What They WONT tell you about the Fire Service & Why I QUIT my Firefighting Career.
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- Becoming a Firefighter was my life goal and proudest accomplishment, I really enjoyed the work and most of the people I worked with and I miss it every day. Unfortunately my Fire departments administration and leadership has had on going issues which continue to worsen and I became caught up in the turmoil of their inability lead or to care for their members. Its sad to know that I am just one of the many Firefighters at my old department who are being mistreated, bullied or treated unfairly. After that experience coupled with challenging calls and the publics overall abuse of the emergency system I burned out and decided to call it quits. After resting and getting into a healthier mental state i have come to realize that there are things I wish I had done differently, but at the same time i think ultimately leaving the fire service was the bet thing i could do for myself and my family. Now everyday is much more work and we are experiencing a new kind of stress as small business owners. But at least I am in control of my own life and no one can ever treat me like that again.
Hey everyone, Maxx here. This video is still going crazy after two years so I thought I would share some news about how this decision to leave the Fire Service has changed my life for the better. The last two years were incredibly grueling in regards to the amount of work and stress I endured to be able to maintain my lifestyle, keep my house and get my health back. However, all of the hours of work, stress, ups and downs ect, it was NOTHING in comparison to the regular stress of firefighting life 😂. I am actually so grateful for the experience in both the military and almost 10 years as a Firefighter because it really prepared me for entrepreneurship in a way I never imagined. After putting fire behind me I slowly started to feel more human again, my sleep has returned back to normal and I haven’t had to many major anxiety or PTSD issues I’m a very long time. My appetite is normal again and my hormone levels seem to be much better. Upon leaving the fire service I decided to take my business to the next level. I started Outsiders Media, a full service digital marketing agency that helps companies in the outdoor and off road industries grow their revenue. This business has afforded me the opportunity to hire multiple employees, do what I enjoy doing and have complete freedom over my schedule and life. It hasn’t been easy, but I’m in control of my life now and I no longer have to deal with peoples negativity, inability to manage or any of the garbage I was putting up with before I left. I have had to sacrifice a lot of things in order to pull this off but I have found that simplifying life has helped me reach higher and higher goals. When I left I valued my time with my family, my health and my freedom most, and I was willing to give up anything to get it, money didn’t matter to me nearly as much, but I am happy to report that I am now earning my dickhead ex Lieutenant’s salary every quarter, and hoping to make that every month by the end of next year 😊 For those who are suffering the same way I was, just know you are not trapped, you can change your life. The fire service has prepared you more than you know. Look at the direction your life is heading and ask yourself if this is still the life you want now that all of the glamor has worn off. Look at the state in which people are retiring from your department, are they happy, healthy, still married? Is that someone you want to become? If not, than fix it! That doesn’t always mean quit either, just make sure that you are being heard and that your issues are being resolved. Talk with someone about the shit you’re dealing with and make a series of small changes to improve your situation. Since I posted this video I have received dozens and dozens of emails and messages from guys who are feeling the same way or being treated like shit, so know that you’re not alone in this at all and that the fire service as a whole needs a huge adjustment. Stay safe out there, and take care of yourself.
Pretty much the same! True words bro 👊
It can be a nasty thing brother, good on you for making a positive change.
All best wishes,
Thank you for the video, it’s nice to not feel alone in that.
Takes fortitude to open up about things, especially in an industry that automatically becomes: “YOU’RE A PUSSY” anytime you say something.
-Another past fire guy
You’re not the only one. We have officers with 10+ years that have quit because of the working conditions. The quality of candidates that have been hired has massively declined to fill vacant positions. I almost quit myself after my city changed our retirement from 20 to 25 years. The people make or break this job. Glad you got out.
Thank you sir! As a recipient of the some of those unjust illegal acts you mention I appreciate you beyond words. You renewed my faith in my fellow man. I was starting to doubt wether there were still decent people out there.
@@claytonallison6082do anything you want bro it’s your life
" You don't have to give up your soul for 80 grand" damn dude I felt that
Your video made me go back a few decades in my head.
Retired career female fire suppression lieutenant here. I joined the fire service when I couldn’t find a physical education teaching job in the beginning ‘80s. In the south. Only “girl” that even tried to join that department even as a volunteer. They didn’t know what to do with me.
For example, I was 5’2” 115# and they gave me a men’s XL bunker gear set and 10 1/2 fire boots. (I wore a 5 1/2 woman’s shoe.) I looked pathetic and felt worse.
First structure fire on my knees and I couldn’t move because I was kneeling on my long coat so they thought I was scared. All down hill from there.
Passed everything with flying colors for the department, then after six months, went to the academy where was squad leader and aced the finals. Got my fire degree on my own. But no one wanted me on their shift, especially the firefighter wives. (Did the 24 on/48 off thing then. )
Years later when I got my gold Lt badge less than 1% of the country’s FF were women. Even the day to day station things were rough, like answering the phone and hearing the other person say that they wanted the FD and not dispatch again. (I was the shift officer then.) or trying to reason with the wives that, yes, we close the station to visitors at 8 pm and I WAS going to stay at the station because I worked there! They were convinced I would sleep with their husbands!
Couldn’t stay there after years so I went into industrial FF. Big difference than municipal. Culture war between certified FFs and the company non-certified FFs. It was like two different teams wearing the same uniforms and hating each other.
Found a bigger department that I could work in the Fire Marshal’s division. As a Fire Inspector I hated writing people up for infractions so I convinced them they needed a Pub Ed Officer. Then it was great because I was still helping people somehow and I made my own schedule.
I LOVED being on the apparatus but not the ambulance so much. Would have stayed in the service longer if they didn’t keep pushing the ambulance thing in the departments. I was anEMT for years but as a woman FF they don’t want you on a BRT (big red truck).
When they told me I was “over qualified to APPLY” for an Asst Chief position, I felt like I hit the glass ceiling. I was crushed. I asked repeatedly what part of the job description was I not qualified to apply. They would say something like, “you need pump school”. I was a training officer. I taught pump school. Back and forth it went so I figured it was over.
