Given how intense the training Might Guy put them through honestly without his heart Guy was pretty much next to Danzo and the Blood Mist Village training the closest thing to Spartan training. Guy had to know Neji and Lee were possibly gonna fight in the Chunin exams in character Neji and Lee would both know they cannot hold back though I am 90-95% sure if Lee makes it to 5 Gates Neji is royally screwed I mean weightless Lee is one thing but 5 Gates Lee speed blitz Neji and beats him bloody. The only way Neji can win in like 1-2/10 scenarios is if he manages to chakra block Lee's points to the point Lee cannot use the gates though for all I know activating the Gates themselves could just be a repeat of what Naruto did to Neji so theres that
@@LokiTheCleverNah. it was filler Shura proved that blocking chakra points blocks the gates. Shura tapped the point again to unlock it, the reason why he was able to activate it during their fight.
Free my family ThunderGod, they have nothing to do with this fictional powerscaling beef. It's ME you want, and I'm ready to face you with my full power. I will meet you behind your favorite restaurant Applebee's as you demanded, just let them go.
I appreciate you for not downplaying my boy Neji. Your analysis of the Lee vs Neji fight is spot on. I think Sasuke would perform better than Lee at the close range taijutsu due to his Sharingan, the main issue is that every gentle fist blow from Neji has K.O. potential which puts Sasuke at a disadvantage
In relation to the Drunken Fist, one could say Lee is actually getting stronger via a shift in his mental energies which composes his chakra. Gaara's automatic sand does actually seem like it cannot move when he is paralyzed. Momoshiki gripped him in his hair then knocked him out without his sand responding when they went to rescue Naruto. The databooks typically do not list hand seals for jutsu, though the Raikiri and Chidori both eventually need none, so it is indeed a moot point regardless. (The highlighted symbols are the jutsu catagories, not the seals.) Naruto was able to intercept Gaara and shield his toads from the sand attacks somewhat even before his mental amplification, though some would just say Gaara was toying with him.
Brother, I think Sasuke tagging Neji with Chidori is a tall order isn’t like Negi just gonna let him do it. It isn’t like chidori is some massive blast. It’s concentrated on the hand, Neji, fighting style is literally tied to where he slaps your hands away so they don’t even connect, pretty sure Sasuke would wind up just getting his hands slapped away
If you go back and rewatch Sasuke’s fight with Gaara, he is a whole lot more bothered than I remember him being. And he even says “good this ( Gaara hiding) will give me the time I need“. He was even visibly getting low-key exhausted from the defensive sand after a while. He couldn’t maintain the speed easily. We essentially have an opponent who can do what Lee does for a finite amount of time.
Hmm also considering Neji also has precog along chidori being a really fast palm thrust at the end of the day. I mean, even Base Naruto from the final valley can overcome Sasuke's 2t precog and clash with chidori in base without special eyes yet that Naruto doesn't scale anywhere close to 2nd gate lee using the lotus based on objective fact.
that thumbnail was fire tbh, and I agree that I usually don't like how little people don't go in-depth with this matchup. It's too good for chuunin exams potential
Thoughts on black clover power scaling? Sorry for the comment not about the video. I feel like it’s not talked about even amongst prominent anime scalers on RUclips. Maybe a cross verse video would be cool! Not sure where early/end black clover availing goes but I think it would be a cool topic to just talk about
Wait, What do you means Neji lost the Clash of his Rotation and Naruto's Kurama Chakra Amp? Neji didn't even do a full rotation yet still manage to block the majority of the attack. He was even still able to stand right after before he got Chin Checked by Naruto.
Naruto took the same impact, made a clone dug underground and one shot Neji, in no way shape or form did Neji win that clash. Its worst too cause if you go off Tenten’s assessment it means Naruto took even more damage since his own attack got redirected via rotation.
@@ThunderGodTGyou can say he didn’t win it but definitely didn’t lose it, going by the anime I don’t know the manga said, But the proctor hinting that Naruto was being pummeled into the ground while planning that game shadow clone uppercut fake out combo
I think in case of sasuke neji will not underestimate uchiha and will perform full scale rotation... if shifting in couple foot step rotation was enough cancel kuybi chakra mode.... it will enough cancel out chidori
@@BBB.oo7 Exactly. Naruto didn't land a clean hit on Neji through the Rotation but they indeed clashed with their Kunai with Neji doing a what looked like about half a rotation. Then we have to remember when Naruto first used the Chakra of Kurama in this fight he was visibly healing
A chakra multiplier is a stat multiplier as chakra is literal physical energy mixed with mental The Narutoverse has always used controlled chakra to buff stats so the more you have the more your stats increase
It’s not if that was the case the concept of chakra control would never be relevant. Chakra does buff stats but it’s via chakra control the buff becomes usable. The Bijuu/Jinchuriki concept embody this. If this was the case Sasuke would never be ~ to Naruto, or Madara to Hashirama. + Jirobo says he’s 10x Stronger which is later clarified in the Sakon/Ukon fight to be x10 the amount of chakra. While chakra can raise your stats a prevalent theme in P1 is Naruto’s absurd chakra & bad chakra control which is later refined to just make him stronger despite him not actually doing all that much physical training / mainly chakra control.
@@ThunderGodTG “The NarutoVerse has always used controlled chakra to buff stats” Like Ive said and like the series implied the more controlled chakra a person has the stronger their stats are as physical energy is stats and mental energy is mind defense/offense The OG Naruto explains this with the Clone Jutsu explanation
This is 100% my point we have no idea the level of control from the Sound 4 nor do any of their stats shoot up 10x. They don’t go from contending with to outright blitzing people who were competing with them in base. I’m not saying it’s not an increase but, it’s not a straight multiplier since the control of the individual is variable to what they can use for their stats and jutsu output.
Bro how you compare a whirlwind of chakra moving at high speeds meant to deflect jutsu to a physical static sphere made of sand hardened by chakra meant to block attacks due to it's high durability?! I think it's way more likely that the linear attack of a chidori would be deflected/rerouted... like as soon as chidori hits the rotation it's straight line trajectory would be changed causing him to miss his initial target being Neji and run into a wall or something and waste the attack...
I actually don’t disagree and wish I added a little bit explaining this, the point I was making is that the upper limit of what Neji can repel is not measurable aside from the measurements we have not that the two operate the same.
@@ThunderGodTG Yea I get that but you implied that Gaara's was a superior defense when I think they just work completely differently and one isn't superior to the other... what I'm tryna say is the way they block attacks are completely different and because of that the way chidori would interact with each of them would be different as well... Neji's deflects and Gaara's tanks... they are comparable but both have their own pros and cons and situations where it would be better to use one over the other... For example Gaara's would be better at stopping a physical attack like a speeding truck but Neji's would be better at blocking ninjutsu like a great fireball (in this example if the situations get reversed I believe Neji would get ran over and Gaara would be baked like he was in an oven)... Gaara's defense was penetrated by a highspeed focused piercing electric thrust ninjutsu and Neji's was with a highspeed piercing physical attack being an arrow from Kidomaru... Plus Neji can push chakra out his chakra points to avoid hits to vital spots like he did during Kidomaru fight so even if Sasuke was able to piece with Chidori it would be weaker after forcing it's way thru rotation and Neji would push it away from hitting his vital organs and with Sasuke's hand lodged in Neji's shoulder he'll be right where Neji wants him for a gentle fist barrage or 64 plams! Also Gaara's defense blocks his vision so he has no idea what the enemy is doing without making a sand eye which could be targeted and destroyed so he can't effectively plan to counter attack like Neji can... That's my opinion on the matter... I've always been on Neji's side for this one lol but I did enjoy the video tho and appreciate you taking the time to respond!
Idk TG, saying That the Naruto that fought Neji and the Naruto that fought partial transformation Gaara can't be compared sounds like a logical fallacy. The fights took place on the SAME DAY. Naruto isn't a Saiyan. And due to the circumstances around Hinata and his blood promise to her, you could argue he had a similar mental amp
@@ThunderGodTG but to Naruto and in character, breaking a promise is just as good as dying. You can't really scale mental amps but his physicals should be exactly the same
You can 100% scale mental amps off the feats they perform. If one amp provides a much more substantial feat it’s much more prevalent. Naruto also wasn’t mental amped really during the fight with Neji.
sigh, so much to say here and so much wrong. but yea, you are right nube. U can compare them and it's made quite clear in the manga that the kurama amp is far above the amps he got vs gaara. It's stated , shown and cemented multiple ways.
@@ThunderGodTG Come on now. Naruto was mental amped vs neji. Naruto was mentally nerfed then Hinata boosted his morale before the fight. Neji noticed this through his Byakugan, which was also consistent with Gaara's observation before the 100 years of death. Naruto was significantly mentally strengthened against Neji, particularly just before their clash with the rotation. Indeed, without that mental boost from the Hokage statements, he would have been defeated by Neji before their final clash. However, it was evident that he was even more mentally fortified when he summoned the 2,000 clones and Gamabunta, as those are what I consider protective amps. Either way he was mental amped vs neji. I was trying to hold back but i had to jump in just a bit here.
The great war persists. Some aspects are objectively incorrect, and the answers to questions posed can be found directly within the chapters which I can highlight if requested. I will not provide an extensive list of issues but will note that my point about summoning was not refuted, not in the slightest. But you are getting closer to the actual winner. Great vid either way so hold this like and comment as usual. It's a joy to hear. your intros lol
Neji wins this time. Sasuke being almost as fast as Lee doesn’t make a difference here cause neji trains with Lee all the time and beats him every time. Up close Sasuke loses. Specially since Sasuke stamina is lower than lees. He’ll tire out faster. And further range Sasuke doesn’t have hard hitting jutsu either. Fireball is a joke and never kills anyone. Only Madara used it effectively. Chidori is deadly but why would neji let Sasuke charge up? Neji uses shuriken shown against Naruto. And even if Sasuke manages to launch forward towards neji, neji can just dodge it. Dude dodged kidomarus arrow that is much faster. Then proceeds to poke Sasuke. The only way Sasuke winning this is if he pulls out some sticks and throws em at neji really really hard.
@@andrepayne4349right, even imagining that sasuke can hit the chidori (he can’t) neji could use his chakra to redirect it to a non fatal spot, and then one tap sasuke’s heart gg.
This encounter could go either way, Neji can beat all versions of Sasuke before the Chunin Exams Finals, but I think that Chunin Exams Finals Sasuke has a slightly better chance of winning, although... Neji can still win also... so their encounter will be very unpredictable in my opinion... 🤷🏻♂️☯️✌️
@DavidLucian Neji wins by a landslide. Even if Sasuke uses the CM to restore chakra, he would still be critically injured because the Gentle fist also damages the internal organs, like what happened to Hinata.
Thundergod! Wouldnt you say the "Unrivaled superspeed" quote is more likely to be from Gated lee? I say this because in the databook it specifically shows post-Gaara fight lee for the statement. Aka after he showed his 5th gate, and blew everyones mind with his speed. Seems to directly correlate. Or theyd of used a picture of lee in his normal attire like they did everyone else.
Yeah I believe I mention that in the video as well but, that picture point is really good, I think it can just as easily be argued as base since it shows base Lee so its just hard to judge all around. Lee can be in Base and be unrivaled while also being unrivaled in Gates as well.
@ThunderGodTG I get u Too me though, sure they "showed base lee". But if you further that line of thought. They showed a lee who's injured and can't fight so would mean injured...no useable leg lee would be unrivaled speed? It makes more sense it's in reference to the time period, aka post the garaa fight. Which encompasses all it's feats as obvious proof. Just my 2 cents tho
@@Telarius It is evident that the reference is to Gated Lee, which is indisputable. Weightless Lee cannot be considered unparalleled in speed if Preliminary Neji, who is less skilled than Final Neji, defeats him in taijutsu even when enhanced by the second gate. This is consistent with Lee's initial battle with Sasuke and the lesson on speed. This, along with all other achievements, particularly those against Kimimaro, solidifies the argument. While Neji's foot-speed or body flicker speed may not equate to his raw combat speed, nothing suggests it falls below Weightless Lee's level and is quite the opposite. Gai's remark about Lee's unmatched speed clearly pertains to his gated state, as the context explicitly indicates if you read the manga properly. At most, he might be slower than first gate weightless in running speed, and that is the extent of it.
@@Telarius 3rd or 4th Gate combined with hidden lotus since it's the only time he gets too fast for someone who can canonically deal with his 2nd gate lotus amped speed or his non hidden lotus amped 3rd gate speed. Since the hidden lotus is a special move u can choose to use or not use with the 3rd gate. Like morning peacock it's an amp to speed. So yea, 5th gate and 4th or even 3rd combined with that move are unrivaled to that day and beyond. I have videos coming out to clear these simple things in more fine tune detail
Wouldn't rotation work better against Chidori than the sand defense? The sand ball is a stationary target allowing a steady surface to stab into. Rotation, however, is moving at high speed and most likely would smack Sasuke's hand out of the way. Though they are similar levels of defense they function very differently. Rotation vs Naruto's chakra aura is also different than a Chidori attack. a nebulous aura of chakra isn't a solid thing that can be struck away like someone's hand could be. That is just what makes sense to me. I think Sasuke could win in different ways but it wouldn't be a direct attack with chidori on rotation.
On paper Neji has better stats. Sasuke is scaling to Lee in speed who Neji handles easily. Neji saw Lee fight Gara and didn’t sweat until Lee opened the final gate. And then he trained. Rotation is deflecting chidori.
I interpret the Gamabunta summoning as part mental amp and Naruto squeezing out the dregs of Chakra he has left. After this point the only jutsu he uses is a transformation and then can't even get up after a headbutt and 2 haymakers. Sounds about right if Gamabunta's summoning was fueled by his own chakra. One of the themes in this arc specifically was Naruto learning to use Kyuubi chakra and just the eyes turning red for a small panel is too little of a visual indicator considering what we saw in the Neji fight and then a few minutes after this. We've never seen Kyuubi Chakra be THAT subtle, even Rasenshuriken was still blue eyes even though they had the slit.
