Warcraft III Reforged vs Re-Reforged (Cutscene Comparison) Part 1
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- Опубликовано: 14 май 2024
- This is a comparison of a fan-made project against the Official Blizzard Reforged release. A single individual who goes by the name of InsaneMonster has decided to finish what Blizzard could not. In my opinion he has done an amazing job with the cinematics, new level and story missions design. Have a look and you can make up your own mind on which is better ;)
Please do support him ! The below links will lead to his:
InsaneMonster's RUclips Channel
/ insanemonsterw3rr
InsaneMonster's Patrion Page
/ insanemonster
InsaneMonster's Re-Reforged Download link
www.hiveworkshop.com/members/...
Video Chapters:
00:00:00 Intro
00:00:10 Thralls meeting with the Prophet
00:01:27 Thrall Gathering Warriors
00:02:20 Ogre Ambush
00:04:17 Golem Ambush
00:05:03 The Prophecy
00:08:43 Search for Hellscream
00:10:53 Human Encounter
00:12:59 Hellscream's Release
00:16:34 Stranded on an Island
00:24:06 Cleansing the Wells
00:25:50 The Naga Ambush
00:27:36 Imprisoned
00:29:37 The Escape
00:34:33 Naga Extortion
00:37:24 Narrow Retreat
00:39:44 Human Transition
00:41:37 Welcome Prince Arthas
00:44:54 Saving Little Timmy
00:45:51 The Bandits
00:47:11 The Orcish Prisoners
00:49:00 Orcish Base
00:51:12 Dwarvish Expedition
00:52:43 Demonic Traditions
00:54:17 Sound Victory
00:55:28 Dalaran Visitor
00:58:51 Special Agent
01:01:12 Investigation
01:03:13 The Cult
01:05:18 New Camp
01:06:50 The Warning
01:09:08 Kel'Thuzad
01:11:26 Hearthglen
01:16:52 Final Warning 
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It mind boggles me how one guy can beat the whole group of people at remaking the game, blizzard should hire this guy to clean their mess up
To put things into a correct perspective, it's not the fault of the small team that worked on it. It's the fault of the management which did not believe in the project. From the research I did and the info I found they didn't want to allocate the proper / efficient amount of people and resources to the project because they plainly thought it's not gonna make them as much money as their other titles like COD, WoW Etc.... And so they drastically cut the budget and the amount of people working on it, which resulted in art being outsourced to a company in Malaysia or the Philippines I can't remember now which it was and the rest of the promises not fulfilled.
@@GameplayRealm101 my gosh those the management don’t know they need reclaim their reputation? The blizzard weapons are his reputation and wasted it for whatever reason
We all know blizzard won't spend a dime hiring someone better to improve their game
The problem is not really the guy doing it but the guy above him accepting or refusing the work at the end. And the size of the team as well as the bugdet both in time and money.
Simplemente no quisieron hacer algo mejor, tenían todo pero simplemente no quisieron
There is no comparison. Blizzard should be ashamed of themselves.
It was the retards who wanted the same experience with WC3 but better graphics. Blizzard was just playing safe.
agreed
Yes, I am strongly agreed with this. Blizzard seem to denied to improve their game further more. They are still stuck with their past.
*How Mighty Have Fallen !!!*
all i can think of is the meme of plankton seeing the bad krabby patty made by squidward lol
i love to hear the archmage when he says "infoory or infury frostaris seda-ah"
awesome! so good to see what can be achieved if the will to do good exists!
Well said ;)
Blizzard needs to backpay him whatever they would have paid multiple people to do this. Fantastic work mate by a passionate fan.
Couldn't agree with you more 👍
naaah bobby kotick needs another yacht you forgot?
@@god6384 So true 🤣
That's a first problem. This man done all this work just with enthusiasm. The regular workers in the indy or not idny companies works only for money. If a company have a lack of money, then workers will done their job equal to payment. That's why we got what we got
Community work never ceases to amaze me. Warcraft should not belong to greedy companies, it should belong to the people. Lok'tar Ogar!
They should really just license all their work out for money and let fans do stuff with it. Maybe sell a program that allows all licenses for any work derived from ownership of that program.
After that they should fire all blizzard developers.
