After one unsuccessful try and a new phaser I finally got it thanks to your video. Great instruction, thank you for this video. Better for me than all the others including the maker of my cam kit
Just finished doing this on my truck and followed your video step by step. Great video and great detail. I had never installed one before and wanted to make sure I didn't mess it up. You've earned a like and subscribe from me.
The problem with these phase limiters are that they do not fully lock out the cam sprocket, the sprocket can still slightly move on the inside , on the dyno there has been erratic readings and power loss issues with those phaser lockout kits. Ditch that setup and use a LS3 sprocket and billet timing cover. Also, that sprocket has to weight 10lbs, think about taking that rotating mass off the camshaft.
Armando Monreal Late Model Engines offers the Gen V LT1/LT4 VVT delete front kit. Comes with a new billet timing cover, LS3 single bolt cam sprocket, cam bolt. Also it utilizes a LS3 front seal which is less prone to having failures like the factory LT style seal is plagued with. It’s $500, while it’s considerably more expensive, it’s well worth the investment.
I have a 2010 vvt motor just installed in my 08 chevy with afm. I'm having problems with a rattling sound from above idle up to 2500 rpm then it disappears. I've narrowed the noise to behind the valve cover. Would this phaser be wreaking havoc in there? Can I just throw my cam sprocket from my old motor on there in place of the cam phaser and carry on?
I. Did the cam and lifter delete on my 20 5.3 but did not put the phaser limiter in .. after driving on hyway at idle motor has clicking ,grindy,metalic sound around water pump area???? Could this noise be that damn phaser trying to activate???
Hi question..i took the bolt im not supposed to take out all the way out heard it unwind put the delete wedge in bolted it back up..would i run into an issue if i used it?
Is this step necessary? I’m not looking for more performance, I just want my lifter tick to go away and I figured I might as well delete the afm so I don’t have to deal with it later… just bought the truck, got a “deal” should’ve known it was too good to be true, but ya live ya learn and pouting about it ain’t gonna help
Trying to help a buddy that I sold an 07-13 model truck to and it’s throwing a timing code. They say the chain seems loose and I was sure I lined the cam and crank up right. It’s one of those VVT single bolt cams and it’s just hard to see. I did replace the factory timing chain dampener with a LS2 style(solids plastic) any tips on lining that cam phaser up?
FYI: This phaser limiter restricts the variable valve timing from 60 degrees down to 20 degrees of variability.... MORE INFO (for the curious people)....The Cam Phaser is an adjustable sprocket that controls the position of the camshaft relative to the timing of the crankshaft. This is also known as Variable Valve TIming (VVT). The phaser can advance the cam timing at low RPM for a smoother running engine and ideal low RPM performance and then retard timing at higher RPM for more horsepower and performance. The adjustable sprocket is controlled hydraulically using engine oil and the computer to open the solenoid.
The North Pole Santas Work Shop yes you can. Both LME and Katech offer a billet timing cover that allows the use of a LS3 cam sprocket and single cam bolt. The Katech piece is on back order.
The first bolt I tried to loosen (@4:00) position, the freakin torque head stripped out of the the freak bolt. WTH , I had no choice but to drill it enough to get an easy out in it and remove it!!!!!’ &$”&#% I heard something pop when I took it out, that was the only bolt I removed. Did I screw something up??????
Just to be safe we recommend putting it in. One of my buddies did this on his 6th gen Camaro and it flew apart on him and could easily take out an eye or worse.
I have a non dod with vvt cam I am going to install, do I still need to do this to the cam phaser? or can I leave it alone. it is basically a stock cam just non dod.
Thanks for making these videos. Do you need the phaser adjuster because of the new camshaft you are using? In other words, what would happen if you did not install the limiter? I just thought that the point of the vvt was to increase performance, so why is it necessary to limit it?
Technically you could just use the ECU to control cam timing and limit the VVT via software. Since we are using a more aggressive cam we want to be sure to avoid any piston-to-valve clearance issues. Adding the physical cam phaser limiter is a form of added insurance. If there is ever some sort of error via a sensor or software the VVT might advance the cam too far causing valve interference. The cam phaser limiter will ensure it does not advance more than 20 degrees
You will need to check with the cam manufacturer. I'm not 100% sure if you keep the stock lobe sizes if it is. I did is a stage 1 which is only mildly more aggressive and it was necessary.
