To put just how bad Monaco is for passing: Daniel Ricciardo lost his MGU-K, losing over 200hp and Vettel still could not pass him for the win in a fully functional Ferrari
Yeah, but the issue was also in fuel and tire management. The next year (or so), they allow more fuel in cars to avoid managing it while racing, and tires' management seem to be more reliable today. In 2021, I don't think Ricciardo would have been able to defend its first place. But I'm maybe wrong.
It’s easily the WORSR “track” there is. If not for the $$$$ it wouldn’t even be on the calendar. Should be removed for the sake of the sport. Monaco is a race that I skip every year and have done for nearly 15 years now.
It's not just a 0-0 between Burnley and Crystal Palace. It's a 0-0 between Burnley and Crystal Palace, on a Tuesday night, in January, in the League Cup, back when they both used to play in the Fourth Division.
It's an actual good idea, like no joke, it could work and it would make it more interesting, i mean seeing hamilton ad verstappen going wheel to wheel on the last lap in that corner would be fucking amazing.
Realistic changes : Slightly sharpen turn 10: Slightly sharpen the track and remove part of the concrete barrier to widen the track. These changes willi ncrease the chances of overtaking into the chicane. Humans have the ability to do that, right? Make turns 15-16 faster: Make them faster, kinda like turns 13-14 so that cars can carry more speed into rascasse and perhaps have a chance of diving it up the inside Make the last corner faster: The reason why the last corner is narrow is because of a literal bus stop and pedestrian walkway. Simply clear the pedestrian walkway and bus stop for the race and make it a flat-out corner so that cars can carry more speed onto the pit straight and have a better chance of overtaking into turn 1. For ease of access, a temporary bridge could be built like those around the track
I was going to suggest some sort of a bridge-based-Motegi-style-figure-eight until I reached the end of the video. But yes. Creating more real estate by either extending Monaco into the sea or building upwards - somehow - are the only options I can see.
Tbh it wasn’t a real overtake because Vettel came out in front of Gasly … the fact he was mich slower and Gasly still couldn’t pass him just clarifies how bad Monaco is for passing
Yep. And places like Sochi don't have the 'challenge' and 'spectacle' excuses either. You'd keep Monaco over at least half a dozen others on the current calendar. Even if you could tweak the track to squeeze out a bit more overtaking, by nature it's never likely to be enough to meet the standards people expect - the trick is to get them to not feel too bothered about it.
The problem with Monaco today is that the cars don’t need to (and to an extent can’t) push for the whole race. The first stint is all about taking it easy with the tyres.
@@kaptnhansenpresidentjamaic9577 nah the problem is even with a faster car you can't follow for long in Monaco, at other tracks if you stick close enough to the other car for maybe some DRS into a hard braking zone you can get the job done while at Monaco there is no space for that.
Yes, there should be one track in the calendar where it's almost impossible to overtake. Monaco is the best location. We should remove the other boring tracks like Abu Dhabi and Valencia.
Not really unless he can sponsor all the track changes and/or resurfacing (RnD, simulation, modeling, environmental analysis) As an idea yeah it might work. Practically? Maybe. There's some shady ass people who have disposable income more than you can imagine.
@@ryanmann1416 ( distant chanting) Nuke, nuke, nuke nuke, (its start to get closer and the chanting becomes faster) nukenukenukenukenukenukenukenukenukenuke, and thats when you see it, its F1 fans carrying around... what the, they're carrying sochi
There is land reclamation planned in Monaco in the next 5 years called Le Portier which is seemingly the best opportunity to change up the track a bit. Pretty much everywhere else is already built on but this new area is a fresh slate of land and could allow for a new area of track between the hairpin and the tunnel. Maybe even allowing for a much longer run into the tunnel, making passing much more possible.
@@yible3278 motors are usually considered electric. Engines are usually considered gas. Not just American dialect it’s the true meaning behind them. A engine is anything powered by fuel or a type of fuel. Motors are anything that draw there power out of something like an electric drill and so on.
I used to race on tracks that had these Gold coloured ‘?’ Boxes on the road. Eventually swapped them for Rainbow coloured ones. They dropped all sorts of random shit on the track. Used to make things pretty exciting.
1) Remove the angled kerb at Ste Devoteso that the edge of the track proper follows the edge of the pit lane. 2) Remove the Nouvelle Chicane and carry on along Avenue JFK rather than along the quayside. (If they could remove the trees between Avenue JFK and the quayside, the whole width of both could be used as the straight here). 3) Reclaim part of the NW corner of the harbour to create a new Tabac connecting Avenue JFK directly to the track in front of the swimming pool. 4) Reverse the stands between the swimming pool exit and Rascasse so that the track runs directly along the water's edge along this stretch. Changes 2-4 would create a much faster, more flowing second half of the circuit with more passing opportunities.
When you understand what the hell is going on with racing on 1000hp cars on track where you hasn't enough width to overtake scooter while driving Renault Twingo, it really shifts perspective
Technically you could improve the hairpin by removing for the GP the inside pavement. Could allow some switcheroos there. Alternatively, what about running a reverse lap, with the pitlane used as the race track (moving the pits to the start "straight") ?
I agree though that there's basically no modern/semi-modern racing games with track builders/editors. I remember vaguely as a child that there used to be a racing game, hell it might've even been a Codemasters title from what I can remember, that had a track builder included. But we're talking about 90s - 2000s stuff here. Today there's billions of currency in game development and developers can't even make a track builder? Honestly baffles me a bit.
@@Cookivirus I also hope Leclerc starts from pole tomorrow. It won't guarantee winning the race, or even finishing it, but I think it's time to see a Ferrari on the podium, with or without a victory.
Cite that the track is in breach of the FIA grade 1 requirement of having a minimum lap length of 3.5km, kick it out of the calendar once and for all, and go to the Hockenheimring.
