How Much I Make As A Vet
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Ever wonder how much a veterinarian makes? In this episode I'm going to tell you how much I made each step of the way in my training. Get ready to be.....surprised. I enjoy talking about this sort of thing because in our field basically no one talks about it and I think it is very important to know ahead of time what to expect if you embark on this career path. Happy to discuss anything in the comments. Please like and subscribe and leave a comment if you so desire!
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When people say “vets are only in it for the money” 😂😂😂
Probably you are the one and only veterinarian in RUclips to talk about this topic.
Thanks for being open with your struggles with loan.
Eagerly waiting for your next video😍😍😍
Ha yeah I think you're right sadly. Thanks for watching!
Thank you so much for this informative video. I’m a veterinarian and I get very sick of people assuming I’m “rich”. I dare anyone to think after watching this video that they think they should go to vet school to go get rich.
Hes making over 200k right now. Thats amazing. Totally worth the student loans for your passion to make, 7x the average income of americans
Sheesh, vets deserve WAY more!
More than you thats for sure
Omg u 2 are so funny😂
@@DVMCellini vets do it mostly for the animals,imo.
even a ross grad?😁
No wonder less people are getting into the field. Vets and vet techs deserve much more
This was so helpful. There doesn’t seem to be a lot of info out there for vet specialty salaries. Thank you
You’re welcome!
Thank god I'm from India. I got selected in vet school and bonus is that I got government sponsored seat. So its gonna cost me about roughly about 5000 us dollars for my entire bvsc degree. I'm feeling so blessed. Thanks alot for your valuable information. Now I'm currently preparing for navle. ❤️
Vet student here from Tamilnadu (VCRI Namakkal to be specific), my college fee is around 685 USD(57k inr)
Wow, I always wondered what interns made but was afraid to ask. I'm really surprised that residents are not compensated better than that since they basically do all the work!
yeah i honestly don't understand how its legal to pay someone that little to work that much. residency or no residency.
When are we going to get a bro collab? Love the transparency
Soon as he starts returning my phone calls
I currently work in a vet clinic as a receptionist and assistant, and I'm a vet tech student. The best way that people can support veterinary staff is by not fighting about prices constantly. My clinic raised our prices by 30% and cut all discounts and that money solely went toward raises for staff
That's great!
I really hate it when clients try to hackle prices. That's not how it works. Medications, surgery, equipment all costs money. As a human patient you'd be paying a similar amount, if not more, only in most countries the majority of it is covered by whatever healthcare system your government has.
And then the clients proceed to berrate the vets, receptionists, nurses and other staff for not caring, only going in to the industry for the money, etc. and all of it simply couldn't be farther from the truth.
Some people can't afford stuff it's not that hard to comprehend
I am about to go to vet school now and I appreciate some transparency. It’s been a weird guessing game to figure out how much I’m actually going to earn. I love vet med but I’m just so nervous because of the debt.
A specialist in private practice in CA can work 4 very busy days per week and expect something like 180k base + commission which will vary great but can potentially double that salary.
A regular vet will make significantly less.
@@james1000 looks like I’m going to specialize!!😂
@@james1000yes but CA is also significantly more expensive than other states
I can't believe they only paid you $28,000 as an intern after graduating vet school!
Yup. Internships ftw. It's insane to me that companies can do that, frankly.
I was shocked to hear that.
@@Rpere387 I was shocked to receive it lol
@@DVMCellini I'm not sure if amounts have changed but I''m a current 2nd year student and some of the offers on the match state like 45K for residency!
@@bigdaddy54345 I could see that being the case nowadays depending on the practice. These are private practice places right?
Very insightful information Dr.Cellini thank you!
As a rising 4th year vet student, I'm having a lot of thoughts on which specialty to pursue post-vet school. I've heard that it's pretty difficult for non-surgical specialties (with exception to radiologists) to make more than a surgical specialty, how true is this? Like for instance a busy internist vs a busy neurologist/surgeon.
