GEN 1 COYOTE CNC HEAD TEST-PLUS BOSS INTAKE!
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- FULL DYNO RESULTS-STOCK VS CNC HEADS, STOCK VS BOSS INTAKES ON BOTH HEADS. THAT'S RIGHT-WE TESTED STOCK (AS CAST) GEN 1 COYOTE HEADS VS CNC PORTED HEADS. WHILE TESTING THE HEADS, WE RAN THE STOCK AND BOSS INTAKE BOTH ON THE STOCK HEADS, THEN ON THE CNC PORTED HEADS. LOTS OF GREAT INFO, INCLUDING EFFECT OF JPC CAI. IT'S ALL HERE!
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People gonna look back on this channel in 500 years like its the dyno library of Alexandria! Love this content!
thnx-high praise
Could I bother you when you have time for advice on my 05 CTS-V pertaining to engine mods.
I don’t mind documenting progress if you care for the footage .
Yup he’s vastly better than any other channel with all the tests he’s done. Love seeing him do not just one brand also.
@@richardholdener1727 Could you have the "Best of Both World's"🌎 with a Borla 8stack (ITB) having the high TQ & high HP w/o having to raise the RPM to 7500+ like you do w/Boss intakes & CJs🤔 (8stack ITBs, stage1 heads, stage2 cams)
can we just take a moment to appreciate this mans memory, Remembering work shit from 2011, I can't remember what i did at work last week
Finally some more Coyote stuff!
It will just blow up...... it’s a coyote
@@yeahok115sure
Obvious troll is obvious 🙄
for what? all we need is big blocks and pushrods. crapyotes still cant do 8s N/A
@@LightningFast240
um, explain this then: ruclips.net/video/Uijf-Fa-TZI/видео.html
@@177SCmaro thats a fuckin foxbody. im talking about in the original chassis
These Coyote can rev past 7300 easily, my gen 3 whipple with stock cams and forged bottom make 750whp on 3.75 pulley. The gen 3 coyote is more impressive. Love these motors.
I spin my stock bottom end 5.4 to 7600 n/a, ARP rod bolts though.
I turned my NA gen 1 coyote to 8,200 rpms. Never one issue with it either.
@@marksiniard8445 boss or regular gt stock??
More Coyote stuff please!
Great video my gen 1 still alive with oil pump gears and roush supercharger e85 720+whp
That's so awesome. I've been dying to get a 2012 or so GT with a Coyote and a manual trans. I drove a 2018 convertible, but it was an automatic and it still hauled ass. I'd get a hard top, but it'd HAVE to be a manual trans.
@@BucksSuperStereoWorld I would've gone manual but the mt82 isnt great compared to the t56 I had in my 03 cobra before selling it. The cars are great
@@superscort57 they made some shift improvements in 2018 but ford decided to screw up the gearing. they claimed it was due to the higher redline but i suspect it was due to mpg.
My gen 1 Roush at 687whp on 93, hopefully lasts lol
@@OxBlitzkriegxO i know that is what that say but its bs because having a higher redline and better power up top would be all the more reason to stay with the original gearing mpg was just fine imo i think its they purposly wanted to make a performance gap between the manual and the 10 speed which has bad ass gearing btw so they can slowly phase manuals out and all these stupid young people screamijg autos are faster just dont get it and they never will. Easy to say that when you suck balls at driving haha. Give me the manual all day everyday...there's always someone faster is it worth sacrificing alot of the fun for a couple tenths? Nope not to me it isnt.
Can you test one of the 5.2 flat plane motors and see how they make power high in the RPM range?
They're really expensive. I am guessing there wouldn't be very much, if any, difference. The gt500 uses a 90° crank with the voodoo heads. The only thing you would be comparing is how much hp the inertia of the crank eats, the voodoo crank weighs 51.4lb with the factory balance and the boss 302 crank weighs less than 52.0lb, that's the shipping weight from summit racing in a box. There is a really good chance that the crank layout costs more power from the dual mass flywheel and intake manifold packaging than it gains from pumping efficiency.
