Id argue that the trip to Tallahassee is important to the growth of Jim and Dwight's friendship which, in my opinion, is one of the few highlights of the last two seasons.
I think the reason why the Office was so good in the time with Carell was that these were ordinary situations with mostly normal people, and then Michael, this chaotic force of nature at the core, driving everything up to 11 and Dwight at his beck and call. After Michael left, Dwight seemed to lose the things that made him special, and everyone else was turned up to 11, to the point where even Jim seemed to have dissociated from reality
It's simple. It stopped being believable. Before he left, the vast majority of episodes provided a feeling like this could be a real place. But then the writing just veered so significantly into the unrealistic direction that it just wasn't believable anymore and wasn't the show that I fell in love with anymore. I mean, shooting Stanley with bull tranquilizer, just giving one example. That would have never happened the first several seasons.
My least favorite episode is when the warehouse worker draws butts on Pam’s mural. It’s so dumb lol. And it introduces the stupid side-plot with the boom mic guy.
Boom mic guy's first appearance was the worst in my opinion. Season 9 had been pretty terrible, but Jim and Pam's fight over the phone worked so well. It drew the episode to a close with heart. It wasn't over-the-top or melodramatic, but felt real and really hit you. It was one of if not the best endings to an episode in the whole series. ...and then Brian the boom mic guy comes in and ruins the entire moment. It went from real, authentic drama to schlock. Whoever was directing it should have called cut with Pam crying and ended the scene there. Whoever edited it should have cut out any interference by boom mic guy and relegated it to the deleted scenes where we'd all just cringe and then laugh about hoe bad they almost screwed it up lol It was the worst...
@@KingJake-om7yq Fair enough, but being married to an attractive man of six feet, three inches, I know how annoying it is to know every woman wants him... 😬
And it's just a badly written episode/arc. If they wanted some "Jim might do this.." tension, then Kathy should have made some emotional connection to Jim, even if it were innocent co-worker/Jim being kind sort of stuff. Then she could have been the confidant to talk to when things are rough with Pam. Instead she's just kind of obnoxious and really obvious.
The showrunners and cast talked a big game about how the show wasn't Michael. But I think they were motivated by the careers and jobs of the cast and hundreds of production staff. A great motivation. But it led them to say or believe ridiculous nonsense that Michael wasn't the heart and soul of the show. This is why, afterward, the show feels so listless, thin, and dull. They try just crazy stuff, but it feels like desperation or aimless wandering, not the purposeful, thoughtful, sophisticated writing of earlier seasons.
The show started being slightly worse after "Niagara". The golden age was from "The Dundies" till that episode. I'd call the period between "Niagara" and "Goodbye Michael" a silver age.
Actually, the episode 8x23 "Turf War" is in my top 5 all-time favorite episodes of the whole show. I think that's a fantastic one. Lloyd Gross is just amazing.
Turf War has my favorite Robert California quote!!! "Can everyone just, please... I had a one-man saturnalia last night, in celebration of the finalization of my divorce. I got into a case of Australian reds, and - how should I say this - Columbian whites. What - what is this about, uh, Binghamton?"
I really like that Jim and Pam have a rough spot. It gives their lives more meaning and makes it seem less fairytale and more realistic. After all you can't be truly happy unless you've been truly unhappy. The fact they get through it and become stronger for it just shows how great this subplot is
The episodes I have a problem with during the Carell era were Scott’s Tots (cringey) and Dwight’s Speech… post Carell the show “jumped the shark” and never really filled the void Carell left… how he never received an Emmy for the show is ridiculous.
Scotts tots is so good because it's cringey😂 It made me laugh so much that I will never forget. The cringe comedy of this show is the reason I loved this show since s1. Others hate s1 but I love it.
In my view, while Seasons 8 and 9 were shaky at times, they are generally pretty good, and probably much better than most people give them credit for. The show definitely gets worse, but I would also definitely say it’s worth watching all the way through. It doesn’t decline anywhere near as badly as Community did in Season 4, where almost everything you can skip. I also think that the decline kind of already began in Season 5 when Greg Daniels was replaced by Paul Liberstein (Toby BTW) as showrunner. To me, Seasons 2-4 are the golden age of The Office, then 5-7 are a little below that as the Silver Age, then 8 and 9 are the Bronze Age, not as good, but still decent television. (Season 1 is actually by far my least favorite season, sort of like a crappy prototype Office).
Other than the fact that i haven’t watched Community, i am absolutely on YOUR page! I have to force myself to watch ANY of S1, with E1 being my least favorite of the entire series. & also, other than the focus on Andy (and or Erin, cuz i can’t stand them), post-Carrell is pretty damn good imo.
My favorite season is 5. I thought it started to dip in six. I am an OG Office fan. I found out about the show due to Carrell being in the 40 Year Old Virgin.
The episode I hate most is when Dwight and Andy thought the insurance salesman was Mafia. Every regular character was beyond stupid in that particular episode. The character who also had inconsistencies big time was Kevin . Why that character was written the way he was in certain episodes made me feel like he was neglected in the writing. I also agree with you on the points you made on Andy. One more thing. Erin. That infuriated me on how much the kept dumbing her down. No growth at all, which made it puzzling when she’d occasionally make an intelligent statement. Ok… rant over for now! Thanks for your video! Great work!
I don't think The Office was very good after Michael left. But it isn't just because Michael left. The Office had a lot of good characters and storylines they could have worked with. There could have been some great stories focusing on any number of characters. Something just fell apart in Season 8, and I just can't put my finger on it. And then Season 9 went completely off the rails until the last handful of episodes when it admittedly ended strongly. Maybe too much emphasis was put on Jim and Pam when their story had peaked (followed by a marital troubles arc no one wanted to see). Maybe there were too many attempts at incorporating the rest of the cast into the storyline without developing them first. Why did it feel like we knew *less* about Kevin, Phyllis, and Stanley than in earlier seasons when that's not even possible? It wa slike having NOCs try to carry the stories. Or maybe they just ran out of ideas, which is why things just got so bizarre.
