I just went through the whole series for the first time a few months ago. The Vickers character isn’t awful, but the timing of it is. At the ending of the song, I was like “You have 7 seasons with all these great characters and a great moment and you shoehorn Will Ferrell in there?”
I've always thought that promoting Jim would've made the most sense. He had experience as co-manager and at this point of the show, he was more ambitious and wanted to advance himself. This could've reignited the conflict between him and Dwight and if the writer's felt inclined, they could've added a new character to be Jim's replacement as a salesman. I think this could've led nicely into Jim's conflict with wanting to chase his dream (the AthLete arc) but feeling the pressure to stay in his stable manager position for the sake of his family. You could take that scene in which David Wallace talks to Jim about Dwight near the end of the series and make it Jim telling Wallace his intent to leave to pursue other endeavors and recommend Dwight to take his place. This would tie into the improvements to their relationship we saw take place as the series drew to a close. It also (and perhaps most importantly) gotten rid of Andy as manager and all the flux that occurred with that
They wanted Andy as manager because it was safe. He’s basically the same, dumb, insecure, desperate to be liked character as Michael, and it didn’t hurt that Ed Helms was easily the most bankable star left on the show. I can definitely see why they went with Andy, but it’s easily the least interesting thing they could have done.
@@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 Andy is not the same character as Michael at all. Andy as he is written earlier in the show is obnoxious, competitive, self-entitled and manipulative. They completely change the character around when he get the manager role in order to shoehorn him in as Michael Scott 2.0 and it just feels really off and bad imo when you actually pay attention to who the character was before.
I 100% agree with your ending statement. Watching the show again it's so apparent the shift in tone and writing for the show the second Micheal leaves. They definitely had something going with the season 7 finale, giving them a lot of room to decide what to do for season 8, it's just unfortunate it didn't turn out just as well as it could of, but it's understandable that choosing the direction the Office was going to go in would be a huge undertaking
Thank you Chris for all the videos over the years! So happy to see these videos every week that you put so much work into. Have a Merry Christmas and here’s to Goodbye Michael 🍺
I thought the minute count was how many actual minutes of life since he joined, not the number of minutes he spent in the office. If you take that into consideration, the number of minutes adds up.
I agree. His juggling scene is hilarious, he pads up the run time (but doesn’t ruin the episodes), he’s got some good lines and doesn’t overstay his welcome.
Fun Fact: It was Nick DiPaolo who gave Seinfeld the punchline of you'd rather be in the casket than be giving the eulogy. Seinfeld had a different punchline when he was working on that joke but it was the same set up and Nick was working at the same club one night and gave that line to him and Jerry instantly said "Yes. That is it."
I agree with you about Deangelo and Will Ferrell. I think if there had been a fan poll to choose the next manager,Dwight would have been chosen. Episodes would have become increasingly absurd and they would have lost viewers. Although I actually like Andy as manager,you’re idea of having no manager at all is a really interesting idea.
I have always want Daryl to have gotten the manager position. I feel like there would have been a lot for the writers to work with. He could have slowly realised the job was hard, while gaining sympathy and respect for Michael. Jim and Dwight could have been his sounding boards, it think it would have worked. Tying to put Ed Helm's into a Steve Carell mold was just too much of an ask. I feel for him. He seems like nice guy who's character got messed with too much. Andy does have some of my favorite lines (quotes) from the show, he made me get watery eyes more than once, but I don't feel like the Nard dog was anyone's favorite. I can't judge though...I adore Pam, she's the rock of the office. I know I'm in the minority, it's fine.
I understand that DeAngelo was always meant to be temporary and I would argue that he’s supposed to be written as not quite a good fit given his temporary-ness, and I’m actually ok with what they do with the character for this mini arc, but he probably got a litttle too much screen time in this one. I still really really enjoy this episode
Now that I'm thinking about it, John C. Reily would have been a good fit or trust me The Short Guy that hung out with Ryan in New York. He was almost a dwarf and Dwight thought he was a Hobit or a midevil warlord of sorts, with special powers.
From my memory, every dundee episode prior they have been stressed out. Perhaps eluding to the fact that he has actually done this every year. Its so cringe when you think of it
Also add in the fact that NOBODY is happy that they get to go to this thing and thats also with them getting off early. Michael normally closes the branch early for the dumbest stuff. I don't see why thus wouldn't be another reason
Hey Mulverine, I've been meaning to get my friend into The Office, and I was just wondering: What episode would work best as an introduction to the series for a newcomer? I don't want it to be anything from season 1, since that's pretty disconnected from the rest of the show tone-wise and IMO doesn't do a good job at representing it. I thought of Stress Relief, but I would much rather prefer an episode that doesn't spoil Jim and Pam's relationship, something that would then be built up for 5 seasons after they start watching the series for real. Thoughts?