Ended up leaving and then managed the second largest world-wide 24 hour emergency hotline for hazardous materials.
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All this to make a point: find a way to do what you love.
Safety is what I do now. It’s what I have a passion for. Still helping others as best I can in my 60’s. Wouldn’t trade being in the fire service for nothing but it was hard at that time and make worst by being a female.
When I started, the kids would see me on the truck tailgate going to a call and say “Is you the fire lady?” I’d just nod my head and say, “Yes, I am the fire lady.”
Be happy with your life and your choices always. Thanks for listening. (Sorry so long, I never really put my story down in words before.)
As a prior firefighter and current service member I’ve gotta say this took balls man. A lot of us relate to the way you feel and don’t say anything. Stay healthy. Stay alive.
true. the best part of our lives, in my opinion, are from 18 to around 43. Those are the prime years of a man's life. Of course, the older you get, the more you gotta try to stay lean and fit. I am 32 and stay lean as a possible. But, at the end of the day, I agree with you: life is too short to have your identity be your job.
Well said. I recently quit almost halfway to my retirement and many (I'd say most) of my coworkers are just so desperate to leave and open up to me now that I'm out. I thought I was alone.
He’d come back tomorrow if we’d hire him. You can’t make him happy.
Hey thanks man. I appreciate you saying that. 👊
Watching your heroes turn into control freaks and career villains as you get older is sad...
People don't quit jobs, they quit their bosses. Truer words were never spoken. You can make a difference, however small it is, with your videos. Chin up!
True dat!
Yep, most jobs CAN be great even if they're difficult.
Fact, that’s proven over and over again.
Sounds good but people quit jobs first regardless of an idiot management team. Why do you think their idiots? Becasue of the job or policies right? Yup
My last job I was there 23 1/2 years and finally had enough of the BS the last few years. The original owner passed away and the VP bought the company. Him and I were really tight he always treated me well. The trouble came when he brought his kid in the office. He went to college for financial, I called him a bean counter. He is one cheap F-_er.
Kinda changed careers and went to a great company, year ago I got a job offer fromA large company making a lot more money and better benefits.
The trouble was I really liked my boss, she is great to work for. So when I gave her my notice she asked if she could try and match what the other place offered. I said sure, she got close but not exactly even. My ultimate decision was to stay where I was because I knew my boss and I knew what I had versus going to different company and I wasn’t Sure what I was getting some where else.
Hey bro so glad you had the strength to get through that. High stress jobs can suck your soul quickly. So happy for your families future.
100%!!!!
Thanks man. Good to hear from you 🍻
@@lmilostr it's still here, but typically in your busier units within the busier departments.
He's got it!
Going through the same thing with a new Chief and his 'henchmen'; he came in about 6 months ago and promoted all the 'yesmen', changing the department to a full-on para-military management style that would fill a drill sergeant with envy. Former Chiefs (3 of them in my time) used to encourage suggestions for improving the department, now you'll risk getting reprimanded. Some have gone on to other departments, some have retired early, and some even started new careers. Lucky for me I only have 10 more months until full retirement so I'm sticking it out, I just keeping my head down, don't volunteer for new stuff, and go home after work knowing I did the best I could that day. Keep the faith
Did you make it out okay?
What you up to these days? Did you retire already?
You nailed it dude, it feels good to not feel so alone. It's infiltrated my personality in such a negative way I'm constantly saying I'm not good enough and just man up and deal with it. But I truly think my mental health should become my priority because it's really taking its toll on me.
Been in the fire service for a couple of years now and after watching this I’ve seen many similarities in our experience. You’ve definitely woken me up to this reality, and I’m thankful for it. It’s given my wife and I good direction to pray through my career and keep the fire service held with an open hand to what God may be doing.
You'll do alright. God is always there for you and it helps a lot to have an understanding wife you can lean on in tough times. God bless you.
Takes a lot to talk to someone in private about that. Takes even more courage to post a video to the world. Been following along for a long time. Thanks for being vulnerable man & giving other guys the courage to do the same. 💪🏻
Been a cop for 14 years and I know exactly how you feel. Glad you escaped. The job traps you and it's hard to see out. This is the most real I've ever seen you and I appreciate it. Carry on and good luck on your endeavors.
Thanks for sharing Max. We need more people brave enough to share their stories like this, especially ones involving the public sector. Glad you found a way out! Remember when one door closes another one opens.
“If you’re different than anyone else there they constantly ridicule you.” I lived this for the first 15 years of my career. It took that long before it stopped. I feel this man, and commend you for getting away from it.
It’s very, “clickish”, if you are in the right click they will move heaven and earth for you and you get the good assignments. If not you’re treated as an outsider.
How did this stop after 15 years. Would you say its the officers rather than the firefighters that are the problem??
@@movingforwards2530 partly from retirements, and partly from people moving shifts and realizing I wasn’t the horrible person a few made me out to be. When someone dislikes you, then in their eyes you can do no right. They also want others to think like them. It’s a disease and too many don’t realize they got it. I just had a guy apologize to me last week for “jumping on the bandwagon” for all those years. It’s not easy but just remember to build a solid foundation from all the bricks people throw at you!
And yes, officers play a huge role in it- either by participating or by what they permit.
Yup I left corrections. 22 yrs but the new officers tend to make you feel unwelcome and they have less than 5 yrs. I couldn’t take it. Corrections is horrible now.
As a current police officer going through the EXACT same things, I felt this in my soul. My god
I’m going through the police academy rn, it’s frustrating that if anyone gets CoVid, we have to start all over from the beginning since it would shut it down for 2 weeks and our county won’t allow us to start from where we started. That’s the biggest blow to moral for me
@@FerRod2113 That sucks But it will just be a blip in your memory soon. Start Building your assets now snow so you can retire ASAP.
I hear you. I went thru two depts and bounced. Only profession I was ever in where you were penalized for being pro-active.
I don't understand how anyone can be a cop right now. Getting called all those names and being hated in the media. I've been a victim of bad cops multiple times in the city I live in. And I still understand that police is the glue that keeps our communities together and safe. So for you good cops thank you so much. I doubt you hear it that often right now. So again thank you.