* force them to pit more times (like 4 or 5 times), makes for interesting strategy battles. as for how: ultra ultra soft tires ? random forced "rain" (wetting of track) ? 2 mandatory drive through penalties for everyone ?
Extending the track to the edge of docks and back, is a great idea! I would only add, lengthening the docks section itself a bit (75-100 meters) and slope the 180 Deg. u-turn section with a 60 degrees bank for a high speed extravaganza!!
@@arturseversons3444 remember there never used to be a chicane there in the first place. They added it cause too many people ended up taken a dive into the harbor when flying through the third sector
Run the circuit in reverse. Remove nouvelle chicane. That gives a long section from Tabac to Portier through the tunnel with a DRS zone. You also get a faster run downhill from Masanet to Sainte Devote with overtaking opportunities.
In reverse but change the current start finish straight for a trip up rue grimaldi and down avenue du port. Yes you loose 2 famous corners but they aren't that interesting and you have a slightly faster section.
Run it in reverse and make them run along the Portier roundabout for more opportunities. However I would be afraid of Ste Devote downhill left hander, and Anthony Noghes & Rascasse would need a huge revamp and widening.
Instead of the Nouvelle Chicane, continue straight along JFK Avenue (rather than the 1960s jink which was dangerous) and rejoin the current track at route de la piscine - thereby lengthening the current tunnel "straight". Alternatively or additionally, remove (i.e. make removable) all street furniture between JFK and the current quai des etats-unis to make that straight double-width.
I'm surprised nobody came up with this, but they could just move the Nouvelle chicane 200m down the road with no issues. Put a DRS zone after the tunnel bend; at the nouvelle chicane cars would just go straight (following the old FE layout in reverse); 200m later, before the road starts going uphill, you could put a new chicane, rejoining the current track If they felt really brave they could follow Avenue Kennedy until Tabac gaining another 60m of straight, but then they'd have to deal with a 2m drop from there to the rest of the track. Difficult, not impossible either
So, looking at the track... why not running it backwards? There should be overtaking opportunities at Rascasse, Nouvelle, Portier and Sainte Devote. A brave move would be at Piscine entrance. Maybe give it a try
These changes can be done to make it interesting!!! 1.Make the exit out of turn 8 go out in the sea towards the left and make a hairpin towards the tunnel. This sea straight will stretch and merge to the middle of the tunnel and not its mouth (cutting atleast the first 100ft.of the tunnel )creating a straight.. 2. By doing that you essentially make the tunnel and the extended sea section a long straight , add DRS to this.... 3.Remove or make the turn 10 chicane less 'chicany', or widen the damn road for a 'brake pass' chance....
Here's an idea: 1996's edition of the Monaco GP is highly regarded because the track was wet and only 3 cars made it to the end. The rest all either crashed out or had mechanical problems. While car reliability has improved, we can still make the race more interesting by dousing the track in water in case rain doesn't show up. They already do this for pre-season testing at Catalunya, so just bring the equipment out to Monaco. Couple that with changing it to a night race and I think there's a recipe for success that's feasible as it doesn't require layout changes. The issues would of course be getting the FIA on board with wetting the track, making it more dangerous, for the sake of entertainment. That and changing the race start time, which would also put a damper on the whole "Greatest Weekend in Motorsports" with American fans getting the Monaco GP in the morning, the Indy 500 in the afternoon, and the Coca-Cola 600 in the evening.
@@taekatanahu635 There are a lot of NASCAR races named in a similar manner to that. They always seem to be the name of a sponsor/the track itself and then the number of miles in the race (pretty sure that's what the numbers mean, but I don't have any evidence to support that.) There's the Daytona 500, the Geico 500, even a Coke Zero Sugar 400... I guess if you're on a diet and the Coca-Cola 600 is too much sugar for you? It's basically NASCAR's "thing," similar to how Formula One has "[insert location] Grand Prix."
What about changing the direction of the race? Making a few ajustments to the positioning of the tec-pro barriers and the pit entry/exit. There would be a hard breaking point at the end of the tunnel now which could be a option to overtake. Usually runoff and track design are a problem for switching directions but there isn't much of track-design/runoff in Monaco anyways.
The Mediterranean See problem has been solved by Mario Kart 8 and Sonic Racing Transformed: Cars just transform to race on / under water. Bam, done. All those suggestions are valid now.
They can implement an additional faster chicane or just a straight road next to the nouvelle chicane, that drivers that are within 0.5 -1 second of the car in front gets to drive through. Kind of a DRS, just as a faster overtaking road. That way if you have gained enough on the car in front, you get past them when they have to drive the chicane. This will make for a lot of exciting strategy moves close to the end of the race. Also a great way to undercut an opponent by flying through the chicane, and hoping/planning that they wont have an overtake opportunity the lap you are pitting.
I had an idea t osolve the overtaking problem in Monaco: Remove the chicane after the tunnel and put a DRS-Zone from the end of the tunnel to the then new turn 10. DRS-detection-point could be at the beginning of the tunnel...
Yes, many people have similar idea but the trouble is that there isn't enough runway for the heavy braking zone which it to come after chicane. It will be too dangerous for cars to stop from 300Km/hr without any sort of runway to account for mistakes.
Just add a wall like they did for formula E at the exit of the tunnel. Whenever they were outbraking themselves there isn’t any danger, they can just cut through the chicane and go on. With the wall it will make it critical there will be a lot more action!!