@@coupe50h no problem! While I think you are probably right, I always recommend double checking with an expert like GPI just to make sure. You don't want to be in this deep and have a simple thing cause an issue. Def let us know what they advise!
@@TheSundaeDrive sure thing, it is a customers truck, I've done several dod deletes, but this is my first 5th gen, and oh boy what a pain it is compared to older ls/lq stuff. Thanks again
On a 2019 Gen V LT L82 5.3 there is a spring plunger behind the plate. Be careful when rotating it out of the way or the plunger and double spring behind it will shoot into a black hole.
Currently working my 09 Silverado w 6.2 l9h, motor didn't come w dod/afm. I got a TSP vvt2 cam, I want to keep vvt, I need to install the comp cam phase limiter for the vvt right?
Good question. I regret not mentioning that. The cam phaser limiter limits the variable timing of the cam. From the factory it is capable of 60 degrees of phase. With the limiter it is closer to 20 degrees.
The Sundae Drive sorry to pepper you with questions what does that do for the engine? Like does it sort of have the engine operate in a more controlled manner in a sense
No Problem! The Cam Phaser is an adjustable sprocket that controls the position of the camshaft relative to the timing of the crankshaft. This is also known as Variable Valve TIming (VVT). The phaser can advance the cam timing at low RPM for a smoother running engine and ideal low RPM performance and then retard timing at higher RPM for more horsepower and performance. The adjustable sprocket is controlled hydraulically using engine oil and the computer to open the solenoid.
@@TexasIslander exactly what happened to me, i ended up rewinding it and worked well. i drove the truck 30k more miles before selling it back to dealership. pretty sure still doing fine🤷🏽♂️ haven’t seen truck around since but i romped on it every chance i got and never showed any sign of anything👍🏽 hope this helps
they took the word of someone and replaced the heads. valve spacing in the head was a few thousandths wider than the bore in the block, they were hitting the block bad, broke a few trunion castings and bent a few valves.
After one unsuccessful try and a new phaser I finally got it thanks to your video. Great instruction, thank you for this video. Better for me than all the others including the maker of my cam kit
Awesome! Glad it hear we were able to help you out. Did your first one come apart?
@@TheSundaeDrive Ohhh yes, about took our eyes out and made a mess lol.
Oh man. That stinks. Glad you are ok
Just finished doing this on my truck and followed your video step by step. Great video and great detail. I had never installed one before and wanted to make sure I didn't mess it up. You've earned a like and subscribe from me.
What were the results
@@arealmaintenanceandrepairl1103 blew up
Is it enough to replace LS3 cam, VLOM, LS3 lifters and ECM tune to delete AFM and save VVT ? L99 2011 camaro ss
What a great detailed video,, so I have a question,, so I’m assuming I have to install the limiter if I’m doing a delete?
It depends on the cam you are running. Whoever you buy they cam from will be able to advise what is needed
The problem with these phase limiters are that they do not fully lock out the cam sprocket, the sprocket can still slightly move on the inside , on the dyno there has been erratic readings and power loss issues with those phaser lockout kits. Ditch that setup and use a LS3 sprocket and billet timing cover. Also, that sprocket has to weight 10lbs, think about taking that rotating mass off the camshaft.
Would u happen to know which car gear vvt delete kit is good for single bolt
Armando Monreal Late Model Engines offers the Gen V LT1/LT4 VVT delete front kit. Comes with a new billet timing cover, LS3 single bolt cam sprocket, cam bolt. Also it utilizes a LS3 front seal which is less prone to having failures like the factory LT style seal is plagued with. It’s $500, while it’s considerably more expensive, it’s well worth the investment.
Lol
I have a 2010 vvt motor just installed in my 08 chevy with afm. I'm having problems with a rattling sound from above idle up to 2500 rpm then it disappears. I've narrowed the noise to behind the valve cover. Would this phaser be wreaking havoc in there? Can I just throw my cam sprocket from my old motor on there in place of the cam phaser and carry on?
