This is a link to the shieks channel for whoever wants to learn more about the Ashari position on issues of aqeedah ruclips.net/video/MkFRi0RjkII/видео.htmlsi=05BMPjoxHke3YHFC below is the time stamp 00:00 Introduction 3:00 how did the Ashari/Athari issue start 10:00 Do asharis deny the attributes of Allah 20:00 Do Asharis believe that Allah acts with wisdom 33:00 Do you agree with the Hanbali Mathhab 53:00 Can there be unity between asharis and Salafis 1:00:00 Final message
Putting the attributes of Allah aside, Haroon Kanj is a call to major shirk as he believes in the permissibility of istighatha to other than Allah such as calling upon the saints for help and the dead in their grave.
@@squidguard1 That is not true, The Mutazila said it's shirk way before these individuals you mentioned, for example here is a text from the 9th century of a mutazilite Scholar: Shirk, as an intricate concept, not only involves manifest acts of association but also encompasses subtleties of belief and disposition. It is equally possible to commit shirk through the excess veneration of pious individuals, equating them to the status of Allāh or seeking help from them in matters exclusively within the divine domain (al-Jahiz, al-Bayan wa-al-Tabyin).
Praise be to Allah. These people who interpret the Qur’aan in this manner, whether they are called Ash’aris or some other name, have gone astray from the path of the righteous salaf. Not even one letter of what these people say in their misinterpretations has been narrated from the righteous salaf. Let them bring one word from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or from Abu Bakr, or ‘Umar, or ‘Uthmaan, or ‘Ali, to say that they interpreted Allaah’s hand as meaning His power, or that they interpreted His being above the Throne (istiwaa’) as referring to His Sovereignty, or that they interpreted His Face as meaning reward, or that they interpreted His love as meaning reward, etc. Let them produce one word from them to show that they interpreted these aayahs and similar verses in the manner that these people interpret them. If they cannot produce any such thing, let it be said that either the righteous salaf, headed by the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), the leader of the pious, were unaware of the meaning of this tremendous ‘aqeedah (of Islam), or they did know it but they concealed the truth. But neither of these can be said of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or of any of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs, or of his Companions (may Allaah be pleased with them). If that is the case then we have to follow their path (the path of the Prophet and the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs). My advice to these people is to fear Allaah and to abandon what So and so said, and to come back to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and the way of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs who came after him. They should know that there will come a Day when they will return to Allaah, when they will not be able to use the opinion of So and so as evidence. By Allaah, So and so will not be able to help them on that Day. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And (remember) the Day (Allaah) will call to them, and say: ‘What answer gave you to the Messengers?’” [al-Qasas 28:65]
All my shuyukh were followers of the athari school, whether they were Maliki, Hanafi or Hanbali. None of them advocated any form of polemics against the Asha'ira and Maturidiyya. Rather, they taught us that the 3 schools are all part of ahl al sunnah and stressed the need for unity. These influencers of today creating animosity do not resemble in any way, shape or form the character and teachings of the shuyukh we studied with.
True. It’s a 1000+ year old debate on methodology. Both agreed there’s nothing like Allah. Both agreed Allah is transcendental. Both agreed everything is decreed by Allah at the same time we are responsible for our choices. Time to move on.
It’s not necessarily the opinions of the different scholars that cause sectarianism, it’s separating oneself from the Jama’ah that causes it. Many sectarians have false belief, but the majority in 2024 are the ones who cause division regardless of opinions. If you separate yourself from a Muslim because you’re a Hanafi and he’s Shafi in fiqhi opinions, you’re a sectarian even though both scholars were on truth. Muslims are a single body. There would never be a need for a mujadid if we didn’t need guidance from a scholar or an imam every so often.
Praise be to Allah. These people who interpret the Qur’aan in this manner, whether they are called Ash’aris or some other name, have gone astray from the path of the righteous salaf. Not even one letter of what these people say in their misinterpretations has been narrated from the righteous salaf. Let them bring one word from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or from Abu Bakr, or ‘Umar, or ‘Uthmaan, or ‘Ali, to say that they interpreted Allaah’s hand as meaning His power, or that they interpreted His being above the Throne (istiwaa’) as referring to His Sovereignty, or that they interpreted His Face as meaning reward, or that they interpreted His love as meaning reward, etc. Let them produce one word from them to show that they interpreted these aayahs and similar verses in the manner that these people interpret them. If they cannot produce any such thing, let it be said that either the righteous salaf, headed by the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), the leader of the pious, were unaware of the meaning of this tremendous ‘aqeedah (of Islam), or they did know it but they concealed the truth. But neither of these can be said of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or of any of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs, or of his Companions (may Allaah be pleased with them). If that is the case then we have to follow their path (the path of the Prophet and the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs). My advice to these people is to fear Allaah and to abandon what So and so said, and to come back to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and the way of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs who came after him. They should know that there will come a Day when they will return to Allaah, when they will not be able to use the opinion of So and so as evidence. By Allaah, So and so will not be able to help them on that Day. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And (remember) the Day (Allaah) will call to them, and say: ‘What answer gave you to the Messengers?’” [al-Qasas 28:65]
Allah exists now as Allah existed before creating any of the creations, and all of the attributes of Allah are Eternal without a beginning and Everlasting without an ending. Before there was a throne or directions, Allah existed. After creating the throne and the places and directions, Allah did not CHANGE or become in need of any of the creations!! Allah is not in need of any of the creations.
If you believe that Allah is above something by direction, then you have likened Allah to the creations by attributing Change to Allah. You have attributed neediness to Allah and this is blasphemy!!!
@mrsulaiman19, Waalaykassallaam my brother, I appreciate the concern, Allah reward you. I’m not a full time streamer;When I am free, I try to take advantage of that.
Personally if anyone is honest only the Ashaira Wal Maturidiya are the standard of ahlus sunnah Wal jamah and some of the fudala of Hanabila who did not go into extreme litralism. The salafis are more modern and linked to the najdi dawah. The vast majority of the Ummah for 1200 years have been ashari Wal maturidi. This is why the early salaf criticised muqatil bin sulaiman and the salafis try and defend him this should be alarming.
The irony that the ashari Creed was formed by a man that grew up in the household of the leader of the mutazalites, was upon it for 40 years suddenly became the imam of Ahlul sunnah is nuts.
He became the one who destroyed the ideology of the mutazila plus the companions were all Kuffar and then suddenly became the best of creation behind the prophets
@classicalislam brother i am really positively surprised by this video and you attitude mashallah, very wise, respectful, brotherly, professional and sincere, thank you brother for this much needed show of example of how we should get along.
The simple fact that the timeline of this particular creed starts at Abu Hasan al-Ash'ari tells you that it was not the creed of the Sahabah, unless someone is bold enough to say the Prophet and Sahabah were Asharis....
@Alakhana LOL you have 0 logic. Atharis/Ahlul Hadith mean people who stick to the Athars people who stick to the Ahadith. If you look at what the beliefs of the Asha'ira are now you can not claim the Messenger Of Allah ﷺ was Ashari or neither the Sahaba. You really think they were upon an incorrect creed until Abu'l Hassan Al Ashari arrived centuries later. Authubillah. Asharis and Maturidis are not Ahlul Sunnah and the 4 Imams were upon the Athari creed and understanding like us Alhamdulilah
@AbuYusuf-fz5bt Ibn Taymiyyah literally refers to Athari’s as “Hanbali”, it’s well know that Athari’s were known to be Hanbali in Creed. So are you going to claim the Sahaba were Hanbali ? And the creed of Imam Abu Hanifa and his students is apparent, look at books like Fiqh Al Akbar and Aqeedah Al Tahawiyyah which negate place,direction and body for Allah.
@AbuYusuf-fz5bt also if you believe that Ashari’s and Maturidis are not Ahlus Sunnah (according to Ibn Taymiyyah they are) then do you believe that the majority of Hanafi,Maliki and Shafi’i scholars were not Sunni and Hanbalis like Ibn Jawzi and Ibn Aqil weren’t Sunni ?
I wanted to add, the whole saved sect part of the hadith mentioned about the 73 sects, this part of the hadith is not authentic, neither is the part in another wording of the same hadith that all off them in jannah except one. So all of them in hell except one and all off them except one are not authentic parts of the hadith, but we see the salafiyah an every sect use this hadith to claim they are upon the haqq. Even though Allah subhanahu wa taala already told us thoroughly about the traits of the believers in the quran.
Imām al-Barbahārī (rahimahullāh, died 329 AH) stated: “Know that Allah’s Messenger (salallāhu ‘alaihi wasallam) said: “My ummah will divide into 73 sects, all of them will be in the Fire except for one…” This narration is authentic when its various chains and wordings are gathered together. The scholars have reported it and praised its authenticity; and the reality of the ummah further proves it's truthfulness
@@youragronk6208 and? The Anthropomorphist Albarbahari mentioned it without any Isnad. The zyadah Is still weak in the matters of the chain of narration and matn.
