What's up guys so we recently had the new patch that brought the life of enemies down in the pits a bit and also, I made some changes to the build so I was able to push pit 130 (no holy bolt) and honestly with a few tweaks this build could probably push 140+, this is in my opinion the best you can make mages other than obviously having more ranks to mages/hellbent commander but other then that I think this will be the final guide for the Mages unless something changes, if you have any questions let me know below, Thanks for the visit!
Followed your older guide and this new one, thanks, you've helped my gameplay so much. I struggle with using Abyssal, +10% shadow damage is nice, I'm trying Gravekeeper there it can go up to 18% damage if you're near corpses, plus I walked 3 points down to "Deathmarked" which gives +152% damage to injured enemies, it really helps chunking that last 1/3 of enemies down in Pits. Sorry long message just a long way to say thanks so much, keep the good stuff comin'
Nice build. I used this template on my 2nd necro(we seriously need loadouts) and with a few changes for my personal preference found it to be just as fun as my primary golem build. I do agree the damage is more consistent and ranks to Hellbent Commander really do help.
It’s fun pushing, like 131 Pits. But when you hit a wall, you hit a wall. The problem is no glyph to keep leveling to increase the dmg on the builds, therefore no one can really hit 200.
this looks cool, how does a build like this go against uber lilith, I was clearing pit 100+ easy with my golem build but still couldn't kill her :D cheers!
Another great vid, thank you. Question for top players like you - does it matter which item has a certain aspect vs. another item? Understand the benefits of scythes and amulets, but is aspect placing on boots, rings, etc. crucial?
@@XPGamess Thank You! Top players like you share to put one aspect on boots, another on helm, etc., so the low-level guys like me get a bit confused. This helps. Look forward to your level 150 clear soon 👍
Great Video. 🙏🏻 finally a good Skelett mage video. Like them more then Golem combi on ps. any advice to change if i dont have tyrael? What Aspect and gear stats to Farm 100-110?
Hitting the attack speed of 100% for the cult leader node is really important so I would say that comes first honestly but they are both important overall.
Hi, im trying your build and its incredible! What are your thoughts on rolling on the weapon minion attack speed so we can get all the attack speed we need, and get rid of the aspect of the frenzied death? Thanks!
Could you please explain for me ( im new player and trying to follow your guide ) what is the benefit of mutation in the last board if the golems are sacrificed ? I just dont understand it please help :) thanks in advance
@@alimelhem8676 we only take that board for the stats on the glyph in radius, the golem stuff does nothing for us so you dont need to worry about it, solely for the glyph
Yeah, just get a chest with int life and a res or like armor roll. then put the aspect of hardened bones on it with life tempering and either grasping veins or decripify size tempering
Well the changes in the ptr wont go live until season 5. Season 4 is going to stay the same as it is now. Once season 5 comes I will have a new setup together but as of now I haven't dove into it yet. I might be trying out overpower with minions in the ptr. There is lots of content coming in the ptr.
2 reasons, 1 the base att speed doesn't matter mages attack fast as is would rather have more damage overall and secondly by using those we would be losing 120% multiplier by not having blighted aspect on the 2 hander greatly reducing our overall dps by a lot. Personally I would not recommend that and ontop of all that there isnt any other aspects or stats we need with the focus the build has great defense and awesome damage already. This is the best version of mages overall it can only be made better with better masterwork rolls
I use a Wand+Focus to be able to integrate the sacrifice aspect (and more Crit Chance + CDR). Works pretty well for me. Havent tested 2H weapon yet, try this tonight or tomorrow.
@@yungtato244 true. I already switched to a 2-H weapon. I havent finished my testing yet, but so far it seems you need the 240% Bonus to make enough damage for 120+ pits
I’ve pushed this a bit further, GA Mages on gloves, pants, and GA Hellbent. I’ve double crit all and have a max temper mages and attack twice on a 2GA Scythe. Going for the triple crit is becoming not worth the time…
if you're spamming raise skeleton for flesh eater paragon doesn't it screw with the reanimation aspect of minions needing to be alive for 10 seconds for 40% bonus dmg?
@@xxDR0xx I have not messed with it but, after the ptr I think I'm going to min max it and see how far I can push the pit with it so I will be making a min maxed guide for it most likely next week.
Well the problem is it is based off lucky hit and ontop of that the ring of mendeln scales with your damage not the minions damage so it really would not do much honestly
@@AyaJaboneta well right now with all buffs up my mages can hit for like 50m+ per bolt so idk if you do more testing and it works out good in higher pits let me know, interested to find out
@@XPGamess Hi! Nice build. Mendeln now gives explode every 6 attack. No lucky chance. Need to try it myself one more time. But in my previous testing a legendary ring still gave me a better clear time in 90 lvl pit.