Roger, that’s because your a good cop… that’s the people they target.
Maxx, I just resigned from over 7 years with my department. Thank you so much for sharing this. It's nice to know I'm not alone. Your experience has so many similarities to mine, right on down to a specific suicide call (out of many), never before experienced anxiety, feeling like I was just screwing everything up, sleep dep, stress, intimidation, etc. I have quit the firefighting biz and this transition is more difficult than I thought it would be but I got to the point that it doesn't really matter as much what the next step/career may be. Holding onto your mental health and not losing your fucking sanity is worth more than anything FD can give you. I feel first responders are especially vulnerable to be taken advantage of because we (well most) WANT to do the job. "You might be too tired to even realize the shit hand you're being given" thank you! To anyone reading this feeling they need to get out, know you aren't alone. Enough is enough.
It can be a painful and stressful deal brother, hang in there.
I got out it’ll after 4-5 years.
Holy Shit, Maxx
That was heavy man.
It's helpful to see that you, One of the most together people we see goes through stuff like us misfits.
Thanks for serving the public like that, and thanks for sharing.
love the channel, and the headband.
Proud of you Max. As a paramedic I can understand how the right people can make all the difference.
38 years as a firefighter... In the beginning and for most of my career it was the best job in the world. But it's not always the cream that rises to the top, what is your experience pretty much became the norm... Departments across the country, years ago began promoting idiots to their highest levels of incompetence, and even when administrations could see what the problems were, they would refuse to can the toxic leadership. Tenaciously holding on to the dangerous bosses and letting what were great crews suffer and eventually fail. My last 5 or 6 years were miserable. I hated the backstabbing, narcissistic, incompitence, of what was taken for "leadership" in the end. I was lucky and was able to retire. I feel sorry that you and so many other good men & women were run out by cowards that became what many of the departments are today. Thank You for your service Brother! I pray for peace for you and all those you care about. OLT
I have 15 year on the job and hate it more than ever... 100% due to ignorant, self serving, narcissistic chiefs filled with self importance and and NFG to the crews..... They are an absolute embarassment to the job and destroying any positive moral I had.
37 years in and 100 BILLION PERCENT AGREE!!!!
37 years in and 100 BILLION PERCENT AGREE!!!!@@Baneslayer
I dealt with the same thing at my first police department. Then I found my new one and everything is so much better. I had friends at an adjacent agency who actually pulled me aside one day and told me how they noticed how I was changing for the worst. First responders not only get treated terribly by society but also by their own agencies sometimes
As a veteran, EMT, turned firefighter, turned police officer.....I hear you man.
I left Las Vegas after responding to the October 1st massacre.
You gotta do what you gotta do to survive. If the dept is toxic...leave. life is short.
I’ve watched a ton of your videos. Love them all. But I didn’t realize you were in public safety. just retired from the fire service myself. there is no more brotherhood in the FD. Technology along with this snowflake mentality being instilled into these younger generations is only making it worse. You see it every time there is an FD or PD entrance exam. Used to be that cities would have to rent out the convention center because there were so many applicants. Now, a small office at city hall will do. That’s if anyone shows up!
@@texasfirefighting it's sad to hear firefighters have issues. It's obvious no one wants to be cops anymore because everyone hates cops nowadays...but I didn't realize firefighters have so much internal drama.
I know all professions have drama but I just never heard about firefighters much.
@@mixflip yes, sir. and at first, I thought it was just my FD. but then I talked to guys that I went to the fire academy with or fire service classes who all work at other departments and I’m hearing the same stories. sad but true unfortunately.
I'm a veteran turned marine border security, and I feel you. I had my application in to become a firefighter but I've come to realise that the grass isn't always greener on the other side. My plans are now to do everything I can to work for myself, start my own business and be my own boss. Working in public service you're always working for idiots and shit falls downhill.
@@steeleanderson1172 What exactly is marine border security? I’m assuming you’re not in the United States?
After 26 years in Law Enforcement I feel your pain. Every man for themselves has a new negative meaning. If I wasn't so close, I'd be gone too. Save yourself....family first!
After 24 years of construction, I feel you brother. You missed the people you work with but,sometimes your supervisors make the simplest things so hard. Congratulations on the next chapter of your life bro🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
You said everything man. Everything you said I can relate to so much. There’s many departments across the country that are exactly what you described.
I hope people who are interested in the fire service see your video first because it doesn’t get more accurate than what you said. It can be really awesome, but there’s way more bullshit to deal with than what it’s worth.
If I could go back in time and tell myself about everything the fire service really would be like, I’d be doing something else. There’s no way in hell I’d do it again. It feels like I’m too far in and don’t have any other life skills to do something else and be happier.
To everyone trying to get in, it’s not what it’s cracked up to be and it really can suck the life out of you.
So true, Brother! Even up until five or six years ago, I would tell a young man or woman considering the fire service that it’s the best job in the world. This was even as I was disheartened by what was going on in my own fire department at the time. I kept thinking it was a phase and that if we got rid of the one or two guys we considered to be a cancer on the department, the morale would improve. But fire admin didn’t get rid of them and they didn’t wash out on their own so the downward spiral continued. Ask me today and I’ll tell anyone considering the fire service to go into IT, cyber security, welding or even being a manager at Whataburger before going into public safety. The fire service (and PD for that matter) will change you and not in a good way! Your mental health is not worth it!
15 years on the job and I want out. 100% due to asshole chiefs.
Thank you for doing this. The "brotherhood" had become more like a cult. We are loosing people not to the job, but to the way the fire service has become. I think alot of us identify as firefighter and the though of leaving will leave you without an identity. Thank you for showing people what matters.
Leaving that hit me pretty hard, and still kinda does if I’m being honest.
Couldn’t have said it better
From the janitor at McDonald all the way to the CEO of Apple, people don't quit their jobs. They quit their Supervisor. You're not alone Max. I investigate child abuse. Going through the same thing. My kids and tinkering with my 4Runner is my outlet.