How beautiful is our deen! I personally consider both the Sunni Ash'aris/Maturidis/Atharis & the Salafis as Muslims. The difference in the Aqidah and the Manhaj needs to be discussed without any animosity or hostility or be totally left alone. But there should be no speculation. Imam Ahmad's position is my personal pick.
People who doubt the wisdom or purpose of creation dont say that evil doesn't have wisdom, they argue that what is the overall net effect of it all. If there was no creation, there would be no evil or disobedience. So some wisdom we will never know with our limited knowledge and experience.
I had to pause the video at around the 19-minute mark to ask a question about the ambiguous verses and those who seek a clear understanding of them. If individuals are indeed searching for the precise meaning of these verses, wouldn't they realize that these verses pertain to them? Wouldn't that awareness lead them to reconsider their pursuit of clarification, since Allah (SWT) is addressing them directly?
Praise be to Allah. These people who interpret the Qur’aan in this manner, whether they are called Ash’aris or some other name, have gone astray from the path of the righteous salaf. Not even one letter of what these people say in their misinterpretations has been narrated from the righteous salaf. Let them bring one word from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or from Abu Bakr, or ‘Umar, or ‘Uthmaan, or ‘Ali, to say that they interpreted Allaah’s hand as meaning His power, or that they interpreted His being above the Throne (istiwaa’) as referring to His Sovereignty, or that they interpreted His Face as meaning reward, or that they interpreted His love as meaning reward, etc. Let them produce one word from them to show that they interpreted these aayahs and similar verses in the manner that these people interpret them. If they cannot produce any such thing, let it be said that either the righteous salaf, headed by the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), the leader of the pious, were unaware of the meaning of this tremendous ‘aqeedah (of Islam), or they did know it but they concealed the truth. But neither of these can be said of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or of any of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs, or of his Companions (may Allaah be pleased with them). If that is the case then we have to follow their path (the path of the Prophet and the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs). My advice to these people is to fear Allaah and to abandon what So and so said, and to come back to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and the way of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs who came after him. They should know that there will come a Day when they will return to Allaah, when they will not be able to use the opinion of So and so as evidence. By Allaah, So and so will not be able to help them on that Day. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And (remember) the Day (Allaah) will call to them, and say: ‘What answer gave you to the Messengers?’” [al-Qasas 28:65]
I embraced Islam in 2002 and I still don’t understand either. Alhumdulillah, I just keep all my hope in Allah’s Mercy and ask Allah to guide me to what pleases Him and beg Him to forgive my transgressions.
Praise be to Allah. These people who interpret the Qur’aan in this manner, whether they are called Ash’aris or some other name, have gone astray from the path of the righteous salaf. Not even one letter of what these people say in their misinterpretations has been narrated from the righteous salaf. Let them bring one word from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or from Abu Bakr, or ‘Umar, or ‘Uthmaan, or ‘Ali, to say that they interpreted Allaah’s hand as meaning His power, or that they interpreted His being above the Throne (istiwaa’) as referring to His Sovereignty, or that they interpreted His Face as meaning reward, or that they interpreted His love as meaning reward, etc. Let them produce one word from them to show that they interpreted these aayahs and similar verses in the manner that these people interpret them. If they cannot produce any such thing, let it be said that either the righteous salaf, headed by the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), the leader of the pious, were unaware of the meaning of this tremendous ‘aqeedah (of Islam), or they did know it but they concealed the truth. But neither of these can be said of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or of any of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs, or of his Companions (may Allaah be pleased with them). If that is the case then we have to follow their path (the path of the Prophet and the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs). My advice to these people is to fear Allaah and to abandon what So and so said, and to come back to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and the way of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs who came after him. They should know that there will come a Day when they will return to Allaah, when they will not be able to use the opinion of So and so as evidence. By Allaah, So and so will not be able to help them on that Day. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And (remember) the Day (Allaah) will call to them, and say: ‘What answer gave you to the Messengers?’” [al-Qasas 28:65]
This is an error on your part, The Mutazila do not say that Allah is bound to be just by the demand/design or wish of something, they say he is bound to be just because he prescibed upon himself Justice and mercy, and prohibited upon himself opression and injustice. Mu'tazalites do not believe that reason and justice are 'above' Allah, nor that Allah's Will is 'bound' by higher laws of justice and ethics. Rather unlike you they Believe that Allah SWT is consistent with His own attributes of compassion, wisdom, goodness and justice. That is, Allah's decisions, are consistent and coherent with the attributes of His own Being. So because His Being is purely compassionate, wise, good and just; it follows that His actions will also be.
@@thispodcastisnotimportant6667 what makes sense is that those that continue to lie and misrepresent parts of the ummah for the sake of continued division in the ummah of Muhammad SAS, will be left behind and forgotten. The ummah is dealing with much greater issues, the blood of the Muslims is being shed in the hundreds of thousands. Who believes that God SWT is amoral.
Masterclass session. I hope our brothers and sisters take away the overall message, i.e there are greater concerns facing us as an Ummah at this particular moment in time which take priority and demand unity. Leave the discussion to those scholarly persons which are well versed and if you can't at least leave it till a time of luxury.
Praise be to Allah. These people who interpret the Qur’aan in this manner, whether they are called Ash’aris or some other name, have gone astray from the path of the righteous salaf. Not even one letter of what these people say in their misinterpretations has been narrated from the righteous salaf. Let them bring one word from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or from Abu Bakr, or ‘Umar, or ‘Uthmaan, or ‘Ali, to say that they interpreted Allaah’s hand as meaning His power, or that they interpreted His being above the Throne (istiwaa’) as referring to His Sovereignty, or that they interpreted His Face as meaning reward, or that they interpreted His love as meaning reward, etc. Let them produce one word from them to show that they interpreted these aayahs and similar verses in the manner that these people interpret them. If they cannot produce any such thing, let it be said that either the righteous salaf, headed by the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), the leader of the pious, were unaware of the meaning of this tremendous ‘aqeedah (of Islam), or they did know it but they concealed the truth. But neither of these can be said of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or of any of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs, or of his Companions (may Allaah be pleased with them). If that is the case then we have to follow their path (the path of the Prophet and the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs). My advice to these people is to fear Allaah and to abandon what So and so said, and to come back to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and the way of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs who came after him. They should know that there will come a Day when they will return to Allaah, when they will not be able to use the opinion of So and so as evidence. By Allaah, So and so will not be able to help them on that Day. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And (remember) the Day (Allaah) will call to them, and say: ‘What answer gave you to the Messengers?’” [al-Qasas 28:65]
@@Abdullah-c1j2t Alhamdulillah, For your information brother; I don't concern myself with these detailed discussions. My focus is on the fundamentals and the realization that I will be held accountable for my actions, i.e adherance to the Halal and Haraam, and that what has been ascribed upon my soul in terms of obligations, striving to attain the Good Pleasure of Allah swt. With that in mind I do not delve into theoretical philosophies or discussions, rather focus on the practical application that the Aqeedah demands. The Adress of the Legislator holds us responsible for acting upon it and striving to change that which is in contradiction with it. So jazakallahukhairan for your comment, yet this is my take.
Sheikh, I have some constructive criticism: please avoid using verbal nods while the guest is speaking, as it can be somewhat distracting. Jazakhallah ❤️ Edit : It seems that the microphone didn't pick up your audio clearly, as the volume is a bit low. For future videos, please consider adjusting the settings to enhance the sound quality.
@@lost_poet_ 🤣🤣🤣. I was hoping no-one would notice my continued verbal nods, I was cringing listening to it. It’s my first podcast, so inshallah, there was a lot to learn from it. Jzk.
21:25 No you are necessitating that we as Ahlus Sunnah are doing that. You are insisting that the affirmation of the literal meaning MUST be an attempt to make Allah like His creation. It’s simple and it’s where the salaf obviously stopped. ليس كمثله شي ولم يكن له كفوا أحد
@@lost_poet_ tafweed means that you leave the meaning to Allah and the how to Allah; as opposed to affirming a literal hand, but then saying we don’t know how Allah’s hand is. I don’t understand what you mean by shuhr.
It's not the time to talk about these topics. It's time to prepare to liberate our lands. Other talks are distractions. The best side is who sends more men and technology to defend our lands.
Yes, the Atharis are either sunni (Mufawwiḍah) or mujassimah (ahlal biddah). Asharis and Maturidhis have tafweed as well, and in some aspects taweel. I'm not sure what the issue is.