I. Did the cam and lifter delete on my 20 5.3 but did not put the phaser limiter in .. after driving on hyway at idle motor has clicking ,grindy,metalic sound around water pump area???? Could this noise be that damn phaser trying to activate???
Hi question..i took the bolt im not supposed to take out all the way out heard it unwind put the delete wedge in bolted it back up..would i run into an issue if i used it?
Do you have to remember What size nut and bolt?
Great explanation on this!
Glad it helped you out!
Is this step necessary? I’m not looking for more performance, I just want my lifter tick to go away and I figured I might as well delete the afm so I don’t have to deal with it later… just bought the truck, got a “deal” should’ve known it was too good to be true, but ya live ya learn and pouting about it ain’t gonna help
Trying to help a buddy that I sold an 07-13 model truck to and it’s throwing a timing code. They say the chain seems loose and I was sure I lined the cam and crank up right. It’s one of those VVT single bolt cams and it’s just hard to see. I did replace the factory timing chain dampener with a LS2 style(solids plastic) any tips on lining that cam phaser up?
No loctite on the cam phaser bolts?
FYI: This phaser limiter restricts the variable valve timing from 60 degrees down to 20 degrees of variability....
MORE INFO (for the curious people)....The Cam Phaser is an adjustable sprocket that controls the position of the camshaft relative to the timing of the crankshaft. This is also known as Variable Valve TIming (VVT). The phaser can advance the cam timing at low RPM for a smoother running engine and ideal low RPM performance and then retard timing at higher RPM for more horsepower and performance. The adjustable sprocket is controlled hydraulically using engine oil and the computer to open the solenoid.
The Sundae Drive can I just remove the vvt since I got rid of my DOD ? I went with a stage two cam
The North Pole Santas Work Shop yes you can. Both LME and Katech offer a billet timing cover that allows the use of a LS3 cam sprocket and single cam bolt. The Katech piece is on back order.
the vvt doesnt work at low rpm it works at high rpm advancing a few degrees the cam for more power and eficiency
The first bolt I tried to loosen (@4:00) position, the freakin torque head stripped out of the the freak bolt. WTH , I had no choice but to drill it enough to get an easy out in it and remove it!!!!!’ &$”&#% I heard something pop when I took it out, that was the only bolt I removed. Did I screw something up??????
Ugh man that stinks. Hard to know for sure. Doesn't hurt to get a new one to be safe
No oil pump alignment tool needed?
We have a video on the oil pump alignment tool that discusses that in detail :)
Is the center bolt necessary when you are replacing the cam limited? The outside bolts seem to be the ones that matter.
I guess he thinks this thing is gonna fly apart.
Just to be safe we recommend putting it in. One of my buddies did this on his 6th gen Camaro and it flew apart on him and could easily take out an eye or worse.
I have a non dod with vvt cam I am going to install, do I still need to do this to the cam phaser? or can I leave it alone. it is basically a stock cam just non dod.
You'll need to check with the cam manufacturer.
Great video simple to the point
Glad you liked it!
My spring came apart does anyone know how many turns it takes to get it back together.
Yeah but where which slot does the phaser go into you didn’t even specify that
Thanks for making these videos. Do you need the phaser adjuster because of the new camshaft you are using? In other words, what would happen if you did not install the limiter? I just thought that the point of the vvt was to increase performance, so why is it necessary to limit it?
Technically you could just use the ECU to control cam timing and limit the VVT via software. Since we are using a more aggressive cam we want to be sure to avoid any piston-to-valve clearance issues. Adding the physical cam phaser limiter is a form of added insurance. If there is ever some sort of error via a sensor or software the VVT might advance the cam too far causing valve interference. The cam phaser limiter will ensure it does not advance more than 20 degrees
The Sundae Drive thanks for the explanation. Looking forward to see the finished project. I have a similar truck (GMC) learned a lot by watching
@@andrewwilkinson5220 awesome! Glad the videos are helping!