This is why I wish trademark/copyright BS wasn't as strict. Passion always drives better products than purely profit driven motives. That game is damn near 20 years fuckin old, they had more than enough time to profit off their creation. Time to open things up for fans. Whether or not fans want to do it for donations, commissions, whatever let willing bodies do the work. Blizzard really should just be paying these people themselves and officially sanctioning stuff like this. It would literally be cheaper than them trying to get some lazy dev team to do it anyways.
It's obvious a lot of the current Blizzard devs don't enjoy being there. They take fan favorite characters and take a steaming dump on them. Or forget they exist entirely. So they can show preference to their newly created characters and lore instead which nobody gives a flying fuck about. Even in a perfect world where Bobby kotik himself decided to allow the work on a proper WC3 reforged game, and potentially the other two games as well... it wouldn't be getting made by people that care about the franchise. It'd be getting made by the people that want to censor a funny dryad joke or turn a portrait of a woman into a fruitbowl.
Truly amazing what passion creates
I disagree with the copyright suggestion. It basically discourages innovation and new IPs, but allows older IPs with a base to decide the direction of the brand like a union or committee.
Overall these are fantastic, the extra camera work alone really gives the characters personality and makes it feel like you are a part of the story. However, offering a bit criticism, a number of the re-reforged scenes feel weirdly drawn out or don't fit the mood. As an example the ending Hearthglen scene starts off great with a close up of Arthas and his army being pinned down and overrun. But then Uther arrives, kills a few ghouls, and then the rest of the army slowly approaches or just stands there. It almost immediately took any urgency away from the scene which is a shame because I think the setup was nice and intense. (Also Jaina randomly being there before Uther and his army is odd but I'm not sure if that is an in-game change that was made so I won't include it as a nitpick)
Again I want to say that the majority of these changes are major improvements and I am really looking forward to seeing more of these. I'm just offering criticism in areas I think could be further improved.
Edited: I just read that this video showcased an early version so maybe what I just wrote isn't relevant anymore but I'll keep this opinion posted anyways.
So good, gives Sen’jin a lot more character
The man who made re-reforged has done what blizzard has miserably failed to do.
The difference between doing something mainly for a paycheck and doing it from passion first.
Besides some lighting on the faces this looks immaculate
Hello there some of those issues have been already patched. ;)
Cool vid man :D i was looking for a comparison i appreciate your work, thank you.
Thank you very much ! :) I'm glad I could be helpful ;)
Now why couldn’t of Blizzard go with this extremely impressive build. It’s far, far better in every conceivable way. Hats off to the moders who made this art. Fight the power! 👍🥰
They were too busy stealing breast milk.
Modder, there's one person. It's not a game company with a ton of resources, it's a single person with a hobby and a job they have to fulfill 5 days a week.
Amazing attention to detail how the fire in the background goes out when Sen'Jin dies 33:20
The worst thing that Blizzard keep doing over and over, is ruining their older content. Like, we could have just called reforged bad and be done with it, but hey forced you to replace the original and now you can't even get the original. Just why?
Because EULA.
They lost out on DoTA so in order to ensure that doesn't happen again they need to own anything you create for that game. Hence the new terms and conditions in the EULA.
But they can't force new terms and conditions onto the old game that people own already and were still playing so they discontinue the old game/servers and force everyone into the new system.
@@kamma44 Yeah but they do nothing with it. Create a ladder based on the best games made and then pay the best mapmakers and port the best ones to apps (in a blizzard app store) or make a full game out of it. They're sitting on tons of potentially multibillion dollar genres. You almost want them to be greedier but they're too dumb to be that greedy and now we get them playing catch up in the app store for missing out on tricking toddlers to adolescents out of their money by manipulating their dopamine.
Like be greedy, you have a whole community of people already trying to make your work better. You succeeded. You were the gamer's gaming company. You have it all, stop screwing it up.
"'Cause fuck 'em. That's why." -Blizzard
Level 6 bolder fist oger has to be my favorite part of this whole thing
It's amazing how much better this game is when the story is given respect and love. Look at these differences? Hearthglen was one of my favorite missions in WC3 because it was a turning point in the story where you see the cracks forming. In the re-reforged, there is so much more detail! They even have the villagers, who have eaten the plagued grain, appear kinda sick in the background while the footman addresses Arthas + co. That level of storytelling is so good it's infuriating. Blizzard didn't just drop the ball, they kicked it and laughed while people cried. Edit for context: I am so angry about the damage they have done to this that I can't even get all of my thoughts out or spell.