I am Irish and was brought up Catholic. I am now agnostic and follow No religion and have no desire to do so. In ireland i witnessed religious bigotry on both sides---- Catholic and Protestant. I am quite amazed at the religious bigotry that exists in Islam. It claims to be the one true religion. Why so much bigotry?
@charlievaughan1308 human beings are not angels and they will always commit errors and mistakes; but Islam focus on brotherhood and unity, that’s why you will see Muslims always come together on causes for other Muslims regardless of differences between them; you don’t see the same from other religions
If your claiming Shams is getting exposed then one could claim the same thing about Gazans that Allah has finally exposed Hamaz and Hamaz sympathizers. This type of connecting dots doesn't make sense.
Salahuddin Al-Ayyubi رحمه الله was asked: Why do you fight the Shiites in Egypt (Fatimids) and leave the Crusaders in Jerusalem? He answered: "I will not fight the Crusaders (in Palestine) while my back is exposed to the Shias." Ahlul Sunnah will liberate Palestine, we who respects all the Sahabas (ra). Turkiye, KSA, all Gulf States & all Sunni Muslims of South East Asia will see to it that Syria will stay a Home of a strong Ahlul Sunnah & Ahlul Hadith. 🤝✊️🇵🇸🍉
Praise be to Allah. These people who interpret the Qur’aan in this manner, whether they are called Ash’aris or some other name, have gone astray from the path of the righteous salaf. Not even one letter of what these people say in their misinterpretations has been narrated from the righteous salaf. Let them bring one word from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or from Abu Bakr, or ‘Umar, or ‘Uthmaan, or ‘Ali, to say that they interpreted Allaah’s hand as meaning His power, or that they interpreted His being above the Throne (istiwaa’) as referring to His Sovereignty, or that they interpreted His Face as meaning reward, or that they interpreted His love as meaning reward, etc. Let them produce one word from them to show that they interpreted these aayahs and similar verses in the manner that these people interpret them. If they cannot produce any such thing, let it be said that either the righteous salaf, headed by the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), the leader of the pious, were unaware of the meaning of this tremendous ‘aqeedah (of Islam), or they did know it but they concealed the truth. But neither of these can be said of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or of any of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs, or of his Companions (may Allaah be pleased with them). If that is the case then we have to follow their path (the path of the Prophet and the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs). My advice to these people is to fear Allaah and to abandon what So and so said, and to come back to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and the way of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs who came after him. They should know that there will come a Day when they will return to Allaah, when they will not be able to use the opinion of So and so as evidence. By Allaah, So and so will not be able to help them on that Day. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And (remember) the Day (Allaah) will call to them, and say: ‘What answer gave you to the Messengers?’” [al-Qasas 28:65]
Praise be to Allah. These people who interpret the Qur’aan in this manner, whether they are called Ash’aris or some other name, have gone astray from the path of the righteous salaf. Not even one letter of what these people say in their misinterpretations has been narrated from the righteous salaf. Let them bring one word from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or from Abu Bakr, or ‘Umar, or ‘Uthmaan, or ‘Ali, to say that they interpreted Allaah’s hand as meaning His power, or that they interpreted His being above the Throne (istiwaa’) as referring to His Sovereignty, or that they interpreted His Face as meaning reward, or that they interpreted His love as meaning reward, etc. Let them produce one word from them to show that they interpreted these aayahs and similar verses in the manner that these people interpret them. If they cannot produce any such thing, let it be said that either the righteous salaf, headed by the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), the leader of the pious, were unaware of the meaning of this tremendous ‘aqeedah (of Islam), or they did know it but they concealed the truth. But neither of these can be said of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or of any of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs, or of his Companions (may Allaah be pleased with them). If that is the case then we have to follow their path (the path of the Prophet and the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs). My advice to these people is to fear Allaah and to abandon what So and so said, and to come back to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and the way of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs who came after him. They should know that there will come a Day when they will return to Allaah, when they will not be able to use the opinion of So and so as evidence. By Allaah, So and so will not be able to help them on that Day. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And (remember) the Day (Allaah) will call to them, and say: ‘What answer gave you to the Messengers?’” [al-Qasas 28:65]
As a salafi I watched it. Most of the time was spent discussing what something isn't, without showing us what their stance is (possibly to avoid embarrassment)
Maybe if everyone exposes mistakes of their own scholars instead of flexing 💪 them on others (by claiming they are Awlia) then we will be united on EVIDENCE! Evidence Unites, Opinions Divide!
Wow! Its truly disappointing how you even gave this guy a platform in front of your audience. The salaf would not take a letter from Ahlul bidah and you do a 1 hour+ podcast with a full blown mubtadi’ الله المستعان
@@africandawahrevival yes, it was. 🤣🤣. Mashallah, you are actually one of the most intelligent brothers I have heard speaking about this issue. Your channel deserves a much larger following.
@@classicalislam Jazakumullah Khair brother, I am honoured by this and you brought a good person on the channel, Sh Haroon is knowledgeable and always complements my videos whenever he could. Keep it up, we need more channels like yours.
These issues of sectors are to separate us ,sunni ,salafi,shia etc the prophet wasnt non of those he was a Muslim period stop this nosense, i will never reffer to my self to any sector can some one tell me if that will take to hell, i belive in Allah and dat Prophet Muhammad is his messager full stop ,no stupid sectors
We do. In fact, we Ahl al- Sunnah (Ashairah, al Maaturidiyyah and the fudalaa of Hanabilah) we say alaihim al salaam to the Ahl-al -Bayt (alaihimussalaam). ❤
Day Dia Diaty...there where 365 idols around the kabbah....one for each day... infront of each idol is a fire 🔥 know as a Dia.. Day Dia Diaty all same word
@@jamielsaddiq9692 Blasphemous would be if it is said that He is bound to be just by the wish/demand/ design of his creation. That is not what The Mutazila say. They say he is bound to be Just because HE prescribed upon HIMSELF mercy and justice and prohibited for HIMSELF Injustice.
@@jamielsaddiq9692 Blasphemous would be if it is said that He is bound to be just by the wish/demand of his creation. That is not what The Mutazila say. They say he is bound to be Just because HE prescribed upon HIMSELF mercy and justice and prohibited HIMSELF from Injustice. And you know that Allah SWT does not transgress his rule, and you know that he does not break his promise and that he is truthfull in what he conveys.
The Mutazila do not say that Allah swt is bound to be just by the wish/demand/ design of his creation.They say he is bound to be Just because HE prescribed upon HIMSELF mercy and justice and prohibited HIMSELF from Injustice. It is NOT because it has been made obligtory to him. The Mu'tazalites do not believe that reason and justice are 'above' God, nor that God's Will is 'bound' by higher laws of justice and ethics. Rather, the Mu'tazalites belief that Allah is consistent with His own attributes of compassion, wisdom, goodness and justice. That is, God's decisions, His guidance and His will, all must be consistent and coherent with the attributes of His own Being. So because His Being is purely compassionate, wise, good and just; it follows that His actions will also be.
@@jamielsaddiq9692 This is an error on your part, The Mutazila do not say that Allah is bound to be just by the demand/design or wish of something, they say he is bound to be just because he prescibed upon himself Justice and mercy, and prohibited upon himself opression and injustice. Mu'tazalites do not believe that reason and justice are 'above' Allah, nor that Allah's Will is 'bound' by higher laws of justice and ethics. Rather unlike you they Believe that Allah SWT is consistent with His own attributes of compassion, wisdom, goodness and justice. That is, Allah's decisions are consistent and coherent with the attributes of His own Being. So because His Being is purely compassionate, wise, good and just it follows that His actions will also be.
Salam for the record the work by the salafee movement a translation of the works of imam albanee. The fundementals of the salafee methodology which can be downloaded from the salafee websites. Their scholars in that work confirm that ibn qudama al maqdisi was upon tafweed. They say its the worst of methodology but at the same time that the Imam was an Imam of the sunnah lol. Go figure 😁.
ikr! In the little salafites mind, they were a Utopic society and they were the best we could ever hope to achieve but in reality they were in one of the most unstable eras of Islam.
Those who follow the As-Salaf us-Salih. Refers to the first and best three generations of Muslims. They are the Companions (Sahabah) of the Prophet ﷺ, their immediate followers (Tabiun), and the followers of the Tabi'in.
@@Alhamdulila786 Exactly. Then, came these people like Al-Juwayni, Al-Bajuri, Fakhruddin Al-Razi, Ramadan Al-Buti, these scholars of the Asha’irah saying the Quran that we recite is created.
The Quran is an attribute of Allah so to claim the Quran is created is saying that at one point Allah was without that attribute and that would be a sign of imperfection for Allah and this is impossible.