If I had more base crit chance for the minions, like say 90%+ without it I would because that would be more close to worth it but with that aspect currently it puts them close to crit cap which in turn outweighs that aspect with the current setup but if somehow you could hit crit cap with minions or close to it without grasping then yes by all means use it.
you can try dropping blood mist and use aspect of the damned or try starless too... can potentially drop frenized dead and grasping if you stack enough attk spd or crit chance GA with masterwork
Blood mist is just to nice to have especially in high pit tiers so I would not recommend dropping it, starless skies overall would be a bad thing for the build yes you get a 40% multiplier, but you are losing an aspect that is close to that plus ultimate cool down, mage damage, crit chance, att speed, and int/life. I thought about the starless route but in the long run I don't see it being worth it. Not to mention the buff only lasts 3 seconds and we don't cast decrepify often enough with this build to keep it up consistently
Honestly right now I don't see a need for it, but I do plan to replace my amulet in the next couple of days with a Hellbent GA amulet and try to get rank 6 right there. Then push the pit hopefully close to 140 ish or as far as I can go with it and at that point, I may make 1 final guide.
They need to buff the drop rate of certain affixes on gear specifically Hellbent commander... I have been a minion necro main since day 1 of the game releasing and in a year (i play daily almost) i have found 2!!! Amulets with that affixes on it... I love farming in games but this is ridiculous.. i find everything but Hellbent Commander for my necro and envenom for my druid... Only found 2 for necro and 1 for druid. Its crazy annoying. Anyways love the build always fun playing minions.
Hello. I am new to necro. I read that your stats screen showed that your attack speed is 46%. How and where did you get to the point of 90% attack speed?? Thanks for your clarification.
@@Mrzero22 I don't think I will need to but I am going to push the pit with golem today and see how far I can take it, if any changes are needed, I will make an updated guide. Either way I will also post the highest pit tier I do with the golem build.
I am still not convinced that mages are stronger than Golem at max gear. The only benefit for mages are pushing higher pits, maybe. But Golem 1 taps torment bosses, Lilith, Pit bosses, blood maidens, etc push the highest pits. He can do it all.
How does occult dominion on necklace instead stack up? and What about the first shadow mage perk instead of the second one? The math is confusing for me. Also why is aspect reanimation better than aspect of the damned?
The extra bolt is better the 15%x damage since the mages basically shoot 2 for every one. Also one more mage compare to an extra 50% multiplier for 5 mages is not worth it.
@@XPGamess Someone did the math for occult on the amulet. Having the extra mage is a 23% DPS increase vs a 25% increase from having the extra 50x on unyielding. So basically it moves the damage from your burst to consistent DPS. The main downfall is you have to drop grasping veins, but the upside is you can use hardened bones again and be tankier. I've been switching between the 2 setups a lot and I find the extra mage+reaper feels more consistent and gets me through the dungeon slightly faster, while having grasping veins marginally speeds up boss fights. I also prefer the tankiness though since I'm bad at the game lol. I've only pushed a 126 but it was cake, just haven't had a chance to push farther.
@@habib6863 well your losing more then that in damage since you lose grasping veins which brings our mages to crit cap so personally I would not suggest it.
@@XPGamess right that's why I mentioned losing grasping veins is the biggest downside, but if you're not hitting crit cap (I can only currently hit 95) or you don't have maximum uptime on unyielding and someone wanted a tankier option it is definitely viable. Just putting the info out there basically. For the absolute min maxed pushing you would still ideally want grasping veins for sure. I've also noticed that most other mage builds don't run mage glyph and run another multiplier instead, you have any thoughts on that? Also great content keep it up brother!
@@habib6863 thanks man, well I found that running the mage glyph for my setup instead of like another 10% multiplier turned out to be more damage overall for the build. Sometimes when you have a bunch of multipliers already adding more damage to be multiplied can be more damage overall.
Not exactly sure which build you are talking about but as for endgame and gear the options you want to use are going to be similar for BIS. As far as paragon board this is what I came up with it's pretty optimized and yeah the build is tanky for sure with 65k life while using both elixirs and a decent amount of damage reduction even without the hardened bones aspect.
This is the build I was talking about. Gear-wise, basically the same, but I think you might be onto something with the paragon board differences. Today I'll try your paragon setup on my second Necro, and then use the same gear (just switch it over) and, I'll let you know what results I come up with. It might take a little while since I'll have to re-level glyphs and whatnot on the second necro.
My only dispute is having decrepify size. Doesn’t really do anything considering necro is groupikg enemies. You’re best bet is roll a crowd control or curse durations for the DAM REDUC or even a worldly fortune
Well actually when your running through mobs in the higher pits where they do decent amounts of damage I find the size helps a bit to curse everything while you are on the go before grouping them but yes that one is kinda open you can do what you want with it for sure.