@The94GTC Flat Plane crank 🤘👊💪
The flat plane crank just gives you the Ferrari rasp without the $250K price tag and that's perfectly fine. The only truly interesting thing about that particular flat plane crank is that the journals are UDUD style instead of UDDU. Every single flat plane crank has always been UDDU, for the past 120 years. If you ask me, I'll go with crossplane just for the growl.
--In reality, The Voodoo heads are sweer. I wish Ford would make a voodoo based V10. Theoretically, we can 3-D print a wax negative to cast a custom engine.
@@Dr_Xyzt the udud crank pin layout is caused by the packaging constraints of the manifolds. Yes, they couldn't get a true twin plenum intake under the hood so they changed the crankshaft to literally the only engine to ever use this layout. When I first saw a picture of It, I thought it was a joke. If the engineers wanted a lightweight crank, an aftermarket piece off the shelf would be lighter than the piece they came up with, with some aftermarket forgings weighing as little as 44lb. Even the dual mass flywheel is heavier than on the 5.0l and the twin disc clutch is really expensive. A middleweight flywheel from the aftermarket would have saved more weight from the rotating assembly and would have cost less than $300. The flat crank is a huge waste of time on these engines.
I think it's about harmonics with the flat plane crank not so much the actual rotating mass.
Love my Gen 1 2014 GT...it's a mutant with a 2015 casting on the drivers side and a 2014 casting on the other. Seems to run well.....
my 2014 F150 5.0 has the 15 casting on the drivers side as well
@@alecmejias85 there are a few weird things about my 14. It's got grille fogs it shouldn't have, the stock tune was definitely sharper than my 2012, it's an odd combo of sport suspension and automatic. Guess late in the game they were chucking stuff at the Salk a bit....
The improved the 2013-2014 5.0s even tho they’re still gen 1
@@patrickgowdy7656Was going to chime in there. The 2013 and 14 got a bit of improvement from ford racing teams boss 302, not much but still..
I'm glad you explained the cams and headers because I was sitting here wondering how tf it made 497 HP when they were rated at 412 HP.
Don't forget it had no accessories that take hp also(no air conditioner, no power steering, no alternator, no water pump) I don't understand why some people don't think accessories take horsepower to operate. That's first day shit.
@@mattjonesturbo1 Coyote's don't have hydraulic power steering.... unless they are swapped into a different chassis.
@@robinesavage404 no but they got all that other shit to power and spin. Not only did it have long tubes it was straight headers. That combined with no accessories makes up the hp difference hes been over this repetitvely then you still got guys commenting hey how did it make such and such when theyre rated at such and such. It isnt rocket science guys lol
When do we get to see you run a junkyard motor on 80% nitromethane ?
I love this Coyote testing. I have a Truck motor that burns oil sitting in the corner of my garage that I've yet to tear into. I hope to get it fixed and drop it in a early FOX chassis LTD or a Crown Vic some day. Till then I'll just sit on it cause it's a cool engine to have for a swap.
Finally, some Coyote content
You should try the gen 3 intake stock , then ported .
Man this a year old and jdut now seeing this man good shit
Did you ever post with the more aggressive cams? Binged all your videos so far can’t find that
Supposedly the gen 2 heads (15-17) that used on my race car flow better then gen 1's as they have bigger valves but I've never seen anyone flowbech stock gen1 and 2 back to back.
Love to see work on a 6.8L Ford V10
I've got a V10 in a 2000 E350 cargo van with 314,000 miles on it. Single 3" exhaust with a 50-series Flowmaster plus a small glass pack resonator. Sounds awful doesn't like to rev very high and gets 11 mpg down hill. Would rather have a 460.
@@chris49ford stock for stock, I've had 460's and I'd rather have the v10.
I hear this V10 does really well on Boost...