@@Muhammad_Nuruddinour voice and the letters we pronounce are created. This is what they mean when they say their recital of the Quran is created. Not that the Quran itself is created.
Its ironic that you follow the creed named after a man who had a mu'tazili upbringing and spent much of his life as a mu'tazili...this whole thing is dishonest
Assalamualikum. The issue with what the sheikh is saying is contradictory. One one side, he has problems with literalism but then he says why Salafis are adding their words when taking about Allah. And if you think about it, asharis are the ones that delve more into interpretation than Atharis. That’s why the safe position is to believe everything as Allah revealed it without adding words. The second issue is with Muhkamat vs Mutashabihat. How would you identify which is which. One Ayat that you consider mutashabeh might be muhkam for others. Do As‘aris have any objective way to distinguish between the two? No. So, again Athari position seems to he correct
Brother i enjoy your videos and i love you for the sake of Allah swt. May Allah swt reward you, forgive your sins and enter you into jannah insha'allah. Please brother avoid these kind of discussion. There is no benefit in it. Whats the point? Walahi serious question??? We hear and we obey. How Allah operates is beyond our small tiny minds. Early on in the converstaion the brother mentioned what Allah swt says about himself we affirm anything else we leave. That is where the conversation should have ended. You refute jake he will refute you back another person will make a video of this refuting you. Whats the point? Your videos supporting the muslims who are oppressed are of far greater importance than refutations of non scholars. May Allah swt reward you and preserve you my brother. May Allah swt bless this ummah forgive us and make we all meet in jannah by Allah swt's mercy insha'allah. Allahu akbar.
@@abdisaeed6883 Jzk for the advice my brother, this was not made as a refutation of any individual. I try and deal with issues that I think are important on my channel. The Ashari/athari discussion is a major discussion that continues online and much division is caused through this issue. So I want to speak to Shieks that can explain their positions to the audience instead of the audience listening to the lies that are spread. The intention is to spread awareness and ultimately overcome the division of these issues and unite the ummah to deal with the bigger issues that threaten Islam and Muslims. My intention is not to make continuous refutations with individuals on this issue. I also love you for the sake of Allah my brother, Allah reward you for the advice.
@classicalislam Walahi brother, I don't question your intentions. I view you to be a very sincere brother who is courageous in enjoining the good and forbidding the evil masha'allah. May Allah swt weigh your good deeds heavy on the scales. Unfortunately, though, we live in the era of social media cults. Look at the followers of Daniel Hagigatou. It doesn't matter what evidence you provide to them they follow him blindly. Your fans will follow you, and whoever dislikes the ashaira will follow the people who dislike them. In this era of information, there is no excuse not to learn the truth of the matter. Ultimately Allah swt tell us to call ourselves "muslims" not athari or ashaira and to "hold onto the rope of Allah swt all together". Anyone who doesn't want to do that, then may Allah swt guide them. We obey Allah swt and his messenger saw. Any disagreements should be taken back to Allah swt (Quran) and his messenger (Sunnah). This should ultimately be done by ulema. You have done a fantastic job informing people of the crimes the shia have committed to the sunnis and educated people previously ignorant of these matters and united them with us. I fear these kind of discussions will take away from that good for a lesser benefit that may encourage cultist debates over who's right and wrong on a matter that at this point is not as important as the people of sunnah uniting against external enemies. May Allah swt preserve you, and I thank you for your kind words. Keep up the good work for the sake of Allah swt. May Allah swt protect us all from the calamities of this life and the next insha'allah.
@@n.a.1397 1200 years 200 years Doesn't matter it's all not from the time of the Messenger ﷺ and anything that originates in these later times is falsehood and innovation so good thing that I see myself as a muslim who follows the path of the first generations and not wahabi.
We hope you can find it within yourself to overlook his shortcomings in astronomy given his monumental contributions to humanity in the fields of rational, speculative and scholastic theology.
@@A.--.that’s an orientalist view of Ghazali which has been totally debunked. In refuting the philosophers, Ghazali did not kill philosophy or science, he contained it within the bounds of religion. That’s orientalist crap!
Imagine being an Ash'ari and thinking you're from the saved sect while your sect is literally the name of the man who invented it (Abu Hasan Al-Ash'ari) and then repented from it before he died 😂🤦🏼♂️
What ascends and doesn’t ascend? What has a يد and doesn’t at the same time? Nothing. You are going down a rabbit hole and where you will arrive is worse than the mutazilah
This is a link to the shieks channel for whoever wants to learn more about the Ashari position on issues of aqeedah
ruclips.net/video/MkFRi0RjkII/видео.htmlsi=05BMPjoxHke3YHFC
below is the time stamp
00:00 Introduction
3:00 how did the Ashari/Athari issue start
10:00 Do asharis deny the attributes of Allah
20:00 Do Asharis believe that Allah acts with wisdom
33:00 Do you agree with the Hanbali Mathhab
53:00 Can there be unity between asharis and Salafis
1:00:00 Final message
@classicalislam why did you delete your video and reupload it was there a technical issue
I don't like haroon behaviour online. He exposes private chats publicly. Putting brothers in harm.
@@issalaouzi2009 I wasn’t happy with the intro, so i re-edited the intro and then reposted
@@classicalislam can we be friends brother
@@issalaouzi2009 ah, yes we can my brother.
Excellent content brother, more people need to see this, Truth is in the depth and it distinguishes itself from weak sophisms of the literalists.
Beautiful final message. May Allah preserve both of you, great work and awareness.
@@zeeshanahmed5624 Allah reward you greatly for the dua. Ameen
Putting the attributes of Allah aside, Haroon Kanj is a call to major shirk as he believes in the permissibility of istighatha to other than Allah such as calling upon the saints for help and the dead in their grave.
If you believe that anyone but Allah can help then dua in general irrespective of tawasul or istigatha become shirk. Go back to the asl
According to your prophets Ibn Taymiyyah and Abdul Wahhab
@@alfaqiir butt hurt much? 😂
@@youragronk6208I don’t make du’a to anyone except Allah, however he has a a point, no one said it’s shirk except for MIAW and Ibn Taymiyyah
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That is not true, The Mutazila said it's shirk way before these individuals you mentioned, for example here is a text from the 9th century of a mutazilite Scholar:
Shirk, as an intricate concept, not only involves manifest acts of association but also encompasses subtleties of belief and disposition. It is equally possible to commit shirk through the excess veneration of pious individuals, equating them to the status of Allāh or seeking help from them in matters exclusively within the divine domain (al-Jahiz, al-Bayan wa-al-Tabyin).
1hour podcast 😍.. Will watch in segments during mealtimes and comment my thoughts at the end if necessary
Praise be to Allah.
These people who interpret the Qur’aan in this manner, whether they are called Ash’aris or some other name, have gone astray from the path of the righteous salaf. Not even one letter of what these people say in their misinterpretations has been narrated from the righteous salaf. Let them bring one word from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or from Abu Bakr, or ‘Umar, or ‘Uthmaan, or ‘Ali, to say that they interpreted Allaah’s hand as meaning His power, or that they interpreted His being above the Throne (istiwaa’) as referring to His Sovereignty, or that they interpreted His Face as meaning reward, or that they interpreted His love as meaning reward, etc. Let them produce one word from them to show that they interpreted these aayahs and similar verses in the manner that these people interpret them. If they cannot produce any such thing, let it be said that either the righteous salaf, headed by the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), the leader of the pious, were unaware of the meaning of this tremendous ‘aqeedah (of Islam), or they did know it but they concealed the truth. But neither of these can be said of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or of any of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs, or of his Companions (may Allaah be pleased with them). If that is the case then we have to follow their path (the path of the Prophet and the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs).
My advice to these people is to fear Allaah and to abandon what So and so said, and to come back to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and the way of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs who came after him. They should know that there will come a Day when they will return to Allaah, when they will not be able to use the opinion of So and so as evidence. By Allaah, So and so will not be able to help them on that Day. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And (remember) the Day (Allaah) will call to them, and say: ‘What answer gave you to the Messengers?’”
[al-Qasas 28:65]
All my shuyukh were followers of the athari school, whether they were Maliki, Hanafi or Hanbali. None of them advocated any form of polemics against the Asha'ira and Maturidiyya. Rather, they taught us that the 3 schools are all part of ahl al sunnah and stressed the need for unity. These influencers of today creating animosity do not resemble in any way, shape or form the character and teachings of the shuyukh we studied with.
True. It’s a 1000+ year old debate on methodology. Both agreed there’s nothing like Allah. Both agreed Allah is transcendental. Both agreed everything is decreed by Allah at the same time we are responsible for our choices. Time to move on.