I think they resorted to Jim/Pam as those were the most popular characters after Michael. Except their story had really run its course. The most devastating disaster for the show was an inability even try to have a Michael-type boss as manager. This isn't their fault, as Ed Helms had to shoot the Hangover. How prophetic was the the post-Michael show with a revolving door o' bosses (Deangelo, Dwight, Creed.. Andy), leading to the show never having a consistent boss ever again. Helms/Andy could have been great. But a The Office without ANY manager or anyone in that role? Absolute disaster, that even TV's funniest writers couldn't fix.
@@JulieBarbara It is hard to watch. But there's good stuff in there. One thing is that it's important for Michael's growth to confront the consequences of his bad behavior. Before the end, Michael makes a truly genuine and unselfish (real) sacrifice of paying for one student's books. That moment is really what the episode is about. Plus some good character dev with Erin.
Started watching The Office through RUclips and the clips I found the most funny and interesting were the ones that had Michael in them. By the time I streamed full seasons to watch most comment sections had convinced me that after Michael's departure there was really no point in watching. I've rewatched it 3 times now from season 1 through 7 and have still never watched an episode from season 8 or 9 just the occasional RUclips clip
I thought Christening was so fucking weird and stupid. It emphasized that Jim & Pam really were absolutely perfect in every conceivable way with each other, from their ultimate compatibility with each other aaaall the way to their lifestyle compatibility, both wanting kids, both wanting to baptize their kids, etc. It just bugged me, on top of not being a funny or interesting episode.
The series 8 and 9 are not great, they had a lot of things to figure out, a whole lot of void to fill in for Steve, which is impossible. But that meant they tried Robert California, Deangelo Vickers, Nellie Bertram, Andy Bernard, Jim Halpert and Dwight Schrute. This was a mixed bag of people, some performed well and some didn't. All had their best moments, but not enough to be enough for Michael. What that meant though was the best moments of Dwight and Jim as a combo.
I adore season eight and nine. Yes, they have hiccups, yes, they are weird, and yes, the Michael Scott era is something golden. But seasons 8&9 get to be adventurous, they give the rest of the cast more growth and time to shine, and the finale of the whole series is just tremendous and so emotionally satisfying. I can’t imagine skipping the rest of the series after Michael leaves, there’s so much good stuff in the last two seasons. Also, Robert California is great, and I will die on that hill.
I try to be someone who watches all the episodes, but whenever I try to venture past Michael leaving, I just don't like it and start the series over. I have only watched seasons 8 and 9 once through. I have no idea how many times I have watched the other seasons.
@@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 It may have been good if you were watching the show as it was airing, but it feels so repetitive if you just binge watched the series over the course of a couple weeks prior.
@@thomasfryer5706 I was joking. I don’t consider it my favorite episode. In fact, I honestly don’t even consider it a real episode. It’s hard to really call it the worst, because it’s like, not even the same thing as an episode. Ranking it alongside other episodes of the show is like ranking RUclips Office clip compilations as episodes, it just seems wrong to me. To me it shouldn’t even be in the conversation.
My take… If they had tried to do at least one episode developing each character. So that I’d say Steve carrell left it wouldn’t leave a black hole in plot. Because unfortunately that’s basically what happened. Steve carrell was a major plot point in almost every episode. So when he left it felt like the show changed. With SNL actors have various roles where sometimes they get the spotlight sometimes they are the minor character. The office didn’t have that. They shifted to Andy being manager and the show suddenly truly trying to become an ensemble cast. But that’s something they should have tried to start doing in season 1 or 2. Where Dwight ans Angela might get A plot one week. Or Oscar and someone being involved as A plot. And rotate that around.
last season of the Office sure do show some parallels to the last Scrubs season, when they did a semi-soft reboot with some core characters replaced by young kids, some sympathetic, some not, but it was just too late to care about them.
You say that everyone has a least favorite episode that could be someone else's favorite episode, and I would love -- LOVE -- to encounter someone, ANYONE, whose favorite episode is Vandalism. That is one of the worst episodes of TV I've ever seen altogether.
Worst episodes are in 9th season and the later half of 8th season , early half of 8th , 7th after Micheal left and 1st season are ok, season 2-7( till Micheal Scott presence) were the best
I thoroughly enjoyed the office even after Steve carell left. While I prefer seasons one through seven, seasons 8 and 9 have their shining moments as well. And as someone else in the comments said, when Michael left, it kind of gave some of the other characters time to shine. To me, the last two seasons aren't as good as the first seven, but they're not terrible by any means. And the finale really wraps things up very nicely. Although it really irritates me that Toby never got a happy ending. I really felt like that poor bastard finally deserved a win. And I'm in the super tiny minority of people that actually likes the character of Robert california. He was just so eccentric and weird and out of place, it really shook the show up in a good way for me. But yeah, the last two seasons of The office are just an extension of an already great show. There are some good little nuggets in both of those seasons. And while I don't watch them as much as the earlier seasons, I watch them more often than season 1. I still think that they help to continue the story of these characters that we have followed for so many seasons. and even though Michael's not there, I still enjoy watching these characters on their journey. So yeah, give me all seven seasons. And even though the quality fluctuates here and there, and even though the beloved character of Michael Scott is not there in the final two seasons, looking back at it all, I'm thankful for this series and I wouldn't change anything about it. Except for giving Toby a happy ending!
Top 5 Office episodes for me series 2-4. 1. Dwight's Speech 2. The Fight 3. A Benihana Christmas 4. The Negotiation 5. The Job. Not to keen on Andy heavy episodes but don't mind later series.
Hate Robert California, hate Nellie, hate Pete, hate Pete's little tubby sidekick, hate how Andy's character became more and more insufferable, hate Jim & Pam's dramas, hate that Dwight's siblings are all straight. Michael packed up all the quality and and took it off to Colorado with him.
One episode that always felt "off" to me was Livin The Dream. But I don't know why. It had most of the cast and some significant moments. Yet it just felt empty.
i loved clark and pete, i really think the show could have lasted 2+ more seasons with Jim and Pam’s departure from the show. With a cast of Dwight, Angela, Erin, Pete, Clark, (stanley’s replacement), and the blonde lady in the finale.
