. It might've been that some variation of the watch used eta but changed to selita. You never know what you're gonna get from private seller sites, it's always a gamble
Excellent review!!! I subscribed too- thank you!!
It would be very interesting to include the ETA2824 clones made by Sea Gull and Hong Kong Precision Technology with current production from ETA and Sellita.
Very good info, thanks!!
Thank you for the informations you provide
Very informative, thanks.
Very interesting. Thanks a lot. Subbed.
Excellent video!
You: “Screw this, I’m not going to try and pronounce German…”
Me, an English and Dutch speaker “HA! Now you know how I feel, trying to pronounce French!”
In all seriousness, very good video, sir.
The main problem with french and pronunciation is the fact that it's a damn lottery. You never know by reading how it is actually to be pronounced.
For me a top / cosc grade Stellita SW300 or SW330 GMT with the -2 having some more hours it's just as good as a Rolex movement in terms of accuracy and quality, I like that its bit freesoring as the microadjustbyou canbget it within +2 / -2 even in the base models and see no difference between ETA
To be honest the most inooressibe movement series by far has been the miyota 9000 series, as it's the first movement that's not a copy and since it's modern and not just an upgraded older movement it's been developed with CAD, the aid of computers and highly automated manufacturing.
Sure on some the QC makes the uni-directiinslnrotor sound noisy and I really with it had a micro adjustment system but miyota wanted to make a series of movements that would be slot less than Stellita or ETA.
A quality 4hz movement that's 3x less than a base Stellita 2824 but it's nearly as thin as the 2892
They make no date，date , GMT some other complications and types and even a 2 handed but this means for smaller brands they can make one case and to mybkniwladge the 9075 is the first jumping hands GMT 3rd party.
The swiss version of this as in a swiss company owned by miyota makes 9015 types but changes some parts and decorated them to very high end movements so I think miyota or another company will make a premium line maybe with bi-directional winding chrono and such.
Seiko even uses the architecture.
The other movements that are so good for the price would be a QCd HKPT5000 / Hangzhou 6300 direct ETA 2824 clone, I have one and it's my most accurate 2824 type, running for 6 years and it's cosc .
The other is the Hangzhou 5000 4hz micro-rotor movement used in Baltic watches and others and they are amazing and a great base.
They even make 80 hour 4hz movements with many complications but they are usually sent to forgers for Rolex clone movements.
I think they could make amazing movements but the market does not like Chinese.
The NH30 series while not berry accurate, they are cheap so they have started alot of kifrobrands and Chinese brands and you can now get a quality 316L 200m watch with a nice dail and lume like Seiko, a nice ceramic bezel with action and a good metal hracelet for 65 dollars.
Since the NH30 is so easy to work with it has made a community if people making watches with parts and many eventually get higher quality parts then swiss movements.
Seiko is no longer an affordable brand, not that long ago you could get a Seiko 5 for 69 dollars or less now they are 350 or so.
Orient watches have better movements (F6) and now they are the only big brand worth the RRP.
For me a movement in a watch is half the watch I don't like having more than 2 watches with the same movement as I just like verity.
Most think movements are hand made but everything swiss is highly automated.
Apart from. Micro brands and Chinese brands all brands that make autos have gone up in price alot and it's insane.
I really don't like the look of modern Rolex watches I feel they are too flashy, you could get stabbed or your wrist cut off and people assume it's fake.
I love vintage Rolex but they have gone up like crazy, I do love Tudor but they are playing games with pricing.
These days with new watches if you can wait for a sale you can get a nice brand with a 2892/3 or 2824 cosc for under 1k.
I feel you can get very nice watches now for under 650 if you know where to look.
I love the handwinder but the 2824 type that it's based on while a great movement ETA or Stellita but for example in the past Tudor would have them modified now they are just off the shelf decorated so it's a little naughty and when spending Tudor money you would assume they would go with a 2892 type.
It would be nice if ETA/Stellita kofied the 2824-2 to be a 4hz with more power reserve and some upgrades the worst part of the 2824-2 is how the teeth can break from jandeidning and they should have fixed this a long time ago.
With the powermatic 80 based on the 2824 seeing plastic parts on the escapement and it being 3hz pretty much ruined all watch brand watches for me as at that point I would rather have a much cheaper Asian 3hz
I when you look at the wholesale prices if movements the Seiko NH35 is 16 dollars miyota 8215 is a little more as it's made in Japan and the s.epson (orient) YN55 is more, then when you get into the ,4hz range the miyota 9015 is about 55, standard grade Stellita SW200 is about 150 and then the Stellita SW300 is about 300 with the 330 more.
Chinese movements have a wide quality and type so a 3hz really cheap one is under 7 dollars a good one is about 12 and some that have special functions like the seagull ST19 (modernised Venus 175) is about 50 or less.
HKPT/Hangzhou 2824-2 clones are about 30 dollars but if they are made well they are amazing movements.
Seagull makes a Stellita sw200 but the quality can be good or bad
Unitas Chinese clones are probably 15 ish and Stellita maybe 100 but very simple movement, I like the 18,000bph movement but most are now 3hz
The only non-swiss / Japanese / Chinese movements is the 19800bph vostok handwind or auto movement and the auto is a great, vintage and some of the QC can be low some can be high.
Quartz a miyota 2035 Is just over a dollar and some of the cheaper mostly plastic quartz seiko are far less with the cheapest being Chinese.