It’s not necessarily the opinions of the different scholars that cause sectarianism, it’s separating oneself from the Jama’ah that causes it. Many sectarians have false belief, but the majority in 2024 are the ones who cause division regardless of opinions. If you separate yourself from a Muslim because you’re a Hanafi and he’s Shafi in fiqhi opinions, you’re a sectarian even though both scholars were on truth. Muslims are a single body. There would never be a need for a mujadid if we didn’t need guidance from a scholar or an imam every so often.
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Praise be to Allah.
These people who interpret the Qur’aan in this manner, whether they are called Ash’aris or some other name, have gone astray from the path of the righteous salaf. Not even one letter of what these people say in their misinterpretations has been narrated from the righteous salaf. Let them bring one word from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or from Abu Bakr, or ‘Umar, or ‘Uthmaan, or ‘Ali, to say that they interpreted Allaah’s hand as meaning His power, or that they interpreted His being above the Throne (istiwaa’) as referring to His Sovereignty, or that they interpreted His Face as meaning reward, or that they interpreted His love as meaning reward, etc. Let them produce one word from them to show that they interpreted these aayahs and similar verses in the manner that these people interpret them. If they cannot produce any such thing, let it be said that either the righteous salaf, headed by the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), the leader of the pious, were unaware of the meaning of this tremendous ‘aqeedah (of Islam), or they did know it but they concealed the truth. But neither of these can be said of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or of any of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs, or of his Companions (may Allaah be pleased with them). If that is the case then we have to follow their path (the path of the Prophet and the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs).
My advice to these people is to fear Allaah and to abandon what So and so said, and to come back to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and the way of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs who came after him. They should know that there will come a Day when they will return to Allaah, when they will not be able to use the opinion of So and so as evidence. By Allaah, So and so will not be able to help them on that Day. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And (remember) the Day (Allaah) will call to them, and say: ‘What answer gave you to the Messengers?’”
[al-Qasas 28:65]
Amazing brother, we are leveling up Mashallah, may Allah preserve you
@@saadm5732 Ameen, May Allah bless you.
Very fruitful and beautiful conversation, jazak Allahu Khayran
@@DawahTrucker2024 waiyyaakum
I’m very simple. Allah is All Knowing and above His throne. This dunya is like a ring in the desert compared to the vastness of the lowest heaven.
Allah exists now as Allah existed before creating any of the creations, and all of the attributes of Allah are Eternal without a beginning and Everlasting without an ending. Before there was a throne or directions, Allah existed. After creating the throne and the places and directions, Allah did not CHANGE or become in need of any of the creations!! Allah is not in need of any of the creations.
If you believe that Allah is above something by direction, then you have likened Allah to the creations by attributing Change to Allah. You have attributed neediness to Allah and this is blasphemy!!!
Salam Sheikh. I was getting worried you havenet uploaded in a few days. Glad to see you.
@mrsulaiman19, Waalaykassallaam my brother, I appreciate the concern, Allah reward you. I’m not a full time streamer;When I am free, I try to take advantage of that.
Weird comment.
@classicalislam don't stress yourself out. Jazak Allahu kheir
@@lost_poet_ the brother meant it out of concern. I was just trying to give a picture of my life and what I do. Jzk
Personally if anyone is honest only the Ashaira Wal Maturidiya are the standard of ahlus sunnah Wal jamah and some of the fudala of Hanabila who did not go into extreme litralism. The salafis are more modern and linked to the najdi dawah. The vast majority of the Ummah for 1200 years have been ashari Wal maturidi. This is why the early salaf criticised muqatil bin sulaiman and the salafis try and defend him this should be alarming.
Nicely said. أحسنت بارك الله فيك ونفع الله بك
Asharis are more honest
What is honest
Sahabah weren't ashari nor maturudi. If anything sahabah and 4 Imams were close to atari understanding
Stop
Whitewashing history bro - just because you said it, doesn’t make it true.
Thank you habibi.
Great discussion
@realitycheck816, Jzk my brother.
The irony that the ashari Creed was formed by a man that grew up in the household of the leader of the mutazalites, was upon it for 40 years suddenly became the imam of Ahlul sunnah is nuts.
@@wasbailed Most of the Sahaba were all kuffar, some the greatest enemies of Islam, yet, they became the greatest humans that have ever lived.
They are the best generation may Allah be pleased with them. But only the messenger of Allah PBUH is infallible
@wasbailed, no one is arguing that scholars are fallible, they have great benefits for the ummah and some made mistakes.
@@classicalislam bro it's fallible not infallible...
He became the one who destroyed the ideology of the mutazila plus the companions were all
Kuffar and then suddenly became the best of creation behind the prophets
MasaALlah pure logical explanation of tha aqidadh of Ahul sunnah
@classicalislam brother i am really positively surprised by this video and you attitude mashallah, very wise, respectful, brotherly, professional and sincere, thank you brother for this much needed show of example of how we should get along.
@@dpireader32 Allah reward you for the support and kinds words my brother.
The simple fact that the timeline of this particular creed starts at Abu Hasan al-Ash'ari tells you that it was not the creed of the Sahabah, unless someone is bold enough to say the Prophet and Sahabah were Asharis....
Athari’s were known as Hanbalis (named after Imam Ahmad) historically so we can say the same for them with your logic.
@Alakhana problem is "Hanbalis" is a name you came up with. Salafis the more correct term are the Muslims who are upon what the sahabah were upon
@Alakhana LOL you have 0 logic. Atharis/Ahlul Hadith mean people who stick to the Athars people who stick to the Ahadith. If you look at what the beliefs of the Asha'ira are now you can not claim the Messenger Of Allah ﷺ was Ashari or neither the Sahaba. You really think they were upon an incorrect creed until Abu'l Hassan Al Ashari arrived centuries later. Authubillah. Asharis and Maturidis are not Ahlul Sunnah and the 4 Imams were upon the Athari creed and understanding like us Alhamdulilah
@AbuYusuf-fz5bt Ibn Taymiyyah literally refers to Athari’s as “Hanbali”, it’s well know that Athari’s were known to be Hanbali in Creed. So are you going to claim the Sahaba were Hanbali ?
And the creed of Imam Abu Hanifa and his students is apparent, look at books like Fiqh Al Akbar and Aqeedah Al Tahawiyyah which negate place,direction and body for Allah.
@AbuYusuf-fz5bt also if you believe that Ashari’s and Maturidis are not Ahlus Sunnah (according to Ibn Taymiyyah they are) then do you believe that the majority of Hanafi,Maliki and Shafi’i scholars were not Sunni and Hanbalis like Ibn Jawzi and Ibn Aqil weren’t Sunni ?
I wanted to add, the whole saved sect part of the hadith mentioned about the 73 sects, this part of the hadith is not authentic, neither is the part in another wording of the same hadith that all off them in jannah except one.
So all of them in hell except one and all off them except one are not authentic parts of the hadith, but we see the salafiyah an every sect use this hadith to claim they are upon the haqq.
Even though Allah subhanahu wa taala already told us thoroughly about the traits of the believers in the quran.
@@mamadoufarissou7312 I have heard that a few times about that Hadith, but I have never researched it. Jzk, I will look into it inshallah
@@classicalislam no problem my brother, look what ibn hazm and ashawkani rahimahuma Allah said about this part of that hadith.
Imām al-Barbahārī (rahimahullāh, died 329 AH) stated:
“Know that Allah’s Messenger (salallāhu ‘alaihi wasallam) said:
“My ummah will divide into 73 sects, all of them will be in the Fire except for one…”
This narration is authentic when its various chains and wordings are gathered together. The scholars have reported it and praised its authenticity; and the reality of the ummah further proves it's truthfulness
@@youragronk6208
and? The Anthropomorphist Albarbahari mentioned it without any Isnad.
The zyadah Is still weak in the matters of the chain of narration and matn.
How beautiful is our deen! I personally consider both the Sunni Ash'aris/Maturidis/Atharis & the Salafis as Muslims. The difference in the Aqidah and the Manhaj needs to be discussed without any animosity or hostility or be totally left alone. But there should be no speculation. Imam Ahmad's position is my personal pick.
Salam alaykum sheik where can I go to see your lectures in real life. I live in Sydney. Jazzakallah
@ jazzakallah sheik
People who doubt the wisdom or purpose of creation dont say that evil doesn't have wisdom, they argue that what is the overall net effect of it all. If there was no creation, there would be no evil or disobedience. So some wisdom we will never know with our limited knowledge and experience.
Jazak Allahu khair
Mashallah 2 of my fav personalities right now. ❤ from Singapore
@Reza.El-Fatih, Allah reward you my brother
@@classicalislam May Allah bless u with more hbb and keep doing good works for the benefit of the ummah.