It doesn't follow that, if there is reason to think that Hunter and Jan had an affair, therefore there is reason to think Hunter is Astrid's father. Astrid had to have been conceived at some point in Season 4. That means Hunter and Jan were still having sex after she moved to Scranton. It's one thing for a young man to sleep with his impulsive, aggressive, and, reasonably hot female boss in a large, chaotic corporate environment. It's another to say that they were devoted to each other enough to still keep it up when they lived several hours apart and she had no power over him.
Yes. Also... they made a big deal about Jan's reaction to the fact that Kevin was a sperm donor at the place Jan went to. If she was lying about all that, she'd have had no reaction nor cared at all. Also also... who cares? The heck difference does it make?
Yes, The Office is still good after Carell left. It's like when a hockey team loses their captain to retirement, or a trade. The rest of the team is still good, but they might not be as consistent for a while. Also, I liked your old backdrop better. The current one is like the classy Christmas episode: it's nice, but is it really Michael Scott?
I thought Jim and Pam having troubles was a fine subplot. They have a few arguments, Jim hides that he did the opposite of what they agreed, Jim wants to do something better than his office job and Pam is struggling as a mom and supportive wife who feels she never pursued her dreams. This isn't "out of nowhere", it's entirely believable. Season 9 also introduces the element that these unseen camera crew are their friends after 9 years (remember Jim's smiling at his buddies when he learns he's going to be a dad?) and that also presents complications. It's the idea to have them divorce which is ridiculous. Like Cathy's pursuit of Jim in Florida...that just ain't happening.
I think the Office could’ve kept going if… the new faces weren’t Plop and Dwight Jr. They’re not strong characters and don’t hook well. Maybe they could’ve worked if season 9 had been about wrapping up what was left to be done with the existing main characters and then new people showed up in season 10
It was so transparent, too. Andy was the new Michael.. hell they had Andy do the SAME bits Michael did. The new youngsters were so painfully obvious as the new versions of Jim and Dwight.. except infinitely lamer. Outrageously lazy writing.
When my favorite co worker leaves work, things no longer feel the same, but I still care about everybody. Every co worker who stays and every new co worker is a valuable person that I have the opportunity to get to know. Just because Michael left and the show stopped being the same, that doesn’t mean it's not still worth watching, it just means I shift my focus to deepening an appreciation for the other characters. I've learned to love life even as it changes, and that includes my favorite shows
The episodes with Steve Carell are the best comedy in the history of sitcoms. After Steve left, the show was worth watching, but not nearly the great show it had been. (I watched every episode in order.)
Season 8 is so bad, every character becomes insane, especially Erin that becomes insane and 10 IQ. Season 7 is also pretty bad, very bad, but Steve somewhat saves it. Season 9 it's just one of the seasons ever.
As someone who watched the office 7 times here's my hot take: Robert California is funny as hell, he's impredictable, leans on that psycho, manipulator and gaslightning persona that we see in his job interview, and makes a good contrast to Michael, even if he's not the regional manager. He is a force of nature: "I'm the fucking lizard king" is iconic. But at times he acts like a real human being (The pool party) and is funny to watch him bonding with the rest of the office. Proving that when you get to know these people they bring the best out of you, just as Michael always said. I think he helps to give every other character of the office little moments to shine so I think he's a good addition to the cast. Also, James Spader.
I think a lot of 8 and 9 is still really entertaining stuff. Yes, the main focus of the show was Michael being this mad annoying boss they have to deal with, but the show obviously has so much more to it with all the other main focus characters, that when he left, I still had an interest in where all the others would go, and always did enjoy seeing more from them. 9 is a bit of a rough one for Pam and Jim for sure, but it ends well for them. When it came to the new additions, I think they all added some great humour to those seasons. Robert California I think is particularly underrated. His deadpan delivery of the most unexpected things was great to see, and was kind of a shame he didn't come back for 9. I will agree with what many say in that i dislike how Andy was handled. Probably most of 8, and some of 9 , he's fitting as a new manager But his relationship with Erin and its whole plot just got terrible, and I feel like she even got too stupid at times. Which is a shame cause, I mostly liked her as a new addition from 5. I'm at least happy they give Andy a nice ending in the finale, so it kind of makes up for how they handle him. I don't know why the Boom guy story gets so much hate. I like the idea that for the final season we finally draw extra attention to the fact that this show has been filming for years, and any acknowledgement of them now, I think is purposeful in that they were realistically being drawn attention to always, but it was always cut out. I'm able to suspend disbelief at the idea of the characters not knowing how much was being filmed, cause I kind of just look at it just making fun of itself and the crazy idea of how much they somehow DO film.
The reason i dont like the show after michael left is because when he was in the show every episode made me laugh, but after he left i felt that the episodes where more about plot and that there was just this big hole. Altough s8 and 9 have a couple of funny episodes i thought the seasons all in all were super boring.
I really think Steve stepping away from the Office gave the rest of the cast a chance to step into the light. Kevin and creed feel like they develop alot more after Micheal left. I adore the office through and through both with or without Steve.
I love some of what we got to see with the rest of the cast. Oscar too, Angela.. unfortunately not anything that could carry the show or make up for the loss of purpose or direction.
I will admit that Robert California had some great moments (like the Halloween episode or when he had the pool party). But he was the kind of intense, weird but interesting character best used occasionally. know; in most of my relationships I am the Robert California 🤷♂️ Too much Robert California just makes everything weird.
Answer to the Title, NO, Noooooo, Nooo, hear me out, After Carell, I had to Find good episodes, (to watch) and With Carell, I had to Find Bad Episodes, (to skip)
Wow. I’ve suspected for years- after watching B99 and The Good Place and Upload and Spaceforce- that everything that made Parks and Recreation a comfort show for me came from Michael Schur while everything that I simply liked or hated about P&R came from Greg Daniels. Knowing he wanted Jim and Pam to get divorced in the final season has me fully convinced.