@@TheSundaeDrive why not just do the VVT delete as well? Is it harder? Or not necessary?
@@buddyrebel_Garcia from what I understand you only have to do that if you’re adding a bigger Cam
Is this completely necessary if doing a dod delete with a factory replacement type cam
You will need to check with the cam manufacturer. I'm not 100% sure if you keep the stock lobe sizes if it is. I did is a stage 1 which is only mildly more aggressive and it was necessary.
@@TheSundaeDrive thanks for the quick reply, it is a stock size, I think I'll be fine without limiter.
@@coupe50h no problem! While I think you are probably right, I always recommend double checking with an expert like GPI just to make sure. You don't want to be in this deep and have a simple thing cause an issue. Def let us know what they advise!
@@TheSundaeDrive sure thing, it is a customers truck, I've done several dod deletes, but this is my first 5th gen, and oh boy what a pain it is compared to older ls/lq stuff.
Thanks again
Ahh gotcha! The new ones do seem a bit more complicated. Best of luck with it! Hopefully the videos help you out!
What's the torque spec on the 5 bolts? You used a torque wrench but didn't say what it was
I know this comment is 2 yrs old but he says 85 in lbs in the video..
Is the cam phaser only with vvt?
I believe so
On a 2019 Gen V LT L82 5.3 there is a spring plunger behind the plate. Be careful when rotating it out of the way or the plunger and double spring behind it will shoot into a black hole.
Oh good to know! Thanks for sharing.
@@TheSundaeDrive I tried attaching a picture but can't on here.
You could email it to us at contact@tsd-motorsports.com and we can check it out. Thanks!
Currently working my 09 Silverado w 6.2 l9h, motor didn't come w dod/afm. I got a TSP vvt2 cam, I want to keep vvt, I need to install the comp cam phase limiter for the vvt right?
Wondering the same thing. Is the phaser limiter the only thing needed to delete vvt?
@@winstonhiggins2759 the cam phase limiter is for vvt cams, if you delete it you don't need.
Where do you get those rockers?
The rocker arms?
What exactly does a cam phaser limiter do ?
Good question. I regret not mentioning that. The cam phaser limiter limits the variable timing of the cam. From the factory it is capable of 60 degrees of phase. With the limiter it is closer to 20 degrees.
The Sundae Drive sorry to pepper you with questions what does that do for the engine?
Like does it sort of have the engine operate in a more controlled manner in a sense
No Problem! The Cam Phaser is an adjustable sprocket that controls the position of the camshaft relative to the timing of the crankshaft. This is also known as Variable Valve TIming (VVT). The phaser can advance the cam timing at low RPM for a smoother running engine and ideal low RPM performance and then retard timing at higher RPM for more horsepower and performance. The adjustable sprocket is controlled hydraulically using engine oil and the computer to open the solenoid.
The Sundae Drive what’s the benefit? I have 4.8 with vvt will it cause my truck to be sluggish under load at dead stop
This was added in our case because we are deleting DOD from the system with a different cam shaft.
Hi guys, i dont know what was my mistake but i am getting p0011 after i did this cam phaser limiter on my 2008 6.0 😢😢😢
Thank you
so what do you do when the spray spring unwinds? lol
You need to get a new one. I don't think there is a way to repair it easily
The Sundae Drive so there’s no way it could be retensioned?
One of my friends had the spring come undone and he had to replace it. Don't have first hand experience with it coming unwound myself
Did you get it fixed my spring came off right as I was taking off the vise after I installed the limiter?
@@TexasIslander exactly what happened to me, i ended up rewinding it and worked well. i drove the truck 30k more miles before selling it back to dealership. pretty sure still doing fine🤷🏽♂️ haven’t seen truck around since but i romped on it every chance i got and never showed any sign of anything👍🏽 hope this helps
I know how it is installed.
I remove them and install them in a garbage can.
Really simple.
Not if you want a good setup
Results of this
Blew up
they took the word of someone and replaced the heads. valve spacing in the head was a few thousandths wider than the bore in the block, they were hitting the block bad, broke a few trunion castings and bent a few valves.
Pretty much lol.