Then solar is more and swiss Ronda are just under the price of a Seiko auto.
Wish I knew which movement I have in my Christopher ward trident pro c60 !
Selitta my dude :)
Sellita sw 200-1..also it’s on CW site
I thought it was a ETA OR Selitta,no one really knows each watch Varys from what I’ve seen and read
amazing video sir, already subscribed
Excelente!
Hi, the movements Sellita for exemplo sells in Alliexpress are original or all is fake?. where can i buy a original sellita movement? Thank you and hug
Even Ebay will work. You could probably order from Sellita directly but only in large batches :)
@@baze3SC Thanks
Great video as usual Sir! On a recent look at a well known watch forum a spat about ETA/SELLITA came up. The watch maker’s comment was a statement that Sellita had “heat treating problems” in some of their movement parts. Is there ANY truth, objectively or anecdotally, about which you are aware that attests to the veracity of this claim? Thanks!
Yes. I'm not sure the problem was due to heat treatment, but they did had problems with the materials of some parts, making them less sturdy and/or nore prone to wear. But these problems are things from the past. They sorted out these problems over the years.
So in theory the st2130 is sort of the same movement as the sw200. This was very educational. Thank you!
You are very close to home. It's actually the Hongzou 6300.
Great video thanks very much. 🇬🇧
Bonjour! Are you from the South of France?
My son had a Luminox Modern Mariner 6502 with SW 200-1 that had the date wheel break early on.
Probably a defect. Also safe practice to not use the quick set function during 9PM-3AM. Times will vary depending on who you ask. Mostly a bigger issue with Seiko movements that use a plastic gear on the quick set. Personally I set the day before and advance the time accordingly.
Hi. My sellita sw 200 stopped after 10 days since acquisition. Nice. Regards.
@@mihneavoda9060 mine too. I wasn’t impressed
@@get-magnificent8072 what would break if you did change the date between those times? I had a SW200 just start free spinning when I went to change the time.
@@jeffreygoss8109 All the gears are connected to some degree. Any one gear being defective will throw the balance of the watch of and it can show up in anywhere depending on the movement design.
Thank you
Very well made!
Very informative but at the bottom line which of the two is better? I bought a steinhart which was advertised on their website with an ETA2824-2 movement, but when I received it it came with a Selita
I tried to stay away of give my own opinion. In numbers, both are equal in terms of performance. But I still prefer the ETA, specially in terms of durability. But yes, this is really an issue, of brands advertising one movement and actually using another.
I have a Steinhart Ocean one 39 .
@@davidcoleman2463 Absolutely amazing watch you have there. Do you enjoy it?
I am curious which Steinhart did you specifically buy expecting an ETA but received the Sellita? My understanding is that a few watches are marketed as exclusively having the ETA (such as the new double green ocean hulk) but the vast majority are listed as ETA/SW depending on availability.
IMO the real problem is not the marketing, but in the actual paperwork that comes with the watch. For $500+ dollars I expect a product's paperwork to describe it's exact specifications, not some uncertain ETA/SW checkbox. Very un-german of them haha
I thought ETA was short for Eterna?
No, Eterna created ETA, but now they are different independent companies
@@xtellur You are both right. In fact, Eterna founded ETA - an abbreviation (or "part" of) "eterna" to signify that ETA makes "parts" for eterna watches. As you said, they moved on to become totally unrelated companies.
Rolex never made a thing, they just bought all the companies that they outsourced too. To call them a watch manufacturer pre 2004 is stretching it.
Great talk, very informative. It would have been nice if you talked a little more about Sellita, their history beyond just the quartz crisis or the cutting off of ETA movements, for eg, the fact that they actually started in 1950 and were the major assembler of ETA movements.
"For eg" is redundant. It's either "for example" or "e.g.* (short for "exempli gratia", simply meaning "for example" in Latin).
@@einundsiebenziger5488 thanks for the feedback
Awesome.
The reason there are still ETA movements in non SWATCH brands is because the Swiss court system would not allow ETA to hold a monopoly and stop selling to non SWATCH brands.
Hi! Thank you for a great video! There was a great discussion on one forum in internet about the grade (standart, elabore and top) of ETA 2824 and Sellita SW200, some people said that top grade movements have to be decorated, but as a web site of Sellita says it is not the point how to undestand the grade. There are two different definitions: finishing - how movement is decorated and the escapement grade - technical part. Others say that incablock is used only at top grades of movements. But there was no final opinion. Could you please make a video about grades and how to differ them. For example Tag Heuer Aquarace Calibre 5, some say that it is standart grade Sellita and some that it is top grade (no decoration, but incablock). Thank you!
Hi! Yes, this is a very common question and I already recorded a video about ETA (and Sellita) grades and I believe most of the answers for your questions are there: what and why are the differences, and how to spot the difference visually. They'll be up on air in the next two weeks, so stay tuned.
@@CHRONOTALK oh, that's great! Did you notice on Sellita web site that there is finishig (how the movement looks like, decoration) and grade - technical details (materials and adjustment positions number)
There you go, the first part of the video about ETA (and Sellita) grades!
@@CHRONOTALK, hi! I already have watched it and commented=) Thank you! Great video=)
After manufacturing parts are binned and matched according to production variability. Most importantly the regulating parts. The tighter you match them the higher the grade.
And STP movements go un noticed again
As they are all seagull parts.