Love to see what a good valvetrain would do on this motor to up the revs and see what it could do HP/TQ
Car and Driver on the new 7.3 gas motor replacing the V10 "This new pushrod 7.3-liter V-8 replaces Ford's overhead-cam 6.8-liter V-10, an engine that sounded like a sick hippo and was even less fun to be around."
I'd love to see a max effort gen2/gen3 NA Coyote. Ported heads, ported 2018/gt350 intake, Comp cams stage 3 NSR cams.
Max effort is with a ported cj the others are all sacrificing performance by comparison. No the gt350 and 2018 gt manifold are not as good. Max effort setup is a ported cj all day every day its the best intake there is and it dont lose torque down low like the boss and gains even more up top. Same with the l&m intake cams 20 whp up top with no torque loss. Either model could hit 500 wheel on e85 the 18 does it slightly easier because of dual fuel and 1 point higher compression.
Impressive 👍 now do a 6.4 gen3 Hemi
That was without the cobra jet and stage one heads and not huge cam on pump gas.. those coyotes can be nasty if you went stage 3 heads huge cam rev to 9000 rpm with cobra jet and you can get 600whp na ... don't get me wrong I have a heads cam ls1 and I love it but those yote are nasty.. I miss my 2013
Have yet to see a 600whp 5.0 NA
I’d like to see a test on gapped rings on a gen 1 with boost I’ve seen a gen 2 with gapped rings hood 1000rwhp multiple times gen 1 and gen 2 rods are very similar
Gen 1 is only safe until 700whp vs gen 2 which can live all day at 820whp and 1,000whp on special occasions. This is due to the stronger gen 2 rods.
@@Sir.VicsMasher gen 2 with gapped rings can hold 1000rwhp I wanna if gapping the rings on a gen 1 will make it last because my gen 1 didn’t break the rod it cracked the piston from the rings touching
How do these ported heads compare to the 2012-2013 factory Boss heads?? More Coyote stuff....
Stock port flows better than boss if you get aftermarket stock equivalent boss heads and have them.ported they flow better though seems like the factory boss heads were manufactured with thinner walls on the ports so you can't do alot of porting
Thank you sir I suggested this long time back thank you
Picking up a low milage 2014 GT with a VMP blower. Would it be worth the cost to port heads or just go E85 for more power?
e85
Dropped in to remind the haters that the Coyote platform won overall Sick Week last year, set the drag and drive radial record and is currently leading Sick Week this year.
Your favorite engine platform from an oem has not done this.
You must be New to the channel-I don't have a favorite motor on the dyno-my favorite is whatever the next motor is. You know that they say about people who put others down to elevate themselves!
I’m almost done with my coyote swap. Gen2 6r80 stock converter. Boss intake. 1 7/8 headers on 93. With 4.10 gears. You think it can get my gutted fox into the high 10’s?
LET ME KNOW
Easily
I saw BOSS in the title and thought we might have some 6.2L stuff. I'll take BOSS 302 stuff, too, though.
Personally I blame squirrels
Plus we need More CowBells
9/10 people don't know how to take advantage of a high revving Coyote engine. They build an N/A motor to rev to the moon on a heavy car and don't gear it accordingly and you end up with pretty much a loud high rpm engine that gets embarrassed on the street/strip. Then they get frustrated of why they spend so much money and it doesn't perform like a boosted engine with the same power, but keyword...much better torque.
Do you remember what long tube headers these were ?
American Racing if I recall correctly
@@richardholdener1727 thank you sir
I would like to know how much torque is affected with a boosted setup if the boss intake still drops that much lower end torque operating under pressure rather than vacuum.
the intake does the same thing boosted and na-the intake helps determine the effective rpm of the motor
@@richardholdener1727 thanks for the info!
Hey Richard! Can you do a 5.4 dohc nav engine vs a coyote?
a Coyote wins that
@@richardholdener1727 could you try to big bang a 5.4 3 valve?
@@smackledorfmcsween One doesn't have to try to get a big bang from a 5.4 3v. All you need is enough cylinder pressure to squirt a plug out of it's threads.
hay Richard can u test how a stock ECU reacts to performance parts? i here that the stock ecu cant add fuel on its own and can kill power, but in college they said they can adjust AFR a little for atmospheric changes.