I removed the aspect of Unyielding Commander for now. The tooltip doesn't have the [x] for multiplicative damage increase. So is that just another slip up on Blizzard's end? Happy rolling with your mages, keep it going =)
Because if you notice in that board, we have the mage glyph and were trying to get as much int in radius as possible. Don't worry about any of the golem bonuses the board is strictly for lots of int.
good day, tell me how you survive like this? I basically have the same things, except for the amulet, I didn't have a hit deflection on it, but I get demolished very often, I can't just stand and hit mobs like that.
@@XPGamess 2 elixirs? how is it? is this something from paragon board? because I leveled one elixir to level 90. I was just watching your passage through the 130th pit, sometimes you get very little damage, when I was passing through the 120th pit, mobs were directly killed by KDd, and I don't understand how and from where, full hp and then bang and a corpse.
@@Fm_Inter we use that board just for the 65 intelligence in radius to boost our mage damage with the glyph. Dont worry about the golem stuff it doesn't matter
I'm doing my best to get this setup working but I'm struggling to get my Mages % damage over 1.1k and get Attack speed cap; Crit cap AND then try to find a Tyraels might, PAIN
Yeah, it does take a bit of time, I would suggest maybe using a trade website to get gear like Diablo.trade or something like that. Maybe Crimson Market even
I have a mage build too. Nice work, but i don´t understand your chest choise: Tyrael's Might You have 20DR right out of the box with harle, no need too waste 3 masterwork points. If its because the max alles, why don´t you masterwork that skill insteed? PS: I am jealous that you can stand still at that 130 pit fight. I have 2 move and avoid more things :/
Right around 1500% give or take but that is just what the tooltip shows, I also have Summoning Damage in a lot of spots so with that included the number is much higher.
@@dvampire No the numbers will look different, but you have to remember there are 5 mages and only 1 golem so in the long run things pan out pretty evenly between the two in a side-by-side comparison
how do you survive 100+ ? with out the damage reduction codex (im using shakos instead of tyraels but same damage reduction) i get one shot by certain mechanics which cant be avoided
Well some mechanics are one shot and a certain degree of the pit is avoiding those, I get one shotted also just the gameplay you see I don't cause I'm uploading the best clears usually. Also tyreals is vastly better then shako because it gives you maximum to all resistances which helps a ton with survivability
Well, it would come down to min maxing the build and pulling out the most damage you can to test it out which can be a pain rolling all the GA's to the highest rank with the masterwork, lots of time involved.
@@XPGamess Thx for ur reply... I tried like 100 times the 140 with my golem not so close maybe it s possible with a perfect double run and low hp boss as SOL
Dont make my mistake and try to re-roll for hellbent. I spent more than 600m + many, many Angels breath for a hellbent +1. Instead trade. I got a +2 (with GA Crit Chance) for 700-800m If I remember correctly. Dont farm to get that money, farm 1-3 GA items at Helltime instead and sell those items.
@@jimgreene4736 you should check mobalytics the site with the build planner I have in the description but.. there are 4 spots below the glyph with 20 int and the 2 rare nodes knowledge and preservation above the glyph giving 10 each in total equaling 40 int.
@@binocular2011 Not really honestly, they are pretty close all the way around really/ this boss gameplay is old and before a lot of changes I made so now they are doing even more dps by a good margin I just don't have any current tormented gameplay since I have solely been focusing on the pit.
I think this is so funny, your gear has all the things my gear doesn't, and my gear has all the things yours does not. For example, I got tons of mage damage, and on my 2h I also have mage damage; anywhere you can put mage damage on I got it pretty much, sitting at %2500 and could do better if I hit it on mastery. Your gear basically has all the life and damage reduction I do not have. My Tyriael's might has 2 rolls into the increased resistances cap (which is nice for elemental damage reduction don't get me wrong) with the last roll into all stats damn the luck. My 2handed weapon only gives me 60% chance for mages to attack twice, because I figured Mage damage was more important and 60% was already pretty solid for a temper roll as is, but you got me rethinking this strat, and I could try and reroll the masterwork to hit mage damage once, and skelatal cast twice chance once or twice, and that could be fine. My like at the moment is 30k, and I was forced to use a 2h sword, because it had a greater life afix on it, that I hit once in masterwork giving me almost 4k life alone from it where my scythe did not. When I was doing the Golem build, I was sitting at 42k hp without elixirs and 5500% golem damage, however I am having an easier and more fun of a time with the Shadow Mages, glad I sold all my Stygian Stones to fund the build change, and be able to swap and start over, it was well worth it.
Yes, barb is more powerful then mage necro so...? Not understanding your point here, sorry. Conpairing barb and necro is like comparing a Corvette and Lamborghini. Completely different
What's up guys so we recently had the new patch that brought the life of enemies down in the pits a bit and also, I made some changes to the build so I was able to push pit 130 (no holy bolt) and honestly with a few tweaks this build could probably push 140+, this is in my opinion the best you can make mages other than obviously having more ranks to mages/hellbent commander but other then that I think this will be the final guide for the Mages unless something changes, if you have any questions let me know below, Thanks for the visit!