1. Remove the neuvelle chicane and the one near the swimming pool to give a long passing zone starting in the tunnel. 2. Go off down some other streets, lengthening the circuit and finding some overtaking zones in the process. 3. Tell them they'll have to pay as much as Abu Dhabi does to hold a race next year. (Problem solved, no race next year.) 4. Contract is up, so go open up large chunks of the Old Hockenheim & let's watch these guys go full on Lumberjack in the woods!
easy fixes: lower the curb corners 6-8 cut of some of the Barrier at turn 10 making it easier to lunge down the inside get rid of the curbs at corners 13-16 to make a drafting zone to la rascasse and on the final corners widen the corner on the right-hand side and pave it over to make it a faster corner till San devote to do some heroics down the inside
Easy way to solve the issue… Remove Monaco from the calendar. It’s an AWFUL “race” that is only there because of the $$$$ It needs to be replaced with a track that is designed for actual racing… not a bunch of public roads that get shut once a year…
The idea at 4:00 is the only suggestion that could be feasibly turned into a real solution. If you extend the pier (at the bottom of the picture) far into the water so the straight is both long and wide enough, then put a hairpin at the end to make the cars come back in the other direction too - rejoining the original layout somewhere near Rascasse - you end up with 2 long DRS zones in quick succession. It would certainly solve the overtaking problem, there's more than enough space to build it, and I don't know of any technological obstacles that would make it impossible (see the artificial islands in Dubai). It would cost an insane amount of money of course.
"Some of the best drivers in the world" I am glad you made that distinction because we all know there are some drivers who are not the best drivers in the world ***cough*** Mazespin ***cough***
This year F1 was all about letting people know that there would be no practice sessions Friday, because of some tradition that dates back to the first races held there. When I heard this, I thought, "So, they're stubbornly adhering to a tradition that no longer holds any modern relevance in an attempt to cling to nostalgia...Yeah, sounds like Monaco."
That one where they put the track into the sticking out bit had a lot of merit. Just slap a hairpin there a chicane at the end of the point where it meets back with the normal track to skow it down after people got their overtaking opportuniies on the long straights.
I'm thinkin what if we did what they suggested in the last one, yes, but also the "move the pit lane to right after the tunnel" bit, with the pit row entrance either in the first left of Nouvelle Chicane or immediately after Nouvelle Chicane.
I've been seeing a lot of sentiments to drop Monaco over the past few years, but I don't think people realize that Monaco would've been dropped about a decade ago. People need to realize that Monaco isn't on the calendar purely because of merit, it's on there because of its history and the glam of, "Formula 1 racing on the streets of Monte Carlo." I get that there are many circuits that have more history that is more relevant to motorsports and Formula 1, and perhaps a lot of people think that historical significance and nostalgia shouldn't be the deciding factors as to whether a circuit gets kept. But Monaco is a lot more than that, the allure of F1 racing in Monaco is something that even non-motorsports fans get perked up about. This race has reached almost mythical heights, and most of the drivers really look forward to driving in Monaco. I get that it's a procession, but there is a lot that can be appreciated about Monaco. I for one sorely missed it when it got canceled last year.
Monaco imo is a blessing to racing as a whole. Absolute focus and precision needed around some of the most beautiful streets in the world... Racing is not just about constant passing. Imagine feeding the car through Massenet and Casino at 100mph and blasting out of that tunnel 78 times in a row...
Long advocated changes to the harbour wall at Portier, Nouvelle chicane and La Rascase which would allow the track to be widened at these corners. Didn't think there was much scope on the rest of the track, but fair play to the last suggestion with the Lowes hairpin banking, great idea!!! 👏
Honestly I think it being so hard to pass there compared to everywhere else makes it kindve that much cooler because when an overtake DOES happen, it’s amazing
Exactly. If we get a lot of overtakes, that's what we expect to happen regularly. If that doesn't happen regularly, we are disappointed. Simply put, lower expectations make simple things more fun.
Monaco is on the calendar due to its heritage - I can't imagine it being removed but I also can't imagine it being added as a new track in the 21st century. Imagine if some other costal city with 19th century streets wanted to host a race?
Here’s an unorthodox but interesting take: take Monaco out of the traditional calendar, have it as a pure sprint weekend. A bonus race if you will. 8 points to the winner and so on or however you want to go about it. You have your standard free practices, however, quali doesn’t determine your grid position, rather it determines which 10 cars enter Sundays sprint. Here’s the kicker, Sundays sprint would be quali rules. No start position, no 20 cars barrelling into turn 1, send your car out any time in the time period, fastest lap at the end wins. It keeps Monaco in the calendar while making it more exciting than 72 formation laps of a sunday
I honestly hate the monaco track cause like theres so many turns and tight turns like dude how are you supposed to go fast when theres so many tight turns plus i even hate it ingame
Here's my plan : Monaco is awesome for qualification, so *ALL* qualification is done there. Teams should have quali-ready car permanently at Monaco and for every race, regardless where it is in the world, teams fly to Monaco, qualify, and the driver with the biggest Monaco qualification testicles (MQTs) gets pole in whatever race is next on the calendar.
Well maybe for a start change the tv directors who would actually show the only action of the race instead of showing a replay which had already been shown many times
On Saturday you have the normal qualifying (Q1, Q2 and Q3). On Sunday you start with a single lap qualifiying race in which the cars start in the reverse order of how they qualified on Saturday, to give the advantage of the improved track to those who qualified better. Through this race against the clock, the starting positions for a Sprint Race (with mandatory tire change) are determined. In this way we would have two very intense classifications and a short race in which, after all, almost everything is decided at the beginning of the race and in the pits.
I think ! If you take of turn ''10 - 11'' ''Nouvelle Chicane'' and make that into a strait line and then make turn 12 ''Tabac'' into a 90 degrees corner, and we also need at the exit of the tunnel a new DRS zone 😁 We could probably see some overtakes down there.
NFS Shift 2 had a track leaving Monaco, entering the French part of Monte Carlo by not turning right for loews, but turning left to reach a fast stretch of a road which then enters back into Monaco around where the final corner is.
