The Legendary Roland Special
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2023
- This gun and the culture that led to it, have had probably the single largest impact on my approach to preparedness.
Today I hope to offer you a glimpse into that.
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Man I just loved the retrospective on the history of the Internet gun community, especially the comment about 2014 when piston guns were waaay overhyped really hit home... I really hadn't realized how fast things have changed from the times of FPS Russia, Demo Ranch, Hickok and early Iraqveteran8888
Your forgot the president of the 2014 guntubers: "Nutnfancy"
@@YourMiddleBroPhilThat guy is a cucciolo
@@YourMiddleBroPhilnutnfancy was my welcome to the guntubers right around 2015. I've moved on, but he'll always have a place on my subscribed list.
Cory and Erika....
PISTON MASTER RACE
Loved this video about the Roland Special that is not about the Roland Special, but instead the fast and radical shift in gun culture of the last two decades, and most of which has been in the last decade. I'm a millennial in my 30s who started shooting when I was a kid. Back then, if you walked into a gun store, most of the store was bolt action rifles and shotguns, along with a decent selection of milsurp bolt actions, and then in the corner there'd be the tactical section with a couple of Bushmaster and DPMS AR's. Today it's mostly AR's and maybe a few deer guns and no milsurp anywhere. The convergence of the factors of veterans, Instagram, and gaming have permanently changed gun culture from "they are for sport" to "they are for uhhhh zombie apocalypse lmao" to "they are for self defense" to "we are preparing for *redacted*". It's, for the most part, a positive change, I'd say.
allmost all milsurp was purchased or sent to another country to be used for wars .
I say it's a double-edged sword. The problem with the "preparing for the *redacted*", is that it's all LARPING while taking itself too serious.
@@UrbanDefenseSystemswhat’s the difference between training and larping?
@@missisuppi LARPING is playing around and fantasizing about unrealistic and improbable scenarios. Training is a practical and realistic approach to one's actual real-world needs.
@@UrbanDefenseSystems so preparing for future eventualities that are not part of your current life is LARPing? If I prepare for a tornado even though the last touchdown in my city was 20 years ago, is that a LARP?
As a former P&S junkie, this was a pleasant blast from the past. I also don't watch them too much anymore, but it's always a lot of fun watching the old stuff. I got my own Roland inspiration there and that's what made me get a Shadow Systems to turn into one. Lots of fun on this one, thanks Brock.
Been steadily binging old P&S videos recently so this is oddly timed lol
P&S is cringe as fuck
Fad though? Maybe this specific spec list, but in general this feature set just became the standard that people want.
100%! Like most channels I like, when they are simply raw and uncut they are genuine and great regardless of size or genre. When the music and intros start showing up, then ads and sponsors, the channel loses some authenticity to me
You can still find a lot of interesting info on P&s, especially from old timers like Haggard or Bolke in last episode
It's certainly one of the guns of all time...
Indeed but I do love the 6second mount gun for Tubular Assaults
You mean one of the best? Or worst?
"One of" isn't saying much.
@@joemo1033no it's one of the guns of all time.
@@joemo1033And this is one of the comments of all time...
@@joemo1033it's a joke bud, just means the gun exists. Not the best, not the worst, nothing innovative, just kinda exists
Chuck shared so much knowledge on Lightfighter. In between him and Pat Rogers you could learn damn near everything you needed.
Great video! Chuck is a national treasure!
Long live BasicLoad
The video glossed over that in between period where BL vanished from LF and suddenly, The Last Gunslinger showed up, but the connection wasn't immediately made. Except Brando that mf has a highly calibrated chuckdar.
MCLMM
Chuck is a wealth of knowledge, I always enjoy shooting the breeze with him at shooters symposium, about early GWOT history.
Im old enough to remember when Chuck Pressburg was Roland Deschain.
I’m old enough to remember when he was basicload
Same
I got to meet Chuck once at a 4x4 shop near me. Super cool dude, and it was awesome for me to meet a guy with that level of knowledge willing to take the time to explain things without coming across as haughty. He was the dude that convinced me a Mk18 wasn't the end all be all, and all ot took was the question: "what happens when you cant get the ammo for it and need to make a shot at 400 yards?"
I think it did more than pave the way for 2011's to come to the prominence they did. I think that without it we would not see the tricked out factory options that give reliability and capability (backed with a warranty) like the 365 XMacro comp.