Followed your older guide and this new one, thanks, you've helped my gameplay so much. I struggle with using Abyssal, +10% shadow damage is nice, I'm trying Gravekeeper there it can go up to 18% damage if you're near corpses, plus I walked 3 points down to "Deathmarked" which gives +152% damage to injured enemies, it really helps chunking that last 1/3 of enemies down in Pits. Sorry long message just a long way to say thanks so much, keep the good stuff comin'
Nice build. I used this template on my 2nd necro(we seriously need loadouts) and with a few changes for my personal preference found it to be just as fun as my primary golem build. I do agree the damage is more consistent and ranks to Hellbent Commander really do help.
It’s fun pushing, like 131 Pits. But when you hit a wall, you hit a wall. The problem is no glyph to keep leveling to increase the dmg on the builds, therefore no one can really hit 200.
Nice video, ty for sharing build
The greater affix on the mage points is crazy
Love this build my friend, you have a new sub😀
Definitely gonna farm some gear so i can finally build a top tier character. Thanks for the video!
this looks cool, how does a build like this go against uber lilith, I was clearing pit 100+ easy with my golem build but still couldn't kill her :D cheers!
Thanks for the video guide.
for the shodowBlight key passive does this build need Damage over time bonus on any gear ?
No, we dont deal any/scale damage over time at all
@@XPGamess thanks!
Another great vid, thank you. Question for top players like you - does it matter which item has a certain aspect vs. another item? Understand the benefits of scythes and amulets, but is aspect placing on boots, rings, etc. crucial?
Not at all aspects can go wherever you can fit them in aside from the 2h and amulet.
@@XPGamess Thank You! Top players like you share to put one aspect on boots, another on helm, etc., so the low-level guys like me get a bit confused. This helps. Look forward to your level 150 clear soon 👍
@@djproject1820 hah, idk about 150 that's a bit high
Great Video. 🙏🏻 finally a good Skelett mage video. Like them more then Golem combi on ps. any advice to change if i dont have tyrael? What Aspect and gear stats to Farm 100-110?
Thanks, just get a chest with int/life/res or armor. And put the aspect of hardened bones on it till tyreals
@@XPGamess Thank u! Got a new sub 👌🏻🙏🏻
@@XPGamess which tempers?
@@k0EN1K tendrils or decrep size and life
I have another question is crit chance more important then attack speed if you where going to choose one of them which one would be better?
Hitting the attack speed of 100% for the cult leader node is really important so I would say that comes first honestly but they are both important overall.
Hi xp is gloom and hellbent commander good together on amulet ? Or crit and attack is better?
I would say attack speed and hellbent for sure, then it's up to you
I was Soooo much waiting for this!! T y ❤
Working on the build link and full 130 pit clear link, be up shortly
Hi, im trying your build and its incredible!
What are your thoughts on rolling on the weapon minion attack speed so we can get all the attack speed we need, and get rid of the aspect of the frenzied death?
Thanks!
You don't want to get rid of the chance for mages to fire twice its pretty much double damage nothing will compare to it unfortunately
@@XPGamessthanks! I mean the other roll
@@dkproductostropicales2656 oh, well with the other roll you can only get damage not attack speed
NVM now I understand 😅
Could you please explain for me ( im new player and trying to follow your guide ) what is the benefit of mutation in the last board if the golems are sacrificed ? I just dont understand it please help :) thanks in advance
@@alimelhem8676 we only take that board for the stats on the glyph in radius, the golem stuff does nothing for us so you dont need to worry about it, solely for the glyph
Do you have a suggestion for a poor man's Tyreal's Might? Something to use instead until I get one?
Yeah, just get a chest with int life and a res or like armor roll. then put the aspect of hardened bones on it with life tempering and either grasping veins or decripify size tempering
Xp would you think shadow blight is still viable after ptr or changing build for shadow mages?
Well the changes in the ptr wont go live until season 5. Season 4 is going to stay the same as it is now. Once season 5 comes I will have a new setup together but as of now I haven't dove into it yet. I might be trying out overpower with minions in the ptr. There is lots of content coming in the ptr.
Awesome build. I'm struggling to find resources on this. Why go with the 2h instead of a wand (fast attk speed for mages) + focus for more aspects?
2 reasons, 1 the base att speed doesn't matter mages attack fast as is would rather have more damage overall and secondly by using those we would be losing 120% multiplier by not having blighted aspect on the 2 hander greatly reducing our overall dps by a lot. Personally I would not recommend that and ontop of all that there isnt any other aspects or stats we need with the focus the build has great defense and awesome damage already. This is the best version of mages overall it can only be made better with better masterwork rolls
I use a Wand+Focus to be able to integrate the sacrifice aspect (and more Crit Chance + CDR). Works pretty well for me. Havent tested 2H weapon yet, try this tonight or tomorrow.