Cut the novel chicane and have the straight directly go from the tunnel to tabac. All DRS from the turn after the tunnel to tabac. Then make the turn at tabac a bit tighter to force heavy breaking. Therr you go you have a decent overtaking opportunity And that would actually work
Don't remember who came up with the Idea originally, but a couple days ago someone suggested - how about reversing track direction? The Runoff exits are there and you can maybe create possible overtaking possibilities with a differnt novelle chicane and at the now more straight tunnel exit? Maybe?
Missed your tweet, but here's a thought; Extend the section around Portier by not going directly to the left, but rather do a counter-clockwise drive around the Portier roundabout. It will also make the straight into the tunnel longer; more time to overtake.
You can get to wider streets and some decent overtaking spots if you go straight from Maribeau. The big problem is there’s no run off when returning at that bump they all avoid currently.
1. Change the Nouvelle Chicane to allow for more aggressive lunges (there are many attempts which simply fail, since you can't lunge properly) 2. Use the space in the marina area better - wider track, little different layout (mainly pool section) - reduce the size of the grand stands if needed. 3. relocate the "La Rascasse" Bar or make it smaller to allow for a wider "La Rascasse Turn" 4. Relocate the Fangio Statue and make the greenery temporary/removable - use the new space for a decent turn 18/19 (wider, not a chicane turn), to allow more speed and maybe even some drs overtakes on the main straight
To put just how bad Monaco is for passing: Daniel Ricciardo lost his MGU-K, losing over 200hp and Vettel still could not pass him for the win in a fully functional Ferrari
And it happened on the lap 28. Vettel could not pass for the remaining 50 laps. Ridiculous.
@@maxwilson3531 Monaco looks way better than Abu Dhabi and it has the best quali
Yeah, but the issue was also in fuel and tire management. The next year (or so), they allow more fuel in cars to avoid managing it while racing, and tires' management seem to be more reliable today. In 2021, I don't think Ricciardo would have been able to defend its first place. But I'm maybe wrong.
Says something about Vettel ....
@@jpq6257 did you even watch the race? no, says much about this stupid track
For as long as I can remember the Monaco Grand Prix on most occasions has been motorsport's 0-0 draw between Burnley and Crystal Palace.
Oh come on, it's not quite that bad? 🤣 Oh alright then, as bad as watching Coventry City in the rain perhaps then 😉
It’s easily the WORSR “track” there is.
If not for the $$$$ it wouldn’t even be on the calendar.
Should be removed for the sake of the sport.
Monaco is a race that I skip every year and have done for nearly 15 years now.
It's not just a 0-0 between Burnley and Crystal Palace. It's a 0-0 between Burnley and Crystal Palace, on a Tuesday night, in January, in the League Cup, back when they both used to play in the Fourth Division.
21st november 2021:
Burnley 3-3 Crystal palace
Jokes on u mate
@@rosstaylor1039 This. 😄😄
that last one was pretty epic we gotta give it to them
For real man, I'm dying to see that happen now, I could almost bet that it certainly will eventually in the next 30 years...
That's the same guy who suggested the loop-de-loop last video, isn't he?
It's an actual good idea, like no joke, it could work and it would make it more interesting, i mean seeing hamilton ad verstappen going wheel to wheel on the last lap in that corner would be fucking amazing.
Realistic changes :
Slightly sharpen turn 10: Slightly sharpen the track and remove part of the concrete barrier to widen the track. These changes willi ncrease the chances of overtaking into the chicane. Humans have the ability to do that, right?
Make turns 15-16 faster: Make them faster, kinda like turns 13-14 so that cars can carry more speed into rascasse and perhaps have a chance of diving it up the inside
Make the last corner faster: The reason why the last corner is narrow is because of a literal bus stop and pedestrian walkway. Simply clear the pedestrian walkway and bus stop for the race and make it a flat-out corner so that cars can carry more speed onto the pit straight and have a better chance of overtaking into turn 1. For ease of access, a temporary bridge could be built like those around the track
I was going to suggest some sort of a bridge-based-Motegi-style-figure-eight until I reached the end of the video. But yes. Creating more real estate by either extending Monaco into the sea or building upwards - somehow - are the only options I can see.
We saw in the race, only 1 real overtake and when we saw it the race director said: S T R O L L
Tbh it wasn’t a real overtake because Vettel came out in front of Gasly … the fact he was mich slower and Gasly still couldn’t pass him just clarifies how bad Monaco is for passing
Technically 2, Schumacher did overtake Mazespin at the hairpin...
@@greendude96 sheesh
the problem isn't that you can't overtake at Monaco, that's its gimmick. The issue is that a lot of tracks seem to have stolen that gimmick.
Exactly
Yep. And places like Sochi don't have the 'challenge' and 'spectacle' excuses either. You'd keep Monaco over at least half a dozen others on the current calendar.
Even if you could tweak the track to squeeze out a bit more overtaking, by nature it's never likely to be enough to meet the standards people expect - the trick is to get them to not feel too bothered about it.
The problem with Monaco today is that the cars don’t need to (and to an extent can’t) push for the whole race. The first stint is all about taking it easy with the tyres.
@@kaptnhansenpresidentjamaic9577 nah the problem is even with a faster car you can't follow for long in Monaco, at other tracks if you stick close enough to the other car for maybe some DRS into a hard braking zone you can get the job done while at Monaco there is no space for that.
Yes, there should be one track in the calendar where it's almost impossible to overtake. Monaco is the best location. We should remove the other boring tracks like Abu Dhabi and Valencia.
A year later, Alonso played a beauty holding up EVERYONE else.
McLaren Alonso: "GP2 Engine, GP2! Arghhh!"
Alpine Alonso: actually drives at GP2 pace.
Three things are guaranteed at Monaco:
You can’t pass anywhere
The best qualifying session of the year
And cars drowning at the swimming pool.
Well, it would have been the best qualifying session of the year, but Leclerc threw himself into the wall at warp speed to stop that one.