Why bother having the slit and the eye turn red,and the “i’m out of chakra?”We already established in the Neji fight he can just pull out kurama.The build up doesn’t have to be the same because his chakra points are still open.
@@Archer170 Because Naruto has NEVER used Kyuubi chakra without it being VERY clear that he is using it. Anime characters push past limits all the time. The only time statements of "lack of energy" hold weight is if the character in question is literally sprawled out on the ground and can't get up.
Neji doesn't need rotation to take care of chadori , the whole point of rotation is to take care of your blind spot or your being overwhelmed. It's more of a flex that Neji does it in the chunin exams , he was showing of to spite the main family. Neji can react to the chadori if Lee thought he needed four gates to take on Neji , you'd have to scale the running speed of the chadori to that level , maybe second gate . Anyway great video. Can you do a video on what would have happened if the Hyuga settled in the sand village and on top of gentle fist the Hyuga became the premier puppet users. With there ability to use chakra from each chakra point, They wouldn't need to make body modifications to use more than 100 puppets at a time, and the Byakugan expanded vision makes it easier to react than sosori ever could.
When people do interaction between Neji and Chidori, they always default to him using rotation, but what if he looked at it, and just thought rotation wouldn't work and tried to dodge it instead? Do people think he would be capable of such a feat?
@@edot5486 I didn'tstate it, but the question was more along the lines of "Why don't people talk about this as if it can't be done?" I'm certain her can just blatantly dodge Chidori. I think Neji just beats this Sasuke pretty blatantly.
Nejis defence does better than gaaras defence and heres why: Gaaras defence is hard but is stationary while nejis rotation will change the direction of the chidori making it difficult to land for sasuke(chidori misses 7/10) Also what you used to Guage the rotation;the clash with kubi chakra naruto was an incomplete rotation,Neji didnt even complete one 360 turn😂 because narutos increase in speed was a surprise.
You think Neji’s Rotation gets stronger the longer it’s active? The arguments against Rotation also aren’t relevant to the Kyuubi Clash they’re off the Databook threshold
Not provable at all nor is it ever implied, the only point where that’s even remotely the case is when something else slams against the rotation making it accelerate faster than Neji himself can make it. Neji clearly had a cap out limit to how fast he can move and you can’t just arbitrary determine when he reaches it, the fact the ground is already indented as it is when he uses rotation displays he met the prerequisite. This also blatantly doesn’t address the main argument that chidori scales over the defense Neji is directly shown to be ~ to.
@@ThunderGodTG my point was ,tg, is that neji was not able to complete his rotation as the rotation along with the outward force of his chakra is what makes the defence(pretty obvious)and naruto was able to stop him with speed(neji was caught off guard) from completing the defence
19:40 Upon review of chapter 104, Neji didn’t lose the clash. They canceled each other out. Naruto does burrow in the ground after, but Neji does repel the attack prior to that. Naruto simply had enough chakra to do something else. And I wouldn't put Sasuke's chidori above Naruto's cloak in terms of chakra potency and quantity. Neji would have less chakra he'd have to repel against Sasuke's chidori. I think Neji blocking chidori revolves around whether or not he can react to it rather than how powerful these attacks are.
The AP arguments for Chidori aren’t predicated on Neji canceling out the clash. I say he “lost” since even when he hit Naruto with the same amount of damage he came out of the scuffle FAR worse. I should have clarified but, I was referencing their clash as a whole not just where they hit each other.
Neji when he clashed with naruto was mentally conflicted and already fatigue while naruto just got more power and probably healed a little as well. Also didn't neji try to speed blitz the spider guy off rip after cutting the webs.
@@if7723 sasukes sheer aura will paralyze him like oro, sounds stupid but lowkey could work he did it to kabuto the fear hax end of part 1 and when he killed oro 💀
You see this is something i always wanted to see. Chunin exam Sasuke vs Neji. Most people just said Sasuke easily but I i felt like they never put too much thought in to it. I always figured from statements and reaction Lee likely needing the 4th gate at least to overwhelm Neji. I know people say he struggled and lost to Naruto but lets be honest, rewatching that fight Neji could have ended it sooner. He had a point to prove to Naruto. Something he wouldn't have to prove to Sasuke as they're both geniuses but Naruto called out Sasuke on it after his fight with Lee. Nobody trained as hard as Lee, Sasuke did not really put that effort in. Anyway not to trail off. I always saw it as Neji was fast enough in reaction, attack and defense to overwhelm weightless Lee by such a huge margin Lee couldn't even state he was close to him. So Sasuke with Lee speed with the downside of stamina draining would still get pushed back. Although the Sharringan can help the problem is he can't fully avoid the gentle fist strikes. And if Sasuke arms or legs get tagged too much he might not be able to even use Chidori. Not to mention it is game over if Sasuke gets hit with 64 palms. Granted curse mark might help if it came to that. But I haven't looked into that scenario. On the flip side chidori may not be a sudden win. We saw that people can take it and still live and function. Add in palm rotation possibly deflecting the target to a less vital area because I'm positive Chidori can pierce it albeit at reduced speed and power. So potentially Neji can still fight possibly with one arm and kicks. So i really think the fight can still be 50/50. I would honestly like to see Sasuke lose to humble him more. Although Sasuke winning just barely would have been doped for his confidence.
This encounter could go either way, Neji can beat all versions of Sasuke before the Chunin Exams Finals, but I think that Chunin Exams Finals Sasuke has a slightly better chance of winning, although... Neji can still win also... so their encounter will be very unpredictable in my opinion... 🤷🏻♂️☯️✌️
the difference between palm rotation and Gaaras sand is that its neji himself spinning, so not only is it the chakra being emitted and rotated, but its also nejis hands so unless he goes through nejis hand neji can catch his arm or redirect the trajectory. Peircing the rotation doesnt directly pierce nejis body, because its an arms length plus maybe a few inches of chakra before it then reaches nejis body. Something spearlike, like chidori could get the itachi treatment.
In that type of way one can argue it’s inferior in its defensive properties and superior in misdirection, however the main issue is that there’s no verifiable upper limit for the rotation aside from the statements made, with a lot of arguments for Rotation being just assertions of the Kidomaru fight (which is a stronger Neji) or head cannon. Dudes Neji grabs Chidori tho is fucking insane, literally only Kakashi & Itachi performed that type of feat with the ladder literally blitzing Neji & Sasuke himself.
@ThunderGodTG yeah, that was just my thought on it, it's definitely arguable and either version benefits neji in a way, because it's plausible with his byakugan he can still see what's going on and pre-empt his next move, but he will need good control over his rotation to achieve that. Again my thoughts on the chidori vs rotation can be swayed either way but logistically for it to beat rotation it would have to go through it, and if it does will he hit his body? His hand or mis time it and neji facing sideways and he grazes his front or back mid spin. I agree with your 6 or 7 out of 10 more so 6/ 10 rating. But who wins more can go either way. But I hate sasuke for killing itachi so I vote neji. Lol
@@manny9191 Yeah Chidori literally just has higher assertions, like Neji's Rotation isn't deflecting a Raikiri from Kakashi but, it is from Sasuke? How do you make that arbitrary distinction about the upper limits? You can't which is a big issue with arguing Rotation, it's arguing the fundamentals of the Jutsu vs how strong the technique actually is which doesn't work in these types of discussions for obvious reasons.
@ThunderGodTG yeah I hear that, like I said I don't disagree, there just isn't much info on the upper limits which is down to I interpretation in a real fight. But with the benefit of the doubt if nejis defence doesn't work then it's down to hand to hand unless he's catch by surprise from the attack and dies lol
As far as Chidori. Keep in mind precision is needed. An interference of chakra that is rotating will not allow Sasuke to get the sure hit KO. We’ve actually seen this with Kidomaru. Unlike Sasuke HE had far more experience with a piercing ability that regardless of what anyone thinks had more destructive power off of feats than THIS Sasukes Chidori AND it was also amped by level 2 curse mark. It too was then increased by a slingshot/bow but It failed to hit its Mark by Neji only emitting a small amount of chakra. Neji didn’t get in a full rotation against Naruto. Why is this never stated? Neji’s own insistence to start it followed by the immediate clash suggests it was released late. Narratively makes sense. Before he was able to clash with Naruto, and he’s prepared to do so again, but he realizes that with each step Narutos taking the chakra itself is becoming a force. That’s why he released it late he was prepared for another Taijutsu skirmish. Neji would have more time against Sasuke.
@cunningfox7838 indeed, I've created a detailed video on this topic for the channel, regarding on everything about rotation vs chidori. The reality is that Neji's speed far surpasses Sasuke's, rendering rotation unnecessary for a direct Chidori, particularly one as sluggish as the one used during the exams. In the preliminaries, Neji would overpower Sasuke, not to mention in the finals. Neji's speed is even greater than Lee's at the second gate. The first gate alone represents an entirely different level of speed, offering a true perception blitz level boost, unlike the Chidori. The latter, if judged solely on speed, is easily countered or avoided, as Lee suggests. Essentially, I'm suggesting that Lee without weights at the first gate would blitz Lee without weights, but Sasuke with a standard Chidori from the exams wouldn't blitz his base, non-Sharingan self with Chidori because it's slow enough to be easily countered or avoided. The Sharingan alters this, not by its blinding speed, but by preventing you from reacting in time. Regardless, it's refreshing to see someone who understands the manga well. I don't want to reveal too much since I'm creating content, but your comment compelled me to reply.
We have no metric to compare Kidomaru’s Bow to Chidori, while they’re both linear movement that Kidomaru scales no where. You’d have to prove one is inherently faster than the other and destructive power is just not relevant to the discussion. Why was Neji’s rotation weakened? We already see the ground is formed as it is with a complete rotation, you’d have display or prove Neji’s rotation is stronger and or faster than his initial spin. It also isn’t the main basis for Chidori > Rotation, which even if Neji can deflect or slightly throw off angle which is fair, to say he wouldn’t take damage is absurd, this all assuming Sasuke doesn’t just use it linearly and just forms it in the air or something.
@@ThunderGodTG What do you mean there’s no metric? Arrows have less mass than a person, which would enable it to travel faster with far less force, so there’s your proof, and Neji was still able to react and avoid fatal injury. Look at the distance Kidoumarus’s arrow covers in chapter 196. Sasuke with chidori isn’t even covering half of that distance within the same amount of time.
@@allmight3221 idk bro I’m one of neji’s biggest fans and I don’t see how. 3rd tomoe sasuke was dunking on kyubi enhanced naruto for quite a while. I don’t see how he compared to that tbh.
Current theory I have is kimmimaros tribe was the other half of the sage of six paths body, like how Byakugan and sharingan are said to be two halves of the same coin, kimmimaros tribe is the other half of the uzamakis, uzimakis focused more on the chalkra network why they have largers amount, kimmimaros focused soley on the physical body and developed the bone manipulation kekie genkai
imo Neji wins more times than Sasuke because he stated he needs time to perform the chidori and that Gaara gave him all the time in the world meanwhile Neji isn't going to give Sasuke any time to do the chidori even if Sasuke gains distance Neji would throw shurikens stopping the seals of chidori (we saw that neji throwed shurikens to Naruto when he was away) besides that the chidori requieres great chakra control and if sasuke is graced by the gentle fist then his chakra control would be nerfed making the technique even more difficult to do or outright impossible
What he can do but will do are different things, sasuke has never got hit by a shuriken in the history of the show lol hes the ninja tool god no glaze, people never mention his high iq ninja wire usage in every fight he had aside gaara whos immune, I mention this because neji cant catch him off guard, as for chidori he did it easily in the forest vs gaara and in the air vs naruto in the hospital, chunin exams was him literally feeling himself and showing off and trying to use the most momentum by having the highest distance since a idle gaara gave him that opportunity, but the most realistically situation I persomally see is sasuke wire trapping and baiting neji to use rotation then use a curse mark amp and decapitate him, its either take sasukes hand or take his loads of ninja tools in your neck, keep in mind one naruto punch knocked him out, sasuke has high resiliance sorry for the messy comment
@@IIIISai I diden't said that the shurikens would hit, only that would stop Sasuke from doing the seals (he would be forced to dodge) against Gaara in the forest he hide in order to have enought time to use the chidori but he can't hide from the byakugan and Neji isn't going to sit and wait there, we saw that when Naruto is away he threw shurikens to him why would not do the same against Sasuke ?