Took Pressburg No Fail last month. He ran 2011's both days... As did 1/2 the class! Chuck has the 'training community' doing pistol stuff at 25 that we used to struggle with at 10.
Of course Luke would be without a shirt with a plate carrier on. That has to be uncomfortable.
Just a little nipple chafing
Uncomfortable but sexy 😏
It was like 100 degrees out there and i hate being covered in damp clothing. Also, being naked with guns is an entirely comfortable thing for me ❤
@@BallisticAviationokay but how do you manage the nipple chafe 🤣
@@feixue1005nipple tape, and then you can even have a buddy take it off for you nice and slow like.
I built one of these out back in the day. Took my normal glock and put a dot on it, got good with it, decided i wanted a light, didn't like my light getting dirty, got a threaded barrel and an agency arms comp, never got it to run reliably with anything other than +p defensive ammo after that. Got frustrated with it and returned to my roots with a Beretta 92. I learned to shoot with my dad's beretta 92fs as a chilf, and now that i'm an adult with disposable income i went out and got a Langdon Tactical Beretta 92. I put my dot and light on it instead and didn't look back. I've been much happier with it than i ever was with my glock.
I was around back then and involved in P&S. You did a good job brining that information to a younger generation. I hear so much hearsay about it that’s wasn’t accurate. You stayed away from all that. Good call on the flashlight bit…lord of folks miss that. I built mine in 2014 and have shot and carried it since. There used to be an easy-button tuning formula that has been lost to the internet, but guns definitely didn’t run without changing from stock springs.
There was also another configuration floating around back then with an RMR type one, ported S3F barrel, X300U, ICE magwell, on a G34 for OWB use. It ran in stock configuration and offered the same benefits. I had a G34 Gen 4 set up that way and regret selling it, but also had a non-ported Gen 3 G34 I kept.
Man what a blast from the past, P&S helped shape so many of my thoughts and ideas today... I've gotten so much good information from those old forums. I still listen to a few of the old modcasts, they are just straight gold
Inflection points, history and context. Good content. Glad to see the venture surplus guys on board.
You advertised for M81 woobies as im sitting here in my chair wrapped in an OG M81 Woobie from the early 90's
Best book series of all time!!! That movie did the books NO justice!!! And iconic pistol!! A must shoot hands down!!
Ash Hess was a huge educator for me in this time frame. He was very active and it was awesome!
Primary and secondary is still one of my favorite podcasts.
I misread the title and clicked on this thinking I was going to see a video on a Glock in .460 Rowland, but the dive into guntube nostalgia and the evolution of the gun world is always welcome.
Same here. .460 rowland is a beast
I always make the same mistake.
Pressburg's a true gem.
Was deeply influenced By P&S all those yeas ago and started my "serious" training journey with Steve Fisher and then Chuck and recently Jedi. There are some new voices that say so much of what was has changed and there is a better way to learn and train . I will see for myself when time and money avail themselves .Glock should cut a check to Mr. Pressburg because every Gucci Glock in my eyes is a direct descendent . I know all my mine are . Fish and Chuck for sure moved the needle in the 2011 realm too . I salute those gentlemen and their place in my own journey and in their own way allowing me to find my way here .I enjoy your work ..Peace
And all those “trainers” you mentioned earlier have become a joke in the current firearms training landscape, especially after Chuck Pressburg ND’s into his brother-in-laws leg during a drunken incident at his home. Jedi? Complete joke of a trainer according to Ben Stoeger and Matt Pranka, especially after that redneck live he did where Ben embarrassed his watching curriculum. And Fisher? That ex-prison guard was always a grifter to begin with.
i am very interested in what everyone is john wicking around for? i know t rex does it because they are preparing for civil war, i know ex military guys and police do it because it's a habit, but why are regular dudes always training for? i think people should train less, instead they should do more freeform practice, less drills, more general shooting.