I have been willing to put up with all of the stress of 12 hour days and the heavy work load and hardships associated with the work. The only thing that ever made me leave any job was bad management. It's even worse when you know that the people above your managers are friendly with them and as a result allow them to get away with garbage behavior.
"From the janitor at McDonald all the way to the CEO of Apple, people don't quit their jobs. They quit their Supervisor." - Sage wisdom right there.
@@housegoth 💯 it's crazy and sad that most work environments are like that from what I'm seeing on here
I feel you man! That's my peace as well! Tinkering with my vehicles and washing them weekly. I really want to get into Overlanding and explore more. I'm hoping and waiting for the new Tundra to come out to help with that.
That old trite saying only holds true a small percentage of the time.
Don't know who you are and never seen you're videos before but was glad to stumble on this one. I am so happy to see you handle your situation in a way that turned out for the better for you. I dealt with many of the same struggles you dealt with in the fire department but failed to deal with the frustrations and emotions properly, it very nearly ruined my life (arguably did) and 17 years later I am still picking up the pieces. I applaud you for handling things the way you did and backing out when you felt it was the right thing to do because I KNOW that wasn't an easy choice taken lightly.
Serving in the Fire Service is the greatest privilege and honor. You are right about toxic leaders and they are everywhere you can possibly work. I've had horrible bosses in every job I've ever worked and awesome ones too. The key for me was getting promoted and being the change the department needed. Being part of the solution. Early on in my career as a firefighter I had thoughts of leaving too. I'm glad I didn't and I'm now 22 years in, I'm a Lieutenant, and possibly a Captain candidate soon. I learned so much about how I did not want to lead from the horrible leaders I had to listen to. It's an unfortunate reality that is prevalent whenever there is a hierarchal organizational structure.
Glad to see someone else take the initiative to be an agent of change. The early service model was “management” only and lacked true “leaders”. If you don’t like the situation you’re in, then be the person that changes it for the better. Good luck, you’ll be a Captain, you’re already a leader which is fantastic.
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@@jungleant2961 … huh?
Great that you shared you’re story. As a 27 year firefighter retiring soon, I can absolutely assure you that you are not alone and it will resonate with many across the nation in many different departments. Unfortunately too many in the first responder industry allow the job to define them. They get lost and envious when someone enjoys life. You got the key Man … Live Life 💪 Stay Strong Brother.
Semper Fi
I love the vulnerability man, that type of real talk can help a lot of people. There will always be haters and naysayers but at the end of the day you need to do what feels right. You only live one life... Don't Forget to Live. I'm looking forward for your future content
100%!!!
No double speak... Just a human being... Just human..... Absolutely fantastic
Maxx, this is spot on. Thanks for having the courage to share! People don’t realize how dark the field is… especially with how the media paints it to be, but it is so dark. I left the Fire service 2 years ago and have truly loved life as well. God has blessed me to minister to FFs, EMTs, and Medics… but the truth is a hard pill to swallow, and it’s not the same experience for everyone, but for me I LOVED being a FF/Medic (the actual job), but felt like I truly couldn’t be me and was being suffocated. You’re not alone brother!
Holy shit you couldn’t have posted this at such a better time. I’m going through the same thing…
Going through the same thing also.. praying for you buddy. Stay strong. Find friend to talk to .
@@RONIN1111 you guys got this!
Find someone to just talk about it with. If you have no one message me here and I will help you find someone. Doesn't matter if we disagree on everything in life you are important in the world.
If your ever feeling overwhelmed or pushed too far always reach out!!! Never give up!!! Please
@@badgerpa9 ❤
I've been a paramedic for almost 20 years now. You are not alone! The things you said about not being suicidal but being apathetic, angry, anxious, I felt that in my soul. It got way worse when COVID started. You have brothers out here. Police, fire, EMS, no one fights alone! My wife is the only thing that has kept me going and breathing for some time now. If you need to reach out do so!
-Charlotte NC area.
I’m proud of you for coming forward with your experience. I hope it will encourage others to speak out or make the changes that they may need before it’s too late.
I’m excited for you & Des and wish you guys the best!
In my opinion, I think it is not just the fire department, but society itself. The issues in an organization that you describe is a microcosm of what's happening now in society. The best thing is to get out and find something else. I would not have any guilt about how you handled it. I been in your situation and I can relate!
Thanks for speaking out on your experience! I’m currently in the military and this couldn’t have spoken louder to myself and the community. Glad you got away from it, enjoy your family and friends and live your life.
Me too!
This took courage, thanks for sharing. Ive been watching the channel for Tacoma purposes, and this is the content that moved me to subscribe. The web needs more of this heart talk.
You're a beautiful person, Maxx. I am so happy that you expressed all of this to us.
Our society is in the middle of a labor reckoning, where more and more people are realizing that their jobs shouldn't be their lives. ESPECIALLY when the job drains your very life force.
We are finally starting to question, in mass, the toxic social sentiment of us being "workers" rather than people.
You fuckin rock Maxx.
Hi Max. Female Fire fighter here. The department I am at is doing to me what they’ve done to you. I’m so torn and run down, I don’t know what to do. I’m good at my job and they are trying to run me out. Never did anything wrong and always do my job correctly. I am treated so horribly and they’ve made me feel like I can’t do anything about it. I’m so lost.
How are you doing lately
Why don’t you go to a different dept
Just leave the fire service period. Save your sanity.
@@hacklejmI’m out 10 months now, I moved states and have the option of going back in. And now, I don’t really care to go back anymore
I hope you’re doing well today. Sometimes the chemistry on one shift that gets along great can be infectious and before you know it, the other shifts are picking up on it and it can change the whole philosophy of the department. We had a Fire Chief that took the helm in 2017 and the first thing he told us was he was going to let the officers make the decisions for the department going forward. He used to say, “Make a decision and communicate that decision.” Our department flourished! The officers finally had a say in the direction of the department! Sadly, the chief passed away right after he was there to retire me. My point is, change can happen.
Probably one of the best content you’ve ever put out. Keep doing you brother. Don’t forget to live.