@@IIIISai no lmao that Sasuke is probably stronger he had 1 month training , if he was so nerfed after the hospital he would use it as an excuse to cope and try to convince himself that he is still stronger than Naruto (you know the whole objective of that battle to Sasuke) but he diden't he admits that Naruto is stronger. And wasn't a instant chidori, in the time he did the Chidori Naruto did the rasengan
@@IIIISai nah Lee needed to go 4th gate before Neji needed to activate his Byakugan to keep track of him and Neji’s attack speed is as fast as 4th gate Lee due to rotation training his hands are lightning fast. Sasuke is only weightless Lee level and that’s with the 1st gate amping his speed and he needs a sharingan to keep up with his own speed there’s no way his two tomoe sharingan gonna keep up with Neji’s attack speed if he already needs his sharingan at weightless Lee level as seen with the chidori
@@TheAwsomeManny people forget that base naruto was keeping up with base 2 tomoe sasuke in the hospital. Meanwhile, base naruto could not even touch Neji when Neji wasn’t even trying. Knowing Sasuke’s reputation, Neji wouldn’t mess around. We’ve never seen Neji go all out and try to kill someone until Kidomaru (who Neji confirms was stronger than the Naruto he fought in the chunin exams). If Neji wanted to he could have killed naruto before the kyubi chakra even came out (assuming 9 tails didn’t save him)
This encounter could go either way, Neji can beat all versions of Sasuke before the Chunin Exams Finals, but I think that Chunin Exams Finals Sasuke has a slightly better chance of winning, although... Neji can still win also... so their encounter will be very unpredictable in my opinion... 🤷🏻♂️☯️✌️
@@DavidLucian It’s not even close when you actually look at the evidence. Sasuke is only as fast as weightless Lee level and that’s with using 1st gate. Lee himself even admitted that he would need the gates to beat Neji, Guy states that Lee would need the speed of the “Reverse Lotus” to beat neji which requires the 3rd gate to even use, Neji wasn’t even phased by Lee until Lee opened to 4th gate where he activated his Byakugan in order to keep track of the fight. Neji takes interest at the mention of “Reverse Lotus” but he isn’t scared by it unlike 4th gate Lee awakening which forced him to activate his Byakugan to keep track of the fight. Given it took the 4th gate in order for Neji to even activate his Byakugan to keep track of Lee in the prelims we can deduce that Kyuubi Naruto was at the very least above 3rd gate level in speed and he never lost track of him and sasuke is only weightless Lee level in speed which neji can keep track of even without his Byakugan as shown in the prelims. Neji’s attack speed is roughly 4th gate level in speed and if sasuke already needs a sharingan to keep up with his own speed at weightless Lee level I don’t see how he’s gonna keep track of 4th gate speed with his sharingan if he already needs it at weightless Lee level. Neji’s speed was equal to Kyuubi Naruto both the manga and anime make this pretty clear especially the manga so that puts Neji atleast above 3rd gate level in movement speed however his own attack speed is even greater due to rotation training. Weightless Lee moves in slow motion to Neji so in all honesty neji can just grab the chidori and move it out of the way like itachi and Kakashi did, or more likely he’ll just dodge it because as deduced earlier Neji is faster.
Neji beats sasuke. The chidori isn’t saving him. Sasuke does not possess the speed to react to Neji in close quarters. Sasuke doesn’t have the chakra capacity and control to spam long range jutsu to keep Neji at bay who will simply slice the fireball in half or effortlessly dodge the phoenix fire shurikens You admitted it many times that sasuke has to run in a linear motion to pierce Neji who WILL be on guard and staring right at sasuke while he runs towards him (using less speed which does not phase Neji lol) If Neji can react to kidomarus piercing golden arrow. He definitely is reacting to a human running straight at him with the speed of his teammate who he washes everytime. Rotation isn’t even needed. A simple side step and tap of the arm to redirect that chidori into the ground or sever sasukes chakra connection. I get that y’all like sasuke. But there’s no way he’s beating neji. None.
I get disagreeing and that’s fair game even if I don’t agree with a lot in your comment but, saying A character wins doesn’t just mean you like them more. That’s not a good mindset to have in these discussions and leads to inherent bias.
Literally. The bias is INSANE and literally disgusting at this point. There morons will say anything and everything just to say Neji loses in any battle that he so obviously wins. Neji disabled a SANIN'S LEGENDARY CURSEMARK with one blow, so Sasuke's transformation isn't saving him. It is manga-cannon that he can handle everything up to 4th Gate Lee WITHOUT the Byakugan, as shown when he was observing Lee's fight with Gaara, so he's not overwhelming Neji with speed, ever. And Chidori is NOT getting through Rotation. It pulverized Naruto into the ground despite the Kyubi energy protecting him, and later on, it deflected the ENTIRE JUUBI ARM which was like the size of a MOUNTAIN. Sasuke is literally getting crushed beyond regocnition if he dares to approach Rotation with Chidori alone. Sasuke is literally obliterated in Part 1 against Neji. The w ankery for Sasuke nauseating.
@@ThunderGodTG I commented this elsewhere, but it drives me crazy. Why does no one ever discuss the fact that Neji didn’t get in a full rotation against Naruto? By him saying “I must start my rotation “and pretty desperately it implied that he was caught off guard. You see him, not even defending himself in anyway, as Naruto is running at him, totally transfixed on Naruto‘s words.
@ThunderGodTG I don't think it is uncontrollable per se. He could controll it in his fight against the chakra sucking dude. But the curse Mark is a way for sasuke to overcome sealed chakrapoints.
I'm super late on this but isn't garras sand magnet release? Which I think is earth and lighting which would explain lightning resistance, but it is tech earth style
Neji could literally 64 palms sasuke rendering him of his sharingan, chidori, and fire ball its that simple. Rotation is a force and not the standard defense like gara has. If anything it would either blow sasuke arm off or repel him. Neji arsenal counters sasuke arsenal at this time of the story
I doubt the chidori would ever pass through rotation without a huge difference in speed. Rotation is not suposed to tank the attacks like gaaras sand, but deflect then. Changing the trajectory of a piercing attack like chidori would be a lot easier than deflect a huge mass of chakra like narutos attack. Its the difference of deflecting a deadly arrow(that would kill you) with one hand and using the same force to try to deflect a heavy punching bag( that would just stagger you)
More like Chidori vs. Rotation cause if Sasuke gets touched its GG gentle fist is no joke and so is Neji’s speed as stated by Lee and Guy. Neji even claims in his fight with Naruto, as if to praise his speed feats, “You can’t get away from me” Even with weightless Lee speed, Sasuke literally has to rely on Chidori speed to end Neji in one blow because he doesn’t have the luxury or speed required to handle close combat with a Hyuga atleast without that third tomoe.
My only problem is that you never stated that chidori is cancelled by rasengan which is also just spinning chakra I get it’s more condensed but it’s still just spinning Chakra that sends people flying (Naruto vs Kabuto) I think they’d cancel out to be honest
Rasengan doesn’t function really like that it’s chakra that spinning to create the sphere not really like Neji who is rotating with the express purpose of deflecting attacks, that and rasengan is just stronger than Chidori.
@@ThunderGodTG true I guess I just looked at it as they both are spinning chakra that send you flying back like any ninja tools thrown at neji or like what happened to kabuto when Naruto hit him with it
wouldnt rotation still work becuase of the acuall physics of the spin? garas sphear is stationary. And side point garas sand may never be stated to be earth releas but lets be real what other releas would it be? Magnet releas? maybe but all the magnet users we see use some form of metal, garas sand is still sand its not iron sand or gold dust or literal metal weaponry so i do believe sasuke did have the elemental advantage.
Neji slaps this Sasuke even the whole rotation and chidori clash Sasuke is not pentatrating it going to blow up in his face like every time two chakra form attacks interact unless the rotation is earth release which is not. Then its the distance of when he do the rotation is going to coralate to the damage so if it clash five feet out Neji mostly having minimum damage compared to Sasuke just like Naruto clash with Neji but knowing Naruto have a ability to heal when he use that chakra it understandable how he got the dub but its different with Sasuke don't have a busted healing ability so the clash going the same with Sasuke actually laying there.
Also if neji survived he'd be learning rasengan right now(cause everybody learning it like they need to learn it to graduate academy nowadays) learning how to throw rasengans while rotating
This is how I believe the fight would go : Last round in the Quarter finals 1. Talk-no-jutsu, sizing each other up and then Sasuke charges with Rock Lee level speed Neji as he is way more arrogant and less composed 2. Neji is way better at taijutsu, Sasuke disengages and starts lobbing shuriken and fireball jutsus in order to create space 3. Neji either dodges or uses the Kaiten and advances slowly 4. Sasuke rushes with chidori, Neji tries rotation which slows down the attack, but ultimately the chidori passes 5. After the dust is settled Neji is found out to only have been scraped by the chidori. His rotation slowed down Sasuke's attack just enough so that his superior hand-to-hand reflexes allowed him to dodge most of it 6. Sasuke is in range, takes the 64 palms and is considered knocked out 7. The curse mark flares, Sasuke no longer has his chakra suppressing it, so it starts to cover his body while his anger builds up towards his opponent 8. Sasuke, overcome by the curse mark, rushes is with another chidori this time from a closer distance, but before he can connect, Kakashi intervenes (as he promised) and ends the match 9. Neji is declared the winner, however, this is meaningless as both now have a grudge to settle. Sasuke, believes he was betrayed by Kakashi, when he was about to win, and Neji would probably arrogantly declare his superiority. Though privately Neji, ever the pragmatist would be less sure of himself and take note to work harder towards developing better ways to counter Sasuke in their inevitable rematch.
It is incorrect to label Sasuke as a prodigy. Both Sasuke and Naruto have benefited from various plot devices and aids throughout their journeys, such as the Curse Mark, Orochimaru's assistance, plot conveniences, Itachi's intervention, and Tobi's help. Realistically, Sasuke would have been cooked by most of the Part One Genin during the Chunin Exams, with only a few exceptions like Sakura, Ino, Ten Ten, Choji, and possibly Shikamaru or Hinata. Sasuke has been saved numerous times and often receives assistance in his battles. For example, he was swiftly defeated by a significantly suppressed Rock Lee and nearly killed by him. In his base form, Sasuke is outmatched by many others. In contrast, true prodigies like Itachi and Madara are able to surpass high expectations even without additional enhancements.
@@ThunderGodTG He copied Lee’s 1 taijutsu with his Sharingan and learned Chidori, big deal. He still loses to Lee in the Chūnin exams in base or with sharingan without curse mark.
Also can Sasuke even use chidori if neji hit him? And can sasuke get off chidori ? Like i feel like neji would try to keep sasuke close bc neji seem to some what respect Sasuke unlike naruto and lee
I was thinking that while gaara’s sand is better for straight up absorbing hits, rotation is more of a deflection type of defense that isn’t just trying to tank things but bounce them of by redirecting their momentum. I could definitely see chidori being deflected
I think a lot of people are not noting even if Gaara’s defense is stronger, Neji’s Kaiten is actually MOVING at a high speed unlike the the sand, so even if it could pierce kaiten, the speed of Kaiten would obviously move the Chidori off course if not directly repelling the chidori and sasuke.
That’s not the issue with Kaiten the problem is directly ascertaining where its upper limits lie. You can only argue ninjutsu functionality within a certain range, the problem with Kaiten is people like to arbitrary place caps on what it can actually deflect instead of using what’s provided. I think changing the angle of Chidori is pretty fair but, outright deflecting is entirely baseless, rotation does not have the feats or statements. Repelling Naruto’s clones + Shuriken are not good enough feats, the last clash is completely irrelevant to the Chidori AP scaling over the Kaiten threshold. Kaiten also just has a max out in terms of speed based on how fast Neji himself can go.
@@ThunderGodTG The clash between Neji and Naruto at the end was more so Naruto using Kurama's chakra though was it not? I don't see that stated anywhere in the video, and that could be why Neji couldn't fully deflect the attack despite the fact he wasn't in full rotation nor took it on directly. Him being able to stand up from that imo is a crazy feat when you think about it. And if he could deflect Kurama's chakra leaking out to some degree, I feel like he could readily do so with Sasuke's Chidori. Especially since Neji would be very self-aware of how strong Sasuke is and his eye capabilities versus Naruto who Neji knew little of combat wise nor of Kurama and Naruto's link. Neji would use full rotation if Sasuke got close and has other jutsu he could combo into to attack swiftly after defending himself.
It’s not outright stated but, that’s a fair assumption, I’m of a similar opinion since Shukaku uses Wind Release with Gaara having access to earth & lightning.
This encounter could go either way, Neji can beat all versions of Sasuke before the Chunin Exams Finals, but I think that Chunin Exams Finals Sasuke has a slightly better chance of winning, although... Neji can still win also... so their encounter will be very unpredictable in my opinion... 🤷🏻♂️☯️✌️
You’re argument for Sasuke heavily revolves around just chidori. When has the chidori ever been successful at anything other than a finishing move? You act like Sasuke would just 1 shot with chidori, but even base Gaara gets hit by chidori and it wasn’t even a fatal wound. Chidori can also be countered by a simple substitution jutsu, like Deidara did. CM2 Kidoumaru’s arrows were many times faster than Sasuke with chidori, and Neji was still able to avoid fatal injuries, so it’s not as simple as “chidori, gg”. Sasuke has the CM but can’t use it, or he would be disqualified, as stated by Kakashi. But regardless, Neji doesn’t show much emotion and doesn’t even bother to activate byakugan when he witnesses CM Sasuke in the forest of death, yet Neji is blown away by Rock lee and activates byakugan when the 4th gate is opened. Sasuke is mainly a mid/close range fighter and Neji is far more potent up close. So to be fair, Sasuke would hit Neji with chidori and maybe take him by surprise his strings, but at some point Sasuke will get hit with gentle fist, losing the ability to use Ninjutsu. At that point Sasuke has no answer for byakugans near 360 vision, or rotation.
This first part makes no sense at all - Rasenshuriken never killed anybody so it’s not a good technique is the logic presented. It’s very much presented with Kakashi/Sasuke that Chidori / Raikiri is their ace with Kakashi not even thinking he can be hokage after losing the ability to use it in his novel. Gaara literally has an extra layer of defense on top of his skin that enabled him to eat hits from Gated Lee which Sasuke broke through on top of Gaara’s Sand. Stronger Neji fought Kidomaru who was low on chakra from a previous encounter with Raido & Genma you’d have to establish that arrow’s Speed & contrast it to Sasuke’s level, which doesn’t work since that Neji doesn’t scale to the one in the exams. Exams Neji doesn’t scale to that at all since we know he just objectively got stronger, to the point he can beat someone just stronger than Kyuubi Naruto. CM is irrelevant to this discussion since Sasuke would have been disqualified like you said but, Neji does call Sasuke “formidable” so that’s supreme cap. I don’t really care about the rest of this as I was pretty clear in the vid that Neji is just stronger overall where as Chidori is stronger than Neji. Just outright has higher assertions in terms of AP & Speed. Sasuke has Mid to Long range Ninjutsu to keep Neji back in the form of Fire style + wire shuriken combo’s I don’t disagree if Neji closes the gap he just wins, but this comment is inaccurate on top of just ignoring the nuance of the fight itself.
