I wish to thank you for all you do to explain UpNote. It is remarkable. I've never seen such thorough and complete tutorials regarding any other app. By the way as of April 2024, I find I can select a whole row of a table with my mouse and then hit ctrl-c on my keyboard, and then paste it anywhere else in the table or outside the table , and it remains a table row. So I can copy and paste an entire row of a table, and it pastes as an entire row of a table.
Yes. I emailed the Devs about it and it and they implemented a change. They may have been working on it already but it changed about 3 weeks after I emailed. I am glad to be able to be helpful for you. Thank you for watching.
Long time Evernote "free" user, and now evaluating UpNote. Things I'm unhappy with Evernote about: 1. Limited number of devices you can sync for a reasonable price, 2. Constant nagware about paying, 3. Horrible install/upgrade that seems to want to run all the time and just gets in the way all the time, sometimes even losing my shortcuts 4. Over bloated with stuff I don't want, don't need and don't want to pay for. I've long told Evernote that if they just offered a reasonable price plan just for up to 5 devices and none of the other premium features, I'd pay that, but I'm not paying their regular subscription for the price they're offering it at for a lot of things and storage I don't need. So, now starts the UpNote experiment. In the U.S., UpNote wants $0.99/mo or $29.99 lifetime for premium. Either is a good, fair deal to me.
I agree with everything here. I'll be honest, as a former Evernote user myself, I expect there will be things you will miss, but there are other things UpNote does better. UpNote is improving as well, and more in the direction that suits me. Evernote was adding features and improving features I wouldn't really use
For your search section, you should add a section on searching embedded docs. For me I use Evernote as my virtual file cabinet. Every piece of paper I get and needs to be saved goes in Evernote - either scanned into a PDF direct into Evernote (via. ScanSnap double-sided scanner) or by embedding PDFs retrieved from the Internet (like owner’s manual) or email or web clips. The real big win for Evernote is it can search inside all of those, including finding text in PDFs.
I think Evernote works well from this perspective and I used to use it as such, on a lengthy trial basis. I found I preferred to store documents in a cloud file storage app (google drive, one drive and the like - whichever you prefer). I don't put documents into my notes app therefore and so searching inside them isn't relevant to my use. But, if you are using Evernote, then this is an option.
Please consider doing a section in the comparison on where/how data is stored in both apps. I assumed it’s stored somewhere in the “cloud” for cross platform sync. I know that for Evernote, but unsure for UpNote. And along with that what about the security of your notes and data in each of the apps. What country is it stored in? Is it stored encrypted? Is it encrypted on the synchronization links and processes?
I think a lot of apps are fairly standard for this now with a few exceptions. I don't know about Evernote but with UpNote the data stored on a Google Firebase server in the USA and is encrypted in transit and at rest. Although with UpNote you can use it without an account and store everything locally on your machine (it just won't sync to other devices). If you do not have an account then your premium purchase will only apply to the one device. It's not E2E encryption that some seem to want, but then neither is Evernote.
Well after I found out there is no drawing, voice, email to note, or even reminders, I asked for a refund and got it. The developer informed me these features will never be considered or implemented.
Personally I have never seen a need for OCR. I understand that other people do and that's fine. I've never used it and the times I have tested it in other apps, the only one that was any good was Google keep.
Hi, I really like your videos, but this comparison is flawed. Sorry to say that. If you just weigh your main criteria (Capture, Edit & Format, Organisation, Retrieval) evenly, as you should IMHO, Evernote (EN) already wins by a hair. It shouldn't matter how many sub-criteria you can come up with for each main criterion. Plus, you view these applications strictly from a notetaking perspective. However, to many people (me included), EN is mainly a web content extraction tool and a collection of web pages and snippets that I can edit and annotate as I wish. From that perspective, EN with its vastly superior web clipper wins by a mile. UpNote's web clipper is a sick joke in comparison. I actually bought a lifetime suscripton of UpNote, just because it was cheap, and I'd like to watch where this application is going. But an alternative for EN it is not (for my purposes). For actual notetaking, I personally prefer other tools anyway.
Hi - thanks for your comments here. I really appreciate them. I tried to be clear in the video that this was an exercise I did for myself back in December last year and I decided to make a video about it. I totally agree that everyone's criteria, and the relative importance of those criteria, will be different. For that reason, this video probably says more about me than about UpNote and Evernote! I totally agree with you on the web clipper front - but I hardly ever used Evernote's clipper and I never use UpNote's clipper so that doesn't factor that highly for me. Just seen your other comment as well and more advance search in UpNote would be an excellent feature. UpNote has a lot of issues, but it is still quite a young app and so I remain hopeful that they will be resolved. We will see. What do you use for actual notetaking?