My least favorite episode is Scott's Tots. It is just too cringe for me and unlike a lot of episodes in the show, the episode did not really have any karma for Michael. That said, I think season 8 and 9 are different, but it was still a good show.
As a Black person who comes from a low-income background, I was especially dismayed by this episode. I didn't necessarily HATE it when I saw it, but when it's on, I do make a point to avoid it.
I enjoyed S8 and S9 but honestly, it felt like a very different show when he left and I probably didn’t find it as funny as it was in the earlier seasons.
You really are Americans, too optimistic to appreciate certain things. Jim and Pam's troubles in the last season, the resolution and the message are golden to me.
in the chart at 1:03 why does one episode have literally 2x the viewership of every single other episode?? literally makes no sense. More than double. Most of them have just under 10 million viewers but this single episode has 23 million.
I do both ways. I have now re-watched the series all the way through 3 times, 4 times if you count as they were being broadcasted on NBC. And then 2 times, skipping most of the 50 some odd ep. without Michael Scott. Taking a break, but would now only watch again by watching them all. Office is top 5 all time sitcom for me. My power five are: 1. 30 Rock 2. News Radio 3. Seinfeld 4. Office 5. Parks and Rec Mulverine, I love your channel. Been a sub for a while. Don't know why I didn't comment till recently. Looking forward to you doing more content, keep up the good work!
The Worst episode imo: the Farm, best: Probably the niagra falls episode the micheal Episodes are still better, but the after micheal episodes are still pretty good
I love season 8 and 9 but some episodes drag and they dragged Andy to the ground but I still really liked it. Jim and Dwight becoming more friendly was great. t The senator arc was great and is my second favourite arc (first is the Michael Scott paper company obviously). The episodes were hit and miss but I think the last 2 seasons are still great.
I love James Spader, but I can not rewatch season 8. It just went no where. Season 9 was pretty ok though. I'm a season 1 to 7 person...yes I enjoy the 1st season. 😀
Robert California debuted during a time when I had a boss exactly like him, and it made the season excruciating to watch. Now that I'm more detached from that part of my life (thank goodness), I simply don't find Robert California funny or interesting. So it goes.
Waaaaay too much Andy after that. I get that he's supposed to be annoying, but that fact doesn't magically make him non-annoying. He's fine as a cog in the wheel, but too much of him made us play a drinking game in which every time we rolled our eyes at something Andy does that no one in the history of the species would ever do. He's a cartoon. It lost me when Andy and the entire Sweeny Todd cast performed in the office. Oh god, and when he showed up in overalls and straw hat. He became a caricature that had no plausible reason to not get the crap beat out of him every 5 minutes.
Did you like that preview in which the Minions took over the Office theme? What do you think would happen if the Minions interacted with the Office characters?
Id argue that the trip to Tallahassee is important to the growth of Jim and Dwight's friendship which, in my opinion, is one of the few highlights of the last two seasons.
Ditto.
one of my favorite arcs across the entire show
I think the reason why the Office was so good in the time with Carell was that these were ordinary situations with mostly normal people, and then Michael, this chaotic force of nature at the core, driving everything up to 11 and Dwight at his beck and call. After Michael left, Dwight seemed to lose the things that made him special, and everyone else was turned up to 11, to the point where even Jim seemed to have dissociated from reality
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It's simple. It stopped being believable. Before he left, the vast majority of episodes provided a feeling like this could be a real place. But then the writing just veered so significantly into the unrealistic direction that it just wasn't believable anymore and wasn't the show that I fell in love with anymore. I mean, shooting Stanley with bull tranquilizer, just giving one example. That would have never happened the first several seasons.
idk I still really liked that episode.
I understand what you mean, but that episode was so funny.
Totally unrealistic but at least funny. Lice grenades on another hand though..
My least favorite episode is when the warehouse worker draws butts on Pam’s mural. It’s so dumb lol. And it introduces the stupid side-plot with the boom mic guy.
yup, I agree. I felt that episode was so unnecessary.
I agree -- completely 100% awful from beginning to end.
Boom mic guy's first appearance was the worst in my opinion. Season 9 had been pretty terrible, but Jim and Pam's fight over the phone worked so well. It drew the episode to a close with heart. It wasn't over-the-top or melodramatic, but felt real and really hit you. It was one of if not the best endings to an episode in the whole series.
...and then Brian the boom mic guy comes in and ruins the entire moment. It went from real, authentic drama to schlock.
Whoever was directing it should have called cut with Pam crying and ended the scene there. Whoever edited it should have cut out any interference by boom mic guy and relegated it to the deleted scenes where we'd all just cringe and then laugh about hoe bad they almost screwed it up lol
It was the worst...
Yup, this one
So true. I absolutely hated this episode
The episode where Cathy tries to seduce Jim enrages me.
But it proves how good a husband Jim is
@@KingJake-om7yq Fair enough, but being married to an attractive man of six feet, three inches, I know how annoying it is to know every woman wants him... 😬
Yeah that one was pretty annoying.
I'm not even a fan of Jim & Pam's relationship, but that whole Cathy/Jim nonsense was so stupid I couldn't deal with it. So ridiculous.
And it's just a badly written episode/arc. If they wanted some "Jim might do this.." tension, then Kathy should have made some emotional connection to Jim, even if it were innocent co-worker/Jim being kind sort of stuff. Then she could have been the confidant to talk to when things are rough with Pam. Instead she's just kind of obnoxious and really obvious.
After Michael left there was this big hole...in my heart and in the show. 🥺
Chair Model is great bc we get that final scene with Michael and Dwight jamming in the cemetery
The showrunners and cast talked a big game about how the show wasn't Michael. But I think they were motivated by the careers and jobs of the cast and hundreds of production staff. A great motivation. But it led them to say or believe ridiculous nonsense that Michael wasn't the heart and soul of the show. This is why, afterward, the show feels so listless, thin, and dull. They try just crazy stuff, but it feels like desperation or aimless wandering, not the purposeful, thoughtful, sophisticated writing of earlier seasons.
The show started being slightly worse after "Niagara". The golden age was from "The Dundies" till that episode. I'd call the period between "Niagara" and "Goodbye Michael" a silver age.