@ThunderGodTG You’re portraying chidori as if it’s the “end all, be all” in this fight, yet it’s never been depicted that way in the story at all. Gaara’s sand armor is irrelevant, Sasuke hit him in the shoulder with chidori, so he would’ve been fine regardless. Look at chapter 196, there’s no need to compare Sasuke’s speed to Kidoumarus arrow because common sense tells us that Sasuke has no feats that show he can cover that distance within even a fraction of the same time. There’s also no need for me to scale anything here. I’m referencing the fight with Kidoumaru to represent Neji’s general capabilities. Every ability Neji uses in that fight is an ability that any generic hyuuga can do. It’s not like Neji is using any new techniques that are different from what’s used in the chuunin exams. Sasuke can only use chidori twice without being paralyzed. So my point is, while you can say Neji will get hit by chidori, it wouldn’t finish him because he could still avoid fatal injuries using a combination of his Gentle fist abilities, similar to the kidoumaru fight. “Neji said Sasuke is formidable” Who cares? Actions speak louder than words. There’s a huge difference in Neji’s reaction to CM Sasuke compared to 5th gate Lee. Sasuke’s speed is irrelevant because it’s the same as base weightless Lee, and that’s not enough.
Sasuke literally pierced Gaara’s Sand armor wdym it’s irrelevant? Lee couldn’t even draw blood from Gaara but, it’s irrelevant for Sasuke? Sasuke also had an outside defense to break through and still performed the feat compared to Lee who even Gated couldn’t breach Gaara’s sand armor it’s not insignificant. Yeah I legit just asked for a way to display Kidomaru’s arrow speed and how that would relate to Sasuke at that time period. No shit it’d be faster than Chunin Exams, but Sasuke like Neji also just trains past that point even growing to the point he can do 3 Chidori in a day - does this on the day he fought Itachi & FV so no this doesn’t work at all, again not the same Neji. It’s so crazy how you used curse mark Sasuke as a feat for Neji and then when proven wrong it’s suddenly “who cares” especially when the character in question made the statement lmao idk just funny While I agree Base Sasuke’s Speed is = Lee his reactions are not nor is his Top Chidori Speed. The reactions are relevant as unless Sasuke’s close to Neji, Neji can’t just outright blitz him from a distance. Base Lee also just has faster travel speed than Neji which is what he uses when circling Gaara. Sasuke could run around the battlefield and Neji would never catch him unless he got Semi Close. I don’t have a problem with the Neji stance at all but, these arguments are not a good way to go about it.
@ThunderGodTG You make it sound like Gaara’s sand armor saved his life like it did against 5th gate Lee. The sand armor was irrelevant in Sasuke’s case because he was just hit once in the arm with chidori, so in that case he’s still surviving even without sand armor, which correlates to my argument about Neji surviving being hit with the chidori. Chidori is only a stronger tech strictly in terms of AP, but that doesn’t mean it’s a better tech overall. Chuunin exam Sasuke after training still loses to 5th gate Lee, and he would’ve lost to base Gaara too. Neji survives a clash with a kyuubi amped Naruto, who objectively has way more power than even CM Sasuke, so that’s plenty of proof that Neji can deal with Chidori. Also, I think the chidori’s speed never really matters. There’s plenty of times where base Naruto just clashes with it, so Neji’s rotation can do the same. I don’t understand what you’re confused about with Neji’s remark in the forest of death, but I’m comparing Neji’s reaction for CM Sasuke to 5th Lee. Again, you can see a huge difference. I think you’re argument falls apart with chidori being the main win condition because it requires Sasuke to be close, which is where Neji has the most advantage.
Id agree in power litput sasuke wins, but even watching the video, neji counters a lot of sasukes arsenal especially coming into close range. A couple hits from neji and sasuke cant even do chidori
The video is incorrect on multiple counts. Kaiten surpasses Gaara's sand because it both blocks and repels attacks. When Neji employed Rotation against Kyuubi Naruto, he effectively mitigated the full force of the Kyuubi's chakra. This is evident in their conclusive confrontation where physical contact was avoided, yet their chakras clashed visibly. Tenten later remarked that it disperses an opponent's chakra. Chidori is lightning chakra. "Chakra based attacks are useless against the Gentle Fist." In terms of speed, Neji and Lee belong to the same category and are slightly faster than Sasuke. One of the major misconceptions in the Naruto fan community is the belief that Neji is slower than Lee or Sasuke. According to Databook 2, both Rock Lee and Neji are rated 8/10 for speed, whereas Sasuke, even after mastering the Chidori, holds a rating of 7/10. Although Sasuke has narrowed the difference in speed, he still trails behind them.
You did not just claim the vid was incorrect and proceed to use databook stats as an objective measure for speed lmao not only that you used the incorrect measure, the Databook stats are each out of 5 friend, idk what you read
@@ThunderGodTG The Databooks provide a more accurate depiction of the truth compared to fan interpretations because they were created by actual staff and are considered canon. For instance, Sasuke is rated 3.5 out of 5, while Neji and Lee are rated 4 out of 5. These are fractions and anyone with basic math knows 3.5/5 and 4/5 is numerically the same as 7/10 and 8/10 respectively. Also you fail to refute, how Kaiten repels chakra. It literally repelled the kyuubi chakra which is a hell of a lot more chakra than Sasuke could output at the time. Neji can shut down his Chidori, disable his Sharingan, or kill Sasuke with a single hit. Also he defend himself against any of Sasuke's attacks. He has superior Chakra control and was a more complete Shinobi at this stage in the series. Without a curse mark I don't see Sasuke winning this.
The Databooks are referencing the characters overall attributes in reference to themselves and how strong they are in those categories otherwise all the Genin could scale to Hiruzens 3 Stat Speed. Is Sasuke as fast as Hokage Hiruzen? C’mon bro it’s showing their attributes and where they’re strong not used to compare to other entries also Idk why you doubled the initial stats it’s the same thing literally. The Kaiten point was addressed in the vid it literally failed to fully repel the chakra it clashed against, whereas Sasuke just has better AP, taking a defense above Nemo’s tier. Otherwise you would never be able to actually produce an upper limit for the rotation. Can it repel Kakashi’s Raikiri? No? How would you make that distinction unless you use the statements given. Just saying Kaiten repels chakra is not a good enough reason you have to substantiate it prove it scales above Chidori’s AP, otherwise you’re just arguing the Jutsu functionality which doesn’t give a win when against a stronger technique. I don’t care about the rest I agree if Sasuke gets caught by 64 palms and is close enough he loses.
@@ThunderGodTG These are imaginary characters, of course they will be problems and inconsistencies in the Databook. Neji has to be within at least the same speed range as base Lee. If he was slower, he’d be defeated in much the same way Sasuke was. Only opening the Gates gives Lee a Speed advantage per Might guy. Neji isn't slower than Sasuke. The point I'm emphasizing is that Neji blocking Kyuubi-amped Naruto's chakra is a significantly greater feat than blocking a Chidori, which only pierced a water tank. Naruto's chakra reserves are much, much higher than Sasuke's even without the Kyuubi. During the time skip encounter with Kisame, Neji activated his Byakugan and observed that Kisame possessed the most substantial amount of chakra he had seen since his battle with Naruto. Granted this was only a 30 percent Kisame. Neji blocked that. There are other instances to compare, such as when Gaara defeated Curse Mark 1 Sasuke. Sasuke's face showed complete astonishment when Naruto powered up and used the strength he employed "to take down the Hyuga," as Gaara described it, to defeat a partially transformed Gaara-something Curse Mark 1 Sasuke had failed to accomplish.
@@pishia1104people downplay Kaiten because an arguably incomplete one clashed with 9 tails chakra because they forget that naruto is the MC and 9 tails chakra is broken. The same 9 tails chakra allowed a much weaker version of Naruto to one tap Haku, who was arguably Jonin level and possibly stronger than Zabuza. Not to mention base naruto was doing better against partially transformed Gaara in than Lee did versus base Gaara, meanwhile on the SAME DAY base naruto could not land a single hit on Neji. Later, we see base naruto can keep up with sasuke in taijutsu and land hits on him during their hospital fight. So how exactly is sasuke landing a hit on Neji? I just don’t see it. Of course, if Kishimoto wrote the fight, I’m sure he would make sasuke win with an a** pull (similar to what he did with naruto), because sasuke is also a main character. But within the logic of the universe and fights up to that point, Neji SHOULD win.
look, if we talking like Kishimoto wrote it, sasuke would get the dub, probably get his chakra shut down, then he would use curse mark the "Refill" his chakra network with senjutsu, and sasuke would prob get the w with senjutsu amp, cause kishimoto is the biggest sasuke stan of them all
Lee in 3rd gate was hardly trackable by a Kakashi with his Sharingan active. His Chidori gives him a bit of tunnel vision without the Sharingan, but he can basically use Chidori just fine with the Sharingan. Sasuke is slower then Kakashi, doesn't have as much experience with it, and can only use a few. So if Neji scales to 3rd gate Lee or higher in reaction speed, Sasuke isn't hitting him. Worse yet if Sasuke misses he's basically in his "Sea Bear Circle" which is a death sentence for Sasuke.
This is a WILD take that idk why people say. Kakashi was using his Sharingan to see the Gates Lee was opening & commentate on it. It’s completely unrelated to speed. He whips out his Sharingan before Lee even starts opening the Gates.
Lol. more brainrot sasuke wan kery from fake fans. Neji disabled a SANIN'S LEGENDARY CURSEMARK with one blow, so Sasuke's transformation isn't saving him. It is manga-cannon that he can handle everything up to 4th Gate Lee WITHOUT the Byakugan, as shown when he was observing Lee's fight with Gaara, so he's not overwhelming Neji with speed, ever. And Chidori is NOT getting through Rotation. It pulverized Naruto into the ground despite the Kyubi energy protecting him, and later on, it deflected the ENTIRE JUUBI ARM which was like the size of a MOUNTAIN. Sasuke is literally getting crushed beyond regocnition if he dares to approach Rotation with Chidori alone. Sasuke is literally obliterated in Part 1 against Neji. The w ankery for Sasuke nauseating. The w ankery for Sasuke is braindead and nauseating. Holy heII. No one can actually read.
Also, against Kidomaru, Neji stands out as the only member of the squad that just decimates their opponent in head on combat. He closes the distance like it’s nothing. Can any of the other sound 4 even dispatch one another that fast. He’s clearly just a fast dude.
Neji hit base Gaara with hands he’s just gonna have trouble actually closing that distance very similarly to Kimmimaro who makes a similar note. The series treats long range fighters as having an advantage of close range so Neji would struggle.
Orochimaru gassing up Sasuke and saying Naruto just doesn't have it can be dismissed as a victim of retcon. Orochimaru knowing Naruto is an Uzumaki and the son of Minato and Kushina while being the jinchuriki of the 9tails makes him sound like an idiot. And he deserves more reapect than to assume he didn't connect the dots of who Naruto having the 9tails and Minato having sealed the 9tails into a baby on the night of his baby's birth... and Naruto looking about the age that child would be at the time he met him. Not to mention he has spies in the village and he was on the akatsuki whose whole thing is capturing the bijuu
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Lee saving the reverse lotus for Neji is insane. Winning the fight cannot be worth putting your teammate in a wheelchair for the rest of his life.
Given how intense the training Might Guy put them through honestly without his heart Guy was pretty much next to Danzo and the Blood Mist Village training the closest thing to Spartan training. Guy had to know Neji and Lee were possibly gonna fight in the Chunin exams in character Neji and Lee would both know they cannot hold back though I am 90-95% sure if Lee makes it to 5 Gates Neji is royally screwed I mean weightless Lee is one thing but 5 Gates Lee speed blitz Neji and beats him bloody. The only way Neji can win in like 1-2/10 scenarios is if he manages to chakra block Lee's points to the point Lee cannot use the gates though for all I know activating the Gates themselves could just be a repeat of what Naruto did to Neji so theres that
@@LokiTheCleverNah. it was filler Shura proved that blocking chakra points blocks the gates. Shura tapped the point again to unlock it, the reason why he was able to activate it during their fight.
"Hidden Lotus"
@@DontatMe-u9h Neji doesn't need to stop Gates to crush Lee.
@@blackcoffeguzzler When did i say he did?
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You are already under his genjutsu
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I appreciate you for not downplaying my boy Neji. Your analysis of the Lee vs Neji fight is spot on. I think Sasuke would perform better than Lee at the close range taijutsu due to his Sharingan, the main issue is that every gentle fist blow from Neji has K.O. potential which puts Sasuke at a disadvantage
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In relation to the Drunken Fist, one could say Lee is actually getting stronger via a shift in his mental energies which composes his chakra.
Gaara's automatic sand does actually seem like it cannot move when he is paralyzed. Momoshiki gripped him in his hair then knocked him out without his sand responding when they went to rescue Naruto.
The databooks typically do not list hand seals for jutsu, though the Raikiri and Chidori both eventually need none, so it is indeed a moot point regardless. (The highlighted symbols are the jutsu catagories, not the seals.)
Naruto was able to intercept Gaara and shield his toads from the sand attacks somewhat even before his mental amplification, though some would just say Gaara was toying with him.
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It’s great to see TG cover this interesting topic, I just wish he’d make a video about KCM Naruto.
HUH!?!?!?
Y'know, KCM N v part 1 sakura. The great unanswered question.
@@RocketGameCorner. Part 1 Sakura mogs
Thumbnail is absolutely disgusting
he always starts with, "it's TG, or ThunderGod here" and like... how are we supposed to know which one it is? they both sound the same
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This isn't TG. I believe this might be Pinoyboy using a transformation jutsu. To spread his agenda. Be wary
With a pretty interesting video
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Brother, I think Sasuke tagging Neji with Chidori is a tall order isn’t like Negi just gonna let him do it. It isn’t like chidori is some massive blast. It’s concentrated on the hand, Neji, fighting style is literally tied to where he slaps your hands away so they don’t even connect, pretty sure Sasuke would wind up just getting his hands slapped away
Sasukes wire traps will bait rotation or neji will meet kakashis dead in hell
Or even worse, he chidoris right into a rotation & loses a whole arm.