Wishing you and your family the best. You are setting an awesome example as a father. You are also showing us “grown ups “ how to be honest, sincere, strong, and vulnerable. You’ve got lots to live for with your family and friends. Stay strong. Prayers are with you guys!
Your the man Max! Sharing this makes me have even more respect for you! Stand up for what you believe in. God bless.
Honestly the fact that you couldn’t last in that environment says a lot about you. Be proud that you served and stood up for yourself. There’s a reason we’re having firefighter shortages, and it starts with toxic leadership.
18 years in the Army, I feel ya. I can’t wait to retire and put this all behind me.
I’m right behind ya, 17 years in the Army, can’t wait to retire especially with what’s happening now in Afghanistan
I’m only 7 years in and I’m the same way myself
Thank you all for your service!
Hooah..
I’m glad I realized early on that the Army is going downhill really quickly. I’m on year 4 of a 6 year contract and I’m getting out after this.
Maxx I am in my 70’s retired law enforcement. What you went through has been around since the beginning of time and will be here until the end. I encountered the same dark energy on the job , you shop around until you find a place with good energy, don’t quit looking seek and you will eventually find. Dark, evil , narcissistic people are everywhere don’t be discouraged keep searching for the good guys.With what’s coming for our country best get yourself in a civil service job PD, Fire a career with benefits you’re gonna need it down the line. Don’t quit looking for what you want, I never did and eventually found what I wanted
Be the last job I’d want in the current decline of our country. You’re working for big brother. You won’t see it, but in another 50 years, the ones who work for big brother are going to have to make some tough decisions. If at all possible stay far away from government jobs. If you have to play with guns and fight fire, join a local volunteer department, and pick up big game hunting
Glad you got therapy for it. Honestly, admitting and accepting you need help is a powerful thing. I’m starting therapy myself tomorrow for an unrelated issue.
Man, does you vid hit home..I am still in it after 32 years (as a volunteer) But I was at a career dept for 26 years and retired in 2015.
Contrary to what the public thinks, firefighters are not heroes..We mostly all fall into 2 basic categories, adrenaline junkies and narccistic assholes..I fall into the adrenaline junkie category. I ride motorcycles and race cars etc. The best firefighters are adrenaline junkies, because we are in touch with our humanity and truly have empathy for what others are going through. We take care of each other on our crews and do care about what is happening to others. But we do have the ability to detach when its over and move on after a call. Mostly because we have out outside interests to fill up our head. I have seen this job eat people alive who are overly compassionate, who can't let it go when the call is over. Now, the percentage of narccisitic assholes is staggeringly high in the profession. They love the prestige and adulation that the job brings. They are incapable of any empathy, and are pissed when they get called out because you interrupted their workout or whatever. They frequently rise to the top in many departments and they are toxic people. So..stop looking at your firefighters as heroes cause we are not. We have our reasons for being there, and the ones who love being called heroes don't deserve it and the rest of us are embarrassed by it.
Pinning this comment for it's complete and total accuracy. 👊
same for LEOs. They beat their wives and kick their dogs but have projectionist sociopathic egos. Writing tickets and never pulling a weapon to actually save people. But then again the SCOTUS said they don't have a duty to protect, right?
Very true! Still a great career though. It does require you to have a firm foundation for your mental health. Mine is my faith. It keeps me humble and puts everything in perspective at the end of the day. I’ve met a lot of really great people, and some not so great ones. Some people are narcissistic but can still be good at their job and you can still learn from them. Max, if you read this good luck man! You have a beautiful family. It seems like you were one of the good ones. Sad to see you leave the trade but I am happy for you pursuing what is important to you.
@Ken.... Reality. 🇺🇲💯👍🏻👍🏻
@@Maxx.Powell Please follow-up dude. Your video on this topic is worthy of a follow up.
You're gonna change the world for the better on this topic.
Here in California watching the whole state burn down whole egos sit in front of the camera attempting to look important while record acres go up in smoke. Sick.
Dang dude. Literally just had the same situation in my life. I only lasted a year with the company. My first time quitting a job but it was killing me and my relationship with my wife.
I took a huge chance but it’s worked out amazing so far. And I’m getting some opportunities I never thought I would ever have. But most of all my mental state is so much better now. Thank you for being strong enough to post this video. Most wouldn’t. Perhaps the new mp saying should be. “Live now” stay up brother. Those boys and des are more then enough to keep trying.
Been a firefighter for 16 years now and you hit the nail on the head about leadership. Who you work with makes the shift either amazing or a nightmare. I’ve had a couple of bad crews but been with my current department for 9 years and I’ve found my people here. Feels like a family and everything is just cohesive. Appreciate the video brother, a lot of these younger guys need to be aware of what to expect, hopefully they have better luck!
Hey sir hope you’re having a good evening as I send this comment. I’m entering the fire trainee exam in 4 months and I’m seriously invested in this line of work as a career. I have a majorly important question(for me): how’s the sleep? Over the days, weeks, years, decades. Sleep deprivation? Problems with sleep cycle/rhythm over the years? Man sleep is just so important to me, I get it is part of the job to be on call throughout the night, but damn that’s a huge self sacrifice for me. Thanks
@@matthewgarcia8968 so we work 48’s. 48 on/48 off. From 7am-4pm is what we call our work hours. Training, cleaning, busy work. After 4pm we can sleep, do whatever. Nighttime is usually our busiest time. Medicals, fires, wrecks. It’s pretty common to only get 4 hours of broken sleep each night. I make it up on my 2 off days with naps and stuff. Caffeine will become your best friend, I’m usually drinking 2 energy drinks and a cup of coffee a day just to function. Every department and station is different so you might get more sleep. It does happen sometimes where we don’t get a single call at night and my alarm clock at 6am will go off and I’m just like…I needed that! Those nights don’t happen enough!
Dude thank you so much for sharing this... as someone in their mid-20s who is a year into the emergency services career, working for a county agency, this was shockingly relatable for me. Especially the "look at us" & high school drama stuff, what you were describing with the jumping hoops and how it all takes a toll changing your mental state was something I just became conscious of about 2 months ago. This really pushed me to start reflecting and figuring out my next move. Cheers to new adventures!