@effectivefaith Now, that's a difficult question, which requires a long & convoluted answer. For me, there are two types of notes. The first type are part of traditional PIM (think Lotus Organizer, Claris Organizer, or Outlook as a standalone application) data, like my calendar, address book or to-do list. I regard all this stuff as strictly personal and confidential, and it has absolutely no business being on someone else's "cloud". Which is all the more true for certain professions and some related information, btw. Back in the golden days of the PDA (like Palm Pilot, Psion or Pocket PC) and into the era of pre-iPhone smartphones (like Palm Treo, basically PDAs that could also do phone calls), PIM data could be made 'mobile' via local sync (serial or USB) between your desktop PIM and your PDA. No privacy issues here. Unfortunately, local sync has largely been deprecated and replaced by "cloud sync" as a service (which is typically sold as a subscription). To my knowledge, there is no local sync for iPhones for notes & reminders (to-dos). The same applies to Android. There are some niche applications that do allow it, but I don't know them well. Setting up your own sync solution requires a convoluted DynDNS/WebDAV/CalDAV/etc setup that is a lot of work to set up and may or may not work reliably. Not for me for now. All this is just a rough outline of what could be a lengthy discussion in itself. So I resort to using the file system and plain text files on my PC for longer notes, while using a small, free (local) app called CintaNotes or MyPhoneExplorer, a free, very basic local PIM (historically primarily a sync app for phones that actually COULD sync to an Android phone, which I don't have) for core PIM data. While remembering my Palm PDA 'desktop companion' with nostalgia. The second type is more general research stuff and miscellania, which largely comes from the web, books, snippets from journals or newspapers, or several kinds of own thinking. This is less sensitive material (most of which already exists in the open) and can go into something like Evernote (or UpNote, if it weren't for its flaws).
@@bobsmith4572 This is interesting. I imported a lot of files from Evernote and it was pretty much seamless. I did organise it in Evernote a bit first and exported about 20 different ENEX files to make importing and organising in UpNote easier. But I imported thousands of notes with no problems apart from the content that UpNote doesn't support (like EN Tasks)
I just noticed that UpNote's export function (HTML, MD) is broken. While images are exported into a "files" directory, the links to the images in the notes are totally weird and invalid. I'd presume the same is true for other linked files. I'll report this to UpNote's support, but that was it AFAIC. No good way in (abysmal web clipper) and now no real way out (broken export), not an app you could count on. I'll keep an eye on it for the future, though. BTW, Joplin's web clipper seems to be quite a bit better.
I haven't had a problem with this when I have exported to be honest. The only issue is that with MD exports the link to the file obviously only works if the file is not moved and if the app you are using can access the location of the file.
A quick update (b/c I just happened to come across this thread again): It seems my initial observations were wrong, and export generally works. However, there is a weird problem with the sample notes included in Upnote which indeed don't export images correctly.
@@effectivefaith If you have made MD documents on GIT you have come across the format. It is a method of typing in text and making it look nice. Although Typora makes it easy. It is like Notepad, but souped up if you know what I mean. You can have a folder heirachy on the left. It is simple and works for me
I wish to thank you for all you do to explain UpNote. It is remarkable. I've never seen such thorough and complete tutorials regarding any other app. By the way as of April 2024, I find I can select a whole row of a table with my mouse and then hit ctrl-c on my keyboard, and then paste it anywhere else in the table or outside the table , and it remains a table row. So I can copy and paste an entire row of a table, and it pastes as an entire row of a table.
Yes. I emailed the Devs about it and it and they implemented a change. They may have been working on it already but it changed about 3 weeks after I emailed.
I am glad to be able to be helpful for you.
Thank you for watching.
Long time Evernote "free" user, and now evaluating UpNote. Things I'm unhappy with Evernote about: 1. Limited number of devices you can sync for a reasonable price, 2. Constant nagware about paying, 3. Horrible install/upgrade that seems to want to run all the time and just gets in the way all the time, sometimes even losing my shortcuts 4. Over bloated with stuff I don't want, don't need and don't want to pay for. I've long told Evernote that if they just offered a reasonable price plan just for up to 5 devices and none of the other premium features, I'd pay that, but I'm not paying their regular subscription for the price they're offering it at for a lot of things and storage I don't need. So, now starts the UpNote experiment. In the U.S., UpNote wants $0.99/mo or $29.99 lifetime for premium. Either is a good, fair deal to me.