@@edot5486 bro what in the fan fiction Zlol
Or his rotation could just deflect the chidori
If you go back and rewatch Sasuke’s fight with Gaara, he is a whole lot more bothered than I remember him being. And he even says “good this ( Gaara hiding) will give me the time I need“. He was even visibly getting low-key exhausted from the defensive sand after a while. He couldn’t maintain the speed easily. We essentially have an opponent who can do what Lee does for a finite amount of time.
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It’s interesting how you say Nero wrecks him ups close, but then conclude the chidori and requires getting up close is the decider.
Hmm also considering Neji also has precog along chidori being a really fast palm thrust at the end of the day. I mean, even Base Naruto from the final valley can overcome Sasuke's 2t precog and clash with chidori in base without special eyes yet that Naruto doesn't scale anywhere close to 2nd gate lee using the lotus based on objective fact.
that thumbnail was fire tbh, and I agree that I usually don't like how little people don't go in-depth with this matchup. It's too good for chuunin exams potential
Thoughts on black clover power scaling? Sorry for the comment not about the video. I feel like it’s not talked about even amongst prominent anime scalers on RUclips. Maybe a cross verse video would be cool! Not sure where early/end black clover availing goes but I think it would be a cool topic to just talk about
Not too interested in black clover unfortunately
Wait, What do you means Neji lost the Clash of his Rotation and Naruto's Kurama Chakra Amp?
Neji didn't even do a full rotation yet still manage to block the majority of the attack. He was even still able to stand right after before he got Chin Checked by Naruto.
Naruto took the same impact, made a clone dug underground and one shot Neji, in no way shape or form did Neji win that clash. Its worst too cause if you go off Tenten’s assessment it means Naruto took even more damage since his own attack got redirected via rotation.
@@ThunderGodTGyou can say he didn’t win it but definitely didn’t lose it, going by the anime I don’t know the manga said, But the proctor hinting that Naruto was being pummeled into the ground while planning that game shadow clone uppercut fake out combo
I think in case of sasuke neji will not underestimate uchiha and will perform full scale rotation... if shifting in couple foot step rotation was enough cancel kuybi chakra mode.... it will enough cancel out chidori
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@@BBB.oo7 Exactly. Naruto didn't land a clean hit on Neji through the Rotation but they indeed clashed with their Kunai with Neji doing a what looked like about half a rotation.
Then we have to remember when Naruto first used the Chakra of Kurama in this fight he was visibly healing
A chakra multiplier is a stat multiplier as chakra is literal physical energy mixed with mental
The Narutoverse has always used controlled chakra to buff stats so the more you have the more your stats increase
It’s not if that was the case the concept of chakra control would never be relevant. Chakra does buff stats but it’s via chakra control the buff becomes usable. The Bijuu/Jinchuriki concept embody this. If this was the case Sasuke would never be ~ to Naruto, or Madara to Hashirama.
+ Jirobo says he’s 10x Stronger which is later clarified in the Sakon/Ukon fight to be x10 the amount of chakra. While chakra can raise your stats a prevalent theme in P1 is Naruto’s absurd chakra & bad chakra control which is later refined to just make him stronger despite him not actually doing all that much physical training / mainly chakra control.
@@ThunderGodTG
“The NarutoVerse has always used controlled chakra to buff stats”
Like Ive said and like the series implied the more controlled chakra a person has the stronger their stats are as physical energy is stats and mental energy is mind defense/offense
The OG Naruto explains this with the Clone Jutsu explanation
This is 100% my point we have no idea the level of control from the Sound 4 nor do any of their stats shoot up 10x.
They don’t go from contending with to outright blitzing people who were competing with them in base.
I’m not saying it’s not an increase but, it’s not a straight multiplier since the control of the individual is variable to what they can use for their stats and jutsu output.
@@ThunderGodTG which explains why curse mark hebi sasuke feels barley noticable
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Bro how you compare a whirlwind of chakra moving at high speeds meant to deflect jutsu to a physical static sphere made of sand hardened by chakra meant to block attacks due to it's high durability?! I think it's way more likely that the linear attack of a chidori would be deflected/rerouted... like as soon as chidori hits the rotation it's straight line trajectory would be changed causing him to miss his initial target being Neji and run into a wall or something and waste the attack...
I actually don’t disagree and wish I added a little bit explaining this, the point I was making is that the upper limit of what Neji can repel is not measurable aside from the measurements we have not that the two operate the same.
@@ThunderGodTG Yea I get that but you implied that Gaara's was a superior defense when I think they just work completely differently and one isn't superior to the other... what I'm tryna say is the way they block attacks are completely different and because of that the way chidori would interact with each of them would be different as well... Neji's deflects and Gaara's tanks... they are comparable but both have their own pros and cons and situations where it would be better to use one over the other... For example Gaara's would be better at stopping a physical attack like a speeding truck but Neji's would be better at blocking ninjutsu like a great fireball (in this example if the situations get reversed I believe Neji would get ran over and Gaara would be baked like he was in an oven)... Gaara's defense was penetrated by a highspeed focused piercing electric thrust ninjutsu and Neji's was with a highspeed piercing physical attack being an arrow from Kidomaru... Plus Neji can push chakra out his chakra points to avoid hits to vital spots like he did during Kidomaru fight so even if Sasuke was able to piece with Chidori it would be weaker after forcing it's way thru rotation and Neji would push it away from hitting his vital organs and with Sasuke's hand lodged in Neji's shoulder he'll be right where Neji wants him for a gentle fist barrage or 64 plams! Also Gaara's defense blocks his vision so he has no idea what the enemy is doing without making a sand eye which could be targeted and destroyed so he can't effectively plan to counter attack like Neji can... That's my opinion on the matter... I've always been on Neji's side for this one lol but I did enjoy the video tho and appreciate you taking the time to respond!
Idk TG, saying That the Naruto that fought Neji and the Naruto that fought partial transformation Gaara can't be compared sounds like a logical fallacy. The fights took place on the SAME DAY. Naruto isn't a Saiyan. And due to the circumstances around Hinata and his blood promise to her, you could argue he had a similar mental amp
They're completly separate amps one is FAR more severe and much more explicitly noted to come about via Naruto's Comrades Dying vs Kurama's Chakra
@@ThunderGodTG but to Naruto and in character, breaking a promise is just as good as dying. You can't really scale mental amps but his physicals should be exactly the same
You can 100% scale mental amps off the feats they perform. If one amp provides a much more substantial feat it’s much more prevalent. Naruto also wasn’t mental amped really during the fight with Neji.
sigh, so much to say here and so much wrong. but yea, you are right nube. U can compare them and it's made quite clear in the manga that the kurama amp is far above the amps he got vs gaara. It's stated , shown and cemented multiple ways.
@@ThunderGodTG Come on now. Naruto was mental amped vs neji. Naruto was mentally nerfed then Hinata boosted his morale before the fight. Neji noticed this through his Byakugan, which was also consistent with Gaara's observation before the 100 years of death. Naruto was significantly mentally strengthened against Neji, particularly just before their clash with the rotation. Indeed, without that mental boost from the Hokage statements, he would have been defeated by Neji before their final clash. However, it was evident that he was even more mentally fortified when he summoned the 2,000 clones and Gamabunta, as those are what I consider protective amps. Either way he was mental amped vs neji. I was trying to hold back but i had to jump in just a bit here.
The great war persists. Some aspects are objectively incorrect, and the answers to questions posed can be found directly within the chapters which I can highlight if requested. I will not provide an extensive list of issues but will note that my point about summoning was not refuted, not in the slightest. But you are getting closer to the actual winner. Great vid either way so hold this like and comment as usual. It's a joy to hear. your intros lol
you sage & virthue definitely had this 3 way sunday drop planned 😈
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Neji wins this time. Sasuke being almost as fast as Lee doesn’t make a difference here cause neji trains with Lee all the time and beats him every time. Up close Sasuke loses. Specially since Sasuke stamina is lower than lees. He’ll tire out faster.
And further range Sasuke doesn’t have hard hitting jutsu either. Fireball is a joke and never kills anyone. Only Madara used it effectively.
Chidori is deadly but why would neji let Sasuke charge up? Neji uses shuriken shown against Naruto. And even if Sasuke manages to launch forward towards neji, neji can just dodge it. Dude dodged kidomarus arrow that is much faster. Then proceeds to poke Sasuke.
The only way Sasuke winning this is if he pulls out some sticks and throws em at neji really really hard.
Samething I was thinking with Kidoumaru’s arrows. Even if Sasuke lands a hit with Chidori, it wouldn't be a fatal hit.
@@andrepayne4349right, even imagining that sasuke can hit the chidori (he can’t) neji could use his chakra to redirect it to a non fatal spot, and then one tap sasuke’s heart gg.
And not only that neji would either do that or pull a rotation and cancel the chidori out
This encounter could go either way, Neji can beat all versions of Sasuke before the Chunin Exams Finals, but I think that Chunin Exams Finals Sasuke has a slightly better chance of winning, although... Neji can still win also... so their encounter will be very unpredictable in my opinion... 🤷🏻♂️☯️✌️
@DavidLucian Neji wins by a landslide. Even if Sasuke uses the CM to restore chakra, he would still be critically injured because the Gentle fist also damages the internal organs, like what happened to Hinata.
Thundergod! Wouldnt you say the "Unrivaled superspeed" quote is more likely to be from Gated lee? I say this because in the databook it specifically shows post-Gaara fight lee for the statement. Aka after he showed his 5th gate, and blew everyones mind with his speed. Seems to directly correlate. Or theyd of used a picture of lee in his normal attire like they did everyone else.
Yeah I believe I mention that in the video as well but, that picture point is really good, I think it can just as easily be argued as base since it shows base Lee so its just hard to judge all around. Lee can be in Base and be unrivaled while also being unrivaled in Gates as well.
@ThunderGodTG I get u Too me though, sure they "showed base lee". But if you further that line of thought. They showed a lee who's injured and can't fight so would mean injured...no useable leg lee would be unrivaled speed? It makes more sense it's in reference to the time period, aka post the garaa fight. Which encompasses all it's feats as obvious proof. Just my 2 cents tho
@@Telarius It is evident that the reference is to Gated Lee, which is indisputable. Weightless Lee cannot be considered unparalleled in speed if Preliminary Neji, who is less skilled than Final Neji, defeats him in taijutsu even when enhanced by the second gate. This is consistent with Lee's initial battle with Sasuke and the lesson on speed. This, along with all other achievements, particularly those against Kimimaro, solidifies the argument. While Neji's foot-speed or body flicker speed may not equate to his raw combat speed, nothing suggests it falls below Weightless Lee's level and is quite the opposite. Gai's remark about Lee's unmatched speed clearly pertains to his gated state, as the context explicitly indicates if you read the manga properly. At most, he might be slower than first gate weightless in running speed, and that is the extent of it.
@@allmight3221 I agree. It has to reference gated Lee. But we just don't know which
@@Telarius 3rd or 4th Gate combined with hidden lotus since it's the only time he gets too fast for someone who can canonically deal with his 2nd gate lotus amped speed or his non hidden lotus amped 3rd gate speed. Since the hidden lotus is a special move u can choose to use or not use with the 3rd gate. Like morning peacock it's an amp to speed. So yea, 5th gate and 4th or even 3rd combined with that move are unrivaled to that day and beyond. I have videos coming out to clear these simple things in more fine tune detail
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Wouldn't rotation work better against Chidori than the sand defense? The sand ball is a stationary target allowing a steady surface to stab into. Rotation, however, is moving at high speed and most likely would smack Sasuke's hand out of the way. Though they are similar levels of defense they function very differently. Rotation vs Naruto's chakra aura is also different than a Chidori attack. a nebulous aura of chakra isn't a solid thing that can be struck away like someone's hand could be.
That is just what makes sense to me. I think Sasuke could win in different ways but it wouldn't be a direct attack with chidori on rotation.
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Solid video bro! I think you could really do something with this RUclips stuff if you stick with it. We all start somewhere!
On paper Neji has better stats. Sasuke is scaling to Lee in speed who Neji handles easily. Neji saw Lee fight Gara and didn’t sweat until Lee opened the final gate. And then he trained. Rotation is deflecting chidori.
I interpret the Gamabunta summoning as part mental amp and Naruto squeezing out the dregs of Chakra he has left. After this point the only jutsu he uses is a transformation and then can't even get up after a headbutt and 2 haymakers. Sounds about right if Gamabunta's summoning was fueled by his own chakra. One of the themes in this arc specifically was Naruto learning to use Kyuubi chakra and just the eyes turning red for a small panel is too little of a visual indicator considering what we saw in the Neji fight and then a few minutes after this. We've never seen Kyuubi Chakra be THAT subtle, even Rasenshuriken was still blue eyes even though they had the slit.
100% agree with everything here good stuff
Why bother having the slit and the eye turn red,and the “i’m out of chakra?”We already established in the Neji fight he can just pull out kurama.The build up doesn’t have to be the same because his chakra points are still open.
@@Archer170 Because Naruto has NEVER used Kyuubi chakra without it being VERY clear that he is using it. Anime characters push past limits all the time. The only time statements of "lack of energy" hold weight is if the character in question is literally sprawled out on the ground and can't get up.