@@bingusworshipper The spirit of Michael Schumacher lives on
@@bingusworshipper Imagine actually thinking that 😂😂
@@bingusworshipper no he didnt
@@bingusworshipper why would he crash at that corner then? Of all the corners why would he crash at the exit of the swimming pool chicane
Formula e presenters:
you can't overtake there
Drivers: hold my beer
Josh is gonna solve all the tracks overtaking problems
I wish it was that simple. 😆
Though is there anything to improve Sochi? Aside from blowing it up
Not really unless he can sponsor all the track changes and/or resurfacing (RnD, simulation, modeling, environmental analysis)
As an idea yeah it might work. Practically? Maybe.
There's some shady ass people who have disposable income more than you can imagine.
@@ryanmann1416 ( distant chanting) Nuke, nuke, nuke nuke, (its start to get closer and the chanting becomes faster) nukenukenukenukenukenukenukenukenukenuke, and thats when you see it, its F1 fans carrying around... what the, they're carrying sochi
There is land reclamation planned in Monaco in the next 5 years called Le Portier which is seemingly the best opportunity to change up the track a bit. Pretty much everywhere else is already built on but this new area is a fresh slate of land and could allow for a new area of track between the hairpin and the tunnel. Maybe even allowing for a much longer run into the tunnel, making passing much more possible.
"You can't overtake at Monoco."
Formula E: "hehehe engines go Skreee."
FE still sounds abysmal :(
*motor
@@yible3278 motors are usually considered electric. Engines are usually considered gas. Not just American dialect it’s the true meaning behind them. A engine is anything powered by fuel or a type of fuel. Motors are anything that draw there power out of something like an electric drill and so on.
@@tamezzodiac2862 fairs, I'll delete my comment because it was false
@@yible3278 Riiiiiiight..... because that's what makes racing fun to watch?? Do you think before you comment?
“You can try on the run up the hill... if you got a death wish”
Seb: maybe I do
I used to race on tracks that had these Gold coloured ‘?’ Boxes on the road. Eventually swapped them for Rainbow coloured ones. They dropped all sorts of random shit on the track. Used to make things pretty exciting.
Those shrooms really take you on a trip
@@remy7663 Those stars really make you go high af and feel invincible too
@@denverkweh1642 I think formula e with their boost systems was inspired by that track 😂
Joker laps at Monaco would be absolutely brilliant.
When Josh posts on a weekend, you know it’s gonna be a good weekend.
1) Remove the angled kerb at Ste Devoteso that the edge of the track proper follows the edge of the pit lane.
2) Remove the Nouvelle Chicane and carry on along Avenue JFK rather than along the quayside. (If they could remove the trees between Avenue JFK and the quayside, the whole width of both could be used as the straight here).
3) Reclaim part of the NW corner of the harbour to create a new Tabac connecting Avenue JFK directly to the track in front of the swimming pool.
4) Reverse the stands between the swimming pool exit and Rascasse so that the track runs directly along the water's edge along this stretch.
Changes 2-4 would create a much faster, more flowing second half of the circuit with more passing opportunities.
Are you stealing my ideas? Cause I wrote about this a month ago :) No, we just think the same!
Monaco is just a novelty. It's cool to watch. It is like many races in motorsport where it's more about being there than the pure competition.
When you understand what the hell is going on with racing on 1000hp cars on track where you hasn't enough width to overtake scooter while driving Renault Twingo, it really shifts perspective
@@paveloleynikov4715 speak English
Monaco is all about qualifying.
Qualifying is more entertaining than the race.
If it wasn’t Monaco it would have been off the calendar 10 years ago
Its one of the most boring races to watch of the year
Technically you could improve the hairpin by removing for the GP the inside pavement. Could allow some switcheroos there.
Alternatively, what about running a reverse lap, with the pitlane used as the race track (moving the pits to the start "straight") ?
Next up Sochi. I’ll get the nukes ready
In Soviet Russia, Sochi nuke you!
Be sure to double up just incase.
Hi, Kimi
first Paul Ricards mate.
But do keep dem nukes ready.
Albert Park is underrated in terms of terrible circuits for racing because nobody wants to shit on Australia.
Everyone: The race is decided by the first corner.
Red Bull: Hold my pitstop.
*Ferrari, 2022
more like ferrari hold my strategy
0:29 Lord Mahaveer : Hold my beer
Somebody's got to make some sort of procedural track modelling system so we can just plonk these concepts into Assetto Corsa and try them out
I agree though that there's basically no modern/semi-modern racing games with track builders/editors.
I remember vaguely as a child that there used to be a racing game, hell it might've even been a Codemasters title from what I can remember, that had a track builder included.
But we're talking about 90s - 2000s stuff here. Today there's billions of currency in game development and developers can't even make a track builder? Honestly baffles me a bit.
@@ferdievanderwalle7631 i think can be a toca game that have editor of track, toca for ds i think
2:54 ready to make ferrari jokes...
**remember that they gets pole position today**
Potentially
@@Cookivirus We'll have to wait until tomorrow to know if Ferrari pole or Ferrari good try but no pole
@@SenkaPress tbh
I'm sorta hoping not
This whole monaco curse thing is funny
@@Cookivirus I also hope Leclerc starts from pole tomorrow. It won't guarantee winning the race, or even finishing it, but I think it's time to see a Ferrari on the podium, with or without a victory.
@@SenkaPress I mean yeah
I just like the drama
“Racing cars have a difficult time trying to work whilst submerged in water.”
Me: This must be what they mean when they talk about “flooding”
Use snorkels
0:32 _Mitch Evans Laughing_
bro that move was so badass, for real
Cite that the track is in breach of the FIA grade 1 requirement of having a minimum lap length of 3.5km, kick it out of the calendar once and for all, and go to the Hockenheimring.
1:11 me in school fon Google maps doing a lap around Monaco before teacher sees
* force them to pit more times (like 4 or 5 times), makes for interesting strategy battles.
as for how: ultra ultra soft tires ? random forced "rain" (wetting of track) ? 2 mandatory drive through penalties for everyone ?