Honestly any person that would get through season 1 can watch the office. It does set up the show well and I grit my teeth through it and I've watched it probably more than 20 times as a whole series. They've gotta get through the season
Mulverine himself said that his first episode was Beach Games, and that it provided a great and funny window into everyone’s character and plot(stated in his Beach Games Field Guide). My personal recommendation would be to start with season two, episode one or episode two. Season one is just… so rough to get through and honestly doesn’t encourage further watching imo.
Idk why, but I really hate will Ferrell. Not cause of the Office, but because I have NEVER liked him in anything except Ricky Bobby! Lol if you ain't First, You're Last!
Such a mixed bag. Vickers still sucks, Toby's nom is too mean and complacent by this point and the Dwight drama feels contrived. Some of the noms, the cold open and the song are just amazing, exactly what you want from this kind of show and timeframe. It's not Troy's good bye but its fine.
I never, EVER do this, but this is the one time it seemed fitting: I enjoyed the "9,986,000 minutes" song so much that I made a fan edit . ruclips.net/video/pKTHfttrEXQ/видео.html.
I just went through the whole series for the first time a few months ago. The Vickers character isn’t awful, but the timing of it is. At the ending of the song, I was like “You have 7 seasons with all these great characters and a great moment and you shoehorn Will Ferrell in there?”
The Vickers character is awful…
Nah Will's characters is one of the worst
I've always thought that promoting Jim would've made the most sense. He had experience as co-manager and at this point of the show, he was more ambitious and wanted to advance himself. This could've reignited the conflict between him and Dwight and if the writer's felt inclined, they could've added a new character to be Jim's replacement as a salesman. I think this could've led nicely into Jim's conflict with wanting to chase his dream (the AthLete arc) but feeling the pressure to stay in his stable manager position for the sake of his family. You could take that scene in which David Wallace talks to Jim about Dwight near the end of the series and make it Jim telling Wallace his intent to leave to pursue other endeavors and recommend Dwight to take his place. This would tie into the improvements to their relationship we saw take place as the series drew to a close. It also (and perhaps most importantly) gotten rid of Andy as manager and all the flux that occurred with that
They wanted Andy as manager because it was safe. He’s basically the same, dumb, insecure, desperate to be liked character as Michael, and it didn’t hurt that Ed Helms was easily the most bankable star left on the show. I can definitely see why they went with Andy, but it’s easily the least interesting thing they could have done.
i recall athLEAD and athLEAP
@@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 Andy is not the same character as Michael at all. Andy as he is written earlier in the show is obnoxious, competitive, self-entitled and manipulative. They completely change the character around when he get the manager role in order to shoehorn him in as Michael Scott 2.0 and it just feels really off and bad imo when you actually pay attention to who the character was before.
Solid pitch. Athlead could've worked in that context more honestly. And it wouldn't have screwed up the dynamics as badly as Season 9 did.
Dangelos invisible juggling balls bit was top tier will ferrell!
A new Office review on Christmas? It's like getting a present lol
I 100% agree with your ending statement. Watching the show again it's so apparent the shift in tone and writing for the show the second Micheal leaves. They definitely had something going with the season 7 finale, giving them a lot of room to decide what to do for season 8, it's just unfortunate it didn't turn out just as well as it could of, but it's understandable that choosing the direction the Office was going to go in would be a huge undertaking
Maybe I am an annex person like Clark or Plop, but I’ve been waiting for your review. Thank you Chris. Great job as usual!
Thank you Chris for all the videos over the years! So happy to see these videos every week that you put so much work into. Have a Merry Christmas and here’s to Goodbye Michael 🍺
I thought the minute count was how many actual minutes of life since he joined, not the number of minutes he spent in the office. If you take that into consideration, the number of minutes adds up.
Happy Holidays! My wife gave me a Michael Scott Funko pop Christmas 🎄 ornament this morning!
That is awesome! I got a 12 pack of office socks
I got 4 office funkos and socks! Yay! Merry Christmas!!!
Unpopular opinion but I love Deangelo and knowing he is just temporary makes me able to enjoy his presence.
I agree. His juggling scene is hilarious, he pads up the run time (but doesn’t ruin the episodes), he’s got some good lines and doesn’t overstay his welcome.
This is amazing. Thank you!