Agreed
I hated the “Mafia” episode. Dumb story and Andy bringing a crowbar into the restaurant is ridiculous.
Actually, the episode 8x23 "Turf War" is in my top 5 all-time favorite episodes of the whole show. I think that's a fantastic one. Lloyd Gross is just amazing.
Turf War has my favorite Robert California quote!!! "Can everyone just, please... I had a one-man saturnalia last night, in celebration of the finalization of my divorce. I got into a case of Australian reds, and - how should I say this - Columbian whites. What - what is this about, uh, Binghamton?"
Turf War is a rare gleam in the mostly *garbage* ssns 8 & 9 👌🏻
I really like that Jim and Pam have a rough spot. It gives their lives more meaning and makes it seem less fairytale and more realistic. After all you can't be truly happy unless you've been truly unhappy. The fact they get through it and become stronger for it just shows how great this subplot is
When they got married, their characters got very boring... very boring.
The episodes I have a problem with during the Carell era were Scott’s Tots (cringey) and Dwight’s Speech… post Carell the show “jumped the shark” and never really filled the void Carell left… how he never received an Emmy for the show is ridiculous.
yea scott’s tots is pretty bad, i think the episode i hate most and always skip is dinner party. i just can’t it hurts my soul it’s so bad
@@jeffjefferson8137that’s considered to be the best episode in the show! But I respect your opinion
Scotts tots is so good because it's cringey😂
It made me laugh so much that I will never forget.
The cringe comedy of this show is the reason I loved this show since s1. Others hate s1 but I love it.
In my view, while Seasons 8 and 9 were shaky at times, they are generally pretty good, and probably much better than most people give them credit for. The show definitely gets worse, but I would also definitely say it’s worth watching all the way through. It doesn’t decline anywhere near as badly as Community did in Season 4, where almost everything you can skip.
I also think that the decline kind of already began in Season 5 when Greg Daniels was replaced by Paul Liberstein (Toby BTW) as showrunner. To me, Seasons 2-4 are the golden age of The Office, then 5-7 are a little below that as the Silver Age, then 8 and 9 are the Bronze Age, not as good, but still decent television. (Season 1 is actually by far my least favorite season, sort of like a crappy prototype Office).
Other than the fact that i haven’t watched Community, i am absolutely on YOUR page! I have to force myself to watch ANY of S1, with E1 being my least favorite of the entire series. & also, other than the focus on Andy (and or Erin, cuz i can’t stand them), post-Carrell is pretty damn good imo.
My favorite season is 5. I thought it started to dip in six. I am an OG Office fan. I found out about the show due to Carrell being in the 40 Year Old Virgin.
Paul Liberatein is a decent writer, but he got replaced in season 9
@@ElliotDomoney yeah. Greg Daniels actually came back.
@@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 yeah but at that point it was too late
The episode I hate most is when Dwight and Andy thought the insurance salesman was Mafia. Every regular character was beyond stupid in that particular episode.
The character who also had inconsistencies big time was Kevin . Why that character was written the way he was in certain episodes made me feel like he was neglected in the writing. I also agree with you on the points you made on Andy. One more thing. Erin. That infuriated me on how much the kept dumbing her down. No growth at all, which made it puzzling when she’d occasionally make an intelligent statement.
Ok… rant over for now! Thanks for your video! Great work!
It's one of the EP i skip on rewatch, also Andy's play and viewing party (glee) EP. And season 8 and 9. The office For me it ended with Michael.
The office is so different after Michael Scott. That said, I love seasons 8 &9. It’s all good.
Robert California was the worst thing that ever could've happened to the office. Killed it for me. Loved them moving on so fast.
He has a couple good gags and the lizard king monologue is amazing but otherwise, yeah. Makes you miss Wallace, Jan, and Ryan bad.
I don't think The Office was very good after Michael left. But it isn't just because Michael left. The Office had a lot of good characters and storylines they could have worked with. There could have been some great stories focusing on any number of characters. Something just fell apart in Season 8, and I just can't put my finger on it. And then Season 9 went completely off the rails until the last handful of episodes when it admittedly ended strongly.
Maybe too much emphasis was put on Jim and Pam when their story had peaked (followed by a marital troubles arc no one wanted to see). Maybe there were too many attempts at incorporating the rest of the cast into the storyline without developing them first. Why did it feel like we knew *less* about Kevin, Phyllis, and Stanley than in earlier seasons when that's not even possible? It wa slike having NOCs try to carry the stories.
Or maybe they just ran out of ideas, which is why things just got so bizarre.
I think they resorted to Jim/Pam as those were the most popular characters after Michael. Except their story had really run its course.
The most devastating disaster for the show was an inability even try to have a Michael-type boss as manager. This isn't their fault, as Ed Helms had to shoot the Hangover. How prophetic was the the post-Michael show with a revolving door o' bosses (Deangelo, Dwight, Creed.. Andy), leading to the show never having a consistent boss ever again. Helms/Andy could have been great. But a The Office without ANY manager or anyone in that role? Absolute disaster, that even TV's funniest writers couldn't fix.
If anyone says they like Scott's tots I'm filing a restraining order 💀
I like it. It's painful, but it shows more of Michael's need to be liked
My partner and I like it a lot actually. 🤣 It's hard to watch at times and takes cringe to a whole other level but it has that train wreck appeal.
@@JulieBarbara It is hard to watch. But there's good stuff in there. One thing is that it's important for Michael's growth to confront the consequences of his bad behavior. Before the end, Michael makes a truly genuine and unselfish (real) sacrifice of paying for one student's books. That moment is really what the episode is about. Plus some good character dev with Erin.
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That was a very hard watch lol
Started watching The Office through RUclips and the clips I found the most funny and interesting were the ones that had Michael in them. By the time I streamed full seasons to watch most comment sections had convinced me that after Michael's departure there was really no point in watching. I've rewatched it 3 times now from season 1 through 7 and have still never watched an episode from season 8 or 9 just the occasional RUclips clip
Favorite Michael Scott era episode: "The Injury"
Worst Michael Scott era episode: "The Christening"
I thought Christening was so fucking weird and stupid. It emphasized that Jim & Pam really were absolutely perfect in every conceivable way with each other, from their ultimate compatibility with each other aaaall the way to their lifestyle compatibility, both wanting kids, both wanting to baptize their kids, etc. It just bugged me, on top of not being a funny or interesting episode.