Ultra soft tires lasting only few laps may be but wetting the track would cause red flag crashes...
I rate the ski jump into the water in Sir Lancelot's suggestion
Extending the track to the edge of docks and back, is a great idea! I would only add, lengthening the docks section itself a bit (75-100 meters) and slope the 180 Deg. u-turn section with a 60 degrees bank for a high speed extravaganza!!
Did someone suggest "destroy the Swimming Pool to have back the backstretch?" If not...this is my suggestion.
They need to narrow the cars a bit, when they added 8inches in 2017 overtaking at Monoco tanked as every little bit around here makes a difference.
Cars were 2m wide from 70’s to 1998.
I need a series of solving problems of tracks
the title be like:nah you cant pass by pool chicane
Pierre Gasly: Hold my Baguette.
Leclerc today be like:
"Yh, this is big brain time"
then proceeds to S🅱️innala himself to Narnia
No one can make a better time than me if I cut the Q3 beforehand * safe roll *
S🅱️innala to pole
He did a Schumacher 2.0
Rosberg moment
It's all part of the great Ferrari Master Plan™®©
If the film Grand Prix taught me anything is that you cannot overtake in this track
Race for 60 mins, and at the end of the race whoever has the best lap time wins it.
Less worrying abt overtakes.
So basically old qualifying?
so another quali?
What about when the cars in front purposely slow down everyone behind?
Just pull the chicane after the tunnel and make that straight a DRS zone. Solved! That chicane is stupid
Well, that chicane is there for safety reasons. Go watch old racing footage. Cars just went straight in to the wall or over to the marina.
Then how will they slow down in time for the left hander that follows?
@Nick Zan Those who put fun over safety deserve shit.
@@phantomgaming9771 erm, by applying brakes? I completely agree with removal of the chicane
@@arturseversons3444 remember there never used to be a chicane there in the first place. They added it cause too many people ended up taken a dive into the harbor when flying through the third sector
Run the circuit in reverse. Remove nouvelle chicane. That gives a long section from Tabac to Portier through the tunnel with a DRS zone. You also get a faster run downhill from Masanet to Sainte Devote with overtaking opportunities.
Interesting idea though the idea of drs in that tunnel sounds scary 🤣
In reverse but change the current start finish straight for a trip up rue grimaldi and down avenue du port. Yes you loose 2 famous corners but they aren't that interesting and you have a slightly faster section.
Run it in reverse and make them run along the Portier roundabout for more opportunities. However I would be afraid of Ste Devote downhill left hander, and Anthony Noghes & Rascasse would need a huge revamp and widening.
Instead of the Nouvelle Chicane, continue straight along JFK Avenue (rather than the 1960s jink which was dangerous) and rejoin the current track at route de la piscine - thereby lengthening the current tunnel "straight". Alternatively or additionally, remove (i.e. make removable) all street furniture between JFK and the current quai des etats-unis to make that straight double-width.
you cant pass here
Mazepin: Are you challenging me?
Somebody must give Mazeswim a boat just in case he lands in the sea or swimming pool...
Yes. We're challenging him to find a way to respect the hecking blue flags.
*Mazepin gets passed by Schumacher in the race*
We could put airbags on the outside of the cars and make the drivers wear blindfolds
Ok, thats obvious that Josh is going to do an episode at Le Castellet, Abruh Dhahi and Soči
I think the best idea would be extended the tunnel straight past the nouvelle chicane
The best solution is to make the straight longer before the tunnel. That can be done if the cars go around the park after the hairpin.
I'm surprised nobody came up with this, but they could just move the Nouvelle chicane 200m down the road with no issues. Put a DRS zone after the tunnel bend; at the nouvelle chicane cars would just go straight (following the old FE layout in reverse); 200m later, before the road starts going uphill, you could put a new chicane, rejoining the current track
If they felt really brave they could follow Avenue Kennedy until Tabac gaining another 60m of straight, but then they'd have to deal with a 2m drop from there to the rest of the track. Difficult, not impossible either
So, looking at the track... why not running it backwards? There should be overtaking opportunities at Rascasse, Nouvelle, Portier and Sainte Devote. A brave move would be at Piscine entrance. Maybe give it a try
Issue is run off areas ;)
@Wind Rose In fact it has but not many - Saint Devote, Chicane, Mirabeau and all of them would be non existent in reversed layout...
These changes can be done to make it interesting!!!
1.Make the exit out of turn 8 go out in the sea towards the left and make a hairpin towards the tunnel. This sea straight will stretch and merge to the middle of the tunnel and not its mouth (cutting atleast the first 100ft.of the tunnel )creating a straight..
2. By doing that you essentially make the tunnel and the extended sea section a long straight , add DRS to this....
3.Remove or make the turn 10 chicane less 'chicany', or widen the damn road for a 'brake pass' chance....
Here's an idea:
1996's edition of the Monaco GP is highly regarded because the track was wet and only 3 cars made it to the end. The rest all either crashed out or had mechanical problems.
While car reliability has improved, we can still make the race more interesting by dousing the track in water in case rain doesn't show up. They already do this for pre-season testing at Catalunya, so just bring the equipment out to Monaco. Couple that with changing it to a night race and I think there's a recipe for success that's feasible as it doesn't require layout changes.
The issues would of course be getting the FIA on board with wetting the track, making it more dangerous, for the sake of entertainment. That and changing the race start time, which would also put a damper on the whole "Greatest Weekend in Motorsports" with American fans getting the Monaco GP in the morning, the Indy 500 in the afternoon, and the Coca-Cola 600 in the evening.