Neji doesn't need rotation to take care of chadori , the whole point of rotation is to take care of your blind spot or your being overwhelmed. It's more of a flex that Neji does it in the chunin exams , he was showing of to spite the main family. Neji can react to the chadori if Lee thought he needed four gates to take on Neji , you'd have to scale the running speed of the chadori to that level , maybe second gate . Anyway great video. Can you do a video on what would have happened if the Hyuga settled in the sand village and on top of gentle fist the Hyuga became the premier puppet users. With there ability to use chakra from each chakra point, They wouldn't need to make body modifications to use more than 100 puppets at a time, and the Byakugan expanded vision makes it easier to react than sosori ever could.
When people do interaction between Neji and Chidori, they always default to him using rotation, but what if he looked at it, and just thought rotation wouldn't work and tried to dodge it instead? Do people think he would be capable of such a feat?
Why wouldn’t he be able to dodge? Chidori is a linear straight forward attack. Neji has dodged faster attacks.
@@edot5486 I didn'tstate it, but the question was more along the lines of "Why don't people talk about this as if it can't be done?" I'm certain her can just blatantly dodge Chidori. I think Neji just beats this Sasuke pretty blatantly.
Nejis defence does better than gaaras defence and heres why:
Gaaras defence is hard but is stationary while nejis rotation will change the direction of the chidori making it difficult to land for sasuke(chidori misses 7/10)
Also what you used to Guage the rotation;the clash with kubi chakra naruto was an incomplete rotation,Neji didnt even complete one 360 turn😂 because narutos increase in speed was a surprise.
You think Neji’s Rotation gets stronger the longer it’s active? The arguments against Rotation also aren’t relevant to the Kyuubi Clash they’re off the Databook threshold
@@ThunderGodTG the rotation adds another directional force so yes its more effective when his rotation reaches max velocity
Not provable at all nor is it ever implied, the only point where that’s even remotely the case is when something else slams against the rotation making it accelerate faster than Neji himself can make it. Neji clearly had a cap out limit to how fast he can move and you can’t just arbitrary determine when he reaches it, the fact the ground is already indented as it is when he uses rotation displays he met the prerequisite.
This also blatantly doesn’t address the main argument that chidori scales over the defense Neji is directly shown to be ~ to.
@@ThunderGodTG my point was ,tg, is that neji was not able to complete his rotation as the rotation along with the outward force of his chakra is what makes the defence(pretty obvious)and naruto was able to stop him with speed(neji was caught off guard) from completing the defence
@@vaughnjackson6297 but chidori still negs so
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Upon review of chapter 104, Neji didn’t lose the clash. They canceled each other out.
Naruto does burrow in the ground after, but Neji does repel the attack prior to that. Naruto simply had enough chakra to do something else. And I wouldn't put Sasuke's chidori above Naruto's cloak in terms of chakra potency and quantity. Neji would have less chakra he'd have to repel against Sasuke's chidori.
I think Neji blocking chidori revolves around whether or not he can react to it rather than how powerful these attacks are.
The AP arguments for Chidori aren’t predicated on Neji canceling out the clash. I say he “lost” since even when he hit Naruto with the same amount of damage he came out of the scuffle FAR worse. I should have clarified but, I was referencing their clash as a whole not just where they hit each other.
So crazy that the series deprived us of this match up. This is like Piccolo vs Vegeta never happening
Neji when he clashed with naruto was mentally conflicted and already fatigue while naruto just got more power and probably healed a little as well. Also didn't neji try to speed blitz the spider guy off rip after cutting the webs.
“I can’t let you get close!”- chael sonnen/sasuke uchia
TG better go over the super close fight between Neji with the stick in his guts (no pause, resume, full diddy😈) vs End of Shippuden Sasuke
That Sasuke is down an arm and has no chakra, Neji might actually be able to get the kill before he dies.
@@if7723 sasukes sheer aura will paralyze him like oro, sounds stupid but lowkey could work he did it to kabuto the fear hax end of part 1 and when he killed oro 💀
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You see this is something i always wanted to see. Chunin exam Sasuke vs Neji.
Most people just said Sasuke easily but I i felt like they never put too much thought in to it. I always figured from statements and reaction Lee likely needing the 4th gate at least to overwhelm Neji. I know people say he struggled and lost to Naruto but lets be honest, rewatching that fight Neji could have ended it sooner. He had a point to prove to Naruto. Something he wouldn't have to prove to Sasuke as they're both geniuses but Naruto called out Sasuke on it after his fight with Lee. Nobody trained as hard as Lee, Sasuke did not really put that effort in.
Anyway not to trail off. I always saw it as Neji was fast enough in reaction, attack and defense to overwhelm weightless Lee by such a huge margin Lee couldn't even state he was close to him. So Sasuke with Lee speed with the downside of stamina draining would still get pushed back. Although the Sharringan can help the problem is he can't fully avoid the gentle fist strikes. And if Sasuke arms or legs get tagged too much he might not be able to even use Chidori. Not to mention it is game over if Sasuke gets hit with 64 palms.
Granted curse mark might help if it came to that. But I haven't looked into that scenario.
On the flip side chidori may not be a sudden win. We saw that people can take it and still live and function. Add in palm rotation possibly deflecting the target to a less vital area because I'm positive Chidori can pierce it albeit at reduced speed and power. So potentially Neji can still fight possibly with one arm and kicks.
So i really think the fight can still be 50/50.
I would honestly like to see Sasuke lose to humble him more. Although Sasuke winning just barely would have been doped for his confidence.
This encounter could go either way, Neji can beat all versions of Sasuke before the Chunin Exams Finals, but I think that Chunin Exams Finals Sasuke has a slightly better chance of winning, although... Neji can still win also... so their encounter will be very unpredictable in my opinion... 🤷🏻♂️☯️✌️
the difference between palm rotation and Gaaras sand is that its neji himself spinning, so not only is it the chakra being emitted and rotated, but its also nejis hands so unless he goes through nejis hand neji can catch his arm or redirect the trajectory. Peircing the rotation doesnt directly pierce nejis body, because its an arms length plus maybe a few inches of chakra before it then reaches nejis body. Something spearlike, like chidori could get the itachi treatment.
In that type of way one can argue it’s inferior in its defensive properties and superior in misdirection, however the main issue is that there’s no verifiable upper limit for the rotation aside from the statements made, with a lot of arguments for Rotation being just assertions of the Kidomaru fight (which is a stronger Neji) or head cannon. Dudes Neji grabs Chidori tho is fucking insane, literally only Kakashi & Itachi performed that type of feat with the ladder literally blitzing Neji & Sasuke himself.
@ThunderGodTG yeah, that was just my thought on it, it's definitely arguable and either version benefits neji in a way, because it's plausible with his byakugan he can still see what's going on and pre-empt his next move, but he will need good control over his rotation to achieve that.
Again my thoughts on the chidori vs rotation can be swayed either way but logistically for it to beat rotation it would have to go through it, and if it does will he hit his body? His hand or mis time it and neji facing sideways and he grazes his front or back mid spin. I agree with your 6 or 7 out of 10 more so 6/ 10 rating. But who wins more can go either way. But I hate sasuke for killing itachi so I vote neji. Lol
@@manny9191 Yeah Chidori literally just has higher assertions, like Neji's Rotation isn't deflecting a Raikiri from Kakashi but, it is from Sasuke? How do you make that arbitrary distinction about the upper limits? You can't which is a big issue with arguing Rotation, it's arguing the fundamentals of the Jutsu vs how strong the technique actually is which doesn't work in these types of discussions for obvious reasons.
@ThunderGodTG yeah I hear that, like I said I don't disagree, there just isn't much info on the upper limits which is down to I interpretation in a real fight. But with the benefit of the doubt if nejis defence doesn't work then it's down to hand to hand unless he's catch by surprise from the attack and dies lol
@@manny9191 he absolutely can. Notice how he has the control to knock away Naruto’s kunai with rotation and then gracefully catch them.
As far as Chidori. Keep in mind precision is needed. An interference of chakra that is rotating will not allow Sasuke to get the sure hit KO. We’ve actually seen this with Kidomaru. Unlike Sasuke HE had far more experience with a piercing ability that regardless of what anyone thinks had more destructive power off of feats than THIS Sasukes Chidori AND it was also amped by level 2 curse mark. It too was then increased by a slingshot/bow but It failed to hit its Mark by Neji only emitting a small amount of chakra.
Neji didn’t get in a full rotation against Naruto. Why is this never stated? Neji’s own insistence to start it followed by the immediate clash suggests it was released late. Narratively makes sense. Before he was able to clash with Naruto, and he’s prepared to do so again, but he realizes that with each step Narutos taking the chakra itself is becoming a force. That’s why he released it late he was prepared for another Taijutsu skirmish. Neji would have more time against Sasuke.
@cunningfox7838 indeed, I've created a detailed video on this topic for the channel, regarding on everything about rotation vs chidori. The reality is that Neji's speed far surpasses Sasuke's, rendering rotation unnecessary for a direct Chidori, particularly one as sluggish as the one used during the exams. In the preliminaries, Neji would overpower Sasuke, not to mention in the finals. Neji's speed is even greater than Lee's at the second gate. The first gate alone represents an entirely different level of speed, offering a true perception blitz level boost, unlike the Chidori. The latter, if judged solely on speed, is easily countered or avoided, as Lee suggests. Essentially, I'm suggesting that Lee without weights at the first gate would blitz Lee without weights, but Sasuke with a standard Chidori from the exams wouldn't blitz his base, non-Sharingan self with Chidori because it's slow enough to be easily countered or avoided. The Sharingan alters this, not by its blinding speed, but by preventing you from reacting in time. Regardless, it's refreshing to see someone who understands the manga well. I don't want to reveal too much since I'm creating content, but your comment compelled me to reply.
Agreed. Neji > sasuke until sasuke gets the 3rd tomoe
We have no metric to compare Kidomaru’s Bow to Chidori, while they’re both linear movement that Kidomaru scales no where. You’d have to prove one is inherently faster than the other and destructive power is just not relevant to the discussion.
Why was Neji’s rotation weakened? We already see the ground is formed as it is with a complete rotation, you’d have display or prove Neji’s rotation is stronger and or faster than his initial spin. It also isn’t the main basis for Chidori > Rotation, which even if Neji can deflect or slightly throw off angle which is fair, to say he wouldn’t take damage is absurd, this all assuming Sasuke doesn’t just use it linearly and just forms it in the air or something.
@@ThunderGodTG What do you mean there’s no metric? Arrows have less mass than a person, which would enable it to travel faster with far less force, so there’s your proof, and Neji was still able to react and avoid fatal injury.
Look at the distance Kidoumarus’s arrow covers in chapter 196. Sasuke with chidori isn’t even covering half of that distance within the same amount of time.
@@allmight3221 idk bro I’m one of neji’s biggest fans and I don’t see how. 3rd tomoe sasuke was dunking on kyubi enhanced naruto for quite a while. I don’t see how he compared to that tbh.
Current theory I have is kimmimaros tribe was the other half of the sage of six paths body, like how Byakugan and sharingan are said to be two halves of the same coin, kimmimaros tribe is the other half of the uzamakis, uzimakis focused more on the chalkra network why they have largers amount, kimmimaros focused soley on the physical body and developed the bone manipulation kekie genkai
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imo Neji wins more times than Sasuke because he stated he needs time to perform the chidori and that Gaara gave him all the time in the world meanwhile Neji isn't going to give Sasuke any time to do the chidori even if Sasuke gains distance Neji would throw shurikens stopping the seals of chidori (we saw that neji throwed shurikens to Naruto when he was away) besides that the chidori requieres great chakra control and if sasuke is graced by the gentle fist then his chakra control would be nerfed making the technique even more difficult to do or outright impossible
What he can do but will do are different things, sasuke has never got hit by a shuriken in the history of the show lol hes the ninja tool god no glaze, people never mention his high iq ninja wire usage in every fight he had aside gaara whos immune, I mention this because neji cant catch him off guard, as for chidori he did it easily in the forest vs gaara and in the air vs naruto in the hospital, chunin exams was him literally feeling himself and showing off and trying to use the most momentum by having the highest distance since a idle gaara gave him that opportunity, but the most realistically situation I persomally see is sasuke wire trapping and baiting neji to use rotation then use a curse mark amp and decapitate him, its either take sasukes hand or take his loads of ninja tools in your neck, keep in mind one naruto punch knocked him out, sasuke has high resiliance sorry for the messy comment
@@IIIISai I diden't said that the shurikens would hit, only that would stop Sasuke from doing the seals (he would be forced to dodge) against Gaara in the forest he hide in order to have enought time to use the chidori but he can't hide from the byakugan and Neji isn't going to sit and wait there, we saw that when Naruto is away he threw shurikens to him why would not do the same against Sasuke ?
I strongly disagree, the sharingan would allow him to replicate his taijutsu!
@@Foxes4035 a weaker sasuke at the hospital did an instant chidori
@@IIIISai no lmao that Sasuke is probably stronger he had 1 month training , if he was so nerfed after the hospital he would use it as an excuse to cope and try to convince himself that he is still stronger than Naruto (you know the whole objective of that battle to Sasuke) but he diden't he admits that Naruto is stronger.
And wasn't a instant chidori, in the time he did the Chidori Naruto did the rasengan
Retrieval arc sasuke stomps but if this took place in the exams let’s just say Neji gonna be finishing Itachi’s job 💀
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@@IIIISai nah Lee needed to go 4th gate before Neji needed to activate his Byakugan to keep track of him and Neji’s attack speed is as fast as 4th gate Lee due to rotation training his hands are lightning fast. Sasuke is only weightless Lee level and that’s with the 1st gate amping his speed and he needs a sharingan to keep up with his own speed there’s no way his two tomoe sharingan gonna keep up with Neji’s attack speed if he already needs his sharingan at weightless Lee level as seen with the chidori
@@TheAwsomeManny people forget that base naruto was keeping up with base 2 tomoe sasuke in the hospital. Meanwhile, base naruto could not even touch Neji when Neji wasn’t even trying. Knowing Sasuke’s reputation, Neji wouldn’t mess around. We’ve never seen Neji go all out and try to kill someone until Kidomaru (who Neji confirms was stronger than the Naruto he fought in the chunin exams). If Neji wanted to he could have killed naruto before the kyubi chakra even came out (assuming 9 tails didn’t save him)
This encounter could go either way, Neji can beat all versions of Sasuke before the Chunin Exams Finals, but I think that Chunin Exams Finals Sasuke has a slightly better chance of winning, although... Neji can still win also... so their encounter will be very unpredictable in my opinion... 🤷🏻♂️☯️✌️
@@DavidLucian It’s not even close when you actually look at the evidence.