What did you end up doing bro! Very curious
They say "the hardest thing you'll ever do is survive your own fire dept!" Sometimes it rings true. But for me it is the best job in the world!
I work for a state agency on the other side of the country. I thought it would be a dream job but its turned into an absolute nightmare. Congratulations on getting out with your mentality intact!
Respect your courage to make such a bold decision and to share your personal struggles publicly, it’s refreshing to see such authenticity! wishing you much success and happiness in chasing your dreams 🙏
Thank you for this! I have recently gone through this and have been through the same dark thoughts you’ve mentioned. It’s unbelievable how one person can destroy a department and negatively impact people life to the point of depression. Even after the department goes to shit they remain there instead of firing them when everything went down hill when they took over.
I'm 8 years out of escaping the exact same type of shitty, corrosive department. Be proud of the people you helped and move on to something more fulfilling.
serious question, like what?
@@bboyg1 For starters, people aren't promoted based on skill. You have guys making lieutenant that should never be allowed out of blue shirt. Instead they kissed the right ass and said what the administration wanted to hear, and surprise, surprise, they're promoted.
Guys showing up drunk for duty but getting a pass because they're politically corrected up the food chain. The same goes for gross medical errors. If you were friends with the right people, not a word was said. If not, you're fucked.
Speaking of fucking, I knew two guys on my shift alone that were banging the wives of guys on Gold & Black shift. There is no honor in the profession anymore. No brotherhood.
Oh yeah, shit, speaking of brotherhood, the IAFF is a paper tiger. They want their dues and that's it. If you get in trouble, they won't do shit for you. They send a union rep to sit there and take notes, so it looks like they're on your side. But will they actually do something? Fuck no. I watched a guy with 16 years on the job get railroaded because he had beef with the Assistant Chief. The union only pushes the term, "Brotherhood" when it's time for contract negotiations.
The fire service is nothing that it used to be. Noe it's s a toxic, heavily political organization that only protects & promotes those that play the game. And dear God, if you're a woman, thinking about getting into the fire service, think again. You'll never have to stop working harder than the men. Straight up. You will never "earn" any respect. You may be able to hold your own but you'll never be "respected".
Sounds just like the military. Some people have great careers with awesome chain of commands and leadership, while others get the shit end of the stick and there’s very little you can do about it. Stay strong man!
Same thing as at Amazon lol life is awesome if your leadership is decent people. But the majority of them are self centered pricks and you have a shitty time
It's like that in Construction Management. Been working in construction for the past 15 years.
It appears to be toxic everywhere these days. Nobody in leadership operates by the Golden Rule - do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Most leaders are infested with insolent pride and are trying to screw their fellow man to get further in life (prouder), because they don't know God (God despises the proud), don't care to know God (Isaiah 53), don't fear God (God Bless America) & don't believe they will reap what they sow (God is just = in God we trust). The world around us is one massive dumpster fire, which to me are the signs of the times described in 2 Timothy 3 and Matthew 24 before Jesus returns to clean up shop once & for all.
I'm no perfect saint, but I am grateful for God's grace through my faith in what Jesus did for me on the cross and if anyone doesn't know God, now is the time to repent & turn back to God regardless how others treat us. I don't expect things to get any better until the day Jesus returns (John 16:33). I personally would rather believe in Jesus (Isaiah 53 written in 500 BC & Psalm 22 written in 1000 BC) rather than believe we all evolved from monkeys, evolved from star dust and their is no meaningful purpose to life outside of worshiping the value of the almighty dollar (Psalm 14:1).
Same thing everywhere. Military and my current job. Good ole boys club and shit. Im at the point that Im just going to leave society. And live in the woods
The benefits, retirement, time off, and reputation of being a career Firefighter are seductive. I am glad you were able to find something new and had the strength to leave. I can relate to so much of what you went through!
Your honesty promotes positivity. Thank you. 👍
two years ago I had the idea of changing careers, at that moment I thought becoming a firefighter would be something more meaningful, and serving the community would make me happier. Thanks for sharing!
Your department was not an exception. Its nationwide and in many companies right as managers are ill equipped and not trained to handle management positions. Bravo to you for moving on and doing what you love! No regrets and you don't have to explain to anyone
Unfortunately this is becoming more and more common within the fire service. I've seen so many great firefighters walk due to the leadership, lack of support for mental health, and lack of a response or support from city/county leaders. The days of being emergency services are coming to an end. Being an all-hazards agency includes doing everyone else's job on top of your own and not getting additional staffing etc.
I was in corrections for 7 years and so many people think I was crazy to walk away from the easy 70 to 100k a year but you hit all the same points I made my choice off of its not about the money life's too short.
Literally everything you went through on your FD is what I’m dealing with currently.
Super toxic work environment, dread going to work every third day, praying I get traveled to a different house with the hope I find my people that I mesh with, etc.
Don’t know how much longer I can deal with it. Time will tell, but from the stress, anxiety, etc., that I deal with every third day, it gets old.
Appreciate your video my friend.
Thank you for speaking on this topic. I work in Law Enforcement and I feel some of these same things far too often. Thank you for voicing that these things happen and I am so glad you were able to pull yourself away from something so toxic for you.
I feel this wholeheartedly. I’m in a similar situation right now in my Fire Career. I’ve been in the fire service for 3 years now and it’s getting to the point where it really just isn’t worth the bullshit anymore. Good on you for recognizing that it wasn’t for you and moving on. I will be shortly behind you!
Godspeed!
Hope it's going well. I'm hopefully out in 6 months myself. Working on a degree right now
Life is too short to be miserable. Your job does not define you. Find happiness in another job
As a nurse I find that each shift and each department has its own different culture. I have seen places that throw you to the wolves with tons of sick patients if they don’t like you and I’ve seen places where they have a ‘we’re all in this together’ culture
Yup. Been in the fire service for 7 years. I started with the forest service. I absolutely loved it. But the pay sucked and I knew I wanted to be a medic and city firemen. So like many Californians seeking a city career I went to cal fire. I had the worse bosses I’ve ever had there and then some that were cool. One Captain making comments about my then girlfriend. Another captain told me I was to stupid to be a medic so I should just stay at cal fire.. it was wild. Luckily I used what he said and went to medic school and got a well paying city job that I love. I’ll give me admin some props. They assigned new people to shifts and crews that they think they will do well in. Other shifts in my department have some total assholes in charge that thrive on making your life miserable. Those assholes were the same types of dudes captains at cal fire. If your work place is awful then better yourself and move out. Cherish the good dudes around you.. they’re rare.