@@cagneybillingsley2165Shit take
@@cagneybillingsley2165 You think taking courses that focus on safety ,accuracy and efficiency through different drills is "John Wicking"? I have no delusions of taking on a shadow world of crime and assassins. I look at it like its my responsibility as some who takes my personal protection seriously and carries a handgun most days.I don't attend classes with a war belt ,but ,with my concealment rig .I show up how I show up in my day to day casual wear .I leave the bespoke 3 piece bullet proof suit at home. never once killed some dudes with a pencil or nuthin. I find taking classes is fun ,and get to run into some like minded people for the most part . You are right ,if its the worst day and you have to use your gun to defend your life it will be a free form open event. I have put in some work to hopefully sway the outcome in my favor..If it happens? Ill report back wether or not all the John wicking was worth it or not.
Roland special is cool, Mk23 for the offensive handgun win imo.
Who has a wallet AND hands big enough to actually enjoy shooting a Mk23? It's a boat anchor.
@@jacobzindel987 The grip on Mk23 really isn't that big. its almost smaller than you would want on that gun
The mk23, so good no one wants it
@@jacobzindel987Shit I have tiny ass hands and I still want a Mk.23. Any discomfort from the Xbawks hueg grip would be offset by the fact that I'm firing a Mk.23.
Good shit, brings back those memories of early fun tube and scouring forums for info. I've never given much thought to how much knowledge is now commonplace and easily accessible.
I used to be religious in my watching of the ModCasts. I have cut back but still enjoy them. The Roland Special was such a hot item, 10 years ago. It was what got me into Red Dots on Handguns. Great video and you had Nova at the end. Who's a good Doggo???
I’ve had mine for 10 years and it will probably never leave my collection. I use it in my 5k run and gun events. She has yet to fail like ever.
Never thought of the Roland like this, as the wedge that opened the door for "2011s" and other similar things. 10/10, would listen again
Maybe I'm just 'tarded but I read Roland special and thought this was going to be a Glock 21 in a funny meme caliber.
I mean 460 Roland is great for bear country; although, I think 45 Super or 10mm are easier options
@@heyhayhay247some guy here on youtube built out a g20 like this and called it a Crockett special, seems pretty cool
@@baconsnake6463 I like it. I've got a micro comp on my Glock 21 that I use for 45 Super. It's surprisingly controllable.
With sandalwood grips.
I haven’t seen a .460 Rowland that wasn’t a jam-o-matic otherwise I’d already have dies for my press for it and be looking to find a nicely worn used gun for a conversion
Chuck’s old P&S rants about his tempo and reasoning behind not only this G19 but all his other weapons and POUs were good times. Great story about a snake (pet boa) almost killing him at home too. Damn did he have some tales…..
the best times.
This video and commentary isnt whay I expected, however your info was great and your thoughts of what was to where its going as far as forums, the industry and P&S was absolutely spot on. Very very well done!
I knew Chuck in his Pre-Unit days when he was running a full-sized ODG Wilson Combat .45. Dude was a straight up wild man.
Primary and Secondary is a great channel. That huge video on 308 vs 5.56 is fantastic.
Cool video. I can thank P&S for getting me to take shooting and training seriously. Still follow them from time to time. Always wanted a Roland, recently built one on a G45, and I have to say it's quickly becoming my favorite pistol to shoot. Everything is just a bit easier with it over a stock gun, and those little things definitely add up. The way it mellows out 124gr +p Gold dots is wonderful.
You are definitely my favorite new gun channel I found based on the time era of guns you came up in and the knowledge you have learned comparing it to now
Legitimately my favorite video of yours. Really like it when you talk about the industry and culture, keep it up.
Funny thing is I remember the kid to late 1980s to early 1990s when a commander with a comp thag brought it back put to full size, often in .38 Super (mostly becahse the extra pressure makes rhe comp work better), was one of the "Uber Tier" carry guns everyone who wanted to be in the Cool Kids Club kinda wanted (but nobody you knew had one. 😂 )
One of the best videos of yours. Love this relaxed style.
On this note I'd really appreciate a video on the evolution of the gun community, from the early days to today. Even as a series of more episodes.
Dude this video was more a nostalgia trip than anything else. That P&S commentary took me back to my 30's and my tactics learning era.
Thanks to Chuck Pressburg for popularizing and coining the term.
Most people will never know
you have one of the most underrated channels on RUclips. Keep it up man!
Fantastically told. I have been into firearms for nearly two decades, but somehow missed out on the Roland Special until last year.
What a great overview of all the OG tubers from back in the day. 2013 Nut’n fancy was my go to.
