This was extremely helpful to explain why most of the recommended options for a pistol safe i found were so expensive compared to other ones i saw. My dad kept telling me that theres cheaper ones to get (he offered to buy it for me), but i kept insiting on ones on your list. Thanks for all the useful behind the scenes info and efforts you put in to making the world a safer place. I firmly believe that if people properly store their firearms and unauthorized access is prevented, a lot of gun violence can be eliminated. Having an actual functioning safe is the first step to achieving that. The next step is using it...
I’m a dad who just wants to protect my family the best I can. I feel like we’re generally living in a world without standards these days and I don’t have time research every field. It’s exhausting. Seeing 175 views on this is sad. This is really informative and seems like an important starting point for anyone knew to buying a safe.
I've been subscribed to your channel for a couple of years now, and I always appreciate the quality information you put out. This explainer isn't the most exciting thing ever, but it's really important and you did an excellent job explaining why there are so many terrible, terrible handgun safes on the market. Also why it's a bad idea to buy anything important sight-unseen on Amazon. Thanks for making the video.
You're welcome. I recorded and edited together 3 long takes! I cut out loads of information, too much. But the video was getting too long. At least now, when a journalist wants to do a story, I can send a link to this video, and we can have a more productive conversation.
I don't know why youtube recommended this but I'm glad and I watched it until the end. It's easy to delegate responsibility and think there's gotta be at least someone in the chain who made sure safes are safe.
I was looking for a safe but wasn’t happy with the basic options. I wanted a simple lock on a metal box. Offline. No electronics. No biometric. A simplex lock was the only real option. Everything else is electronics. Thank you for educating people on proper safes!
Love my simplex safes. I found the amsec 1210hd and its clones (stealth) to be amazing security boxes. If permanently bolted to a heavy object, it’s a huge deterrent/impediment to thieves.
I bought a firearm about a month ago, and I have been searching for a safe since. Every time I look at the various product offerings, I feel a lot of doubt about how cheaply they are made, how effective the locking mechanisms are, how secure they actually are, etc. When you go to a gun store, you assume there can be some level of trust in the products they have on the shelves, but the name-brands at the stores all appear to just be repackaged offerings from China, and they can cost hundreds of dollars. My doubts were based on my hunches. I really don't have an in-depth knowledge of how these safes work, or how things get designed, or anything. Just hunches based on my lifetime of experience with shoddy products in all areas. I'm glad to know my hunches were not unfounded. People are relying on these handgun safes to store their most dangerous possessions. It's just sad how poor most offerings are.
I have a handgun safe with a Simplex lock. I use this device solely to comply with state laws. I have no expectation that it is actually secure in any way. I'm sure that a child could get into it with a screwdriver. But we have no children in our home, so that simply isn't a concern for me. I have screwed this box into a cabinet. I'm sure that a thief could easily rip it out from the cabinet. But, again, I'm only counting on this device to comply with state laws. I know this device isn't secure in any way.
I wish I could send you a handgun safe from South Africa. The standards for gun safes are very stricted and set by the national police service. As a result they only vary in size. Same gauge of steel. Same theft resistant lock. All gun safes must be inspected by a police officer after installation as well. That's where safe storage laws are going. Every handgun safe will eventually need to be certified by Underwriters Laboratory before sale. Honestly, I wish there were just an oligopoly of brands that offered good safes and the riffraff were driven out of the market.
Are you in South Africa? If you are, or if you know somebody living there, maybe we can arrange something. Contact me by email. You can find my email on the "About" page of my channel.
@@HandgunSafe I will send you pictures so you understand what I mean by "they only vary in size." Basically, I assume the quality of the safes only varies at the level of welds and paint. The government industrial designers specified everything. I have only ever seen pictures of the rifle safes, so they might use thicker steel. Bottom line, I'll try to send you a small safe, but whatever you can glean from it will apply to at least anything you would call a "handgun safe." The same lock boxes are required for storing guns in a vehicle as well. I'm very curious what you think of their quality. I will explain more in email, but there are many important reasons why SA has the gun regulations they do. Safe storage rules serve many functions in SA society and tie in with other gun regulations.
I think a lot of these containers are made for a market of US gun owners who are into malicious compliance for any gun law, instead of the safety of their own loved ones. So it's a feedback loop.
No matter how many companies I expose for importing dangerous products, there will be gun owners willing to buy their products anyway because the same companies attend every Shot Show and donate to the 2nd Amendment Foundation, etc., etc. Would that be malicious gun-rights support? Consumers might play a small part in this industry of dangerous handgun safes, but since most of them are not security people they don't know what they're buying.
I enjoyed the video and all of your videos. I am surprised about one thing not mentioned. So US companies do not design a safe and then have China produce it at US specs? Why don't US companies design high quality and highly secure handgun safes and have another country produce it? That seems like a shocker to me. Thanks !!!