Nascar really has a race called Coca Cola 600? Crikey 😆
@@taekatanahu635 There are a lot of NASCAR races named in a similar manner to that. They always seem to be the name of a sponsor/the track itself and then the number of miles in the race (pretty sure that's what the numbers mean, but I don't have any evidence to support that.) There's the Daytona 500, the Geico 500, even a Coke Zero Sugar 400... I guess if you're on a diet and the Coca-Cola 600 is too much sugar for you? It's basically NASCAR's "thing," similar to how Formula One has "[insert location] Grand Prix."
I never thought I'd say this, but Monaco is a great example of "Just one more lane, bro!".
I think what I've learned here is that we need more bridge sections like Suzuka.
The bridge is actually pretty interesting, dunno if it'll actually help make overtaking easier, but it sure looks even more epic than the original.
What about changing the direction of the race? Making a few ajustments to the positioning of the tec-pro barriers and the pit entry/exit.
There would be a hard breaking point at the end of the tunnel now which could be a option to overtake.
Usually runoff and track design are a problem for switching directions but there isn't much of track-design/runoff in Monaco anyways.
I came here to know how to solve that problem of my favourite circuit, and I ended up laughing so loud!!!!
My solution is to have all the drivers use special spec racecars from a past era, i.e. 60s, 70s or detuned 1980s...
I can’t solve the issue in two seconds.
Monaco is cancelled.
Boom! Done!
The Mediterranean See problem has been solved by Mario Kart 8 and Sonic Racing Transformed: Cars just transform to race on / under water. Bam, done. All those suggestions are valid now.
The DRS zone, the 1st driver is always inside so its not possible to overtake, because its curved SOOO straighting the DRS zone would be a good change
Leclerc on Pole eh damn the battle for P3 in constuctors is heating up
They can implement an additional faster chicane or just a straight road next to the nouvelle chicane, that drivers that are within 0.5 -1 second of the car in front gets to drive through. Kind of a DRS, just as a faster overtaking road. That way if you have gained enough on the car in front, you get past them when they have to drive the chicane. This will make for a lot of exciting strategy moves close to the end of the race. Also a great way to undercut an opponent by flying through the chicane, and hoping/planning that they wont have an overtake opportunity the lap you are pitting.
I had an idea t osolve the overtaking problem in Monaco: Remove the chicane after the tunnel and put a DRS-Zone from the end of the tunnel to the then new turn 10. DRS-detection-point could be at the beginning of the tunnel...
I thought the same thing and also modify new corner 10 to make it slower and, how can I say it, "more squared".
I think they can widen the track at that point too. There is a lot of road that they can use to expand the width of the track.
Yes, many people have similar idea but the trouble is that there isn't enough runway for the heavy braking zone which it to come after chicane. It will be too dangerous for cars to stop from 300Km/hr without any sort of runway to account for mistakes.
Just add a wall like they did for formula E at the exit of the tunnel. Whenever they were outbraking themselves there isn’t any danger, they can just cut through the chicane and go on. With the wall it will make it critical there will be a lot more action!!
How about going around Rond - pooint du Portier clockwise to give a smoother start into the tunnel straight and making it longer.
I really enjoyed this video and your style of presenting it.
You've earned a new subscriber, keep up the good work.
1. Remove the neuvelle chicane and the one near the swimming pool to give a long passing zone starting in the tunnel.
2. Go off down some other streets, lengthening the circuit and finding some overtaking zones in the process.
3. Tell them they'll have to pay as much as Abu Dhabi does to hold a race next year. (Problem solved, no race next year.)
4. Contract is up, so go open up large chunks of the Old Hockenheim & let's watch these guys go full on Lumberjack in the woods!
easy fixes:
lower the curb corners 6-8
cut of some of the Barrier at turn 10 making it easier to lunge down the inside
get rid of the curbs at corners 13-16 to make a drafting zone to la rascasse
and on the final corners widen the corner on the right-hand side and pave it over to make it a faster corner till San devote to do some heroics down the inside
Easy way to solve the issue…
Remove Monaco from the calendar.
It’s an AWFUL “race” that is only there because of the $$$$
It needs to be replaced with a track that is designed for actual racing… not a bunch of public roads that get shut once a year…
Make Monaco an elimination race based on lap times
The idea at 4:00 is the only suggestion that could be feasibly turned into a real solution. If you extend the pier (at the bottom of the picture) far into the water so the straight is both long and wide enough, then put a hairpin at the end to make the cars come back in the other direction too - rejoining the original layout somewhere near Rascasse - you end up with 2 long DRS zones in quick succession. It would certainly solve the overtaking problem, there's more than enough space to build it, and I don't know of any technological obstacles that would make it impossible (see the artificial islands in Dubai). It would cost an insane amount of money of course.
"Some of the best drivers in the world" I am glad you made that distinction because we all know there are some drivers who are not the best drivers in the world ***cough*** Mazespin ***cough***
This year F1 was all about letting people know that there would be no practice sessions Friday, because of some tradition that dates back to the first races held there. When I heard this, I thought, "So, they're stubbornly adhering to a tradition that no longer holds any modern relevance in an attempt to cling to nostalgia...Yeah, sounds like Monaco."
That one where they put the track into the sticking out bit had a lot of merit. Just slap a hairpin there a chicane at the end of the point where it meets back with the normal track to skow it down after people got their overtaking opportuniies on the long straights.
The qualifiying was awesome but the race..... well just gonna have to see to find out
Race is awesome if you love F1 cars crashes
I'm thinkin what if we did what they suggested in the last one, yes, but also the "move the pit lane to right after the tunnel" bit, with the pit row entrance either in the first left of Nouvelle Chicane or immediately after Nouvelle Chicane.