Think I joined P&S FB groups (you know, the 30 versions of them. well like 5 back then) back in 2014. It was the good old days for sure. Definitely was a place where me and others got humbled real quick.
Its named "roland" after chuck pressburg, roland was his operational name. Other fun facts, roland drunkenly shot his brother in law, told responding officers he was a cop in lake arthur thinking it would be all good and that blew the lid off the badge mill
Ah yes. Good ol' New Mexico and the "pay to play" badge factory.
Chuck has been pretty upfront about that incident, his drinking and demons.
He has been sober for more then a few years now. At his classes he encourages people struggling with ptsd to find help, etc.
This was the beginning of people giving a shit about having every advantage they could get in a carry gun. I snagged a cz p07 SR and built my own hammer fired roland special type gun during this time and i still carry it today. It started my interest in classes, it started my interest in shooting handguns, and it has sold over 20 czs to my friends and the rest it sold red dots to.
You know you're getting old when you remember the Roland Special when it was a work in progress, and are old enough to now see it entering the "retro gun build" phase of life.
As for piston guns... they came, they went, and they're back and more popular than ever. Perhaps piston guns were ahead of their time. Had suppressors been as prolific back then as they are today, piston guns would have caught on more.
Nutnfancy is the real OG, always liked how he framed firearms and support equipment in terms of POU and systems as a whole. He also stressed lightweight builds in a time of 9 pound plus quad rail monstrosities.
Nutnfancy is the one who got most of us into this shit
You are becoming the Regular Car Reviews of guntubers and I love it
ive been carrying a roland special since they where first introduced and love it still.
Ahhh the Roland special. I started taking firearm training seriously in 2017, and in 2018 I attended the first Shooters Symposium and basically everyone who was anyone had one on the firing line. Was also pretty cool to get instruction from the man himself Chuck Pressburg that early into my training journey.
that's badass.
@@BrassFacts yeah, it was a cool experience. Got lucky to get in there before Symposium got hella expensive.
I built one of these too back in the day... but I found that the deeper down the rabbit hole I went the less well it aged. I've moved on from rmr's to new optics. I've dropped comped striker fired guns and just run mostly un-comped 2011's now. BUT.... the X300Uboat is STILL the greatest frame weight of all the flashlights we never turn on. Who would have thought?
Good job, Nova. The best helper.
I have this build with a radian guide rod with the 15 lb spring and holy shit it makes it so smooth
I love my role-ish special, and haven't had any problems with reliability. Stock springs, shooting anemic blazer 115 to bordering-unsafe +p+ 124s, it seems to run it all. Also, good dog, nova
Chuck is a legend, nice guy to boot
I carry a g17 (Rolandish special). Stock recoil spring and trigger, 124gr ammo only (I’m picking about training with the closest ammo to my carry ammo). Zero malfunctions 2000+ rounds. I agree that ammo choice becomes important when most modifications are done.
Great content. Nice to come full circle.
Watched for the brother in law ventilation, stayed for the mention of the golden years of guntube
Brilliant! Learned a ton, thank you broski!
Very interesting. Thanks for sending me here
I built my gen5 Roland to match my 11.5 AR-9. Both are more or less range toys, but I went out of my way to get a Tenicor holster for CC.
I still carry my shield+TLR6 and Apex trigger 99.9% of the time.
Love mine, especially with duty ammo and +p fmj. I remember when Speer would sell loose packed 115+p on SGAMMO and I shot so much of it through my Roland
I think the Roland Special has been modernized and split down two branches:
upping reliability with a Glock 19 gen 5, radian ramjet/afterburner, and enclosed optic
And upping carryability with a P365 or P365XL, PMM or similar comp, ane TLR-7
What about the third path of getting a cheap RMR cut dagger, ebay comp, Holosun 507, a TLR 1 all for around $600?
@@ColburnFremlthe poor path to attempted greatness.
My first (and shittiest) video was on the Roland Special. Love the platform! Great content!
What an excellent telling of this guns story. Do more of these.
Keep Rolland, Rolland, Rolland
Good trip down memory lane
This was awesome, i’m in my early 20s and i’ve only ever heard bits and pieces of how the glock moding has gotten to where it is, and how the acceptance of red dots has gotten here but all this background was so eye opening to me where in the mid 2010s i was more worried about halo, cod, and school
P80 lower, Streamlight TLR-1, Brownells slide with window cut/rmr cut, holosun 507k, arc division barrel/comp gen 1, glock factory internals to include trigger, and no magwell. I called it my fauxland special. Ran 115 grain FMJ range ammo and defensive loads up to 147 just fine. Dismantled it because it wasn't comfortable for carry but I've never owned a better performing glock style pistol.