Glad it was helpful! I'd say that's true. You're paid based on what you're doing procedure or diagnostic wise. Unfortunately the reality is that you're paid as a % of what you do. You do more (or do more expensive diagnostics/treatments), you're paid more. Simple as that.
As a third year vet student in Sweden with plans of practicing in the US, I really appreciate these videos! They're a great resource regarding medicine in general but also the vet profession in the US, and I look forward to browsing through your channel further :)
I found this analysis interesting. My first year as a veterinarian, I earned $36K (1994). I was fortunate that I only borrowed $15K for veterinary school and my wife convinced me of the importance of paying off the loan first (within a few years) before I began to spend it on other things. I also worked 3 yrs. as an Animal Health Technician II at UC Davis while a veterinary student which paid well above minimum wage. I could not imagine having the debt service that some students now carry at graduation. I think the last AVMA study I saw said the average student loan debt was now $125K. Unbelievable. Ross University graduates might be paying off their student loans in their 60s.
According to avma it’s $185k or so. That and below is juuuuust doable. The problem is the 50% of all vets that are higher. It’s just too much money once you get much higher than 200k.
Recent Ross Grad..... my entire loan burden is from Vet school only. approximately 350.
You are just amazing!!!! You don't know how confused I was about my future financial situation, you just gave me a relief Doctor!
A relief? Did you see the video??? :)
@@DVMCellini I am studying abroad, so I don't have to deal with student loans! Therefore I am satisfied with the estimated numbers 😊 Thanks for the video, again!
free vet school gang 😎✋
@@cringyfellas3976 May i ask how you get to study abroad for vet school?
Love how real this doc is.
Thanks!
Okay so plan on residency + part time exotic dancer to be able to afford food. Loll
God
I have to add, from what I've heard, American vets get screwed. Of course it's practice-dependent, but compared to here it seems like you guys get worked harder and paid less, and the US loans system is an absolute abomination. The wage for a graduate vet here after tax (thus including loan repayments) is the equivalent of about $36,000. Vet work is never easy of course, but at many practices you are going to be woking a 40-ish hour week for that too, although you'll tend to be working 8am-7pm 4 days a week. The situation is worse at the corporates, who really seem to drive their vets into the ground with 60+ hour weeks; the independents are much better.
Think you vet guys have it rougher than human medicine. A lot of times even if we aren't busy, we will still get paid.
ER DVM here! Great job on the video, an accurate way to show the issues with our industry pay but also highlight some good. I think a great video (if you haven't already) would be highlighting the differences between a veterinarian and the respective human med specialist salary.
thanks i need to update this though. feel like a lot has changed in the last year...
Currently completing a rotating internship now and applying for residency/speciality internship in internal medicine. Yep, these numbers sound about right. Slightly better pay now in some places because inflation, but still terrible pay for the hours you put in.
I wish education was free 😭
you and me both
I am from The Netherlands.
Medical school will cost you 2.5k usd a year.
This is excluding all cost of books or cost of living.
Its free in Europe
Just about to graduate vet school and, hopefully, start internship. How would you change your mistakes with your loan repayment? What is your advice?
My advice would be to not undergo “lifestyle creep” where you start making money with your new job and then you start buying things (car, fancy apartment/house, tons of clothes, restaurant/bars 4 times a week, etc). Continue to live like you’re a student while working a professional job. That will help you save to pay down your debt.
@@DVMCellini Thank you so much! I truly appreciate it.
This is such and informative video! Thank you for being so transparent with everything!
🙏 you’re welcome!
UK vet student here: What gets me is the foreign students we get. US and Canadian students coming here already need their first degree so they have however much debt from that, but on top of that my university charges $52,000 per year for overseas vet students for tuition (domestic is $12,500), plus London living expenses (an easy extra $25,000 a year). They can do the accelerated course so can do it in 4 years, so our overseas students are likely ending up with like $450,000 in debt? My university is the best vet school in the world (#flex), but youch. I'm "only" going to have $161,000 debt when I graduate.