The worst episode is the one where Michael dines with the "Italian mafia boss"
The series 8 and 9 are not great, they had a lot of things to figure out, a whole lot of void to fill in for Steve, which is impossible. But that meant they tried Robert California, Deangelo Vickers, Nellie Bertram, Andy Bernard, Jim Halpert and Dwight Schrute. This was a mixed bag of people, some performed well and some didn't. All had their best moments, but not enough to be enough for Michael. What that meant though was the best moments of Dwight and Jim as a combo.
I adore season eight and nine. Yes, they have hiccups, yes, they are weird, and yes, the Michael Scott era is something golden. But seasons 8&9 get to be adventurous, they give the rest of the cast more growth and time to shine, and the finale of the whole series is just tremendous and so emotionally satisfying. I can’t imagine skipping the rest of the series after Michael leaves, there’s so much good stuff in the last two seasons. Also, Robert California is great, and I will die on that hill.
California is geographically beautiful. But unfortunately liberals have made it uninhabitable. I would never visit there under any circumstances.
Could not disagree more if I tried.
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this is literally so true . robert california is amazing
The banker could not possibly be someone’s favorite
It's an ok clip show, lol
I try to be someone who watches all the episodes, but whenever I try to venture past Michael leaving, I just don't like it and start the series over. I have only watched seasons 8 and 9 once through. I have no idea how many times I have watched the other seasons.
Me too. I used to watch them every week when they were on TV and never really watched them again. I tried a few times but just stop.
I’ve watched 1-7 seasons on loop an unhealthy amount of times. This comment is spot on.
I absolutely love "The Office" but no it wasn't as good after Steve Carrell left.
This whole video was a set up to get to "Ed to helm the show"
No way The Banker is someone's favourite episode!
It’s my favorite episode. It has all the best moments from the other episodes! Doesn’t that make it objectively the best?
@@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 It may have been good if you were watching the show as it was airing, but it feels so repetitive if you just binge watched the series over the course of a couple weeks prior.
@@thomasfryer5706 I was joking. I don’t consider it my favorite episode. In fact, I honestly don’t even consider it a real episode. It’s hard to really call it the worst, because it’s like, not even the same thing as an episode. Ranking it alongside other episodes of the show is like ranking RUclips Office clip compilations as episodes, it just seems wrong to me. To me it shouldn’t even be in the conversation.
I love it! 😂 Love when shows do that reminiscent/recap episode
True. In fairness to the show, these are episodes that the network forced them to make for budget reasons.
No. It sucked after Michael left. He was the heart of the show.
Scott's Tots is probably my most hated
Just stumbled onto your channel and must say I’ve been enjoying the videos. Keep up the good work!
I still liked the Office after Michael left it wasn't as good but I still enjoyed it
My take…
If they had tried to do at least one episode developing each character. So that I’d say Steve carrell left it wouldn’t leave a black hole in plot. Because unfortunately that’s basically what happened. Steve carrell was a major plot point in almost every episode. So when he left it felt like the show changed.
With SNL actors have various roles where sometimes they get the spotlight sometimes they are the minor character. The office didn’t have that. They shifted to Andy being manager and the show suddenly truly trying to become an ensemble cast. But that’s something they should have tried to start doing in season 1 or 2. Where Dwight ans Angela might get A plot one week. Or Oscar and someone being involved as A plot. And rotate that around.
last season of the Office sure do show some parallels to the last Scrubs season, when they did a semi-soft reboot with some core characters replaced by young kids, some sympathetic, some not, but it was just too late to care about them.
You say that everyone has a least favorite episode that could be someone else's favorite episode, and I would love -- LOVE -- to encounter someone, ANYONE, whose favorite episode is Vandalism. That is one of the worst episodes of TV I've ever seen altogether.
The Office ended when Michael left.
Great job posting that brand new 2022 mindy and BJ pic from the Celtics game this year - love it
My fav episode is Season 3s Benihana Christmas. Most think yeah its good but not the best.
Agreed
Worst episodes are in 9th season and the later half of 8th season , early half of 8th , 7th after Micheal left and 1st season are ok, season 2-7( till Micheal Scott presence) were the best
I thoroughly enjoyed the office even after Steve carell left. While I prefer seasons one through seven, seasons 8 and 9 have their shining moments as well. And as someone else in the comments said, when Michael left, it kind of gave some of the other characters time to shine. To me, the last two seasons aren't as good as the first seven, but they're not terrible by any means. And the finale really wraps things up very nicely. Although it really irritates me that Toby never got a happy ending. I really felt like that poor bastard finally deserved a win. And I'm in the super tiny minority of people that actually likes the character of Robert california. He was just so eccentric and weird and out of place, it really shook the show up in a good way for me. But yeah, the last two seasons of The office are just an extension of an already great show. There are some good little nuggets in both of those seasons. And while I don't watch them as much as the earlier seasons, I watch them more often than season 1. I still think that they help to continue the story of these characters that we have followed for so many seasons. and even though Michael's not there, I still enjoy watching these characters on their journey. So yeah, give me all seven seasons. And even though the quality fluctuates here and there, and even though the beloved character of Michael Scott is not there in the final two seasons, looking back at it all, I'm thankful for this series and I wouldn't change anything about it. Except for giving Toby a happy ending!
Top 5 Office episodes for me series 2-4.
1. Dwight's Speech
2. The Fight
3. A Benihana Christmas
4. The Negotiation
5. The Job.
Not to keen on Andy heavy episodes but don't mind later series.
The negotiation is my favourite!
@@uo2098 Opps I actually meant The Deposition but The Negotiation was still up there.