@@Brand-2423you can’t really argue unless you’re completing higher content
@@yungtato244 true. I already switched to a 2-H weapon. I havent finished my testing yet, but so far it seems you need the 240% Bonus to make enough damage for 120+ pits
I ran mages for awhile but I couldn't scale them anymore so now I'm run a blight build. Did you try casting blight with bone prison?
Concept sounds good but it would take up another aspect spot and we dont have room for it
@@XPGamess Yeah that's the issue with uniques now. Hard to choose one over those tempering slots.
I’ve pushed this a bit further, GA Mages on gloves, pants, and GA Hellbent. I’ve double crit all and have a max temper mages and attack twice on a 2GA Scythe. Going for the triple crit is becoming not worth the time…
I noticed a couple of pieces with Iron Maiden size. That should be Decrepify right? Just got unlucky?
Yes hah, damn tempering system
Gloom stats better or crit chance better on amulet? Combined with hellbent commander
Crit chance
Thanks!
Thank you so much, really appreciate it!
if you're spamming raise skeleton for flesh eater paragon doesn't it screw with the reanimation aspect of minions needing to be alive for 10 seconds for 40% bonus dmg?
@@pubadubgthreemeninatree8596 no because when they are already alive and your spamming it all it does is heal them not raise them
@@XPGamess awesome. didnt' knmow that
Is this stronger than your Perfected Golem build? Is it worth to swap builds if so?
They are both good honestly
@XPGamess have you had to tweak the Golem build since the patch? I noticed some things changed but there's so much to this game to keep up with lol
@@xxDR0xx I have not messed with it but, after the ptr I think I'm going to min max it and see how far I can push the pit with it so I will be making a min maxed guide for it most likely next week.
@XPGamess awesome! Appreciate the info. Keep up the good work brotha. You're definitely one of the best D4 content creators l
I believe ring of mendeln would play a great part here specially on boosting damage per hit and additional aspd getting rid of frenzied aspect
Well the problem is it is based off lucky hit and ontop of that the ring of mendeln scales with your damage not the minions damage so it really would not do much honestly
well if you have a 100% aspd it procs a lot, i tested it and my minions hit 2m per proc in crit
@@AyaJaboneta well right now with all buffs up my mages can hit for like 50m+ per bolt so idk if you do more testing and it works out good in higher pits let me know, interested to find out
@@XPGamess Hi! Nice build. Mendeln now gives explode every 6 attack. No lucky chance. Need to try it myself one more time. But in my previous testing a legendary ring still gave me a better clear time in 90 lvl pit.
@xpgamess what do u think about replacing grasping with 'sacrificial aspect'? Its been buffed to 50% now
If I had more base crit chance for the minions, like say 90%+ without it I would because that would be more close to worth it but with that aspect currently it puts them close to crit cap which in turn outweighs that aspect with the current setup but if somehow you could hit crit cap with minions or close to it without grasping then yes by all means use it.
I saw someone comment on a different vid that the Reaper cooldown bug was hotfixed.... can you confirm it still works or doesnt? thanks!
@@billsmith9249 As far as I know that is only fixed in the ptr not season 4.
@@XPGamess ok cool,. thanks for quick response! I subscribed!
you can try dropping blood mist and use aspect of the damned or try starless too... can potentially drop frenized dead and grasping if you stack enough attk spd or crit chance GA with masterwork
Blood mist is just to nice to have especially in high pit tiers so I would not recommend dropping it, starless skies overall would be a bad thing for the build yes you get a 40% multiplier, but you are losing an aspect that is close to that plus ultimate cool down, mage damage, crit chance, att speed, and int/life. I thought about the starless route but in the long run I don't see it being worth it. Not to mention the buff only lasts 3 seconds and we don't cast decrepify often enough with this build to keep it up consistently
Hey there, do i really need Apothic aspect ? or can i swap the helm for shako ? thanks in advance
If you want to push high levels of the pit yes you need it, if not you can use shako. I cover that in the gear and aspects section
@@XPGamess thanks for the heads up!
Any chance you might update golem or is there no need?
Honestly right now I don't see a need for it, but I do plan to replace my amulet in the next couple of days with a Hellbent GA amulet and try to get rank 6 right there. Then push the pit hopefully close to 140 ish or as far as I can go with it and at that point, I may make 1 final guide.
They need to buff the drop rate of certain affixes on gear specifically Hellbent commander... I have been a minion necro main since day 1 of the game releasing and in a year (i play daily almost) i have found 2!!! Amulets with that affixes on it... I love farming in games but this is ridiculous.. i find everything but Hellbent Commander for my necro and envenom for my druid... Only found 2 for necro and 1 for druid. Its crazy annoying. Anyways love the build always fun playing minions.
I agree the drop rate for hellbent is pretty bad for sure.