You forgot when Andy dressed up like Dwight
Merry Christmas Mulverine!
Same to you!
One of the best episodes of The Office. I have always said, not having an annual Dundies episode was one of the series biggest missuses!
Fun Fact: It was Nick DiPaolo who gave Seinfeld the punchline of you'd rather be in the casket than be giving the eulogy. Seinfeld had a different punchline when he was working on that joke but it was the same set up and Nick was working at the same club one night and gave that line to him and Jerry instantly said "Yes. That is it."
I agree with you about Deangelo and Will Ferrell.
I think if there had been a fan poll to choose the next manager,Dwight would have been chosen. Episodes would have become increasingly absurd and they would have lost viewers.
Although I actually like Andy as manager,you’re idea of having no manager at all is a really interesting idea.
I have always want Daryl to have gotten the manager position. I feel like there would have been a lot for the writers to work with. He could have slowly realised the job was hard, while gaining sympathy and respect for Michael. Jim and Dwight could have been his sounding boards, it think it would have worked. Tying to put Ed Helm's into a Steve Carell mold was just too much of an ask. I feel for him. He seems like nice guy who's character got messed with too much. Andy does have some of my favorite lines (quotes) from the show, he made me get watery eyes more than once, but I don't feel like the Nard dog was anyone's favorite. I can't judge though...I adore Pam, she's the rock of the office. I know I'm in the minority, it's fine.
Anyone rewatching this 2024? Love it.
This one isnt on the Season 7 List, Mulvy. Thanks for the content.
Thanks!!!
When can we expect Seinfeld Field Guide? Seinfield Guide?
An upturned broom with a bucket for a head would have been better than DiAngelo, California and Bernard combined.
I understand that DeAngelo was always meant to be temporary and I would argue that he’s supposed to be written as not quite a good fit given his temporary-ness, and I’m actually ok with what they do with the character for this mini arc, but he probably got a litttle too much screen time in this one. I still really really enjoy this episode
Now that I'm thinking about it, John C. Reily would have been a good fit or trust me The Short Guy that hung out with Ryan in New York. He was almost a dwarf and Dwight thought he was a Hobit or a midevil warlord of sorts, with special powers.
From my memory, every dundee episode prior they have been stressed out. Perhaps eluding to the fact that he has actually done this every year. Its so cringe when you think of it
Also add in the fact that NOBODY is happy that they get to go to this thing and thats also with them getting off early. Michael normally closes the branch early for the dumbest stuff. I don't see why thus wouldn't be another reason
Definitely a 5. Adore Steve Carell
Andy being picked manager from the start would explain why he started to act like Michael
D'Angelo is still the best boss behind Michael. Dwight is a close number 3
PS: Creed should have become the new boss by default after corporate fails to find a true replacement. Boss Creed was amazing in that one episode.
Do you happen to know why the 9986 number was used again in IASIP for the arbitration price in Hero or hate crime?
Hey Mulverine, I've been meaning to get my friend into The Office, and I was just wondering: What episode would work best as an introduction to the series for a newcomer? I don't want it to be anything from season 1, since that's pretty disconnected from the rest of the show tone-wise and IMO doesn't do a good job at representing it. I thought of Stress Relief, but I would much rather prefer an episode that doesn't spoil Jim and Pam's relationship, something that would then be built up for 5 seasons after they start watching the series for real. Thoughts?
Honestly any person that would get through season 1 can watch the office. It does set up the show well and I grit my teeth through it and I've watched it probably more than 20 times as a whole series. They've gotta get through the season
So season 1 episode 1
Mulverine himself said that his first episode was Beach Games, and that it provided a great and funny window into everyone’s character and plot(stated in his Beach Games Field Guide). My personal recommendation would be to start with season two, episode one or episode two. Season one is just… so rough to get through and honestly doesn’t encourage further watching imo.
Idk why, but I really hate will Ferrell. Not cause of the Office, but because I have NEVER liked him in anything except Ricky Bobby! Lol if you ain't First, You're Last!
Such a mixed bag. Vickers still sucks, Toby's nom is too mean and complacent by this point and the Dwight drama feels contrived. Some of the noms, the cold open and the song are just amazing, exactly what you want from this kind of show and timeframe. It's not Troy's good bye but its fine.
im rewatching the series along with field guides and i dont like the next episode im about to have to watch
I never, EVER do this, but this is the one time it seemed fitting: I enjoyed the "9,986,000 minutes" song so much that I made a fan edit . ruclips.net/video/pKTHfttrEXQ/видео.html.