I had to pause the video at around the 19-minute mark to ask a question about the ambiguous verses and those who seek a clear understanding of them. If individuals are indeed searching for the precise meaning of these verses, wouldn't they realize that these verses pertain to them? Wouldn't that awareness lead them to reconsider their pursuit of clarification, since Allah (SWT) is addressing them directly?
Praise be to Allah.
These people who interpret the Qur’aan in this manner, whether they are called Ash’aris or some other name, have gone astray from the path of the righteous salaf. Not even one letter of what these people say in their misinterpretations has been narrated from the righteous salaf. Let them bring one word from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or from Abu Bakr, or ‘Umar, or ‘Uthmaan, or ‘Ali, to say that they interpreted Allaah’s hand as meaning His power, or that they interpreted His being above the Throne (istiwaa’) as referring to His Sovereignty, or that they interpreted His Face as meaning reward, or that they interpreted His love as meaning reward, etc. Let them produce one word from them to show that they interpreted these aayahs and similar verses in the manner that these people interpret them. If they cannot produce any such thing, let it be said that either the righteous salaf, headed by the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), the leader of the pious, were unaware of the meaning of this tremendous ‘aqeedah (of Islam), or they did know it but they concealed the truth. But neither of these can be said of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or of any of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs, or of his Companions (may Allaah be pleased with them). If that is the case then we have to follow their path (the path of the Prophet and the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs).
My advice to these people is to fear Allaah and to abandon what So and so said, and to come back to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and the way of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs who came after him. They should know that there will come a Day when they will return to Allaah, when they will not be able to use the opinion of So and so as evidence. By Allaah, So and so will not be able to help them on that Day. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And (remember) the Day (Allaah) will call to them, and say: ‘What answer gave you to the Messengers?’”
[al-Qasas 28:65]
Will there be more of these podcasts in the future or was this a one off?
@@lost_poet_ yes inshallah, there will be, I plan on speaking to a salafi shiek as well inshallah to be fair and balanced
Its ALWAYS the last 3rd of the might somewhere on earth in any given time
Do no compare Allah to the creation than you will understand these texts
@aaminissa5392 i can understand the text by simoly applying Quantum Mechanics thank you very much
@@ABC-wi6vt i can make it understandable without contradictions
@@A.--. may Allah bless you brother
I still don't understand what these sects are about.
I embraced Islam in 2002 and I still don’t understand either. Alhumdulillah, I just keep all my hope in Allah’s Mercy and ask Allah to guide me to what pleases Him and beg Him to forgive my transgressions.
Praise be to Allah.
These people who interpret the Qur’aan in this manner, whether they are called Ash’aris or some other name, have gone astray from the path of the righteous salaf. Not even one letter of what these people say in their misinterpretations has been narrated from the righteous salaf. Let them bring one word from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or from Abu Bakr, or ‘Umar, or ‘Uthmaan, or ‘Ali, to say that they interpreted Allaah’s hand as meaning His power, or that they interpreted His being above the Throne (istiwaa’) as referring to His Sovereignty, or that they interpreted His Face as meaning reward, or that they interpreted His love as meaning reward, etc. Let them produce one word from them to show that they interpreted these aayahs and similar verses in the manner that these people interpret them. If they cannot produce any such thing, let it be said that either the righteous salaf, headed by the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), the leader of the pious, were unaware of the meaning of this tremendous ‘aqeedah (of Islam), or they did know it but they concealed the truth. But neither of these can be said of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or of any of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs, or of his Companions (may Allaah be pleased with them). If that is the case then we have to follow their path (the path of the Prophet and the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs).
My advice to these people is to fear Allaah and to abandon what So and so said, and to come back to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and the way of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs who came after him. They should know that there will come a Day when they will return to Allaah, when they will not be able to use the opinion of So and so as evidence. By Allaah, So and so will not be able to help them on that Day. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And (remember) the Day (Allaah) will call to them, and say: ‘What answer gave you to the Messengers?’”
[al-Qasas 28:65]
Regarding takfeer of ullemah i remind you that the prophet did takfeer of some ullema just reas the hadeeth of 1st 3 to enter hell.
Lol
This is an error on your part, The Mutazila do not say that Allah is bound to be just by the demand/design or wish of something, they say he is bound to be just because he prescibed upon himself Justice and mercy, and prohibited upon himself opression and injustice.
Mu'tazalites do not believe that reason and justice are 'above' Allah, nor that Allah's Will is 'bound' by higher laws of justice and ethics. Rather unlike you they Believe that Allah SWT is consistent with His own attributes of compassion, wisdom, goodness and justice. That is, Allah's decisions, are consistent and coherent with the attributes of His own Being. So because His Being is purely compassionate, wise, good and just; it follows that His actions will also be.
So we are against Hindus, Christians and Shi'a. But we are with people who the majority of whom think God is amoral. Inshallah makes sense
@@thispodcastisnotimportant6667 what makes sense is that those that continue to lie and misrepresent parts of the ummah for the sake of continued division in the ummah of Muhammad SAS, will be left behind and forgotten. The ummah is dealing with much greater issues, the blood of the Muslims is being shed in the hundreds of thousands. Who believes that God SWT is amoral.
Masterclass session.
I hope our brothers and sisters take away the overall message, i.e there are greater concerns facing us as an Ummah at this particular moment in time which take priority and demand unity.
Leave the discussion to those scholarly persons which are well versed and if you can't at least leave it till a time of luxury.
@@Abd.Al-Malik Allah reward you my brother, I’m glad you enjoyed it.
Praise be to Allah.
These people who interpret the Qur’aan in this manner, whether they are called Ash’aris or some other name, have gone astray from the path of the righteous salaf. Not even one letter of what these people say in their misinterpretations has been narrated from the righteous salaf. Let them bring one word from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or from Abu Bakr, or ‘Umar, or ‘Uthmaan, or ‘Ali, to say that they interpreted Allaah’s hand as meaning His power, or that they interpreted His being above the Throne (istiwaa’) as referring to His Sovereignty, or that they interpreted His Face as meaning reward, or that they interpreted His love as meaning reward, etc. Let them produce one word from them to show that they interpreted these aayahs and similar verses in the manner that these people interpret them. If they cannot produce any such thing, let it be said that either the righteous salaf, headed by the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), the leader of the pious, were unaware of the meaning of this tremendous ‘aqeedah (of Islam), or they did know it but they concealed the truth. But neither of these can be said of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or of any of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs, or of his Companions (may Allaah be pleased with them). If that is the case then we have to follow their path (the path of the Prophet and the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs).
My advice to these people is to fear Allaah and to abandon what So and so said, and to come back to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and the way of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs who came after him. They should know that there will come a Day when they will return to Allaah, when they will not be able to use the opinion of So and so as evidence. By Allaah, So and so will not be able to help them on that Day. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And (remember) the Day (Allaah) will call to them, and say: ‘What answer gave you to the Messengers?’”
[al-Qasas 28:65]
@@Abdullah-c1j2t
Alhamdulillah,
For your information brother; I don't concern myself with these detailed discussions.
My focus is on the fundamentals and the realization that I will be held accountable for my actions, i.e adherance to the Halal and Haraam, and that what has been ascribed upon my soul in terms of obligations, striving to attain the Good Pleasure of Allah swt.
With that in mind I do not delve into theoretical philosophies or discussions, rather focus on the practical application that the Aqeedah demands.
The Adress of the Legislator holds us responsible for acting upon it and striving to change that which is in contradiction with it.
So jazakallahukhairan for your comment, yet this is my take.
Sheikh, I have some constructive criticism: please avoid using verbal nods while the guest is speaking, as it can be somewhat distracting. Jazakhallah ❤️ Edit : It seems that the microphone didn't pick up your audio clearly, as the volume is a bit low. For future videos, please consider adjusting the settings to enhance the sound quality.
@@lost_poet_ 🤣🤣🤣. I was hoping no-one would notice my continued verbal nods, I was cringing listening to it. It’s my first podcast, so inshallah, there was a lot to learn from it. Jzk.
@@classicalislam hahaha .we forgive you on this occasion.😁
21:25 No you are necessitating that we as Ahlus Sunnah are doing that. You are insisting that the affirmation of the literal meaning MUST be an attempt to make Allah like His creation.
It’s simple and it’s where the salaf obviously stopped.
ليس كمثله شي ولم يكن له كفوا أحد
39:05.. What does tafweed and shuhr mean?
@@lost_poet_ tafweed means that you leave the meaning to Allah and the how to Allah; as opposed to affirming a literal hand, but then saying we don’t know how Allah’s hand is. I don’t understand what you mean by shuhr.
It's not the time to talk about these topics. It's time to prepare to liberate our lands. Other talks are distractions. The best side is who sends more men and technology to defend our lands.