Hello. I am new to necro. I read that your stats screen showed that your attack speed is 46%. How and where did you get to the point of 90% attack speed?? Thanks for your clarification.
46% + the Frenzied Dead aspect of 45% = 90% on Gear + the 10% Minions get in the paragon board = 101%
Love it, what’s your thoughts on golem vs mages? Do you miss the unstoppable from golem?
Appreciate the work
Thanks man, Honestly they are both good they are pretty much neck and neck I think the mages farm faster though and have a bit more survivability
Will you need to/ or will you update your golem build?
@@Mrzero22 I don't think I will need to but I am going to push the pit with golem today and see how far I can take it, if any changes are needed, I will make an updated guide. Either way I will also post the highest pit tier I do with the golem build.
@@XPGamess much appreciated
I am still not convinced that mages are stronger than Golem at max gear. The only benefit for mages are pushing higher pits, maybe. But Golem 1 taps torment bosses, Lilith, Pit bosses, blood maidens, etc push the highest pits. He can do it all.
I happen to have GA Mage mastery on both pants and gloves. Let's hope I don't get golem damage when trying to temper them lol
Tempering is such garbage lol annoys me everytime i find an amazing piece of gear im just nervous to even touch it lol..
Hey xp what potions are u using
Well, I would switch between the 15% att speed and antivennin potion OR the antivennin potion and fortititude 2 potion for lots of life.
How does occult dominion on necklace instead stack up? and What about the first shadow mage perk instead of the second one? The math is confusing for me. Also why is aspect reanimation better than aspect of the damned?
The extra bolt is better the 15%x damage since the mages basically shoot 2 for every one. Also one more mage compare to an extra 50% multiplier for 5 mages is not worth it.
@@XPGamess Someone did the math for occult on the amulet.
Having the extra mage is a 23% DPS increase vs a 25% increase from having the extra 50x on unyielding. So basically it moves the damage from your burst to consistent DPS.
The main downfall is you have to drop grasping veins, but the upside is you can use hardened bones again and be tankier.
I've been switching between the 2 setups a lot and I find the extra mage+reaper feels more consistent and gets me through the dungeon slightly faster, while having grasping veins marginally speeds up boss fights.
I also prefer the tankiness though since I'm bad at the game lol.
I've only pushed a 126 but it was cake, just haven't had a chance to push farther.
@@habib6863 well your losing more then that in damage since you lose grasping veins which brings our mages to crit cap so personally I would not suggest it.
@@XPGamess right that's why I mentioned losing grasping veins is the biggest downside, but if you're not hitting crit cap (I can only currently hit 95) or you don't have maximum uptime on unyielding and someone wanted a tankier option it is definitely viable. Just putting the info out there basically.
For the absolute min maxed pushing you would still ideally want grasping veins for sure.
I've also noticed that most other mage builds don't run mage glyph and run another multiplier instead, you have any thoughts on that?
Also great content keep it up brother!
@@habib6863 thanks man, well I found that running the mage glyph for my setup instead of like another 10% multiplier turned out to be more damage overall for the build. Sometimes when you have a bunch of multipliers already adding more damage to be multiplied can be more damage overall.
So similar to the Gigachad minion's build until it hits the paragon board. So is this build more tanky?
Not exactly sure which build you are talking about but as for endgame and gear the options you want to use are going to be similar for BIS. As far as paragon board this is what I came up with it's pretty optimized and yeah the build is tanky for sure with 65k life while using both elixirs and a decent amount of damage reduction even without the hardened bones aspect.
This is the build I was talking about. Gear-wise, basically the same, but I think you might be onto something with the paragon board differences. Today I'll try your paragon setup on my second Necro, and then use the same gear (just switch it over) and, I'll let you know what results I come up with. It might take a little while since I'll have to re-level glyphs and whatnot on the second necro.
My only dispute is having decrepify size. Doesn’t really do anything considering necro is groupikg enemies. You’re best bet is roll a crowd control or curse durations for the DAM REDUC or even a worldly fortune
Well actually when your running through mobs in the higher pits where they do decent amounts of damage I find the size helps a bit to curse everything while you are on the go before grouping them but yes that one is kinda open you can do what you want with it for sure.
I removed the aspect of Unyielding Commander for now.
The tooltip doesn't have the [x] for multiplicative damage increase.
So is that just another slip up on Blizzard's end?
Happy rolling with your mages, keep it going =)
Yes it is multiplicative, so your losing a ton of damage without it
Thanks, going to drop a "bugged" report for a misleading tooltip
Ohh thank you
Why Do you get Miscreation (golem armor) if you sacrifice the golem?
The int gives the node damage to the mages
Because if you notice in that board, we have the mage glyph and were trying to get as much int in radius as possible. Don't worry about any of the golem bonuses the board is strictly for lots of int.
good day, tell me how you survive like this? I basically have the same things, except for the amulet, I didn't have a hit deflection on it, but I get demolished very often, I can't just stand and hit mobs like that.
