When a Viggen Won a Dogfight without Firing a Single Shot
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- In 1985, the Cold War was in full swing. A few years before, Russian warships had almost been sunk by the Swedish armed forces as the Russian ships tried to retreive a nuclear armed submarine from Swedish waters. In July of 1985, Swedish and Soviet fighters would find themselves in a deadly encounter.
7:20 chased by two stacked fighter jets while unarmed, and he pulls out a camera to photograph one of them. My man was on a mission and set out to complete it.
The Viggen was in competition with the F16 and Mirage F1 for the Belgian Air Force in the 70's. The Falcon/Viper was chosen. I wouldn't have minded the Viggen as the backbone of our air force though. That bird was a beast. Salutations from Belgium.
It usually has little to do with which plan is best. It is often the surroundings and politics that decide. Considering how good the plane was, Viggen would have won.
The Export Viggen would have been a more advanced multirole JA37 with aditionalhardpoints where the JA37 later carried countermeasure dispensers
The US vetoed Viggen exports through the engine production licence, just as they have with the Gripen whenever the F-35 was a contender.
@@SonsOfLorgar No the US has never blocked the Gripen because of the Engine.
The RM12 can't be blocked by the US specifically because of the experiences with the Viggen, Sweden has a much better agreement with the US and has purchased the engine design outright and made it's own derivative.
This is why an evolved RM12 exists as an alternative in the Gripen E for export because the RM16 is straight up an F414G engine.
I heard about this when it happened but didn’t realize how close they were to Latvia. Anyway great piloting and show of strength. Exactly what’s needed time to time to make an enemy think twice before attacking. Thanks for a great video!!
Honestly, the Soviets were probably also embarrassed that they lost a plane by maneuver kill to a neutral country, and didn't want to give it much press time.
I grew up in Linköping in the 90's and my friends dad told this story when we were like 11 or so. He was a firefighters at malmen airbase. The information was probably official even then, the cold war was over. As a kid, we thought this was really cool of course, and we were lucky to see the JA37 Viggen take off once or twice. The JAS39 were still experimental back then, we only saw it parked, and at a distance. We later saw the JAS 39 at an air show and was not very impressed, as I kid, we thought the Viggens was the real deal, the big engine and everything. We didn't know much about technology and tactics back then. The Viggen is brutal, even a 11 year old gets the sense of that!
Tack!
I've heard a little about this incident before.
The closest I come to Viggen, is that it was my fathers boss, Dr. Tore Gullstrand, who was in charge of the development of Viggen. He has been in my house, where I'm sitting right now. with his wife and the president of Saab, with wife, at the time. I met Dr. Gullstrand on several occations, including in his office (son of my father...).
The Viggen was such a powerful machine!!!
Thanks!!!
I remember this incident. I was doing my service in the airforce.Su15 is a high altitude fighter not build for dogfight at sealevel.The airforce was put on alert for a while incase the russians thought we shot down the Su15. They realised rather quick what happend and back off
I would argue that actually yes it WAS an odd thing from Sweden. Odd things from Sweden just happen to also be really state of the art. 😉
This is why the Swedish Air Force keeps taking the spot among the best in the world. Not in the number of available aircraft and pilots, but they are up there with the best aircraft and best trained pilots.
What I have learned the sovjet aircraft switched the manouver to the sightsystem when the misile was locked on target and then it was quite easy to force them in to fly under the deck. That will say that the pilot was not the one flying the plane if he wasn’t able to switch back in time.
I see he did a "Crazy Ivan" in the air there and that was enough to get the Russian dizzy
My mother was in the Air Force when I was a child. So I used to read Air Force papers. And it was often that Viggen took part in competitions with western countries. And each time had swept the track with the others.
Tackar. Var nytt för mig.
Swedish reconnaissance aircraft were (are?) supposed to fly unarmed to avoid any idea to engage in combat while being light and nimble enough to disengage from enemies.
Flying low was especially common for the attack aircraft. The first thing visible above the horizon when a flight of A32 was approaching their target across water would be the plumes of water behind the aircraft. Their biggest problem was to constantly fight the ground effect that tried to push lift the planes to a much higher altitude.
Well, we have the JAS 39 now. It’s very multirole. It all depends on what you arm it with.
I've heard of Swedish fighter planes that came home with dents from the waves.
And often with pine needles and twigs stuck in the wing hardpoints and control surfaces...
According to my Draken and Viggen certified Uncle, that usually resulted in an official reprimand by the wing commander followed by a round of drinks and pats on the back down at the pilot's mess after shift change for getting themselves and the plane back to base without becoming statistics.
(We lost, on average, just over one pilot per week at the time,
to fatal or permanent injuries beyond what's allowed for going back up.)
Supersonic at 50 m? Both he and the Russian pilots seem epic.
I remember this!
I heard the crash was in part due to bad/imprecise avionics. The altimeter gave erroneous values.
I think a huge part of why the soviets did not make this in to big thing was because this was a huge embarrassment.
If someone scared you so badly that you shat your self then that wouldn't be something you would make big fuss about either.
Good story, thanks!
Tack!
Va fan, det är jag som skall tacka! 😂
I wonder what G it pulled during the chase as it would show on the report after.the incident
The Swedish pilot was not unaware that he could do higher G's and tighter turns than the Su-15.
The Russian pilot needed more situational awareness to avoid what happened.
Amazing story from the past❤️ can you confirm JAS got a switch for training /war? Could be a thing for a video unless it's a secret.
Can't confirm the JAS but a lot of Swedish equipment has this. For some (like radar) it is to hide the true potential, for some (like engines) is is to last longer with lots of training. It would not surprise me if it is a global thing.
Jas has no war switch, it's limited to 9G but if the pilot can handle more he can force the stick over that limit and get 12G but that is probably nothing to recommend.
@@birrextio6544 ".. probably not to recommend."
No, probably not.😅