Yes, the Atharis are either sunni (Mufawwiḍah) or mujassimah (ahlal biddah). Asharis and Maturidhis have tafweed as well, and in some aspects taweel. I'm not sure what the issue is.
I am Irish and was brought up Catholic. I am now agnostic and follow No religion and have no desire to do so. In ireland i witnessed religious bigotry on both sides---- Catholic and Protestant.
I am quite amazed at the religious bigotry that exists in Islam. It claims to be the one true religion.
Why so much bigotry?
@charlievaughan1308 human beings are not angels and they will always commit errors and mistakes; but Islam focus on brotherhood and unity, that’s why you will see Muslims always come together on causes for other Muslims regardless of differences between them; you don’t see the same from other religions
@classicalislam Are you sure about that. How really is the Muslim Ummah care for the unfortunate Palwstinians who are suffering so much?
i remember listening to this yesterday(i think) then suddenly it was deleted. hehe.
If your claiming Shams is getting exposed then one could claim the same thing about Gazans that Allah has finally exposed Hamaz and Hamaz sympathizers.
This type of connecting dots doesn't make sense.
Salahuddin Al-Ayyubi رحمه الله was asked: Why do you fight the Shiites in Egypt (Fatimids) and leave the Crusaders in Jerusalem?
He answered: "I will not fight the Crusaders (in Palestine) while my back is exposed to the Shias."
Ahlul Sunnah will liberate Palestine, we who respects all the Sahabas (ra). Turkiye, KSA, all Gulf States & all Sunni Muslims of South East Asia will see to it that Syria will stay a Home of a strong Ahlul Sunnah & Ahlul Hadith. 🤝✊️🇵🇸🍉
ALL deviations can be traced to violation of eother 3:7 or 17:36
Allah can do whatever He wants but He has decided to be loving and just. Once that decision was made. allah cannot contradict it.
Allah forbids oppression for Himself.
Praise be to Allah.
These people who interpret the Qur’aan in this manner, whether they are called Ash’aris or some other name, have gone astray from the path of the righteous salaf. Not even one letter of what these people say in their misinterpretations has been narrated from the righteous salaf. Let them bring one word from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or from Abu Bakr, or ‘Umar, or ‘Uthmaan, or ‘Ali, to say that they interpreted Allaah’s hand as meaning His power, or that they interpreted His being above the Throne (istiwaa’) as referring to His Sovereignty, or that they interpreted His Face as meaning reward, or that they interpreted His love as meaning reward, etc. Let them produce one word from them to show that they interpreted these aayahs and similar verses in the manner that these people interpret them. If they cannot produce any such thing, let it be said that either the righteous salaf, headed by the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), the leader of the pious, were unaware of the meaning of this tremendous ‘aqeedah (of Islam), or they did know it but they concealed the truth. But neither of these can be said of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or of any of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs, or of his Companions (may Allaah be pleased with them). If that is the case then we have to follow their path (the path of the Prophet and the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs).
My advice to these people is to fear Allaah and to abandon what So and so said, and to come back to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and the way of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs who came after him. They should know that there will come a Day when they will return to Allaah, when they will not be able to use the opinion of So and so as evidence. By Allaah, So and so will not be able to help them on that Day. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And (remember) the Day (Allaah) will call to them, and say: ‘What answer gave you to the Messengers?’”
[al-Qasas 28:65]
Najdi. Petrodollar. You're not Ahlus Sunnah. You're Albani and Uthameen follower.
Let’s hope the salafi brothers watch this whole podcast with an open mind and try to understand it.
Praise be to Allah.
These people who interpret the Qur’aan in this manner, whether they are called Ash’aris or some other name, have gone astray from the path of the righteous salaf. Not even one letter of what these people say in their misinterpretations has been narrated from the righteous salaf. Let them bring one word from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or from Abu Bakr, or ‘Umar, or ‘Uthmaan, or ‘Ali, to say that they interpreted Allaah’s hand as meaning His power, or that they interpreted His being above the Throne (istiwaa’) as referring to His Sovereignty, or that they interpreted His Face as meaning reward, or that they interpreted His love as meaning reward, etc. Let them produce one word from them to show that they interpreted these aayahs and similar verses in the manner that these people interpret them. If they cannot produce any such thing, let it be said that either the righteous salaf, headed by the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), the leader of the pious, were unaware of the meaning of this tremendous ‘aqeedah (of Islam), or they did know it but they concealed the truth. But neither of these can be said of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or of any of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs, or of his Companions (may Allaah be pleased with them). If that is the case then we have to follow their path (the path of the Prophet and the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs).
My advice to these people is to fear Allaah and to abandon what So and so said, and to come back to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and the way of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefahs who came after him. They should know that there will come a Day when they will return to Allaah, when they will not be able to use the opinion of So and so as evidence. By Allaah, So and so will not be able to help them on that Day. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And (remember) the Day (Allaah) will call to them, and say: ‘What answer gave you to the Messengers?’”
[al-Qasas 28:65]
As a salafi I watched it. Most of the time was spent discussing what something isn't, without showing us what their stance is (possibly to avoid embarrassment)
@@youragronk6208 he explained it. Allah is transcendent and we affirm the attributes without kayf. Simple.
@@Kalam18595 We affirm the literal meaning of those attributes while leaving the true nature (kayf) of those attributes to Allah.
May Allah bless the Salafi Manhaj.
Maybe if everyone exposes mistakes of their own scholars instead of flexing 💪 them on others (by claiming they are Awlia) then we will be united on EVIDENCE!
Evidence Unites, Opinions Divide!
Wow! Its truly disappointing how you even gave this guy a platform in front of your audience. The salaf would not take a letter from Ahlul bidah and you do a 1 hour+ podcast with a full blown mubtadi’
الله المستعان
What is your definition of bid'ah?
20:30 if you don't mind me asking brother, was it my video? Because I actually made a video explaining this point 👍
@@africandawahrevival yes, it was. 🤣🤣. Mashallah, you are actually one of the most intelligent brothers I have heard speaking about this issue. Your channel deserves a much larger following.
@@classicalislam Jazakumullah Khair brother, I am honoured by this and you brought a good person on the channel, Sh Haroon is knowledgeable and always complements my videos whenever he could. Keep it up, we need more channels like yours.
@@africandawahrevival waiyyaakum
These issues of sectors are to separate us ,sunni ,salafi,shia etc the prophet wasnt non of those he was a Muslim period stop this nosense, i will never reffer to my self to any sector can some one tell me if that will take to hell, i belive in Allah and dat Prophet Muhammad is his messager full stop ,no stupid sectors
The question is who is trying to follow the prophet and the companions way, and who try to follow some men and name themselves after them
Why can you say Radiyallah Anhu on later generation scholars but not on hazrat Hussain RA??
We do. In fact, we Ahl al- Sunnah (Ashairah, al Maaturidiyyah and the fudalaa of Hanabilah) we say alaihim al salaam to the Ahl-al -Bayt (alaihimussalaam). ❤
@shmelloz i know we do but the host didn't do it. He hesitated and moved on when he said Hissan.
Probably accidental. I have no doubt he loves Allah, his messenger and his family.
@@A.--. it was not intentional
hadith does not talk about 74 sects
Day Dia Diaty...there where 365 idols around the kabbah....one for each day... infront of each idol is a fire 🔥 know as a Dia..
Day Dia Diaty all same word
Motalizila are correct beacuse if God says he is ALL Just and his love is more than any mom then it is logical to say it is wajib on Allah to be just.
The one who believes that Allah is obligated to do anything is a blasphemer!! Allah is not in need of any of the creations.
@@jamielsaddiq9692
Blasphemous would be if it is said that He is bound to be just by the wish/demand/ design of his creation. That is not what The Mutazila say. They say he is bound to be Just because HE prescribed upon HIMSELF mercy and justice and prohibited for HIMSELF Injustice.
@@jamielsaddiq9692
Blasphemous would be if it is said that He is bound to be just by the wish/demand of his creation. That is not what The Mutazila say. They say he is bound to be Just because HE prescribed upon HIMSELF mercy and justice and prohibited HIMSELF from Injustice. And you know that Allah SWT does not transgress his rule, and you know that he does not break his promise and that he is truthfull in what he conveys.
The Mutazila do not say that Allah swt is bound to be just by the wish/demand/ design of his creation.They say he is bound to be Just because HE prescribed upon HIMSELF mercy and justice and prohibited HIMSELF from Injustice. It is NOT because it has been made obligtory to him. The Mu'tazalites do not believe that reason and justice are 'above' God, nor that God's Will is 'bound' by higher laws of justice and ethics. Rather, the Mu'tazalites belief that Allah is consistent with His own attributes of compassion, wisdom, goodness and justice. That is, God's decisions, His guidance and His will, all must be consistent and coherent with the attributes of His own Being. So because His Being is purely compassionate, wise, good and just; it follows that His actions will also be.