Well part of it is positioning and also are you using 2 elixirs?
@@XPGamess 2 elixirs? how is it? is this something from paragon board? because I leveled one elixir to level 90. I was just watching your passage through the 130th pit, sometimes you get very little damage, when I was passing through the 120th pit, mobs were directly killed by KDd, and I don't understand how and from where, full hp and then bang and a corpse.
@@XPGamess tell me, why do you need a hulking monstrosity board if we don't use a golem
@@Fm_Inter we use that board just for the 65 intelligence in radius to boost our mage damage with the glyph. Dont worry about the golem stuff it doesn't matter
@@XPGamess🤔 nice
I'm doing my best to get this setup working but I'm struggling to get my Mages % damage over 1.1k and get Attack speed cap; Crit cap AND then try to find a Tyraels might, PAIN
Yeah, it does take a bit of time, I would suggest maybe using a trade website to get gear like Diablo.trade or something like that. Maybe Crimson Market even
@@XPGamess legend never thought about this; thank you for the video & the info man :)
I have a mage build too. Nice work, but i don´t understand your chest choise: Tyrael's Might
You have 20DR right out of the box with harle, no need too waste 3 masterwork points.
If its because the max alles, why don´t you masterwork that skill insteed?
PS: I am jealous that you can stand still at that 130 pit fight. I have 2 move and avoid more things :/
Well, it's for the dr and max res yes, max res is massive for survivability far exceeding the shako.
@@XPGamess and why you don´t masterwork 3x into max res ? Edit: i would not change the tripple hit on dr for sure :)
How much damage do you have with the wizards?
Right around 1500% give or take but that is just what the tooltip shows, I also have Summoning Damage in a lot of spots so with that included the number is much higher.
@@XPGamess ok thx, in not possible have the same golem power with mage right?
@@dvampire No the numbers will look different, but you have to remember there are 5 mages and only 1 golem so in the long run things pan out pretty evenly between the two in a side-by-side comparison
@@XPGamess ok thx. Now I need find the equipment, after I try your build.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around why you have hulking monstrosity with golem armor and golem damage but no golem. Why not Wither instead?
Those are only for the intelligence nodes or too path to the intelligence nodes for the mage glyph
Here's my problem with trying to get good rolls ATM..
Barrier regeneration.. barrier regeneration... barrier rege.....😭😭😂
at least we see huge damage numbers all over the screen. ohhh boy some will never learn
Huh?
Nice! I'll definitely try your build. I'm at 120 atm.
how do you survive 100+ ? with out the damage reduction codex (im using shakos instead of tyraels but same damage reduction) i get one shot by certain mechanics which cant be avoided
Well some mechanics are one shot and a certain degree of the pit is avoiding those, I get one shotted also just the gameplay you see I don't cause I'm uploading the best clears usually. Also tyreals is vastly better then shako because it gives you maximum to all resistances which helps a ton with survivability
@@XPGamess Like the sea women that summons pools under you, they are instant and kill me before i can move
@@robs6545 yeah shes annoying for sure, one of my least favorite bosses
what kind of numbers are you getting per shot during buffs from each attack >?
@@robs6545 I have seen single ticks of over 50mil each from one bolt with buffs up
Does "damage while fortified" work on your minions?
Yes, because you get the damage while fortified and your minions inherit 100% of your stats now
No it does not.
@@CalebW451 yes, your minions get all of your stats and damage. Go do some research
@@XPGamess have you checked your stats while fortified in the dummy room? % dmg while fortified does not work on minions it’s been addressed before.
@@CalebW451 Your damage is boosted while fortified, and in turn anything that boosts your damage your minions gain because they get your damage.
why you dont push the shadowblight bonus ?
We only take the key passive to proc the blighted aspect. We scale our minions damage not shadowblight so it is not worth doing anything with it.
Necro Golem works still well till 139...but what about after 140 ? for mage... for golem....
Well, it would come down to min maxing the build and pulling out the most damage you can to test it out which can be a pain rolling all the GA's to the highest rank with the masterwork, lots of time involved.
@@XPGamess Thx for ur reply... I tried like 100 times the 140 with my golem not so close maybe it s possible with a perfect double run and low hp boss as SOL
where would i start to farm for the gear ?
Once you hit a certain level 925 gear can drop anywhere, but helltides are good, lots of legendarys and chests with legendarys
@@XPGamess thank you so much !!
I've been running your old build since you posted it and I still haven't seen a single amulet with hellbent commander on it. RNG hates me.
Aw man that's harsh
Dont make my mistake and try to re-roll for hellbent. I spent more than 600m + many, many Angels breath for a hellbent +1.
Instead trade. I got a +2 (with GA Crit Chance) for 700-800m If I remember correctly. Dont farm to get that money, farm 1-3 GA items at Helltime instead and sell those items.