I agree with everything here. I'll be honest, as a former Evernote user myself, I expect there will be things you will miss, but there are other things UpNote does better. UpNote is improving as well, and more in the direction that suits me. Evernote was adding features and improving features I wouldn't really use
Nicely done! I also find UpNote to be much faster than Evernote (the last time I used Evernote was back in Jan ‘23).
Yes, you are right. UpNote is lightning fast. I haven't used Evernote yet this year so I am not really sure.
Yes, you are right. UpNote is lightning fast. I haven't used Evernote yet this year so I am not really sure.
For your search section, you should add a section on searching embedded docs. For me I use Evernote as my virtual file cabinet. Every piece of paper I get and needs to be saved goes in Evernote - either scanned into a PDF direct into Evernote (via. ScanSnap double-sided scanner) or by embedding PDFs retrieved from the Internet (like owner’s manual) or email or web clips. The real big win for Evernote is it can search inside all of those, including finding text in PDFs.
I think Evernote works well from this perspective and I used to use it as such, on a lengthy trial basis. I found I preferred to store documents in a cloud file storage app (google drive, one drive and the like - whichever you prefer). I don't put documents into my notes app therefore and so searching inside them isn't relevant to my use. But, if you are using Evernote, then this is an option.
Your notetaking journey is so very similar to mine - boiuncing in and a out of Evernote until Upnote
I found upnote and couldn't believe I'd not known about it before
Please consider doing a section in the comparison on where/how data is stored in both apps. I assumed it’s stored somewhere in the “cloud” for cross platform sync. I know that for Evernote, but unsure for UpNote. And along with that what about the security of your notes and data in each of the apps. What country is it stored in? Is it stored encrypted? Is it encrypted on the synchronization links and processes?
I think a lot of apps are fairly standard for this now with a few exceptions. I don't know about Evernote but with UpNote the data stored on a Google Firebase server in the USA and is encrypted in transit and at rest. Although with UpNote you can use it without an account and store everything locally on your machine (it just won't sync to other devices). If you do not have an account then your premium purchase will only apply to the one device.
It's not E2E encryption that some seem to want, but then neither is Evernote.
You must be too young to remember Tornado and InfoSelect. (no disrespect intended)
I do not remember those
Oh my INFOSELECT what a blast from the past. I haven’t even thought of that in forever.
Searching it (rudimentary today) felt like magic at the time
My affection for InfoSelect was almost forgotten until you mentioned it. Thanks!
InfoSelect actually worked. Evernote has become a buggy bloated pile of junk. The web clipper no longer works in both Windows and iOS. I’m done.
Well after I found out there is no drawing, voice, email to note, or even reminders, I asked for a refund and got it. The developer informed me these features will never be considered or implemented.
Fair enough. Those aren't things I will ever need or use in a notes app.
Thank you. You nailed it my friend. Loved your delivery of explanation.
Glad it was helpful!
I wish Evernote had a lifetime option too
Yes, although extrapolating from experience of other apps it would be about £700-£1000.
Also, Evernote is ugly and Upnote is quite sleek.
Totally agree
No OCR within. PDFS and images? Show stopper.
Personally I have never seen a need for OCR. I understand that other people do and that's fine. I've never used it and the times I have tested it in other apps, the only one that was any good was Google keep.
Hi, I really like your videos, but this comparison is flawed. Sorry to say that.
If you just weigh your main criteria (Capture, Edit & Format, Organisation, Retrieval) evenly, as you should IMHO, Evernote (EN) already wins by a hair. It shouldn't matter how many sub-criteria you can come up with for each main criterion.
Plus, you view these applications strictly from a notetaking perspective. However, to many people (me included), EN is mainly a web content extraction tool and a collection of web pages and snippets that I can edit and annotate as I wish. From that perspective, EN with its vastly superior web clipper wins by a mile. UpNote's web clipper is a sick joke in comparison.
I actually bought a lifetime suscripton of UpNote, just because it was cheap, and I'd like to watch where this application is going. But an alternative for EN it is not (for my purposes). For actual notetaking, I personally prefer other tools anyway.