Hate Robert California, hate Nellie, hate Pete, hate Pete's little tubby sidekick, hate how Andy's character became more and more insufferable, hate Jim & Pam's dramas, hate that Dwight's siblings are all straight. Michael packed up all the quality and and took it off to Colorado with him.
David Wallace was the best character for me.
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15:35 What episode is that from?? Where it looks like Ryan and Toby are fighting.
There's are some moment after carell left, season 8 was ok to a degree
Season 9 on the other hand...
One episode that always felt "off" to me was Livin The Dream. But I don't know why. It had most of the cast and some significant moments. Yet it just felt empty.
i loved clark and pete, i really think the show could have lasted 2+ more seasons with Jim and Pam’s departure from the show. With a cast of Dwight, Angela, Erin, Pete, Clark, (stanley’s replacement), and the blonde lady in the finale.
It doesn't follow that, if there is reason to think that Hunter and Jan had an affair, therefore there is reason to think Hunter is Astrid's father.
Astrid had to have been conceived at some point in Season 4. That means Hunter and Jan were still having sex after she moved to Scranton.
It's one thing for a young man to sleep with his impulsive, aggressive, and, reasonably hot female boss in a large, chaotic corporate environment. It's another to say that they were devoted to each other enough to still keep it up when they lived several hours apart and she had no power over him.
Yes. Also... they made a big deal about Jan's reaction to the fact that Kevin was a sperm donor at the place Jan went to. If she was lying about all that, she'd have had no reaction nor cared at all.
Also also... who cares? The heck difference does it make?
Yes, The Office is still good after Carell left. It's like when a hockey team loses their captain to retirement, or a trade. The rest of the team is still good, but they might not be as consistent for a while.
Also, I liked your old backdrop better. The current one is like the classy Christmas episode: it's nice, but is it really Michael Scott?
The recap episode where? Gail from breaking bad has to listen to Toby and they just replay clips from prior episodes.
Best - The Injury
Worst - Gettysburg
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I thought Jim and Pam having troubles was a fine subplot. They have a few arguments, Jim hides that he did the opposite of what they agreed, Jim wants to do something better than his office job and Pam is struggling as a mom and supportive wife who feels she never pursued her dreams. This isn't "out of nowhere", it's entirely believable. Season 9 also introduces the element that these unseen camera crew are their friends after 9 years (remember Jim's smiling at his buddies when he learns he's going to be a dad?) and that also presents complications.
It's the idea to have them divorce which is ridiculous. Like Cathy's pursuit of Jim in Florida...that just ain't happening.
I think the Office could’ve kept going if… the new faces weren’t Plop and Dwight Jr. They’re not strong characters and don’t hook well. Maybe they could’ve worked if season 9 had been about wrapping up what was left to be done with the existing main characters and then new people showed up in season 10
It was so transparent, too. Andy was the new Michael.. hell they had Andy do the SAME bits Michael did. The new youngsters were so painfully obvious as the new versions of Jim and Dwight.. except infinitely lamer. Outrageously lazy writing.
Andy’s Play is the ONLY episode I skip every time
I agree
Steve Carell WAS The office. Without him, the show died
100% with you
When my favorite co worker leaves work, things no longer feel the same, but I still care about everybody. Every co worker who stays and every new co worker is a valuable person that I have the opportunity to get to know.
Just because Michael left and the show stopped being the same, that doesn’t mean it's not still worth watching, it just means I shift my focus to deepening an appreciation for the other characters. I've learned to love life even as it changes, and that includes my favorite shows
The episodes with Steve Carell are the best comedy in the history of sitcoms. After Steve left, the show was worth watching, but not nearly the great show it had been. (I watched every episode in order.)
This is the best point. It wasn't that S08 and S09 were bad, they just seem bad since Michael Scott was so good.
Season 9, episode 17, The Farm is my lease favorite.
The backdoor pilot completely failed for me and makes the episode unwatchable
Oh, for goodness sakes
Least
Season 8 is so bad, every character becomes insane, especially Erin that becomes insane and 10 IQ. Season 7 is also pretty bad, very bad, but Steve somewhat saves it. Season 9 it's just one of the seasons ever.
Michael left i liked the reason in the story but it was sad
4:35 the fact that Scott’s Tots isn’t on this list is baffling
Jim and Pam are like Peter Parker and Mary Jane, people freaked the fuck out at One More Day, and still rage to this day.
As someone who watched the office 7 times here's my hot take: Robert California is funny as hell, he's impredictable, leans on that psycho, manipulator and gaslightning persona that we see in his job interview, and makes a good contrast to Michael, even if he's not the regional manager. He is a force of nature: "I'm the fucking lizard king" is iconic.
But at times he acts like a real human being (The pool party) and is funny to watch him bonding with the rest of the office. Proving that when you get to know these people they bring the best out of you, just as Michael always said.
I think he helps to give every other character of the office little moments to shine so I think he's a good addition to the cast.
Also, James Spader.
I think a lot of 8 and 9 is still really entertaining stuff.
Yes, the main focus of the show was Michael being this mad annoying boss they have to deal with, but the show obviously has so much more to it with all the other main focus characters, that when he left, I still had an interest in where all the others would go, and always did enjoy seeing more from them.
9 is a bit of a rough one for Pam and Jim for sure, but it ends well for them.
When it came to the new additions, I think they all added some great humour to those seasons.
Robert California I think is particularly underrated. His deadpan delivery of the most unexpected things was great to see, and was kind of a shame he didn't come back for 9.
I will agree with what many say in that i dislike how Andy was handled. Probably most of 8, and some of 9 , he's fitting as a new manager
But his relationship with Erin and its whole plot just got terrible, and I feel like she even got too stupid at times. Which is a shame cause, I mostly liked her as a new addition from 5.
I'm at least happy they give Andy a nice ending in the finale, so it kind of makes up for how they handle him.
I don't know why the Boom guy story gets so much hate. I like the idea that for the final season we finally draw extra attention to the fact that this show has been filming for years, and any acknowledgement of them now, I think is purposeful in that they were realistically being drawn attention to always, but it was always cut out.