I just realized that footmen are left-handed
I can’t wait for re-re-reforged
In the old one heroes used to look up when medivh flew away.
I would play Warcraft 3 all over again if these cutscenes were in the actual game.
Re-Reforged SO GOOD
Nice to a member of the community help this poor indie company out, it couldnt have been easy
InsaneMonster cares so much more about the game than the blizzard team it’s insane
The only thing that bothers me is too many fade-black transitions where often they should just be instantaneous. Otherwise this is much much better.
The first problem is in money. This man done all this work just with enthusiasm. The regular workers in the indy or not idny companies works only for money. If a company have a lack of money, then workers will done their job equal to payment. That's why we got what we got. And that is a cruel true, which many people ignored, when talking about fan-made projects
There's actual cinematics in this one. Great job!
The game needs a re re re reforged
This is amazing
57:00 I don't care either way, but the Jaina's Meeting interlude rework is aesthetically high-IQ - he put the comedic gag to the beginning (showcasing the Reforged golem), and teleported Jaina and Antonidas to a secluded library because the topic is touchy.
01:02:44 On the other hand, it pains me to see him turn Thalassian Elves... black. But hey, all Americans are Blizzard-tier in this regard. - Adûnâi
Black Elves? I though he was undead or a necromancer when i saw him lol
Hi, i believe that was an in-game lighting error, which has been already patched-out.
Looks amazing
Sin dudas, los juegos de blizzard viven gracias a su comunidad porque la compañía los dejó atras hace rato
the modder made an in-game cinematic for every single time that blizzard dissapoint us , nice 👍
WOW THAT'S SO BEAUTIFUL
damn this is Amazing work blizz should pay you
I don't know, I still kind of like the original cartoon version better than both upgrades. WC was never meant to be taken too seriously and the cartoon style emphasized that, but when you bring things closer to looking realistic it just takes away that ability to see it as nothing but a fantasy. (I don't know if I'm explaining this right, but it makes sense in my head). but with that said, I do still like the Re-Reforged look better, you can feel the love and effort put into the remake.
I heart you! 100% agree!
I disagree, mainly because I don't understand the point of WC being "nothing but a fantasy" (if I understand correctly). For example game's cinematics were always serious and dark, and they are one of the most iconic features of this franchise.
@@user-fd5nz5lo7m It's just a personal feeling, I grew up on the cartoon and the cgi of old so I'm mainly projecting my nostalgia with my distaste for modern gamming.
@@AlexanderKirkpatrick agree. i personally love the cartoony graphics of W3. i wouldn't mind the realistic and detailed update if it weren't for the fact that the characters now look like from a generic mobile mmo ad :// (also creating detailed designs for EVERY single character in a game that lets you control a lot of individual units is not a good idea)
I don't think Re-Reforged will fix FOR HONOR YES FOR HONOR YES FOR HONOR
And that's a good thing.
I really appriciate your hard work brother you are more worthy than billion dollar company who does not care about it's fans and their enjoyment in video games you earned my subscribe for sure brother. ✌🏻🙂
hey, big companies, here's a little secret: your products are still alive because of we fans, if it depended on you they would be dead and you'd be forgotten.
if the warcraft 3 reforged version like the one who made the re-reforged, it would be great
sad they couldn't do it the right way
i would've loved to have played warcraft 1-2-3 to see the classical build up into world of warcraft
Good thing I got my physical copy of Warcraft 3
Welcome to the club ! 👍 Same here for both the Chaos and the Throne.
To think the guy is working for free, and Blizzard can claim his project as actual canon anytime...
(tbh he didn't polish the models, didn't create alternative skins to differentiate between talking generic units and didn't create new animations to show different emotions, so to my senses it's still not up to the enormous standards that Blizzard initially put in the Blizzcon showcase, but it's a 11/10 job nonetheless)
Reforged initially planned to use animations pretty close to motion captured cutscenes, things they do for world of warcraft in cutscenes like jaina summoning the kultiran fleet.
But the thing is that the amount of cutscenes you'd need to do in war3 to accommodate for everything in the game would be larger in quantity then several wow expansions.
Obviously that wasn't a good choice because it spends too much resources on something that wasn't as important, yet ReReforged uses a mix of new and classical cutscene creation method and marries it to do improvements on the retail product.
Quite clever.