There has to be an incentive to invest in R&D and quality industrial design. People tend to avoid doing what they should do unless forced to by law. Since Chinese manufacturers are constantly making cosmetic, feature-centered upgrades to products, the only design work that matters for making sales is being done without request. The few U.S. companies that are having components made to spec in China are selling decent products. But I prefer not to name names. I support this last group. Just consult my recommendations list for the best products.
I’m all for safe storage of firearms. But I feel that educating your kids about firearms is even more important. It doesn’t matter how responsible you are with your stored firearms your kids will be some where playing with their friends whose parents have a gun stored in a closet or dresser and you can bet that their kids know that gun is there. So please teach your young ones what to do when one of their friends try to show them mommy and daddy’s gun.
If tariffs can provide effective leverage, that would be good. Contributing to the market of bad safes, on the consumer side, I suspect many folks don't care too much about security, or if they do, they simply don't know how easy it is to bypass/defeat so much of what's out there and they assume what's on the shelf is good. Or they think it's good enough to stop their kids and aren't trying to stop adults. Years ago I had a bedside-mounted safe (you showed a flaw in a similar one) that I lost access to. How'd I get in to get my gun back out of it? I pried open the 18 gauge or whatever thin steel it was made of and thus trashed the safe. That means a burglar could have done the same thing.
The point of this video is that consumers are not the ones making decisions about these products at any level. Consumers are not responsible for the industry. As for tariffs, that isn't going to change anything aside from raising prices. Tariffs are not the solution to the problem America has created by allowing the Chinese to take ownership of too many sectors of manufacturing. Unfortunately, Trump's big talk about tariffs is irrelevant.
I have yet to find a "safe" that I couldn't break in less than 3 minutes with two simple tools. The "clam-shell" cases are the easiest. Most of these items all contain the same fundamental flaw. I have kind of given up. I think you can get a decent unit for around $500 but I haven't held one in my hands so I have not yet been able to observe the weaknesses of the more expensive devices. But if you use a $50 "safe" it isn't "safe."
I don't know what "two simple tools" you're referring to, but most of the items on my recommendations list will take longer than that to break into. If you want to play expert under my videos, please have a resource online showing what you've done.
@@HandgunSafe There are enough videos showing how to break these "safes." I don't think I would make the world better showing more people how easily most of these items can be defeated. I proved it to myself and that was sufficient.
@@PaleoCon2008 I'm curious to know what exactly it is you proved to yourself. I've examined more of these devices than anyone else has. Anyone can learn this simple fact online. I would like to know how you went about acquiring your expertise. In what capacity did you do the work?
If you look at the demographic distribution in China you will see that there is not enough young people in the country to replace their aging workforce. We should start seeing the collapse of Chinese manufacturing in the next 15 years or so. Even with China lying about the numbers is easy to see that the number of workers 55 and older cannot be replaced by those who are under 35. The number of young people will not be enough to man the factories, which will drive up labor costs and force out companies from China.
I think you're way off base. As I discussed in a previous video, universities in China are generating more graduates in STEM subjects than any other nation in the world, by the millions. China is far, far outpacing all other nations. These are not the best university programs, but China's growing work force has been adequate to maintain China's status as the world's manufacturing resource. I do not for one moment believe westerners can trust data on births and deaths coming from China. The CCP controls all information released to the west. If you wish to believe there are "experts" in the U.S. who have accurate data, you are free to believe that. I suggest you gauge China's strengths and capabilities by their actions, the number of STEM subject graduates, the steady expansion of the Belt and Road Initiative, the size of China's military, etc. China is in no danger of collapse.
@@HandgunSafe Just go to wikipedia, type in China demographics and look how top heavy their population is. That isn't an opinion. Their population is old and not getting younger. Their "One Child" policy is now catching up. Just do a cursory search. They are also over counting their female population.
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This was extremely helpful to explain why most of the recommended options for a pistol safe i found were so expensive compared to other ones i saw. My dad kept telling me that theres cheaper ones to get (he offered to buy it for me), but i kept insiting on ones on your list. Thanks for all the useful behind the scenes info and efforts you put in to making the world a safer place.
I firmly believe that if people properly store their firearms and unauthorized access is prevented, a lot of gun violence can be eliminated. Having an actual functioning safe is the first step to achieving that. The next step is using it...
I’m a dad who just wants to protect my family the best I can. I feel like we’re generally living in a world without standards these days and I don’t have time research every field. It’s exhausting. Seeing 175 views on this is sad. This is really informative and seems like an important starting point for anyone knew to buying a safe.
Maybe your most important video. I'm sure this took quite a bit of effort. Excellent work.
Thanks. It was a pain to do. Listening to one's own voice is unpleasant enough. Looking at one's own face, ugh.