I went to Edinburgh, my first degree in the US was paid for by an athletic scholarship. I had a choice of going to US or UK schools. I chose Edinburgh because the tuition was fixed for the entire program (US school tuitions go up ~1-2k each year usually) and wasn't *much* more than my out of state US options any way. I chose it because Edinburgh's program just fit best for me by far, so the slightly larger amount of debt was worth it to me. It also worked to my advantage because the last couple years my tuition dropped by about 8k in US dollars due to Brexit and the pound's value dropping, but that was just sheer luck for me financially. Anyway, I know that's not the case for everybody, but all of the North American students in my class had their reasons for choosing the UK. Some didn't get into US schools, some (like me) just preferred it over the US schools they got into, and some didn't even apply to US schools because they wanted to go abroad. Maybe not the smartest choice financially for them, but to each their own. Also, though our earning potential is still low here in the US compared to MDs/medics, we still make a lot more than UK vets comparatively (which is one of the only reasons I didn't stay in the UK).
Gosh how did they expect u guys to live on so little. 😳I realize your still learning but Holly smokes some states are so short on doctors and Vets. The states should be paying u guys a ton to go through there programs! 1 day it will all be so worth it. Plus you have a specialty that is probably in high demand. Thank u
Yeah it’s tough watching an entire paycheck go towards rent. Obviously many people struggle that way forever so I’m not losing sight of that.
Just found your channel! Thanks for helping me with my journey ❤
You are so welcome!
Can you make a video on how competitive residency is and what qualities they look for?
Kind of super niche but yeah I can add it to the list
Awesome video Dr. Cellini! I was wondering, how much surgery would you say you perform in a given week? I was wondering if the cases a neurologist sees are more internal medicine cases than neurosurgical or if its a good mix of the two. You did say one can choose to be busy and perform surgeries so then do most surgical cases get referred to a SA surgeon if you dont want to do them? My other question was, out of all the cases that you see how much require neurosurgical treatment??
Anywhere between 0-5 surgeries a week I'd say. Neuro (in vet med) is a mix of medicine and surgery. That's why I like it. You can be managing epilepsy one minute and doing spinal surgery the next minute. Great mix. And yeah if you're a medical neurologist you'd refer surgical cases to either a neurologist that does surgery or a surgeon.
I'd say about 40-50% need surgery.
I don't understand why he is paying his student loans? Why not just wait for Biden to forgive the loans like most people? It not what you can do for the country but it is what the country can do for you.
Hey Dr. Cellini, just wondering. If you want to specialize as you have, do you have to go straight into residency and internships after graduating vet school, or can you work as a general practitioner for a few years to make some money and pay off student loan before diving back into school? Thanks for your helpful videos!
You can do either! No set rules.
@@DVMCellini Thanks for the reply! I just finished my undergrad this past spring and I'm applying to vet school this cycle. Your videos are very insightful and I appreciate all the topics you cover on your channel!
I am glad that India is a welfare state, you don't really have to pay anything for vet medicine ( literally 0) including Hostels N meal. Here, medical education is also almost free even in top colleges in the country. Though one has to come through a tough competition. Keep it up buddy , wish you all the best 🙏
I recently found your channel and subscribed. My wife is graduating from MSU CVM in May. She has spoken many times about the bulldog breed AND at how annoying it is that MSU's mascot is a bulldog. Georgia's is, too. The vet schools must hate that...lol.
Also, I am studying to be a financial coach (NOT advisor). I hope to help future vet grads learn how to pay off their student loan debt fast. Any advice or resources you would suggest?
Focus on preventative medicine. I.e - if it’s gonna cost you >200k do not go to vet school.
Also - banking on government forgiveness in 20 years while you barely make interest payments is frankly gambling.
Super informative video, thanks for going so in depth into your pay, most people are rather broad when sharing that kind of info
no problem!