You are not alone. We are all in this together. It would seem you have stepped out a little from the physical realm and are now on a spiritual path. I too have felt like you have, in two careers. One was 20 years on actiive duty and multiple combat tours, divorced after 11 years in a marriage. What I have found is that freedom comes from living with true spirit. Those that came against you in your firefighter career have none. Hopefully those souls will follow your lead. Bravo to you for showing them this way. Everything happens for a reason. I'm truly happy that I came back to watch your channel on RUclips. I appreciate you. Thank you for what you did. Blessings from North Carolina.
Thank you for sharing this dude. I did 10 years in emergency dispatching and just hearing the things that fire and policemen had to deal with on a daily basis was brutal. It’s the same story for all the civil service jobs. Petty tyrants making the job miserable because their life is miserable. I left and went back to school at 30 for engineering because school sounded easier than dispatching (I hate school) and was the only way I saw out of that life. I’m glad you’ve found your out too and I’m praying for you and your family’s success!
Maxx, every single word you spoke about your time as a firefighter and in the army were like they were taken straight from my heart and mind. Even the dark parts. I just hit 10 years in the military yesterday, and I’ve been feeling this way for so long. Seeing somebody who I’ve been watching on here for years now go through a similar situation, and finally be able to hit that button and do what they want to do, has pushed me even closer to making the decision to separate after I finish these next 18 months of this enlistment. I always talk myself out of commenting on things online. But I wanted to say Thank You for sharing a piece of yourself, and keep doing what makes you happy, and is best for you and your family. Say hi to the PNW next time you’re out and about for me, please 🤙🏼
We’re going through the same things at my department. Veteran members are leaving because the city just doesn’t back up. I’ve got 11 years in. I don’t PLAN on leaving since I have no idea what else I’d go do at this point. But it’s a similar story nation wide man. The service is not what it was 30 years ago
Similar situation man, I pulled the ripcord and am taking a huge risk just laboring with former coworkers under the table until I find the next career, I felt the "what else would I do?" Vibes for so many years and in my experience it was just negative self-talk holding me down. I don't know you or your experience, but if you've been a worth a shit fireman for 11 years, I guarantee you are employable in MANY things.
All the mama's boys Gen Xers who didn't have a strong father figure got in, and since they act like vvomen and not men they ruined it.
I work in the film industry and can tell you that it's incredibly similar. Toxic. Toxic. Toxic. I get panic attacks. I started drinking. I just wanted to work on what I do best. Now I'm questioning everything. Thanks for opening up.
Maxx, I guarantee you half of your subs are military/city/county workers and we can all relate. Over the past few years, I’ve learned to like you as a person, which is why I am still here. We live for family and friends ( real friends). Job related brotherhoods are a thing of the past.
Former city fleet mechanic that put up with the crap for 20 years until I was injured. The pain sucks but I’m finally out of that toxic environment, not drinking every night and finally happy.
Here here!
Dude. Real talk. Hits home because dealing with similar things. Good on you man. Way to take care of yourself.
I hear ya, I've worked for a couple of departments and truly love the one i'm at, they put the members first and take care of us, both mentally and physically. Night and day difference from my last and i'm a 6 yr Army Vet. I think everything happens for a reason and I'm glad your happy and made the right choices by you and your family. I'm 10 years in and maybe one day i'll get to this point but right now i love my department. Yes i agree there is a drama but that's in every job or business you start with, just depends on how you deal with it. Myself i don't let stuff get to me and I don't care what people say, If it doesn't involve me or my people i stay out of it. My dad always told me to not stress or worry about stuff, it will work itself out with or without me, So i carry that into life with me .
I think a lot of people really FELT this video. You are definitely not alone bud and thank you for sharing.
Thanks for sharing man. Gave me some perspective. You made the right call.
dude that is the exact reason i had to get out of the army. once I realized the happiness of your life is 100% dependant upon your leadership and a bad leader has the power and will abuse it. this made me leave the army that I loved. would love to hear you talk more about this experience. Brave of you to speak out so openly
I work for a very large company that I will not name and feel the exact same way. the anxiety I get from the shady/illegal practices that me and many other people are told to do gives my anxiety a huge spike. I was in the Marine Corps and I never had to deal with leadership that was this toxic. I understand how you feel because I cannot wait to quit.
Man….your story is very touching and inspiring. It took you a lot of guts to walk away from what you thought you wanted. I’m currently taking my EMT course to become a ff but now I’m seriously reconsidering my career choice. I want my soul, I want to be myself and I already see how this career will change me. I appreciate your message man, keep making content 🎥 love your channel 💯
I honestly think it is like this in every industry and i really do push for people to “wake up” I’m in my life in a really tough spot but i luckily do have the opportunity to take a leap of faith and will always do the best for me and my family! Thanks to you and the other channels it gives me the confidence to push forward and make these radical decisions (for the best ofcourse) to be great in life!
Thats good stuff bro. I was a FF and went through a similar situation and seeing other people struggle through stull like that shit helps... keep on keeping on brother
I was a firefighter for almost 10 years and quit for the same reasons. It’s been 2 years since I left and I am still trying to figure out what I should do with my life. What I do know is that I have slowly improved on my well being and continue to work through it.
You'll figure it out! I just resigned too and trying to figure out the next phase of life. Hope all is well.
Exactly the same as me! I did 10 years and I couldn't face doing another year. My dream job turned into a nightmare. I had the naive belief that everyone would have your back, when in truth everyone would stick a knife in your back. Racism, sexism, threats of violence. A truly horrible experience that made me so depressed. When I left I felt completely lost. The kudos of being a firefighter was gone. A huge part of my identity was gone. I'm happy to have a job now where I'm really happy and appreciated. The fire service is not full of heroes, it's full of egotistical wankers
@@ScoreGuru123what is your new career?