I'm able to suspend disbelief at the idea of the characters not knowing how much was being filmed, cause I kind of just look at it just making fun of itself and the crazy idea of how much they somehow DO film.
local ad has got to be one of my favs and nobody else has ever agreed with me
The reason i dont like the show after michael left is because when he was in the show every episode made me laugh, but after he left i felt that the episodes where more about plot and that there was just this big hole. Altough s8 and 9 have a couple of funny episodes i thought the seasons all in all were super boring.
I really think Steve stepping away from the Office gave the rest of the cast a chance to step into the light. Kevin and creed feel like they develop alot more after Micheal left. I adore the office through and through both with or without Steve.
Could not agree more!
I love some of what we got to see with the rest of the cast. Oscar too, Angela.. unfortunately not anything that could carry the show or make up for the loss of purpose or direction.
The Answer is YES. Because there is no Robert California if Steve Carrell stays. James Spader was masterful in the role & he is extremely underrated!
I will admit that Robert California had some great moments (like the Halloween episode or when he had the pool party). But he was the kind of intense, weird but interesting character best used occasionally. know; in most of my relationships I am the Robert California 🤷♂️
Too much Robert California just makes everything weird.
Roy’s wedding, prove me wrong America
Answer to the Title, NO, Noooooo, Nooo, hear me out,
After Carell, I had to Find good episodes, (to watch)
and With Carell, I had to Find Bad Episodes, (to skip)
The one with the Mafia insurance guy and the one with the party at Robert California’s house
Wow. I’ve suspected for years- after watching B99 and The Good Place and Upload and Spaceforce- that everything that made Parks and Recreation a comfort show for me came from Michael Schur while everything that I simply liked or hated about P&R came from Greg Daniels. Knowing he wanted Jim and Pam to get divorced in the final season has me fully convinced.
That episode where Jim buys the house and doesn't tell Pam. I think that one isn't good
Least Favorite Office Episode: Angry Andy
Runner-Up: Anything with Nelly post FL arc/Rob California centric episodes
Dinner party is in my top 5 favorite episodes.
Scott’s Tots is fr my one of my favorites
Disliked Robert California so much that I skip the seasons he was in.
A lot of the stuff they had Ed do when he was manager was almost identical to the stuff that early Michael did
My least favorite episode is Scott's Tots. It is just too cringe for me and unlike a lot of episodes in the show, the episode did not really have any karma for Michael.
That said, I think season 8 and 9 are different, but it was still a good show.
As a Black person who comes from a low-income background, I was especially dismayed by this episode. I didn't necessarily HATE it when I saw it, but when it's on, I do make a point to avoid it.
Scott's Tots is one of my favorites. It is so funny!
I enjoyed S8 and S9 but honestly, it felt like a very different show when he left and I probably didn’t find it as funny as it was in the earlier seasons.
Fave episode: Tie between PDA (s7) and S. Harassment (s2) 😂
Least Fave: Lecture Circuit (s5)
Seasons 8-9 are not real, they don’t exist
Whoever is responsible for deciding that Andy and Aaron broke up should be in prison for the rest of their life so they can’t hurt anyone ever again.
You really are Americans, too optimistic to appreciate certain things. Jim and Pam's troubles in the last season, the resolution and the message are golden to me.
Do you think Americans are tik optimistic??
in the chart at 1:03 why does one episode have literally 2x the viewership of every single other episode?? literally makes no sense. More than double. Most of them have just under 10 million viewers but this single episode has 23 million.
edit: never mind--apparently it was because this episode aired right after the super bowl. people probably just left their TV on i guess. weird
Scott's Tots
The season 6 episode “Mafia” can’t be anyone’s favorite episode
Somehow it's an episode my mom likes to put on
It's the favorite episode of the former editor of this channel, Mechanic.
Current editor too! Lol
It's not the best but has some pretty good parts. Andy helping the lady with her car is classic
Another positive about Mafia- many fans appear to like the “I send it back” scene. It’s quoted a lot.
The office after Steve Carell left was almost as bad as the dye job on your beard
I do both ways. I have now re-watched the series all the way through 3 times, 4 times if you count as they were being broadcasted on NBC. And then 2 times, skipping most of the 50 some odd ep. without Michael Scott. Taking a break, but would now only watch again by watching them all. Office is top 5 all time sitcom for me. My power five are:
1. 30 Rock
2. News Radio
3. Seinfeld
4. Office
5. Parks and Rec
Mulverine, I love your channel. Been a sub for a while. Don't know why I didn't comment till recently. Looking forward to you doing more content, keep up the good work!
The Worst episode imo: the Farm, best: Probably the niagra falls episode
the micheal Episodes are still better, but the after micheal episodes are still pretty good
I love season 8 and 9 but some episodes drag and they dragged Andy to the ground but I still really liked it. Jim and Dwight becoming more friendly was great. t
The senator arc was great and is my second favourite arc (first is the Michael Scott paper company obviously). The episodes were hit and miss but I think the last 2 seasons are still great.
I love James Spader, but I can not rewatch season 8. It just went no where. Season 9 was pretty ok though. I'm a season 1 to 7 person...yes I enjoy the 1st season. 😀
Robert California debuted during a time when I had a boss exactly like him, and it made the season excruciating to watch. Now that I'm more detached from that part of my life (thank goodness), I simply don't find Robert California funny or interesting. So it goes.
Waaaaay too much Andy after that. I get that he's supposed to be annoying, but that fact doesn't magically make him non-annoying. He's fine as a cog in the wheel, but too much of him made us play a drinking game in which every time we rolled our eyes at something Andy does that no one in the history of the species would ever do. He's a cartoon. It lost me when Andy and the entire Sweeny Todd cast performed in the office. Oh god, and when he showed up in overalls and straw hat. He became a caricature that had no plausible reason to not get the crap beat out of him every 5 minutes.
My least favorite is threat level midnight
WHY
The office has 7 seasons
No need to go on about 20 mins. Quick & Simple answer is NO
My least favorite episode is Mafia. My favorite season is 3. Least favorite is 8.
Love Season 3!
Did you like that preview in which the Minions took over the Office theme? What do you think would happen if the Minions interacted with the Office characters?