Same, but Brownells threaded barrel with ZEV comp. Best shooting Glock configuration I own.
I've even got a G20 Fauxland Special of sorts where the comp is a much bigger help due to the cartridge.
Seriously got I to guns around 2016, this was a nice trip down memory lane.
When you said “I still think 2018 was 3 years ago”, I had to think real hard about that for a minute…
Absolutely nailed the Ralph Fiennes impression. 👌
I used to be active in the TGC group on the dread Book of Faces. Was a really cool group in the beginning where everyone could talk about stuff and you could even talk to people of major companies too. Pretty awesome. I eventually left as the Admins where gatekeeping anything anyone posted. Got so bad that it felt like only the Vendors where allowed to post(at the time). Wanted to ask a general question on an issue you're having with a part or firearm? NOPE, post denied "looks like a "Selling" post to me"-Admins. I noticed awhile later (after I left) that TGC started to rapidly decline, or at least that's how I perceived it. They're still around, but it doesn't look like it was.
Dude this was an awesome video!
wow yours jams so much. I did a Roland special on my full-size Springfield XDM and used a 14 lb. recoil spring. never had a failure to feed, stovepipe or anything. runs just like my XDm compact.
im kinda a cheap ass specifically during covid. that was some shit ammo
Love Nova on the tent. It's the perfect prank because you can't get mad a such cuteness.
The Hoss USMC is a throwback lmao. Hope that guy is doing alright.
didn't he do a rug pull with a project of his?
@@BrassFacts Honestly I stopped following him well before he stopped posting videos and haven't kept track. Not sure I follow any youtube 1.0 type gun tubers anymore.
@@BrassFactsYes, yes he did. He was going to do a minuteman documentary or something like that and disappeared after he got thousands of dollars from donors for the project. He would return to provide fake updates from time to time before he just stopped altogether.
Great content. Keep it up!
Please do more of these concerning gun culture and its evolution
Glocks, and other short recoil operated pistols for that matter, are *recoil* operated. The recoil unlocks and yeets the slide back, and the recoil spring chucks the slide back with enough force to feed ammo from the mag, and lock that barrel hood back into the slide.
This means, pistols with barrel mounted compensators does literally require hotter ammo to get back to that same recoil envelope to cycle the factory recoil spring. Sounds obvious enough. This is why down rating the recoil spring has problems of its own. Sure, the unlock and ejection now works with the compensator, but as the spring wears out and lose power, it won't have enough energy to feed and lock your pistol. Hence why you have to replace them every 5000 rounds.
However, by up rating the recoil spring *and* installing a substantial compensator, you arrive at things like the .460 Rowland and .960 Rowland (not Roland), squeezing 40,000 PSI chamber pressures without wrecking your guns dangerously fast. They're basically the same thing as 7N21 loads which go at 41,000 PSI, and kills your unmodded Glocks in less than 5,000 rounds.
Rowland loads are meant to go into slightly longer cases with deeper set bullets to prevent is-loading into normal chambers to potentially catastrophic results.
I can tell you that nothing makes a fudd more randomly angry and defensive than telling them you appendix conceal carry any Roland Special config-type pistol.
I'm a very barrel chested dude and I carry an FN 509M (Glock 19 size equivalent) using a shorter 509c-Tactical slide using a PMM Ultra comp, ACRO P2, and X300 year round for my office job. A lot of people still have trouble wrapping their head around the comfort and concealability of this build, its hilarious. I sit at a desk for 9 hours a day with no discomfort. This fact has made some people irrationally angry.
Tell em to fight you about it
My instinctive reaction to hearing 2018 was three years ago was to think "Well duh, of course it was".
Fuck me, multiple years just vanished on me.
Good stuff BrassFacts
P&S was fun back in the day. I'm glad to have gotten a hold of Roland's stories. I kinda wish that things were still the same though it seems like most of the guys these days just love to hear themselves talk and ramble a tad too much for my tastes. It would take me hours to take away anything useful now.