To add one more observation... I can tell you are a kind soul... That doesn't always work well when working with narcissists who would rather chew you up and spit you out to make themselves feel stronger. I worked for a small Department of 105 on the line and was always told by my friends who worked for larger County departments that I probably would have done better with a larger department, where you are not always under the radar. I really don't think that you should give up. You are too young and still have time for a long and happy career in front of you. Either way I wish you the best with your Venue! I'm going to follow and support you.
I’m sorry you had that experience, I work as a career FF/EMT and absolutely love my job. It all depends on who you work for I was blessed with a great crew in a sold department. Glad you found something that makes you happy, being a first responder definitely isn’t for everyone.
Thanks for your video. 20+ year member of the fire service here…..to say it’s been quite a ride is a massive understatement. Appreciate your open thoughts!
Also, regarding the shifting issue w/ the Raptor. I suggest using a Cobb tuner to reprogram the TCU. It worked for my 2017 Raptor, solved all its shifting issues. 👍
Peace…
Hey man I’m in the same boat. I’m working for a company that constantly tells me “we can’t loose you, your our guy” working me into the ground while they sit in trucks on hot day or pooring rain they’ve denied me every opportunity to learn and move myself further on the company and give the same opportunities to lazier people that do advance because they don’t want to learn but they are good with management. I’m one of less then a handful of Hispanics in my company and I constantly question myself if that’s the reason because I hear remarks along those lines daily. You are not alone.
Man you have nailed what I’ve been saying and thinking for a long time. 26 year veteran here. Glad I’m done too
This was my entire experience in the Navy. I felt this in my soul. I've recently went into business for myself just to avoid these situations again as someone who strongly considered law enforcement or fire servjce but was talked out of it for these same reasons. Being a business owner has its ups and downs but at least you dont have to worry about the septic tank environments some work places have. Life is too short to deal with that.
The military rewards toxic and violent leadership with promotions and control. One of the biggest dipshits I ever met retired a general.
I agree brother business definitely has its downs but atleast it can be a little easier to be happy
Respect buddy. I've been in a similar place, and work experience.
I understand everything you've said. Something's in life are just more important than money and the job. Being happy is what matters at the end of the day. Being honest isn't always easy, let alone putting that honestly and reality on RUclips. Keep doing you, and living life on your terms.
There is always people who are willing to listen and help. Thanks for being real, and never apologize for that.
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I would love a "story time" vlog about your first fire or other stories in your fire career!
I suppose I can do that now! 🤔
My experience as a girl is so similar to yours... Makes me mad and sad, seeing all the comments, I thought it was just me... Thank you for posting this...Best of luck to you ❤️
As a former Police Officer for a very large department. I can definitely relate to everything you said. Same issues with the police, except most people don’t like the police at the end of the day
Bingo with LEOs now a days. Damned if you do damned if you don't. Hang in there!
At least police get to go home and sleep but I could never risk my life over the bs I’ve heard they respond to
Thank you for sharing your story, the hits home more than you know. It’s generally humbling to find someone who understands it. God bless brother!
Keep your head up man 👊
Do you maxx! I've learned that sometimes money isn't worth putting up with that kind of shit! Your family is number one! 🤘
As a former Deputy Sheriff, I can relate to some of the things you had gone through. Thank you for making this video. I recognize the courage it takes to make a life changing decision like this. I appreciate the honesty and wish you all the best.
As a fellow firefighter I feel you bro were all in this together we just need to talk to others 😪
Well Maxx, what you say is so true and it's not just where you live that this happens. I'm from another country in South America in a place where the entire country is a volunteer. It's not a job and you don't receive any financial support so that you can be a firefighter where you literally have to work to fulfill your dream, your desire to make a difference by helping others, like being a firefighter. The sacrifice is enormous and what helps the least is that there are people who occupy official positions just to show that they have power (because maybe at home they don't have that power). It was like that, after serving 2 fire departments, my body and mind couldn't take it anymore and the dream turned into a nightmare, so I stepped aside and began to do what I hadn't done before, which is to live for myself. No matter how much many or some say, we gave it our all and I have faith that we will be rewarded in some way. I hope you live a beautiful life full of beautiful surprises and with the best rewards that life can give you.
Dude, being just over the mountain from you and going through the same stuff hits pretty close. Much respect for making the decisions that line out you and your family.
I'm so sorry to hear the experience you had. I just started my 10th year in the Air Force and I see the leadership affects on my friends and colleagues. I was finally handed my chance to experience the same hardship over the last 2 years. I don't know how I made it through, but looking back and see how bad it was and how lucky I am now. I found your channel looking for Toyota mods and I've been a subscriber ever since. Maybe 3 years now? 4? I asked you suspension questions on Instagram and you actually took the time to respond. I hate to hear that you had so a rough time and just felt the need to let you know that I, among probably many other people, support you 100%.
Misery loves company and walking away from it takes the power away from those who drag you into it. Glad you got away and are working towards your happiness
Thanks so much for sharing this man! Great move, good life change, and keep on doing what you’re doing! Come wheeling on the east side of WA sometime soon!
They probly think they won, but YOU WON. You're doin what You love. People LOVE You and Your Family. You are helpin ppl w/your videos. THIS video is helpin! You've shown us how to find somethin other'n th' hopelessness we live in. I hated seein how miserable You were. Yes, it was visible. You do You Maxx.
Hey thanks Leon. I'm headed home from the King Of the Hammers in California. Exactly a year ago i decided i needed a break from work to clear my head and i took some leave and came out to this event. I spent the whole time considering whether or not I should quit my job, I was so conflicted, confused and depressed. But I knew what I had to do and I'm glad I did it. Now a year later. I feel like me again and I feel totally free and responsible for my own life. It's stressful, but life is so much better and my future feels much brighter. I miss the fire service. I will always be a fire fighter at heart but I've been given an incredible opportunity to do amazing things for a living and I have to go after it.