@@jamielsaddiq9692
This is an error on your part, The Mutazila do not say that Allah is bound to be just by the demand/design or wish of something, they say he is bound to be just because he prescibed upon himself Justice and mercy, and prohibited upon himself opression and injustice.
Mu'tazalites do not believe that reason and justice are 'above' Allah, nor that Allah's Will is 'bound' by higher laws of justice and ethics. Rather unlike you they Believe that Allah SWT is consistent with His own attributes of compassion, wisdom, goodness and justice. That is, Allah's decisions are consistent and coherent with the attributes of His own Being. So because His Being is purely compassionate, wise, good and just it follows that His actions will also be.
Salam for the record the work by the salafee movement a translation of the works of imam albanee. The fundementals of the salafee methodology which can be downloaded from the salafee websites. Their scholars in that work confirm that ibn qudama al maqdisi was upon tafweed. They say its the worst of methodology but at the same time that the Imam was an Imam of the sunnah lol. Go figure 😁.
Asalam aleikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatu
@@hi-wiegehts8871 Waalaykassallaam
They forgot Allah, so He forgot them
So, how foes a Salafi read this and many other similar verses
We should take and reject from everyone except prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.)...
Hey my brother I like your work , but its video! Not vidjoe !
@@jimmyideal6496 thanks for the feedback, but can you prove I say vidjoe
Who are the salaf lol they fought each other
ikr! In the little salafites mind, they were a Utopic society and they were the best we could ever hope to achieve but in reality they were in one of the most unstable eras of Islam.
Those who follow the As-Salaf us-Salih. Refers to the first and best three generations of Muslims. They are the Companions (Sahabah) of the Prophet ﷺ, their immediate followers (Tabiun), and the followers of the Tabi'in.
@@WardaAafia We know. But they did fight each other. There were also rebellions and assassinations, fitnah and killing between them...
Whats wrong with saying the Quran is created?
It’s kufr the Quran is the speech of Allah and therefore cannot be created because Allah is not created
First thing wrong with that is that is not true
@@Alhamdulila786 Exactly. Then, came these people like Al-Juwayni, Al-Bajuri, Fakhruddin Al-Razi, Ramadan Al-Buti, these scholars of the Asha’irah saying the Quran that we recite is created.
The Quran is an attribute of Allah so to claim the Quran is created is saying that at one point Allah was without that attribute and that would be a sign of imperfection for Allah and this is impossible.
@@Muhammad_Nuruddinour voice and the letters we pronounce are created. This is what they mean when they say their recital of the Quran is created. Not that the Quran itself is created.
Whoever don't know what Jerusalem means is brainwashed.
Before you become religious please become nice
I disagree
Its ironic that you follow the creed named after a man who had a mu'tazili upbringing and spent much of his life as a mu'tazili...this whole thing is dishonest
@@XiangnuKhaan I don’t know what creed you are talking about?I’m a Muslim and believe in Islam and its pillars of eman.
@classicalislam sorry akhi I meant to reply to someone in the comments not you, it was a mistake on my part, ignore my comment.
Assalamualikum. The issue with what the sheikh is saying is contradictory. One one side, he has problems with literalism but then he says why Salafis are adding their words when taking about Allah. And if you think about it, asharis are the ones that delve more into interpretation than Atharis. That’s why the safe position is to believe everything as Allah revealed it without adding words. The second issue is with Muhkamat vs Mutashabihat. How would you identify which is which. One Ayat that you consider mutashabeh might be muhkam for others. Do As‘aris have any objective way to distinguish between the two? No. So, again Athari position seems to he correct
no such thing taqiyah pokerbluff
Brother i enjoy your videos and i love you for the sake of Allah swt. May Allah swt reward you, forgive your sins and enter you into jannah insha'allah. Please brother avoid these kind of discussion. There is no benefit in it. Whats the point? Walahi serious question??? We hear and we obey. How Allah operates is beyond our small tiny minds. Early on in the converstaion the brother mentioned what Allah swt says about himself we affirm anything else we leave. That is where the conversation should have ended. You refute jake he will refute you back another person will make a video of this refuting you. Whats the point? Your videos supporting the muslims who are oppressed are of far greater importance than refutations of non scholars. May Allah swt reward you and preserve you my brother. May Allah swt bless this ummah forgive us and make we all meet in jannah by Allah swt's mercy insha'allah. Allahu akbar.
@@abdisaeed6883 Jzk for the advice my brother, this was not made as a refutation of any individual. I try and deal with issues that I think are important on my channel. The Ashari/athari discussion is a major discussion that continues online and much division is caused through this issue. So I want to speak to Shieks that can explain their positions to the audience instead of the audience listening to the lies that are spread. The intention is to spread awareness and ultimately overcome the division of these issues and unite the ummah to deal with the bigger issues that threaten Islam and Muslims. My intention is not to make continuous refutations with individuals on this issue. I also love you for the sake of Allah my brother, Allah reward you for the advice.
@classicalislam Walahi brother, I don't question your intentions. I view you to be a very sincere brother who is courageous in enjoining the good and forbidding the evil masha'allah. May Allah swt weigh your good deeds heavy on the scales. Unfortunately, though, we live in the era of social media cults. Look at the followers of Daniel Hagigatou. It doesn't matter what evidence you provide to them they follow him blindly. Your fans will follow you, and whoever dislikes the ashaira will follow the people who dislike them. In this era of information, there is no excuse not to learn the truth of the matter. Ultimately Allah swt tell us to call ourselves "muslims" not athari or ashaira and to "hold onto the rope of Allah swt all together". Anyone who doesn't want to do that, then may Allah swt guide them. We obey Allah swt and his messenger saw. Any disagreements should be taken back to Allah swt (Quran) and his messenger (Sunnah). This should ultimately be done by ulema. You have done a fantastic job informing people of the crimes the shia have committed to the sunnis and educated people previously ignorant of these matters and united them with us. I fear these kind of discussions will take away from that good for a lesser benefit that may encourage cultist debates over who's right and wrong on a matter that at this point is not as important as the people of sunnah uniting against external enemies. May Allah swt preserve you, and I thank you for your kind words. Keep up the good work for the sake of Allah swt. May Allah swt protect us all from the calamities of this life and the next insha'allah.
nice man. classical islam of 200 years later
@@Ibrahim.l20 🤣, good one brother.
@@classicalislam najdiyya Islam of 1200 years later.
Wahabism came later. 1200 years later. You have little to do with the real Salaf.
@@n.a.1397 1200 years 200 years
Doesn't matter it's all not from the time of the Messenger ﷺ and anything that originates in these later times is falsehood and innovation so good thing that I see myself as a muslim who follows the path of the first generations and not wahabi.
@@Ibrahim.l20 Following the teachngs of that time requires isnad, not a silly slogan and reading hadith. You follow modern day salafism.
Al Ghazali thought the dun was inly 30 times bigger than earth
We hope you can find it within yourself to overlook his shortcomings in astronomy given his monumental contributions to humanity in the fields of rational, speculative and scholastic theology.
@shmelloz his misconception of Causality was the biggest fitna to ummah and a huge trigger for their abandonment of science and technology
وما أدراك عن العلة والمعلول. غفر الله لنا ولكم ورحم الله حجة الإسلام رحمة واسعة
@@A.--.that’s an orientalist view of Ghazali which has been totally debunked. In refuting the philosophers, Ghazali did not kill philosophy or science, he contained it within the bounds of religion. That’s orientalist crap!
Dear brother I like alot of your content, but can you please stop constantly replying yea yea yea mm yea.
@@Kenkyoke it’s too late for that my brother, the video is already up. I was annoyed myself when I listened to it. 🤣.
@@classicalislam All good my brother, love the content. Just a quick question Is your guest the sheikh a follower of the Ash'arih creed?
@@Kenkyoke yes he is.
Imagine being an Ash'ari and thinking you're from the saved sect while your sect is literally the name of the man who invented it (Abu Hasan Al-Ash'ari) and then repented from it before he died 😂🤦🏼♂️
What ascends and doesn’t ascend? What has a يد and doesn’t at the same time? Nothing. You are going down a rabbit hole and where you will arrive is worse than the mutazilah
The fact that you sat down and spoke with salafi/aswj hater is mind boggling, unsubscribing asap.
@@joudtobbie7936 🫡. Thanks
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pls RUclips shaykh Sulayman Van Ael
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So simple! 😌
Waste of time to discussing a topic best left to scholars in private…while the house of Islam burns in Gaza