I've been seeing a lot of sentiments to drop Monaco over the past few years, but I don't think people realize that Monaco would've been dropped about a decade ago. People need to realize that Monaco isn't on the calendar purely because of merit, it's on there because of its history and the glam of, "Formula 1 racing on the streets of Monte Carlo." I get that there are many circuits that have more history that is more relevant to motorsports and Formula 1, and perhaps a lot of people think that historical significance and nostalgia shouldn't be the deciding factors as to whether a circuit gets kept. But Monaco is a lot more than that, the allure of F1 racing in Monaco is something that even non-motorsports fans get perked up about. This race has reached almost mythical heights, and most of the drivers really look forward to driving in Monaco. I get that it's a procession, but there is a lot that can be appreciated about Monaco. I for one sorely missed it when it got canceled last year.
Move it to March. At least make the weather more likely to be a bit crap if you're going to keep it.
Monaco imo is a blessing to racing as a whole. Absolute focus and precision needed around some of the most beautiful streets in the world... Racing is not just about constant passing. Imagine feeding the car through Massenet and Casino at 100mph and blasting out of that tunnel 78 times in a row...
Long advocated changes to the harbour wall at Portier, Nouvelle chicane and La Rascase which would allow the track to be widened at these corners. Didn't think there was much scope on the rest of the track, but fair play to the last suggestion with the Lowes hairpin banking, great idea!!! 👏
Honestly I think it being so hard to pass there compared to everywhere else makes it kindve that much cooler because when an overtake DOES happen, it’s amazing
Exactly. If we get a lot of overtakes, that's what we expect to happen regularly. If that doesn't happen regularly, we are disappointed. Simply put, lower expectations make simple things more fun.
I feel like these "Solving overtaking problems" videos could easily become a regular series this season lol
Monaco is on the calendar due to its heritage - I can't imagine it being removed but I also can't imagine it being added as a new track in the 21st century.
Imagine if some other costal city with 19th century streets wanted to host a race?
And half the drivers/sponsors/owners have a yacht there, or an apartment or both.
Here’s an unorthodox but interesting take: take Monaco out of the traditional calendar, have it as a pure sprint weekend. A bonus race if you will. 8 points to the winner and so on or however you want to go about it. You have your standard free practices, however, quali doesn’t determine your grid position, rather it determines which 10 cars enter Sundays sprint. Here’s the kicker, Sundays sprint would be quali rules. No start position, no 20 cars barrelling into turn 1, send your car out any time in the time period, fastest lap at the end wins. It keeps Monaco in the calendar while making it more exciting than 72 formation laps of a sunday
"There's a problem with overtaking in this circuit"
Meanwhile Lewis:
"WTF just happened, I've lost two places"
Not words that he's used to saying
I honestly hate the monaco track cause like theres so many turns and tight turns like dude how are you supposed to go fast when theres so many tight turns plus i even hate it ingame
Here's my plan : Monaco is awesome for qualification, so *ALL* qualification is done there. Teams should have quali-ready car permanently at Monaco and for every race, regardless where it is in the world, teams fly to Monaco, qualify, and the driver with the biggest Monaco qualification testicles (MQTs) gets pole in whatever race is next on the calendar.
I actually unironically love this idea, despite the fact that it would be logistically impossible
this needs to be a series, I would call it "Channeling your inner Tilke (The one who's not on drugs and designed Bahrain.)"
Well maybe for a start change the tv directors who would actually show the only action of the race instead of showing a replay which had already been shown many times
On Saturday you have the normal qualifying (Q1, Q2 and Q3). On Sunday you start with a single lap qualifiying race in which the cars start in the reverse order of how they qualified on Saturday, to give the advantage of the improved track to those who qualified better. Through this race against the clock, the starting positions for a Sprint Race (with mandatory tire change) are determined. In this way we would have two very intense classifications and a short race in which, after all, almost everything is decided at the beginning of the race and in the pits.
The initial d reference had me dying lol. Eurobeat goes with any racing 😆
4:38 and that's been the problem with F1 for 30 years
Make a ninety degree corner (edit: sweeper insted) before the tunnel and skip the chicane
I think ! If you take of turn ''10 - 11'' ''Nouvelle Chicane'' and make that into a strait line and then make turn 12 ''Tabac'' into a 90 degrees corner, and we also need at the exit of the tunnel a new DRS zone 😁 We could probably see some overtakes down there.
NFS Shift 2 had a track leaving Monaco, entering the French part of Monte Carlo by not turning right for loews, but turning left to reach a fast stretch of a road which then enters back into Monaco around where the final corner is.
found a few of your vids, EACH one had me laughing. You're humor is fantastic, please keep it up! Also subbed :D
Cut the novel chicane and have the straight directly go from the tunnel to tabac. All DRS from the turn after the tunnel to tabac.
Then make the turn at tabac a bit tighter to force heavy breaking.
Therr you go you have a decent overtaking opportunity
And that would actually work
Don't remember who came up with the Idea originally, but a couple days ago someone suggested - how about reversing track direction? The Runoff exits are there and you can maybe create possible overtaking possibilities with a differnt novelle chicane and at the now more straight tunnel exit? Maybe?
Missed your tweet, but here's a thought;
Extend the section around Portier by not going directly to the left, but rather do a counter-clockwise drive around the Portier roundabout. It will also make the straight into the tunnel longer; more time to overtake.
You can get to wider streets and some decent overtaking spots if you go straight from Maribeau. The big problem is there’s no run off when returning at that bump they all avoid currently.
1. Change the Nouvelle Chicane to allow for more aggressive lunges (there are many attempts which simply fail, since you can't lunge properly)
2. Use the space in the marina area better - wider track, little different layout (mainly pool section) - reduce the size of the grand stands if needed.
3. relocate the "La Rascasse" Bar or make it smaller to allow for a wider "La Rascasse Turn"
4. Relocate the Fangio Statue and make the greenery temporary/removable - use the new space for a decent turn 18/19 (wider, not a chicane turn), to allow more speed and maybe even some drs overtakes on the main straight
I think they just need to add some speed ups maybe a banana or 2 and a couple of red and green shells