Richard, a question. I hope you will read and answer.
My engine currently has a Weiand 142, with carb. Let's call it a "Primary Blower." If I were to add an Eaton M90 as a Secondary, into the mix, blowing air only, into the manifold below the Primary, could I conceivably pick up the extra "90 cfm" that the Eaton provides?
The M90 makes it's boost in the blower, not in a manifold the way the Roots -Weiand does. ....... So?
the m90 is a roots blower and you would be compounding them-you need to run them in parallel
@@richardholdener1727 Hmmm....
I understand what you're saying.. Thank You.
Hey Richard how bout a turboed traditional Pontiac?Stock block and crank with good rods and pistons have been 1600 horsepower would like too see your findings!
1600 hp with stock block and cast crank? In a Pontiac?
ruclips.net/video/wXrrNxpPrIw/видео.html Not only that but how bout stock block and stock cast iron heads with 0 porting 1600 at the rear wheels...
Im building a twin turbo stock block traditional pontiac 434 now that was inspired by you! My goal is to have it streetable enough for my my wife to drive it to the grocery store and 1000-12000 flywheel for me to play with.Richard go here this is the pontiac Yellowbullet forums.maxperformanceinc.com/forums/ thx!Honestly folks go over 1000 all the time with street cars!
That's pretty funny, stock crank. There is a couple reasons this is dumb, a new iron block isn't really that expensive, new aluminum heads will add tons of power, and everyone won't laugh at you for the dangerous garbage your driving.
When you have 30k invested in the rest of the drive train, spending 3k on a block is peanuts to make sure you don't over the crank at the big end. What it looks like is those guys used a 428 block, they have some of the heaviest webs of any of the small journal blocks. It might last for a little while, but even filled that block will tear the main webs out of it sooner or later.
Honestly bud those numbers aren’t earth shattering lol.There has been a 400 factory block, Littlefield 8-71 blower, Enderle injection,
custom blower intake, on 7% nitro,three-disc glide clutch, three-speed Lenco that has run for years with a stock block he ran 6.78@201 with a GM 400 block back in 2013.As far as block any 74 and older will hold a 1000 reliable you see what really tears stuff up is a bad tune.Heck marty palbykins black 70 gto with a twin turbo 406 traditional stock block and crank with cast iron heads went 6.95 185 back in 96.But yea better parts buys some insurance without a dought lol!Still like to see Richard do a economical way to 1000 it would be neat!
Why that hole in the torque curve, I wonder? Was that there on the stock cams? Something to do with the variable valve timing curve? Was the VVT locked out on these cams? I notice that, although the Boss intake produces less torque down low and in the midrange that it also seems to flatten that hole.
Interesting stuff.
It's probably mostly vvt tuning with those cams. Mid-range with were most of the vvt stuff happens. I say that because it stays that way with every combination they tried.
The 2ZZ in my DD Celica does the same thing except it's even more dramatic because it has vvt and lift.
@@177SCmaro That's interesting, too.
I think you should do gen 1 motor with gen 3 intake vs cj intake on gen 1 . You need to do top mods on coyotes as well and whats the best brands of parts . You want ideas i can give them to you .
Ported intakes . Boss 302 sucks for torque
i hope we see this motor with two turbo in the next video
Could you do a proper video of how to install cam bearings on ls engine's?? Maybe one with rotating assembly still in??
Curious why didn't you run the Cobra Jet intake
This is a test from like 2011 or 2012. I don't think the CJ intake was available then.
WAS NOT INVENTED YET
Gotcha 👍🏼
Add another liter to that combo and it'd make a good truck motor!
Richard, do you know what is optimum airspeed in intercooler piping at turbo motors, some say that it must be lower than 0.3mach, but internet does not know the OPTIMUM flowspeed! Do you know? Or do anyone know?