Fan-made are always better than many from the actual source nowadays
While the scenes are good, some of the camera work takes a bit too long, and kind of takes away the mood.
I like most of it, a few odd changes though. Its good more named characters were present in the campaign but it sucks Vol'jin wasn't added, missed opportunity. I thought the elves were pale with blond hair? I may be remembering it wrong though. Aren't they high elves not Night elves? But all up much better than what blizzard did. TBH Blizzard should have remade the game like Starcraft 2 with interactive clicks so a lot more lore and character building could be explored. Unfortunately Blizzard has gone down the toilet with their quality, hopefully they can bounce back.
I think Vol'jin wss present in Re-Reforged at the Loa cutscene of Prologue 3.......
A little bit too much cinematic in my opinion and would have generated a lot of controversy, BUT on the right and proper times , this is a delight, very impressive and amazed to watch. Excellent work!
God I hate the awkwardly cut in "Hellscream" that replaces Grom. It's so damn noticeable :/
Шикарно!! Когда полноценный релиз?
К сожалению, официальной даты релиза у него пока нет. Работа продвигается медленно, но верно. На этом этапе вы можете принять участие в прологе и всей человеческой истории.
The re reforged is crazy
Re-reforged has a sense of charm to it, like if was made with passion.
Reforge has a sense of scam to it, like if was made with hate.
Warcraft deserves so much more than this. The fact that one guy can do better than the whole blizzard team makes me feel bad for having chosen Warcraft as my one and only fantasy world. Nor Harry Potter, nor Lord of the Rings, none fantasy world has amazed me the way warcraft did, and witnessing such a scarcity in resources for such a potential world simply depresses me.
Man blizzard is pathetic. Billions to work with and yet they get shown how it's done by a single modder. Bravo sir,
I dunno if a new cutscene for every little thing is a good idea
The golem sleeping animation is nice. I have only seen one custom map utilised that feature.
Not to sound like a shill but I think the extra camera work and fog doesn't really add anything and you could argue that it takes away from the experience of the game by yanking control away from the player, like I'm playing the game I don't want to be interrupted by a cutscene mid-mission
In my best dreams Blizzard (after merge with MicroSoft) would do Re-Reforged by themeselves or, much better, with the help of passionate community. I'm sure they just have to do it not for money, but to regain reputaion and gamers' faith. Unfortunately, I don't think this is the case, but at least we have such fans, who can create great things to the games they do love.
Also, I hope Blizzard will resurrect HotS (MOBA) with help of MS, but still a lot of doubts.
god i fucking hate how they broke the dialogue whenever grom is supposed to be name dropped
Wow none of them have fake accents it’s way less cringey hearing these guys talk.
Re-Reforged is the deus ex machina we needed
Im waiting for the next re-re-reforged
Omg this is amazing , can you play this game ? Seeing this, I can’t believe Warcraft and StarCraft major IPs have been ignored for candy crush …… I think Microsoft is the only hope. What they did with age of empires was impressive
Hello, you can play it but you need the reforged game. This is a fan made campaign pack so you need to download both of these. So far it is not fully redone, the project still continues.
Warcraft III Re-Reforged is what Warcraft III Reforged should have been.
This is mind blowing from what a single guy could do, what the entire Blizzard Entertainment company failed to do.
Shame on you, Blizzard!
Arthas looking like a primarch. 😮
Re-reforged cleaned up some mess Blizzard has done
Does anyone know how to zoom the camera all the way out in re reforged
Re-Reforged is what I expected from Reforged...
Might actually buy re-forged if this is completed.
if you never played w3 before it may be all right, but for me its like they changed all the actors in the movie. Its not enough just to put some green guy in the picture and call it a day, it must be same Thrall but with better graphic, and that guy is no Thrall. I prefer Breaking Bad at 360p than Metastasis 4K
wow just the first one made me realise that having thrall getting out of his hut on his mount is stupid rp wise. Nicely done on the remake to have him walk out and his mount join him
I mean, at this point everybody knows that Warcraft 3: Reforged was a Blizzard spit to their fans, a complete fiasco.
But one guy single handedly improving things so much, it's pretty much a big flex for people to realize that they not only made Reforged for pure $wallet collection, but also (with punctual exceptions) they didn't really care to improve it or fix it afterwards since the fans are just capable of doing a faster and better job... being nearly unpaid.