Sasuke is only as fast as weightless Lee level and that’s with using 1st gate. Lee himself even admitted that he would need the gates to beat Neji, Guy states that Lee would need the speed of the “Reverse Lotus” to beat neji which requires the 3rd gate to even use, Neji wasn’t even phased by Lee until Lee opened to 4th gate where he activated his Byakugan in order to keep track of the fight. Neji takes interest at the mention of “Reverse Lotus” but he isn’t scared by it unlike 4th gate Lee awakening which forced him to activate his Byakugan to keep track of the fight. Given it took the 4th gate in order for Neji to even activate his Byakugan to keep track of Lee in the prelims we can deduce that Kyuubi Naruto was at the very least above 3rd gate level in speed and he never lost track of him and sasuke is only weightless Lee level in speed which neji can keep track of even without his Byakugan as shown in the prelims. Neji’s attack speed is roughly 4th gate level in speed and if sasuke already needs a sharingan to keep up with his own speed at weightless Lee level I don’t see how he’s gonna keep track of 4th gate speed with his sharingan if he already needs it at weightless Lee level. Neji’s speed was equal to Kyuubi Naruto both the manga and anime make this pretty clear especially the manga so that puts Neji atleast above 3rd gate level in movement speed however his own attack speed is even greater due to rotation training. Weightless Lee moves in slow motion to Neji so in all honesty neji can just grab the chidori and move it out of the way like itachi and Kakashi did, or more likely he’ll just dodge it because as deduced earlier Neji is faster.
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Also sasuke is only limited to two chidori per day .. meanwhile neji can fire off multiple rotations .
Neji beats sasuke. The chidori isn’t saving him. Sasuke does not possess the speed to react to Neji in close quarters.
Sasuke doesn’t have the chakra capacity and control to spam long range jutsu to keep Neji at bay who will simply slice the fireball in half or effortlessly dodge the phoenix fire shurikens
You admitted it many times that sasuke has to run in a linear motion to pierce Neji who WILL be on guard and staring right at sasuke while he runs towards him (using less speed which does not phase Neji lol)
If Neji can react to kidomarus piercing golden arrow. He definitely is reacting to a human running straight at him with the speed of his teammate who he washes everytime.
Rotation isn’t even needed.
A simple side step and tap of the arm to redirect that chidori into the ground or sever sasukes chakra connection.
I get that y’all like sasuke. But there’s no way he’s beating neji. None.
I get disagreeing and that’s fair game even if I don’t agree with a lot in your comment but, saying A character wins doesn’t just mean you like them more. That’s not a good mindset to have in these discussions and leads to inherent bias.
Literally. The bias is INSANE and literally disgusting at this point. There morons will say anything and everything just to say Neji loses in any battle that he so obviously wins.
Neji disabled a SANIN'S LEGENDARY CURSEMARK with one blow, so Sasuke's transformation isn't saving him. It is manga-cannon that he can handle everything up to 4th Gate Lee WITHOUT the Byakugan, as shown when he was observing Lee's fight with Gaara, so he's not overwhelming Neji with speed, ever. And Chidori is NOT getting through Rotation. It pulverized Naruto into the ground despite the Kyubi energy protecting him, and later on, it deflected the ENTIRE JUUBI ARM which was like the size of a MOUNTAIN. Sasuke is literally getting crushed beyond regocnition if he dares to approach Rotation with Chidori alone. Sasuke is literally obliterated in Part 1 against Neji. The w ankery for Sasuke nauseating.
@@ThunderGodTG Your entire video was biased Sasuke wank ery. Practice what you preach before virtue signaling on smarter people.
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@@ThunderGodTG I commented this elsewhere, but it drives me crazy. Why does no one ever discuss the fact that Neji didn’t get in a full rotation against Naruto? By him saying “I must start my rotation “and pretty desperately it implied that he was caught off guard. You see him, not even defending himself in anyway, as Naruto is running at him, totally transfixed on Naruto‘s words.
Great Video but I am really susprisd you left the curse mark out of the discusion.
I don’t like it since it’s not something controllable amp for Sasuke & even if it came out the match would be a disqualification
@ThunderGodTG
I don't think it is uncontrollable per se. He could controll it in his fight against the chakra sucking dude.
But the curse Mark is a way for sasuke to overcome sealed chakrapoints.
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I'm super late on this but isn't garras sand magnet release? Which I think is earth and lighting which would explain lightning resistance, but it is tech earth style
Neji could literally 64 palms sasuke rendering him of his sharingan, chidori, and fire ball its that simple. Rotation is a force and not the standard defense like gara has. If anything it would either blow sasuke arm off or repel him. Neji arsenal counters sasuke arsenal at this time of the story
I doubt the chidori would ever pass through rotation without a huge difference in speed. Rotation is not suposed to tank the attacks like gaaras sand, but deflect then. Changing the trajectory of a piercing attack like chidori would be a lot easier than deflect a huge mass of chakra like narutos attack. Its the difference of deflecting a deadly arrow(that would kill you) with one hand and using the same force to try to deflect a heavy punching bag( that would just stagger you)
More like Chidori vs. Rotation cause if Sasuke gets touched its GG gentle fist is no joke and so is Neji’s speed as stated by Lee and Guy. Neji even claims in his fight with Naruto, as if to praise his speed feats, “You can’t get away from me”
Even with weightless Lee speed, Sasuke literally has to rely on Chidori speed to end Neji in one blow because he doesn’t have the luxury or speed required to handle close combat with a Hyuga atleast without that third tomoe.
Solid breakdown!
Please please please show yu yu hakasho some love . I’d watch it.
you should do adult Sakura vs the Akatsuki would be 🔥
My only problem is that you never stated that chidori is cancelled by rasengan which is also just spinning chakra I get it’s more condensed but it’s still just spinning Chakra that sends people flying (Naruto vs Kabuto) I think they’d cancel out to be honest
Rasengan doesn’t function really like that it’s chakra that spinning to create the sphere not really like Neji who is rotating with the express purpose of deflecting attacks, that and rasengan is just stronger than Chidori.
@@ThunderGodTG true I guess I just looked at it as they both are spinning chakra that send you flying back like any ninja tools thrown at neji or like what happened to kabuto when Naruto hit him with it
wouldnt rotation still work becuase of the acuall physics of the spin? garas sphear is stationary. And side point garas sand may never be stated to be earth releas but lets be real what other releas would it be? Magnet releas? maybe but all the magnet users we see use some form of metal, garas sand is still sand its not iron sand or gold dust or literal metal weaponry so i do believe sasuke did have the elemental advantage.
THA GOAT
I’m so early 😛
Neji slaps this Sasuke even the whole rotation and chidori clash Sasuke is not pentatrating it going to blow up in his face like every time two chakra form attacks interact unless the rotation is earth release which is not. Then its the distance of when he do the rotation is going to coralate to the damage so if it clash five feet out Neji mostly having minimum damage compared to Sasuke just like Naruto clash with Neji but knowing Naruto have a ability to heal when he use that chakra it understandable how he got the dub but its different with Sasuke don't have a busted healing ability so the clash going the same with Sasuke actually laying there.
Also if neji survived he'd be learning rasengan right now(cause everybody learning it like they need to learn it to graduate academy nowadays) learning how to throw rasengans while rotating
This is how I believe the fight would go :
Last round in the Quarter finals
1. Talk-no-jutsu, sizing each other up and then Sasuke charges with Rock Lee level speed Neji as he is way more arrogant and less composed
2. Neji is way better at taijutsu, Sasuke disengages and starts lobbing shuriken and fireball jutsus in order to create space
3. Neji either dodges or uses the Kaiten and advances slowly
4. Sasuke rushes with chidori, Neji tries rotation which slows down the attack, but ultimately the chidori passes
5. After the dust is settled Neji is found out to only have been scraped by the chidori. His rotation slowed down Sasuke's attack just enough so that his superior hand-to-hand reflexes allowed him to dodge most of it
6. Sasuke is in range, takes the 64 palms and is considered knocked out
7. The curse mark flares, Sasuke no longer has his chakra suppressing it, so it starts to cover his body while his anger builds up towards his opponent
8. Sasuke, overcome by the curse mark, rushes is with another chidori this time from a closer distance, but before he can connect, Kakashi intervenes (as he promised) and ends the match
9. Neji is declared the winner, however, this is meaningless as both now have a grudge to settle. Sasuke, believes he was betrayed by Kakashi, when he was about to win, and Neji would probably arrogantly declare his superiority. Though privately Neji, ever the pragmatist would be less sure of himself and take note to work harder towards developing better ways to counter Sasuke in their inevitable rematch.
It is incorrect to label Sasuke as a prodigy. Both Sasuke and Naruto have benefited from various plot devices and aids throughout their journeys, such as the Curse Mark, Orochimaru's assistance, plot conveniences, Itachi's intervention, and Tobi's help. Realistically, Sasuke would have been cooked by most of the Part One Genin during the Chunin Exams, with only a few exceptions like Sakura, Ino, Ten Ten, Choji, and possibly Shikamaru or Hinata. Sasuke has been saved numerous times and often receives assistance in his battles. For example, he was swiftly defeated by a significantly suppressed Rock Lee and nearly killed by him. In his base form, Sasuke is outmatched by many others. In contrast, true prodigies like Itachi and Madara are able to surpass high expectations even without additional enhancements.
He achieved the fruits of Lee's years of training & learned Chidori in 15 Days idk what to tell you
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He copied Lee’s 1 taijutsu with his Sharingan and learned Chidori, big deal. He still loses to Lee in the Chūnin exams in base or with sharingan without curse mark.
Bro what? Sasuke been stated to be a prodigy and genius multiple times throughout the series so why are you tryna argue
Also can Sasuke even use chidori if neji hit him? And can sasuke get off chidori ? Like i feel like neji would try to keep sasuke close bc neji seem to some what respect Sasuke unlike naruto and lee
Honestly no. It takes an insane amount of chakra control. And he has never used lightning nature before. A one tap is all that is needed.
Seeing Sasuke's chidori being deflected by Neji's rotation would've been badass
@TheRedDon an opinion we don't share
I was thinking that while gaara’s sand is better for straight up absorbing hits, rotation is more of a deflection type of defense that isn’t just trying to tank things but bounce them of by redirecting their momentum. I could definitely see chidori being deflected
I think a lot of people are not noting even if Gaara’s defense is stronger, Neji’s Kaiten is actually MOVING at a high speed unlike the the sand, so even if it could pierce kaiten, the speed of Kaiten would obviously move the Chidori off course if not directly repelling the chidori and sasuke.
That’s not the issue with Kaiten the problem is directly ascertaining where its upper limits lie. You can only argue ninjutsu functionality within a certain range, the problem with Kaiten is people like to arbitrary place caps on what it can actually deflect instead of using what’s provided. I think changing the angle of Chidori is pretty fair but, outright deflecting is entirely baseless, rotation does not have the feats or statements.
Repelling Naruto’s clones + Shuriken are not good enough feats, the last clash is completely irrelevant to the Chidori AP scaling over the Kaiten threshold. Kaiten also just has a max out in terms of speed based on how fast Neji himself can go.
@@ThunderGodTG The clash between Neji and Naruto at the end was more so Naruto using Kurama's chakra though was it not? I don't see that stated anywhere in the video, and that could be why Neji couldn't fully deflect the attack despite the fact he wasn't in full rotation nor took it on directly. Him being able to stand up from that imo is a crazy feat when you think about it.
And if he could deflect Kurama's chakra leaking out to some degree, I feel like he could readily do so with Sasuke's Chidori. Especially since Neji would be very self-aware of how strong Sasuke is and his eye capabilities versus Naruto who Neji knew little of combat wise nor of Kurama and Naruto's link. Neji would use full rotation if Sasuke got close and has other jutsu he could combo into to attack swiftly after defending himself.
That was Kyuubi Chakra that clashed with Neji's rotation, not just Naruto's.
Pretty sure it was stated that the sand is earth/wind release. Just don't remember who said it lol.
It’s not outright stated but, that’s a fair assumption, I’m of a similar opinion since Shukaku uses Wind Release with Gaara having access to earth & lightning.
This encounter could go either way, Neji can beat all versions of Sasuke before the Chunin Exams Finals, but I think that Chunin Exams Finals Sasuke has a slightly better chance of winning, although... Neji can still win also... so their encounter will be very unpredictable in my opinion... 🤷🏻♂️☯️✌️
You’re argument for Sasuke heavily revolves around just chidori.
When has the chidori ever been successful at anything other than a finishing move?
You act like Sasuke would just 1 shot with chidori, but even base Gaara gets hit by chidori and it wasn’t even a fatal wound.
Chidori can also be countered by a simple substitution jutsu, like Deidara did.
CM2 Kidoumaru’s arrows were many times faster than Sasuke with chidori, and Neji was still able to avoid fatal injuries, so it’s not as simple as “chidori, gg”.
Sasuke has the CM but can’t use it, or he would be disqualified, as stated by Kakashi. But regardless, Neji doesn’t show much emotion and doesn’t even bother to activate byakugan when he witnesses CM Sasuke in the forest of death, yet Neji is blown away by Rock lee and activates byakugan when the 4th gate is opened.
Sasuke is mainly a mid/close range fighter and Neji is far more potent up close.