You really want it to peak at about 300ft/s. After that youre gonna start having issues with pressure drop. With really good tubing you might be able to go a little higher but 300fts gives you a good balance of restriction and inertia. Lots of time you'll find this matches the factory throttle body size pretty well.
Are you measuring actual air speed or just calculating it? I'm actually more concerned about what the dyno numbers say!
@@richardholdener1727 I'm just calculating it, because i'm raising the boost up and original intercooler piping is 60mm, and i have calculated that with this tube size i have a 300ft/s airspeed, which might be just good. I asked this because i need to know if i get any gains to enlarging intercooler piping size at 60mm to 2.5". Of course i'm interested with the dyno numbers more than this kind of mathematical nonsense. Keep up good work. And greetings from Finland!
@@jussialanko6597 you will almost always get better numbers with bigger tubing. Lengths of tube have a pressure drop no matter how good they are. I've read a magazine article where going from a 3" to 4" tubing in and out of the IC was worth 12hp on a 1000hp blown Windsor. Is it worth power? Yes, definitely. Is it worth it? Maybe not. A turbo combo with a manifold referenced wastegate will have very little difference whereas the article I referred to had a Vortech blower. Going from 60mm to 2.5" is barely a change. It's like 5mm different. That's a lot of investment in parts that will have very little difference in power.
Still would love to see a v ten stuff
2018 GT manifold is an amazing unit, have you run that one yet?
those do work well
I got set of cams from a boss 302 boss can they be installed on a 1st gen coyote?
Wouldn't u need springs and possibly boss heads as well? What was the verdict my dude?
Hey Rich do you think you could have got a little more with current tuning equipment/software? I don't think its going to make a big difference but maybe the 590hp range if you pushed it but I understand your point that it was a "keep it together" test but if you were doing it today I know you'd push it hahaha.....
current tuning software won't change the optimum AF and timing values-we found those
Hell ya the coyote content is here!
I'd like to see this test done with a ported intake.
What makes the graph wavy like that? Some kind of resonance with air flow?
More coyotes please
thank you!
We're the cams locked out?
yes-did not mention phaser install
Would that explain why the the twin TQ peaks seem to be smoothed out to 1?
Richard do gen 3 heads fit gen2 engines?
How does the stock Coyote head flow compared to a LS3 head?
not sure on Coyote head peak flow
Do a Coyote vs 5.4 Navigator engine.
Good video
Please dyno a 3rd gen with mods!!
I’m with ya Alex!!! I’ve got an S550 gen2 15GT. I’m waiting patiently for someone like Richard to get one and just start throw the kitchen sink at it!!!! Intake, headers, cams, ported heads and so on. Then blowers of every kind, and of course nitrous!!!
Like how this debunks that these motors don't make torque. 12-13 boss 302 heads are factory cnc ported. Should get you a set of those to test
Check his video coyote vs 4.8 5.3 and 6.2. Only the big motor can beat the coyote,,,in torque as well
Richard, What fuel was used for testing?
91
@@richardholdener1727 impressive
I used those same parts all except I used the largest cams, which were the largest available at the time and made 465rwhp on a chassis Dyno. Although, I feel the numbers were lower than they should have been due to running bias street slicks on the Dyno. Lol. It's all I had at the time and my Dyno session was on very short notice. Also, mine was on 93 octane pump gas.
More coyote stuff please
Richard, it would probably be better to use a burner email account for stuff like this.
Need to gen 3 test
Where is the Techno music?
Yay! We asked and you answered!
Keep them coyotes coming
Would like to see a gen 2 or 3 yote on the dyno with a max effort na build
Love my gen1 coyote :)
Man you sure jump around lot the last thing I remember you was going to put a tune port manifold on the 4.3
I didn't realize that AOL is still around. Lol.
Need more like this
Right on
Great!
Great video Richard. I'm curious as to how much the VCT would have helped HP/torque throughout the rev range. I'll assume, your tune was adjusted for top end HP? Thank you.
Curious to see a coyote with stage 3 heads+ stage(x) cams+ boss or cobra jet intske!