I am so glad education in Lebanon is almost free (either 300$ or 700$ a year depending at which year you are), so I am hopefully going to graduate from Vet school soon with 0$ debts. Thank you alot for your videos!
You're welcome and I'm happy to hear you're getting out with no debt, that's incredible.
@@DVMCellini gotta pass navle to pass in NA anyway, however 1,5k(exam cost)cheaper than 125k 😅
Women need to make the same amount as the men. Come on!
This was incredibly informative, can you do one on board certified surgeons
Hey there Dr. Cellini i am very familiar with Gulf Coast Animal Hospital as my little guy who has since passed had surgery there for a herniated disc. I live near Houston and he got excellent care there!
Who did the surgery?
It’s like slave life.
Vets in my opinion have a much harder job than MD's as animals can not verbally talk.
Sheeesh...Let me just say, from where I'm from (Finland) all schooling is free and students don't usually have any debt after graduating (unless they need the money for living expenses). So I'm really happy about that, but there is only one school that you can go to become a vetenarian, so there's still a lot of competition.
Hello vet. I am about to get into vet school. I am from India. Well, here the total fee is around 6000 to 7000 USD (total amt for the period of 5.5 years BVSc course) and yes, its managed without loans! (almost 0$ debt) But yes, I want to practice in the US in future due to the scope of career development offered there. We don't have residencies and all here though, that's why. But your video was sooo honest!!!! Thank you for providing such great content.
Thanks I’m glad you found it useful. Good luck with everything!
Jesus, that's insane. Second year vet student here in Australia. Normally domestic students would have to pay 295 000 for the full 5 year course, but if you're a citizen, the majority of the fees are covered by the government, which we don't have to pay back. So when I graduate, what I'll have to pay is ~65 000. The other 230 000 is paid by the government and I won't ever have to pay it back. Jesus, you guys in America really have it tough.
I'm also thinking about specialising, but have absolutely no idea what yet. Definitely will have to wait for my clinical years before I decide. I want to go into wildlife, but I also know there's basically no money there so I will probably have to go do small, mixed or large animal beforehand so I can actually pay for my education.
It sucks that student loans cost so fteaking much. Vets deserve to get alot more.
Wow this is really neat. I'm so glad I found you through your Bros Channel. You guys are a really interesting and fun family. Honestly I'm in a completely different field but find this just fascinating. During the first part of this video I was thinking dang, this poor guy needs a GoFundMe. I'm really glad to hear you're on the up-and-up nowadays
I did need a go fund me back then! 😂 thanks for tuning in!
If you make 250,000 on average a year how come you only pay off 10,000 a year? Surely a couple of years earning q combined 400-500,000 you should of cleared that debt off easy
You’re the 2nd or 3rd person to ask this so I think I shall make a video explaining further.
I am sad for the animals and terrified for myself 😬
Unwatchable music too loud
This was informative/ interesting. TY, Dr. Cellini.
Were you able to use your student loan as a tax write off while you paid it?
That only works if you make less than $85,000 a year.
@@DVMCellini darn, that seems a bit unfair. Thanks for making this video, it was very informative!
Say nothing bad about Bulldogs. They will provide for us for years to come. Unless of course we are interested in animal wellfare. In this case Im not sure we can still be helped. We do spinal surgery very nearly every day, sometimes up to 3 a day and most of them are french Bulldogs. I make a point of thanking every French Bulldog owner for their breed selection. Most owners even understand what Im talking about but the reality is that every year we get mor Frenchies than ever. Kind of sad but there it is.
too late
Are you investing a ton of money or what? I finished pharmacy school with 185k of loans and paid it off in 22 months.
yeah, i am actually. tryin to figure out how to make a video about what i'm doing in that regard.
Could you/have you made a video in medical vs surgical neurology? I realize it's a little niche. I'm a first year veterinary student and neurology is on my short list of specialities but I know I am not interested in surgery. I didn't realize that you could choose to practice medical-only.