I’m glad that you brought up the forums. I was pretty into the forums in 04-06 and honestly I only ever saw gate keepers and jerks that had little to no experience or good information. I even went so far as to go through the process of joining Emerson’s “Usual Suspects Network” or USN only to instantly get into an argument about Gen 1 Pmags. I hate the forums have no need for them but I’m glad some people found some use for them. No hate this time brass but there’s always next time.
I went away from using comps myself because the carbon/lead build up became a pain to deal with. It can build up to the point your zero shifts and your accuracy can decrease.
I believe Pressburg mentioned he would clean his out his comp with a sand blaster every so often.
Ultimately I found very little difference between using a Glock 34 with a dot and a 19 with a dot and a comp; but the maintenance on the 34 was significantly less.
I prefer the g19 + comp because it recoils faster. But yeah it's basically the same size, I'm literally using a g34 holster after all.
I didn't notice a major POI shift. But I sorta hit a critical mass of carbon on the comp.
Hos USMC and A Regular Guy! Yep, those were some great references. Haha. I'll subscribe. "I think I'm going to like it here!" (in Little Orphan Annie's singing voice from the 1982 Movie).
This week Im def rehashing old P&S stuff :D Chuck had legendary rants over there.
jews do be doing that
Is Chuck still around?
@@makevelicustoms I'm listening to most of episodes and I didn't hear him for a long time.
I don’t know what kind of black magic made it possible, but my “Roland Special” 19x has run flawlessly with my stock recoil springs. Only problem is the screw holding my magwell in fell out, so I gotta get a replacement for that…eventually.
Great video man
7:15 reminds me of MattV2099... I wish he'd come back.
Nailed it!
I might be pretty drunk, but at 19:45 on when you said "...hpwever unlikely, when fate chooses you - you will not be found lacking" brought tears to my eyes. You have a way with words, and the whole section leading up to that was poetry.
I really want to see someone go over the last 50 years of CCW culture and show what was popular at the time. Kind of like Hickok's "armed in..." series
In 2010, kydex holsters were mediocre, Alien Gear was considered good, and if you were “serious,” you had a leather holster and leather gun belt. 1911’s were still the pinnacle for a “serious” shooter and the Glock Gen 3 was a “plastic fantastic” or “Tupperware” that *maybe* might shoot on its own if you weren’t careful (as it turns out, SERPAs were dangerous and leather holsters suck and are way too expensive).
I have a 3 port range 18 compensator on a gen4 34 I use a 13lb spring and stainless steel guide rod recoil spring set up and it's 100% with everything brass. steel case is like 75-80% because my threaded barrel is a stainless steel match barrel, so the chamber is a little tighter. I carried it for duty use for my job for a few years with 22rnd extend basplate glock mags. No light. Tridium fiber optic front blacked out rear no red dot. The offensive handgun concept was my pou. Would still be my duty gun buy my current employer issues g17s, so that's what I use now.
Running a Mass Driver and a Surefire X300 Ultra with a Holosun 407c, and a Timney trigger on a PSA Dagger frame and a G19 RMR cut slide.
The 407c, while a bit outdated, is easily my favorite dot for the money. I'm running 4 or 5 of them between pistol and top dots on rifles, and I've never had an issue with any of them.
It's not exactly a Rolland special, but I'm more than happy with it.
Hows the mass driver treating you?
@tonytiger2450 honestly, really well. It's a little weird to get used to shooting through if you're accustomed to shooting without a comp, but all things considered? It's a solid option. Especially since you're not relying on a comp that's threaded onto a tilting barrel.
It handles 115 grain ball ammo with no issues. Only downside is not being able to thread on a can, but I don't plan on suppressing it anyway.
@@tonytiger2450 ^
I put a comp on my MR920 and it was perfectly reliable for a couple hundred rounds until I tried shooting one handed and it immediately fell on its face so I ditched the comp cause I didn't wanna mess with the spring weight/reliability.
What comp?
hey, try shooting 124 nato out of it. the full power ammo is what a comp needs.
What comp? I put their own comp on my mr920 and have had zero issues so far
@@TheRyandahlgrenit’s all I run, primers can be a little tough but it’s never given me issues with comps.
Want to be on a P&S podcast episode?
😂😂😂😂 f-in pointless clown show
Hell yes! Rowland 960 and 460!