I've been subscribed to your channel for a couple of years now, and I always appreciate the quality information you put out. This explainer isn't the most exciting thing ever, but it's really important and you did an excellent job explaining why there are so many terrible, terrible handgun safes on the market. Also why it's a bad idea to buy anything important sight-unseen on Amazon.
Thanks for making the video.
You're welcome. I recorded and edited together 3 long takes! I cut out loads of information, too much. But the video was getting too long. At least now, when a journalist wants to do a story, I can send a link to this video, and we can have a more productive conversation.
I really appreciate all the work and knowledge you share on this channel. What you do here can save lives. Thank you!
I don't know why youtube recommended this but I'm glad and I watched it until the end. It's easy to delegate responsibility and think there's gotta be at least someone in the chain who made sure safes are safe.
I was looking for a safe but wasn’t happy with the basic options. I wanted a simple lock on a metal box. Offline. No electronics. No biometric. A simplex lock was the only real option. Everything else is electronics.
Thank you for educating people on proper safes!
padlock on a pelican case is probably your best option if that's what you are looking for. You can then attach whatever lock you want on that.
Love my simplex safes. I found the amsec 1210hd and its clones (stealth) to be amazing security boxes. If permanently bolted to a heavy object, it’s a huge deterrent/impediment to thieves.
We really need to be using a different name for them than "safe"...
"Lockable storage container" seems more appropriate. We need a national security rating system, like we have with car crash safety ratings.
Impregnable container?
I bought a firearm about a month ago, and I have been searching for a safe since. Every time I look at the various product offerings, I feel a lot of doubt about how cheaply they are made, how effective the locking mechanisms are, how secure they actually are, etc. When you go to a gun store, you assume there can be some level of trust in the products they have on the shelves, but the name-brands at the stores all appear to just be repackaged offerings from China, and they can cost hundreds of dollars.
My doubts were based on my hunches. I really don't have an in-depth knowledge of how these safes work, or how things get designed, or anything. Just hunches based on my lifetime of experience with shoddy products in all areas. I'm glad to know my hunches were not unfounded. People are relying on these handgun safes to store their most dangerous possessions. It's just sad how poor most offerings are.
great video/subject, thanks for all your hard work that went into this !!
have a great day
Thank you for sharing. You do great work, though I know it can be frustrating.
Never expected a face reveal
Now you know why I never bothered. Looking at me is not enhancing your RUclips experience.
I have a handgun safe with a Simplex lock. I use this device solely to comply with state laws. I have no expectation that it is actually secure in any way. I'm sure that a child could get into it with a screwdriver. But we have no children in our home, so that simply isn't a concern for me.
I have screwed this box into a cabinet. I'm sure that a thief could easily rip it out from the cabinet. But, again, I'm only counting on this device to comply with state laws. I know this device isn't secure in any way.
I wish I could send you a handgun safe from South Africa. The standards for gun safes are very stricted and set by the national police service. As a result they only vary in size. Same gauge of steel. Same theft resistant lock. All gun safes must be inspected by a police officer after installation as well.
That's where safe storage laws are going. Every handgun safe will eventually need to be certified by Underwriters Laboratory before sale.
Honestly, I wish there were just an oligopoly of brands that offered good safes and the riffraff were driven out of the market.
Are you in South Africa? If you are, or if you know somebody living there, maybe we can arrange something. Contact me by email. You can find my email on the "About" page of my channel.
@@HandgunSafe I will send you pictures so you understand what I mean by "they only vary in size." Basically, I assume the quality of the safes only varies at the level of welds and paint. The government industrial designers specified everything. I have only ever seen pictures of the rifle safes, so they might use thicker steel. Bottom line, I'll try to send you a small safe, but whatever you can glean from it will apply to at least anything you would call a "handgun safe." The same lock boxes are required for storing guns in a vehicle as well. I'm very curious what you think of their quality.
I will explain more in email, but there are many important reasons why SA has the gun regulations they do. Safe storage rules serve many functions in SA society and tie in with other gun regulations.
Can’t like this video enough. Should be required viewing for young people.
What is a person to do if he wants a true handgun safe not a box?
There are video's right on the channel just for you! It's how I got mine (an MSafe).
Check out my playlist of recommended safes.
very interesting@@HandgunSafe
Thank you. Now I know what to buy.
Just get a small safe that fits. It'll cost less than something marketed specifically for handguns and probably have better security
Which gun safe brands do you like? VAULTEK?
See my playlists for a list of safes I recommend.
I think a lot of these containers are made for a market of US gun owners who are into malicious compliance for any gun law, instead of the safety of their own loved ones. So it's a feedback loop.