The loan burden of veterinary medicine is equal parts terrifying and unnerving to me. I'm ridiculously fortunate that I'm going to come out of vet school with very little debt (should be well under 30k) because of some very ...specific choices that I made (accruing no debt in undergrad, and doing a PhD along with my vet degree - can't necessarily call that a *smart* decision but it's good on the debt side), so I hope that will come out as more freedom on the other side since so much of my income won't go toward loan payments.
yeah that's reeeeal niche but maybe i will. mine as well.
don't tunnel vision yourself, its too early. Your preferences may change. Medical neurology has by an large NOT advanced in 20+ years (apart from treating and managing MUO). This means for many it becomes boring, frustrating, and likely not as financially rewarding as other disciplines. Consider academia if you are really stuck on medical neurology...that is where you MIGHT be able to make the most change. Also consider ophthalmology...good income potential, low after hours demand, niche and very cool surgery, less 'death and dying' which some don't deal well with...good luck
Good vid!!!
Which book is good to study anatomy?
Millers anatomy
You are a beautiful person!! I love your openness & love of our animal angels!!!
Thank you so much!
@DVMcellini As someone who has a bachelor degree that isn’t in use with student loans and now going back to school to be a vet tech and then possibly applying to vet med school: would you say you wouldn’t have it any other way? Has this career been rewarding and worth the stress of the debt in your experience?
Hi, pre-vet undergrad student here, so I’ve got a few years, but I’m trying to plan ahead. My goal is to become an equine sports medicine veterinarian (not precisely sure how I’ll specialize within that (osteo surgery, etc) and if I’ll end up needing to do a residency, but it’s probably likely).The general consensus that I’ve heard from equine vets and others in the industry is that equine vets make less than small animal vets, and I was wondering if this would be the same for the interning/first few years out of college/residency stage? And if so, do you have any advice for me, as I am unfortunately pretty darn committed to equine medicine?
Thanks so much for sharing
so hypothetically, if one week/month you earn more than your base salary bc of production, you would get paid ~20-30% commission and net week/month revenues = yearly salary? also, from your experience, to what degree do you think it's true that vet specialists can make upwards of 10-20k cash per procedure in a private practice setting? many professionals say the most lucrative medical careers today are specialists in veterinary/dental medicine because of the lack of insurance reimbursement and potential practice scaling opportunities with a majority cash-based model?
-also, your points about the lack of consideration in the space of inbreeding among various populations leading to adverse pathology is something that's not spoken about a lot, and great that you are passionate to speak up about it!
No one makes 10k-20k cash per procedure. Like, no one. At most it’s like 800-2000 depending on how involved it is.
When you’re paid production you get either your base salary or how much you made in production, not both. It’s whichever is higher.
@@DVMCellini got it. thanks for the clarification doc!
So initially you were paying off $10,000 towards your loans, is that the minimum you can pay off without interest accumulating?
How’d you deal with the sharp decline in salary from being an er doctor to resident ?
i didn't deal with it well. it was tough and i racked up credit card debts really quick because i was used to living like i made 100k a year even when i went down to 28k a year.
That is kinda under paid for a doctor
Hi Doctor,
I am an Indian veterinary graduate. I am planning to go for a post graduation programme in USA. Due to financial contraints I would be loaning 2-3 years of post grad education fee I won't be wasting your time but, I really need your help and advice for the same. I don't wanna be in a huge debt. Could you please help me out? I would be obliged. Thank you so much.
Maybe I shouldn’t be in Vet school but I already have a ton of loans so I’m in it I guess 😢
So we learn that folks in vet med don't make nearly as much as they deserve and that student loans SUCK
I genuinely imagine you working those 60hrs plus weeks, but in a montage with push it to the limit playing in the background
yeah that and a lot of "omg how am i doing this" thoughts
Great info Jim!
Glad you think so auntie!
I am a vet from Hungary, and I am eagerly waiting for your controversial video about bulldogs! I do hope you tell the truth about them!