That's the real deal
This is the Reforge I wanted to get, not some graphical upgrade to a 2002 game
1 year too late have Ifound about this project, looks damn amazing!
Actualy it is sad that nowdays developers sell half-made games and fan moders comunity do their job and do it a lot better. Never the less this work is just awesome. Re-reforged looks excelent. :)
Lets hope Blizzard will not sue the creator.
This video made me even more angry towards Blizzard. How can a multi-billion dollar company not do what a fan made with their OWN editor for a couple of weeks or months??? Hope they start loosing money reaaaaally fast these next few years!!! Anyway, superb work, man!
Haven't played wow in a while but what is that WC2 song remake at 11:55 called?
Sorry man, I can't remember the name. I would have a look on my PC but unfortunately I am away from home.
Pretty sad, that one guy does what whole Blizzard couldn't....or wouldn't?
Now THIS is how it should have been!!
53:25-53:53 the guys who made the reforge had seen the SevenTePe’s wc3 experience video clip
The gachimuchi orcist blademaster
The gachimuchi orc: fool paladin…
Uther: wrong room leather guy!
The G O: fock you!
Uther: fock you!
this is amazing.
needs less fading to white and black though.
Hello could you please let me know what do you mean 😌 I am a bit lost 🤣 ...
@@GameplayRealm101 sometimes the camera should just change the position instead of fading in. for example 22:45 Senjin comes closer and the camera fades to black and then he's just standing on the same place. it's my small nitpick though, i just feel like the camera fades a bit too much.
@@IamNCortex Thanks for clarifying what you meant :D
soon we will get Re Re-Reforge
Idk the opening and closing of missions is a yup but the tiny bits are kinda taking you out of the experience during the mission, like that should only be done with significant moments.
Esto Demuestra Que Es Falta De Voluntad Y Trabajo De Blizzard Mejorar Dar Un Mejor Cometido Con Warcraft3. Voy A Comprarlo Solo Por Jugar La Re- Forged
You've missed Re-re-reforged and Re-re-re-reforged I hunbly suppose.
Wish they started created Warcraft 4
Isnt Stranded on an island a custom map or a custom campaign? I know I used to play it a long time ago but now I cant find it. Where can I find it?
I believe that you are describing the Exodus of the Horde Custom Campaign. I think that one was included in the original game files or the other way you could get it, was back in a day on the CD as a demo from a magazine. I believe it is included in the Reforged as a part of it now. Or you could download the Re-Reforged Campaign pack from the video description to play it, but you would still need the Reforged game.
@@GameplayRealm101 I have the base game bought without reforged, is that part of the campaign still included without the reforged version?
@@Intoxicated_Flipflop If I do remember correctly, it should be there. In the Custom Campaign section, but you will have to load it map by map. It will not load you to the next mission automatically if I remember correctly.
If Blizzard had put 10% of your efforts. Beautiful work brother, greetings from Argentina.
damn bro timmy's mom is stacked
😂
]Remenber that Blizzard its only a little multi-billion $$$ corporation with very phew thousands of employees, they obviously can't compete with those big powerful single free-lancers in their free time projects.
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Amazing!! How can I download it please tho ?
Hello there, you can find the instructions in the desription.
This Understandable Cinematic Re-Reforged Warcraft 3 is much better than Reforged Warcraft 3 with a broken scripts sentences and not showing cinematic parts.
Do you guys agree what I’m saying?
The first re reforged scene was just what we needed
I like the additions of WoW landmarks and more detailed unit names.
But i think the modder made it too cinematic at points. Or to be more exact they added too many camera shots where the game takes away control from you.
For example, what's the point of stripping the player of control only to slowly scroll over a sleeping ogre?
It's the first mission of the game. It's a glorified tutorial where you just have to click towards the end. The idea was to show a bit the environment and the creatures. Other more meaningful missions (gameplay wise) have no such thing.
yo, is it completed?, and if is already completed it have and spanish version? or like, how could i change it into spanish
Hello you can find more about the project and the answers you seek here: www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/warcraft-3-re-reforged-the-scourge-of-lordaeron.337516/
Pitty that this re-reforged grafics of the cutscenes did not make it in wow for game play
Oh god, the echo isles look like the echo isles, I am so happy! This is so much better than reforgen D:
I wish blizzard was still cool...
Fans love the game so much and are trying to make it better while Blizzard just ignores their complaints and just drown in their money