No matter how many companies I expose for importing dangerous products, there will be gun owners willing to buy their products anyway because the same companies attend every Shot Show and donate to the 2nd Amendment Foundation, etc., etc. Would that be malicious gun-rights support? Consumers might play a small part in this industry of dangerous handgun safes, but since most of them are not security people they don't know what they're buying.
Imagine applying the same logic to poorly designed seat belts or air bags ...
I enjoyed the video and all of your videos. I am surprised about one thing not mentioned. So US companies do not design a safe and then have China produce it at US specs? Why don't US companies design high quality and highly secure handgun safes and have another country produce it? That seems like a shocker to me. Thanks !!!
There has to be an incentive to invest in R&D and quality industrial design. People tend to avoid doing what they should do unless forced to by law. Since Chinese manufacturers are constantly making cosmetic, feature-centered upgrades to products, the only design work that matters for making sales is being done without request. The few U.S. companies that are having components made to spec in China are selling decent products. But I prefer not to name names. I support this last group. Just consult my recommendations list for the best products.
I’m all for safe storage of firearms. But I feel that educating your kids about firearms is even more important. It doesn’t matter how responsible you are with your stored firearms your kids will be some where playing with their friends whose parents have a gun stored in a closet or dresser and you can bet that their kids know that gun is there. So please teach your young ones what to do when one of their friends try to show them mommy and daddy’s gun.
I completely disagree. But thanks for posting this. You've given me the idea for my next video.
If tariffs can provide effective leverage, that would be good. Contributing to the market of bad safes, on the consumer side, I suspect many folks don't care too much about security, or if they do, they simply don't know how easy it is to bypass/defeat so much of what's out there and they assume what's on the shelf is good. Or they think it's good enough to stop their kids and aren't trying to stop adults. Years ago I had a bedside-mounted safe (you showed a flaw in a similar one) that I lost access to. How'd I get in to get my gun back out of it? I pried open the 18 gauge or whatever thin steel it was made of and thus trashed the safe. That means a burglar could have done the same thing.
The point of this video is that consumers are not the ones making decisions about these products at any level. Consumers are not responsible for the industry. As for tariffs, that isn't going to change anything aside from raising prices. Tariffs are not the solution to the problem America has created by allowing the Chinese to take ownership of too many sectors of manufacturing. Unfortunately, Trump's big talk about tariffs is irrelevant.
@@HandgunSafeTrump doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground. Quit listening to a a guy that bankrupted casinos. Listen to legitimate sources
I have yet to find a "safe" that I couldn't break in less than 3 minutes with two simple tools. The "clam-shell" cases are the easiest. Most of these items all contain the same fundamental flaw. I have kind of given up. I think you can get a decent unit for around $500 but I haven't held one in my hands so I have not yet been able to observe the weaknesses of the more expensive devices. But if you use a $50 "safe" it isn't "safe."
I don't know what "two simple tools" you're referring to, but most of the items on my recommendations list will take longer than that to break into. If you want to play expert under my videos, please have a resource online showing what you've done.
@@HandgunSafe There are enough videos showing how to break these "safes." I don't think I would make the world better showing more people how easily most of these items can be defeated. I proved it to myself and that was sufficient.
@@PaleoCon2008 I'm curious to know what exactly it is you proved to yourself. I've examined more of these devices than anyone else has. Anyone can learn this simple fact online. I would like to know how you went about acquiring your expertise. In what capacity did you do the work?
Gun owners probably wont like it, but the obvious solution is regulation.
Yep. I agree.
Yes, more laws are always the answer for those who don't live in reality.
Do you really think criminals follow laws?
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I know! The have Guns inside. 😅
If you look at the demographic distribution in China you will see that there is not enough young people in the country to replace their aging workforce. We should start seeing the collapse of Chinese manufacturing in the next 15 years or so. Even with China lying about the numbers is easy to see that the number of workers 55 and older cannot be replaced by those who are under 35. The number of young people will not be enough to man the factories, which will drive up labor costs and force out companies from China.
I think you're way off base. As I discussed in a previous video, universities in China are generating more graduates in STEM subjects than any other nation in the world, by the millions. China is far, far outpacing all other nations. These are not the best university programs, but China's growing work force has been adequate to maintain China's status as the world's manufacturing resource.
I do not for one moment believe westerners can trust data on births and deaths coming from China. The CCP controls all information released to the west. If you wish to believe there are "experts" in the U.S. who have accurate data, you are free to believe that. I suggest you gauge China's strengths and capabilities by their actions, the number of STEM subject graduates, the steady expansion of the Belt and Road Initiative, the size of China's military, etc. China is in no danger of collapse.
@@HandgunSafe Just go to wikipedia, type in China demographics and look how top heavy their population is. That isn't an opinion. Their population is old and not getting younger. Their "One Child" policy is now catching up. Just do a cursory search. They are also over counting their female population.