I just finished my undergrad at UC Davis this summer, but I’m a dad. I want to be a veterinarian to help bridge the gap between vet med and the Hispanic community here in CA. Is vet school worth it? Or should I go for an RVT license here in CA?
Some times I feel greatful about México. In my college we just paid $0.50 pesos / year. The problem is that for the residency we don´t earn anything, so it become hardest at that point.
Mmm im Mexico you can go to an public university ,there aren't ant of them in USA or what ?
Just curious
No! None :(
What about veterinarians that work in the zoo? Do they make the same amount of money as some of these specialists?
my understanding is that they're some of the lowest paid vets out there.
@@DVMCellini Thats so disappointing :(
It's kind of clickbait to call this video "how much I make as vet" and then not even tell us, I thought the whole point of this video was that you were going to be transparent? Like where else am I supposed to find this information? Its the actual number that would really help out anyone looking to become a neurologist. Otherwise thanks for discussing the ridiculous debt!
24th lol
Love ya videos!
The falling coin noises man 😂😂😂
The people who comment that vets are money hungry need to see this.
How do you think getting paid as a percentage of production affect vets' decisions on testing and treatment?
I don’t think it does frankly. There’s a self regulating culture within vet med that would keep that from happening. I’ve very, very rarely seen instances of unnecessary tests.
I can tell you as a veterinarian who just started making production for the first time that it has not affected my recommendations *at all*, I hate running unnecessary tests, but it has just made me much less miserable when I'm staying 2, 3, 4 hours past my shift doing paperwork because I feel like I'm actually being compensated for the extra time.
King Cellini
Personally, I don't care how much money vets make. I know they have staggering student loans once they finish their education. I just appreciate having access to a vet or a specialist when I need one for my cats.
Thank you
This guy is well trained !! Lots of these vets in private practice work 5 days a week as owners . And they are only open Monday thru Friday days .
This is nevada beware pet owners
My dream job is a animal ophthalmologist and I want to attend Tuskegee but it’s expensive and I’m going to vet school so there’s that but Tuskegee has their own vet school so it’s easier I’m gonna be 400k in debt roughly but I’m going to get it I just can never give up it will be worth it… i hope
That’s so much $ to go in debt for though. Just please plan accordingly and make sure you’d be ok with those consequences.
Gulf Coast saved my dog. I am so grateful for specialized vets.
Lotta smart people working there. Glad to hear it.
I don’t know, I’m not feeling too warm and fuzzy about the gross production incentive for specialists. Sounds like a good reason to push a bunch of unnecessary diagnostics to pump up those gross production numbers.
All Stores Please Restrict All Military and Local for all Brands of Veterans Pay Accessories and Production Cost Now 🙏🙏🙏
When i grow up i want to be a veterinarian because i like animals ❤❤
Same
Hi!
I'm 20years old and I'm in my first year of vet school. (In my country it takes 6years and the average salary is €12k/year) Should I continue it? Or should I do med school? I really don't know what to do...
what do you want to do?
They need to be pay right, but the prices on the vet clinics is ridiculously high, one example my dog has a dental plan, he is already under anesthesia for the dental cleaning, its already on the plan and paid for it and they want me to charge extra $ 800.00 to remove 2 more tooth on a chihuahua and that happened every year , I bring my dogs, always during the cleaning they says my dog lost 2 tooth, which its normal but always they need to remove 2 more , $ 800.00 USDS is ridiculous hight.
Why didn’t you go into private practice
I did go into private practice. Not sure what you mean?
@@DVMCellini I meant didn’t lol
my God dude
you should have gone the med school route if you are going to be putting this much time into this
Thanks
That is so rude, did you ever think that maybe he doesn't want to be going to med school... Life isn't always about money
@@DVMCellini hahahaha
@@cjanders557 Hopefully, I think you deserve way more than you got before. As far as I know, pet market in the US has been expanding more and more while in contrast, vets are less and less based on yearly retirement. So, I hope that it will be considered in your salary.