Oh, and UpNote desperately needs Boolean search (which EN has in it top tier). And auto-completion for tags in the search field.
Hi - thanks for your comments here. I really appreciate them.
I tried to be clear in the video that this was an exercise I did for myself back in December last year and I decided to make a video about it. I totally agree that everyone's criteria, and the relative importance of those criteria, will be different. For that reason, this video probably says more about me than about UpNote and Evernote!
I totally agree with you on the web clipper front - but I hardly ever used Evernote's clipper and I never use UpNote's clipper so that doesn't factor that highly for me. Just seen your other comment as well and more advance search in UpNote would be an excellent feature.
UpNote has a lot of issues, but it is still quite a young app and so I remain hopeful that they will be resolved.
We will see.
What do you use for actual notetaking?
@effectivefaith Now, that's a difficult question, which requires a long & convoluted answer.
For me, there are two types of notes. The first type are part of traditional PIM (think Lotus Organizer, Claris Organizer, or Outlook as a standalone application) data, like my calendar, address book or to-do list. I regard all this stuff as strictly personal and confidential, and it has absolutely no business being on someone else's "cloud". Which is all the more true for certain professions and some related information, btw.
Back in the golden days of the PDA (like Palm Pilot, Psion or Pocket PC) and into the era of pre-iPhone smartphones (like Palm Treo, basically PDAs that could also do phone calls), PIM data could be made 'mobile' via local sync (serial or USB) between your desktop PIM and your PDA. No privacy issues here.
Unfortunately, local sync has largely been deprecated and replaced by "cloud sync" as a service (which is typically sold as a subscription). To my knowledge, there is no local sync for iPhones for notes & reminders (to-dos). The same applies to Android. There are some niche applications that do allow it, but I don't know them well. Setting up your own sync solution requires a convoluted DynDNS/WebDAV/CalDAV/etc setup that is a lot of work to set up and may or may not work reliably. Not for me for now. All this is just a rough outline of what could be a lengthy discussion in itself.
So I resort to using the file system and plain text files on my PC for longer notes, while using a small, free (local) app called CintaNotes or MyPhoneExplorer, a free, very basic local PIM (historically primarily a sync app for phones that actually COULD sync to an Android phone, which I don't have) for core PIM data. While remembering my Palm PDA 'desktop companion' with nostalgia.
The second type is more general research stuff and miscellania, which largely comes from the web, books, snippets from journals or newspapers, or several kinds of own thinking. This is less sensitive material (most of which already exists in the open) and can go into something like Evernote (or UpNote, if it weren't for its flaws).
I've experienced nothing but extensive problems importing from Evernote and their support didn't seem to care when I asked why and sent them files.
@@bobsmith4572 This is interesting. I imported a lot of files from Evernote and it was pretty much seamless. I did organise it in Evernote a bit first and exported about 20 different ENEX files to make importing and organising in UpNote easier. But I imported thousands of notes with no problems apart from the content that UpNote doesn't support (like EN Tasks)
I just noticed that UpNote's export function (HTML, MD) is broken. While images are exported into a "files" directory, the links to the images in the notes are totally weird and invalid. I'd presume the same is true for other linked files. I'll report this to UpNote's support, but that was it AFAIC. No good way in (abysmal web clipper) and now no real way out (broken export), not an app you could count on. I'll keep an eye on it for the future, though. BTW, Joplin's web clipper seems to be quite a bit better.
I haven't had a problem with this when I have exported to be honest. The only issue is that with MD exports the link to the file obviously only works if the file is not moved and if the app you are using can access the location of the file.
A quick update (b/c I just happened to come across this thread again): It seems my initial observations were wrong, and export generally works. However, there is a weird problem with the sample notes included in Upnote which indeed don't export images correctly.
That seems to be an oversight. I suspect many who test this will just use the sample notes and so they should sort this.
AND WEB CLIPPER IN UPNOTE???
It has a web clipper. It needs a little work but generally it is serviceable.
I use Typora and save in dropbox.
I've not come across Typora before - what is it like?
@@effectivefaith If you have made MD documents on GIT you have come across the format. It is a method of typing in text and making it look nice. Although Typora makes it easy. It is like Notepad, but souped up if you know what I mean. You can have a folder heirachy on the left. It is simple and works for me
Actually that sounds really familiar. Maybe I did try it once. Actually, simple is 90% of the time better.