How much on dyno do you think it would get? :)
we've done over 600 hp on the gen 1-probably more on a gen 3
@@richardholdener1727 oh!
Hi Mr Holdener!
I'm a fan of yours!
I didn't know but I knew you over a dacade!( I bought at least 3 of your engine books!)
Thanks for the reply!
For now, I can't afford a muscle/sport car (I'm completing the equivalent of a master degree) but it's just a matter of (short, hopefully!) time before I get a 3v or 4v s197, a c5 or c6 or a 4th or 5th gen camaro.
Still can't decide!!
They all have their pros and cons!
I listened to (a bit too much!) a lot of your videos.
Great guy!
Cheers and thank you🙏🙏
Need gen 3
Captions?
Needs time to be auto generated by YT
yes please!
Supercharged please 😆
Love giveaways but let a ford guy have the stuff this time. I need the LS stuff please. Lol
He's selling to the highest bidder to support the channel. No giveaways here.
*drool* I wish I could wedge a Coyote engine in my '64 Ranchero! Awesome Video! Thanks Richard!
How wide is the suspention/fenders? The coyote is 29.5in wide up top and fairly narrow down low.
@@177SCmaro omg, I forgot to measure, I have my project at my sisters house and I went there tonight with the explicit purpose to measure it and I forgot lol. I'll Updated you tomorrow or the day after. Sorry man, but im pretty sure you have to cut the shock towers and maybe even have an issue with the headers.
@@mikev.7361 For some reason I didn't realize the rancho used that narrow shock-tower type suspension. Yeah, it might be challenging to squeeze a Coyote in there.
I am interested in the cams if still available
6.8 2v , v10
First.
Coyote 👍
Is it safe yet to tell the story of how you got a yote from ford in 2010 ?? 🤣
boss302 intake is not that great you lose so much torque
The car will be faster in a wot redlining situation but if you care about not losing any torque the boss aint for you. Try a porter cobra jet it costs more but even more gains high with no torque loss its the best intake for the coyote to this day none of the others beat it out.
dont give the 5.bros pointers, cmon now its going to get into their heads lmao
Looks spendy.
Looks way to complicated I’ll stick with the LS for less 😁
They are. But you don't get stronger swimming with the current 👍
@@177SCmaro That's how people drown, but i get it, kinda boring doing same old thing
@@randydudenhoffer9245
lol, wasn't being literal.
@@177SCmaro i know
@@randydudenhoffer9245
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Maybe in ten more years the Ford powerplants will be as good as a 1998 LS1 with a cam swap.
They will always be under because of displacement. Look at comparable mods on a 4.8 and tell me how much power they make.
@@ianm432
The 4.8 was never a hi performance motor its a truck motor if it had 3 more cams and 16 more valves it would be in the same class, but lets put turbos on each stock 4.8 and 5.0 and see who comes out on top or who comes into pieces first.
@@tpeace2160 *facepalm*
@@tpeace2160
You do realize the coyote is in the f150, right? And that the f150 is a truck?
And defending the 4.8 based on it's lack of dohc is the same as defending the coyote due to it's relative lack of displacement to the ls1. You kinda made his point for him.
@@177SCmaro
The engine he is testing is a 5.0 HP for a GT Mustang not the truck version. I know the 5.0 comes in trucks. Every body knows 4 valves are HP engines from aircraft to motorcycles to autos that's the reason the 2 extra valves are there no other reason. The top fuel Hemi has only 2 valves and a big blower that is also HP engine. Two valve 4.8s are not HP engines but they can be modified to make more power like anything else, you can spend enough money you can make almost anything make power, then it maybe a HP engine but it was not design as one no more than a 300 Ford inline 6.
Once again almost 12 minute video and there's three minutes of content in there that is useful quit all that jibber jabbering show your test and move on you waste people's time and really to be fair that's a lot of money spent for like 45 or 50 horsepower you want to make big horsepower get an LS
Who cares. Gm ls lt FTW
No
426 hellcat ftw
Junk