Why can't I change the resolution of this video quality It's saying unavailable please look into the issue admin
I think that may be an issue on your end because I'm having no trouble with it
@@XPGamess i don't know other videos are playing fine only this one having problem.
@@nahidenam6521 hmm weird I'm not sure what it is.
Why the golem rare node MUTATION if we are not even using golems?
It's either for the intelligence with our mage glyph or to get to intelligence for our mage glyph
Been hearing a lot of talk about Blood Begets Blood to be included. Not interested in that?
No, it's not a damage boost its actually a loss of damage and survivability overall with everything you lose.
@XPGamess @XPGamess also sounded harder to utilize and play properly so I was iffy about it. What should be used until I craft this Tyraels?
@@TeX11Gaming get a chest with int/life/res or armor and put aphotic aspect on that and hardened bones aspect on the helm till you can get tyreals
Dumb question. How are you unlocking Amplify on the board when you only have 20 intelligence in your radius and it requires 40?
There is 40 in radius, did you level your glyph to 15 to get the larger radius?
It’s at 16 now. I’m on PlayStation. Does that make a difference? It’s say 4 radius is the max at 15. Can’t put it in.
Looked at the video again. I see the 3 under the glyph and one bottom right of the red radius. Where are the other four?
@@jimgreene4736 you should check mobalytics the site with the build planner I have in the description but.. there are 4 spots below the glyph with 20 int and the 2 rare nodes knowledge and preservation above the glyph giving 10 each in total equaling 40 int.
can you show a 200 tormented boss please !
ruclips.net/video/3hG1e6RoxPo/видео.htmlsi=WAG0NcW0FxnS2of2&t=1183
@@XPGamess thx. but Golem better dps or?
@@binocular2011 Not really honestly, they are pretty close all the way around really/ this boss gameplay is old and before a lot of changes I made so now they are doing even more dps by a good margin I just don't have any current tormented gameplay since I have solely been focusing on the pit.
Can this work without tyrael might ?
Yeah
@@XPGamesswas about to ask the same thing, but what do you recommend for someone to run if they do not yet have a Tyrel’s Might
@@CharbobJR Run a regular chest with int life res/armor and the hardened bones aspect. For tempers get life and either tendrils size or decrep size
@@XPGamess thank you so much. I’m going to recommend you to everyone that I know plays this game you absolute legend
@@XPGamess thanks mate
How do u get so much essence back I don't have any of that
@@darkelf547 by consuming corpses constantly because of the skill tree we get essence for each one.
@@XPGamess only with corpse tendrils and casting new skeletons?
@@darkelf547 yes
@@XPGamess I don't understand why this build is better than your previous one, sorry I'm a noob :(
I think this is so funny, your gear has all the things my gear doesn't, and my gear has all the things yours does not. For example, I got tons of mage damage, and on my 2h I also have mage damage; anywhere you can put mage damage on I got it pretty much, sitting at %2500 and could do better if I hit it on mastery. Your gear basically has all the life and damage reduction I do not have. My Tyriael's might has 2 rolls into the increased resistances cap (which is nice for elemental damage reduction don't get me wrong) with the last roll into all stats damn the luck. My 2handed weapon only gives me 60% chance for mages to attack twice, because I figured Mage damage was more important and 60% was already pretty solid for a temper roll as is, but you got me rethinking this strat, and I could try and reroll the masterwork to hit mage damage once, and skelatal cast twice chance once or twice, and that could be fine. My like at the moment is 30k, and I was forced to use a 2h sword, because it had a greater life afix on it, that I hit once in masterwork giving me almost 4k life alone from it where my scythe did not.
When I was doing the Golem build, I was sitting at 42k hp without elixirs and 5500% golem damage, however I am having an easier and more fun of a time with the Shadow Mages, glad I sold all my Stygian Stones to fund the build change, and be able to swap and start over, it was well worth it.
That is funny man
how do you heal so fast just standing there
@@WintersGao just popping potions really
@@XPGamess the video you showed had a life on hit, I thought that did the magic, I tried myself, less damage but can stand still
Any 1have the paragone board
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I can't find the link to the new paragon board
@@mid-west-di-cutter3643 it's in the description
wow
even a Necromancer can be a mage better than a Sorcerer, sadge
Right, sorcs need some help for sure
😂😂😂 damn right! I looked at the Immortal Firebolt build and saw the gears lol safe to say I am out! Ain’t no way I’ll get them gears!
WW barb also on 130)
Yes, barb is more powerful then mage necro so...? Not understanding your point here, sorry. Conpairing barb and necro is like comparing a Corvette and Lamborghini. Completely different
If it was "bricked" then you couldn't use it, but you ARE using it.
Well had you paid attention I said the temper was bricked not the item hence the fact I'm still using it
yeah right after pit nerf say 130 is good))
Yes 130 is good for mages, how far is your mage build pushing?