So to be fair, Sasuke would hit Neji with chidori and maybe take him by surprise his strings, but at some point Sasuke will get hit with gentle fist, losing the ability to use Ninjutsu. At that point Sasuke has no answer for byakugans near 360 vision, or rotation.
This first part makes no sense at all - Rasenshuriken never killed anybody so it’s not a good technique is the logic presented. It’s very much presented with Kakashi/Sasuke that Chidori / Raikiri is their ace with Kakashi not even thinking he can be hokage after losing the ability to use it in his novel.
Gaara literally has an extra layer of defense on top of his skin that enabled him to eat hits from Gated Lee which Sasuke broke through on top of Gaara’s Sand.
Stronger Neji fought Kidomaru who was low on chakra from a previous encounter with Raido & Genma you’d have to establish that arrow’s Speed & contrast it to Sasuke’s level, which doesn’t work since that Neji doesn’t scale to the one in the exams. Exams Neji doesn’t scale to that at all since we know he just objectively got stronger, to the point he can beat someone just stronger than Kyuubi Naruto.
CM is irrelevant to this discussion since Sasuke would have been disqualified like you said but, Neji does call Sasuke “formidable” so that’s supreme cap.
I don’t really care about the rest of this as I was pretty clear in the vid that Neji is just stronger overall where as Chidori is stronger than Neji. Just outright has higher assertions in terms of AP & Speed.
Sasuke has Mid to Long range Ninjutsu to keep Neji back in the form of Fire style + wire shuriken combo’s I don’t disagree if Neji closes the gap he just wins, but this comment is inaccurate on top of just ignoring the nuance of the fight itself.
@ThunderGodTG
You’re portraying chidori as if it’s the “end all, be all” in this fight, yet it’s never been depicted that way in the story at all.
Gaara’s sand armor is irrelevant, Sasuke hit him in the shoulder with chidori, so he would’ve been fine regardless.
Look at chapter 196, there’s no need to compare Sasuke’s speed to Kidoumarus arrow because common sense tells us that Sasuke has no feats that show he can cover that distance within even a fraction of the same time.
There’s also no need for me to scale anything here. I’m referencing the fight with Kidoumaru to represent Neji’s general capabilities. Every ability Neji uses in that fight is an ability that any generic hyuuga can do. It’s not like Neji is using any new techniques that are different from what’s used in the chuunin exams.
Sasuke can only use chidori twice without being paralyzed. So my point is, while you can say Neji will get hit by chidori, it wouldn’t finish him because he could still avoid fatal injuries using a combination of his Gentle fist abilities, similar to the kidoumaru fight.
“Neji said Sasuke is formidable”
Who cares? Actions speak louder than words. There’s a huge difference in Neji’s reaction to CM Sasuke compared to 5th gate Lee.
Sasuke’s speed is irrelevant because it’s the same as base weightless Lee, and that’s not enough.
Sasuke literally pierced Gaara’s Sand armor wdym it’s irrelevant? Lee couldn’t even draw blood from Gaara but, it’s irrelevant for Sasuke? Sasuke also had an outside defense to break through and still performed the feat compared to Lee who even Gated couldn’t breach Gaara’s sand armor it’s not insignificant.
Yeah I legit just asked for a way to display Kidomaru’s arrow speed and how that would relate to Sasuke at that time period. No shit it’d be faster than Chunin Exams, but Sasuke like Neji also just trains past that point even growing to the point he can do 3 Chidori in a day - does this on the day he fought Itachi & FV so no this doesn’t work at all, again not the same Neji.
It’s so crazy how you used curse mark Sasuke as a feat for Neji and then when proven wrong it’s suddenly “who cares” especially when the character in question made the statement lmao idk just funny
While I agree Base Sasuke’s Speed is = Lee his reactions are not nor is his Top Chidori Speed. The reactions are relevant as unless Sasuke’s close to Neji, Neji can’t just outright blitz him from a distance. Base Lee also just has faster travel speed than Neji which is what he uses when circling Gaara. Sasuke could run around the battlefield and Neji would never catch him unless he got Semi Close.
I don’t have a problem with the Neji stance at all but, these arguments are not a good way to go about it.
@ThunderGodTG
You make it sound like Gaara’s sand armor saved his life like it did against 5th gate Lee.
The sand armor was irrelevant in Sasuke’s case because he was just hit once in the arm with chidori, so in that case he’s still surviving even without sand armor, which correlates to my argument about Neji surviving being hit with the chidori.
Chidori is only a stronger tech strictly in terms of AP, but that doesn’t mean it’s a better tech overall. Chuunin exam Sasuke after training still loses to 5th gate Lee, and he would’ve lost to base Gaara too.
Neji survives a clash with a kyuubi amped Naruto, who objectively has way more power than even CM Sasuke, so that’s plenty of proof that Neji can deal with Chidori.
Also, I think the chidori’s speed never really matters. There’s plenty of times where base Naruto just clashes with it, so Neji’s rotation can do the same.
I don’t understand what you’re confused about with Neji’s remark in the forest of death, but I’m comparing Neji’s reaction for CM Sasuke to 5th Lee. Again, you can see a huge difference.
I think you’re argument falls apart with chidori being the main win condition because it requires Sasuke to be close, which is where Neji has the most advantage.
Neji wins with a poke to the arm like he did with Hinata. Cutting off all chakra in his arm. Or just grab Chidori like Itachi did.
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Id agree in power litput sasuke wins, but even watching the video, neji counters a lot of sasukes arsenal especially coming into close range. A couple hits from neji and sasuke cant even do chidori
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How did Naruto lose the clash it was more of a stalemate, also nine tails chakra
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Didn't they fight it that filler episode?
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The video is incorrect on multiple counts. Kaiten surpasses Gaara's sand because it both blocks and repels attacks. When Neji employed Rotation against Kyuubi Naruto, he effectively mitigated the full force of the Kyuubi's chakra. This is evident in their conclusive confrontation where physical contact was avoided, yet their chakras clashed visibly. Tenten later remarked that it disperses an opponent's chakra. Chidori is lightning chakra. "Chakra based attacks are useless against the Gentle Fist."
In terms of speed, Neji and Lee belong to the same category and are slightly faster than Sasuke. One of the major misconceptions in the Naruto fan community is the belief that Neji is slower than Lee or Sasuke. According to Databook 2, both Rock Lee and Neji are rated 8/10 for speed, whereas Sasuke, even after mastering the Chidori, holds a rating of 7/10. Although Sasuke has narrowed the difference in speed, he still trails behind them.
You did not just claim the vid was incorrect and proceed to use databook stats as an objective measure for speed lmao not only that you used the incorrect measure, the Databook stats are each out of 5 friend, idk what you read
@@ThunderGodTG The Databooks provide a more accurate depiction of the truth compared to fan interpretations because they were created by actual staff and are considered canon. For instance, Sasuke is rated 3.5 out of 5, while Neji and Lee are rated 4 out of 5. These are fractions and anyone with basic math knows 3.5/5 and 4/5 is numerically the same as 7/10 and 8/10 respectively.
Also you fail to refute, how Kaiten repels chakra. It literally repelled the kyuubi chakra which is a hell of a lot more chakra than Sasuke could output at the time.
Neji can shut down his Chidori, disable his Sharingan, or kill Sasuke with a single hit. Also he defend himself against any of Sasuke's attacks. He has superior Chakra control and was a more complete Shinobi at this stage in the series. Without a curse mark I don't see Sasuke winning this.
The Databooks are referencing the characters overall attributes in reference to themselves and how strong they are in those categories otherwise all the Genin could scale to Hiruzens 3 Stat Speed. Is Sasuke as fast as Hokage Hiruzen? C’mon bro it’s showing their attributes and where they’re strong not used to compare to other entries also Idk why you doubled the initial stats it’s the same thing literally.
The Kaiten point was addressed in the vid it literally failed to fully repel the chakra it clashed against, whereas Sasuke just has better AP, taking a defense above Nemo’s tier. Otherwise you would never be able to actually produce an upper limit for the rotation. Can it repel Kakashi’s Raikiri? No? How would you make that distinction unless you use the statements given. Just saying Kaiten repels chakra is not a good enough reason you have to substantiate it prove it scales above Chidori’s AP, otherwise you’re just arguing the Jutsu functionality which doesn’t give a win when against a stronger technique.
I don’t care about the rest I agree if Sasuke gets caught by 64 palms and is close enough he loses.
@@ThunderGodTG These are imaginary characters, of course they will be problems and inconsistencies in the Databook. Neji has to be within at least the same speed range as base Lee. If he was slower, he’d be defeated in much the same way Sasuke was. Only opening the Gates gives Lee a Speed advantage per Might guy. Neji isn't slower than Sasuke.
The point I'm emphasizing is that Neji blocking Kyuubi-amped Naruto's chakra is a significantly greater feat than blocking a Chidori, which only pierced a water tank. Naruto's chakra reserves are much, much higher than Sasuke's even without the Kyuubi. During the time skip encounter with Kisame, Neji activated his Byakugan and observed that Kisame possessed the most substantial amount of chakra he had seen since his battle with Naruto. Granted this was only a 30 percent Kisame. Neji blocked that.
There are other instances to compare, such as when Gaara defeated Curse Mark 1 Sasuke. Sasuke's face showed complete astonishment when Naruto powered up and used the strength he employed "to take down the Hyuga," as Gaara described it, to defeat a partially transformed Gaara-something Curse Mark 1 Sasuke had failed to accomplish.
@@pishia1104people downplay Kaiten because an arguably incomplete one clashed with 9 tails chakra because they forget that naruto is the MC and 9 tails chakra is broken. The same 9 tails chakra allowed a much weaker version of Naruto to one tap Haku, who was arguably Jonin level and possibly stronger than Zabuza.
Not to mention base naruto was doing better against partially transformed Gaara in than Lee did versus base Gaara, meanwhile on the SAME DAY base naruto could not land a single hit on Neji. Later, we see base naruto can keep up with sasuke in taijutsu and land hits on him during their hospital fight. So how exactly is sasuke landing a hit on Neji? I just don’t see it.
Of course, if Kishimoto wrote the fight, I’m sure he would make sasuke win with an a** pull (similar to what he did with naruto), because sasuke is also a main character. But within the logic of the universe and fights up to that point, Neji SHOULD win.
look, if we talking like Kishimoto wrote it, sasuke would get the dub, probably get his chakra shut down, then he would use curse mark the "Refill" his chakra network with senjutsu, and sasuke would prob get the w with senjutsu amp, cause kishimoto is the biggest sasuke stan of them all
Sasuke couldn’t use the CM in the chuunin exams without being disqualified.
@andrepayne4349 he was already not promoted to chunin in the original story, so not much changed form original, I guess. Sasuke STAYS gennin
Lee in 3rd gate was hardly trackable by a Kakashi with his Sharingan active. His Chidori gives him a bit of tunnel vision without the Sharingan, but he can basically use Chidori just fine with the Sharingan. Sasuke is slower then Kakashi, doesn't have as much experience with it, and can only use a few. So if Neji scales to 3rd gate Lee or higher in reaction speed, Sasuke isn't hitting him. Worse yet if Sasuke misses he's basically in his "Sea Bear Circle" which is a death sentence for Sasuke.
This is a WILD take that idk why people say. Kakashi was using his Sharingan to see the Gates Lee was opening & commentate on it. It’s completely unrelated to speed. He whips out his Sharingan before Lee even starts opening the Gates.
@@ThunderGodTG because (atleast in the anime) Kakashi just states that he's struggling to keep up with Lee... With his Sharingan up
Lol. more brainrot sasuke wan kery from fake fans. Neji disabled a SANIN'S LEGENDARY CURSEMARK with one blow, so Sasuke's transformation isn't saving him. It is manga-cannon that he can handle everything up to 4th Gate Lee WITHOUT the Byakugan, as shown when he was observing Lee's fight with Gaara, so he's not overwhelming Neji with speed, ever. And Chidori is NOT getting through Rotation. It pulverized Naruto into the ground despite the Kyubi energy protecting him, and later on, it deflected the ENTIRE JUUBI ARM which was like the size of a MOUNTAIN. Sasuke is literally getting crushed beyond regocnition if he dares to approach Rotation with Chidori alone. Sasuke is literally obliterated in Part 1 against Neji. The w ankery for Sasuke nauseating. The w ankery for Sasuke is braindead and nauseating. Holy heII. No one can actually read.
Also, against Kidomaru, Neji stands out as the only member of the squad that just decimates their opponent in head on combat. He closes the distance like it’s nothing. Can any of the other sound 4 even dispatch one another that fast. He’s clearly just a fast dude.
So.... How do you compare neji to base gaara? Because sasuke was actually destroying him in base
Neji hit base Gaara with hands he’s just gonna have trouble actually closing that distance very similarly to Kimmimaro who makes a similar note. The series treats long range fighters as having an advantage of close range so Neji would struggle.
Orochimaru gassing up Sasuke and saying Naruto just doesn't have it can be dismissed as a victim of retcon. Orochimaru knowing Naruto is an Uzumaki and the son of Minato and Kushina while being the jinchuriki of the 9tails makes him sound like an idiot. And he deserves more reapect than to assume he didn't connect the dots of who Naruto having the 9tails and Minato having sealed the 9tails into a baby on the night of his baby's birth... and Naruto looking about the age that child would be at the time he met him.
Not to mention he has spies in the village and he was on the akatsuki whose whole thing is capturing the bijuu
You should do Team Minato vs Team 7(kid versions)
I actually do want to do a Team Minato vid soon
Who do your thinks wins between prelims sasuke vs prelims kiba?
If sasuke isn't nerfed he's washing Kiba, if he retains his nerf that he had in the exams Kiba
What if Sasuke copies the Gentle Fist?
Bro neji pieces up sasuke in the chunin exam final round idc what anyone says
Ain’t no way sasuke faster than weightless Rock Lee not believing it
Neji was said to be jonin after the time skip but we never see him do anything, then the stick hits him